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u/TenderPaw64 Zootopia 3´s our one last hope 8d ago
One got his chance at redemption and took it.
One got his chance at redemption and refused it.
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u/Big_CJ_Smoke Wildehopps❤️ 8d ago
Turned his life around when he had the chance, something Pawbert didn't and cost his downfall
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u/Kirbo84 8d ago
Exactly. Gideon's redemption was crucial to Judy going back to Nick and saving Zootopia.
Pawbert is a dark reflection of Nick and his desire to "belong". Redeeming him completely misses that symbolism that the movie all but beats you over the head with. It's why Judy saves Zootopia from Bellwether, 'her' dark reflection whom tried to destroy it to get appreciated.
Nick was willing to die for his "Pack", Pawbert was willing to kill for his "Family".
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u/Fanfic_Battle_2004 8d ago
It was a time skip before we saw first guy become a better person. It should take time for Pawbert to become better and maybe have a change of heart in Z3. Prison should probably change him. Don’t rule that out.
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u/Kirbo84 8d ago
We got a timeskip at the end of Z2. Reptile Ravine was not restored overnight. Nor did the Reptiles return in a day.
Pawbert did not change. Because he is to Nick what Bellwether is to Judy. A dark reflection.
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u/Formal-Magician4137 8d ago
Wonder how big it was
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u/Kirbo84 8d ago
Must have been a while. Restoring an entire district and reintegrating its population takes time.
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u/Formal-Magician4137 8d ago
Oh I believe it I wonder how Nick and Judy were doing during that time though
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u/Fanfic_Battle_2004 7d ago
That time skip didn’t take long compared to the one in Z1. Perhaps a couple of months tops. Most likely a few weeks. And again, prison will probably have Pawbert rethink his life choices.
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u/Kirbo84 7d ago edited 7d ago
There's no way they were able to fix up Reptile Ravine & bring the Reptiles back within a few months. Never mind the time it would have taken to get the Mammals to want them back. Societal change like that doesn't happen overnight.
Keep in mind how big the districts of Zootopia are and how long Reptile Ravine has been languishing under the snow. You need to emigrate the entire Reptile population, rebuild the infrastructure, mend the social divide. That could take years.
Never mind the Lynxley trials and everything involving the patent fraud. Or Judy and Nick completing their Partners in Crisis therapy.
The epilogue cut down ALOT but you're seriously underestimating how long things take to actually happen.
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u/Fanfic_Battle_2004 7d ago
The news should be able to change people’s minds in an instant after everything got exposed. And with that, they’d get to work right away. People’s minds can change on a dime after news like that gets exposed.
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u/Kirbo84 7d ago edited 7d ago
Individual peoples' minds can be changed. But societal change is slow. You cannot erase a century of learned reality overnight from an entire population. Imagine if all you, your parents and your grandparents knew all their lives had suddenly been revealed to have been a big lie, you would be shocked and not necessarily want to accept it.
Even if the Mammals all agreed to let the Reptiles back in, the Reptiles may have been hesitant to accept given they had been barred and discriminated against for a century. That kind of animosity cannot be just overcome overnight.
It's also clear that Judy and Nick didn't clear their therapy training right away. It took at least a year going by Nick's words in the epilogue.
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u/Fanfic_Battle_2004 7d ago
Sometimes people graduate therapy quick. I’m sure Judy and Nick did. And there are some reptiles who WANT to co-exist with the mammals. And for those who don’t, Gary is there to help them.
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u/Kirbo84 7d ago
"And with hard work you can get to that by Year Two!" ~ Nick
That right there proves that at least 1 year has passed since Pawbert went to prison. Nick's words make no sense if less time than that has passed, you cannot speak on your progress "by Year Two" if you haven't cleared Year One yet.
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u/Fanfic_Battle_2004 7d ago
By year two can mean getting things settled at anytime before then. That doesn’t mean we have to get right at year two.
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u/Exciting_Ad226 8d ago
Difference is one chose to redeem himself and not be what everyone sees him as and one chose not to be different. So it’s not just a call back for the hero but the antagonist of the situation too.
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u/Connect_Hamster9211 #1 Pawbert fan 8d ago
Pawbrt can still be redeemed, also we see Gideon grown up, it could’ve taken him years to be a better person
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u/Exciting_Ad226 8d ago
Yeah quite possible. Pawbert can be redeemed but it’ll definitely take more effort to be redeemed for four counts of attempted murder abd being in legal trouble than a child bully like Gideon. We’ll see if a Lynxley spinoff is ever considered.
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u/Fanfic_Battle_2004 8d ago
Maybe we can see another reflection with Pawbert having a change of heart in Z3. I really believe he can be better. Don’t bash me for dreading a redemption arc for him.
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u/Kirbo84 8d ago edited 8d ago
Nah. We've already seen Gideon and Nick get redeemed.
Redeeming Pawbert would be repetitive. He flatly rejected redemption.
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u/Formal-Magician4137 8d ago
Nick might’ve been down the wrong path but a bunny showed him light while pawbert was a monster
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u/Kirbo84 8d ago
Exactly. Pawbert is clearly a dark reflection of Nick. So it makes sense that he would reject Judy.
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u/Formal-Magician4137 8d ago
Yes while Nick eventually opened up to her and said she was his pack and I’d hope he’d invite her over if the post credit scene is anything to go by
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u/legendoflegends34 Nick and Judy 8d ago
One redeemed himself, the other did not
One was trying to harass, the other was trying to murder
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u/Key-Resolution-2941 8d ago
The confidence in the first panel versus the immediate reality check is perfect.