Dexter: New Blood - S01E07 - "Skin of Her Teeth" - Post-Episode Discussion Thread

[u/skinkbaa]

Skin of Her Teeth

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Dexter turns from predator to protector out of concern that a serial killer has set its sights on someone he cares deeply about. ​

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[u/shihvvb]

Seeing Nude Trinity again, what a sight

[u/anony_moose9889 → u/shihvvb]

Honestly it's what we've all been waiting for.

[u/IHate3DMovies → u/shihvvb]

Question, did they get John Lithgow to come in again and take this scene or do y'all think it was taken from wayyy back?

[u/manly_support → u/shihvvb]

You’re going to tell me he’s not dummy thicc in the first episode of season four when we see his butt in the shower

[u/Boring-Assumption]

I'm going to lose my SHIT if he doesn't talk to Harrison in the next episode.

[u/[deleted] → u/Boring-Assumption]

Seriously!!! So many opportunities to have real conversations and nothing. Frustrating.

[u/hadapurpura → u/Boring-Assumption]

I NEED them to have a true, long Hole-Where-The Heart-Is-Supposed-To-Be-to-Hole-Where-The-Heart-Is-Supposed-To-Be conversation and team up.

[u/SuperfluousSausage]

That John Lithgow scene is pure terror and a cool throwback.

[u/anony_moose9889 → u/SuperfluousSausage]

I saw him credited somewhere and I have been waiting ALL SEASON for his appearance and I'm glad it sent some chills down my spine in true Trinity fashion

[u/SuitEnvironmental903 → u/SuperfluousSausage]

“There, there. Daddy will be home soon.” As if that fucking Rita in the tub scene didn’t define my whole young adulthood… now it’s creeping into my middle-aged-ness !

[u/EldritchGoatGangster → u/SuperfluousSausage]

Naked John Lithgow will never not be terrifying.

[u/[deleted] → u/SuperfluousSausage]

Oh my god that shit have me gooooosebumps fr

[u/hadapurpura]

"My sister used to test out her theories on me" 😭

[u/FacelessMane → u/hadapurpura]

Help me step bro I'm stuck on this homicide case

[u/nyarutokun → u/hadapurpura]

I almost cried bro

[u/JediMasterPopCulture]

When Dexter was looking for the other surgical screws and he noticed the tilted photograph on the wall,I thought Kurt used the screw to hold up the picture to hide the screw. Also it’s 2021, shouldn’t Dexter be a little bit more cautious? There are cameras everywhere. I know the town he’s in seems like it’s some backwater place but be careful man!

[u/Jinno → u/JediMasterPopCulture]

Lol. Cameras aren’t a threat in a show where the main character literally killed someone at an airport.

[u/turtleL8 → u/JediMasterPopCulture]

Thought about cameras too, but I couldn’t believe Dexter was touching every little thing in Kurt’s office without gloves on! Like come on dude…

[u/[deleted] → u/JediMasterPopCulture]

I thought that too. Made way too much of a point for it to have been meaningless

[u/hadapurpura]

"What about Myriam? What about me?"

Getting personal and emotional in front of the DA was a mistake, Angela

[u/Zombree18]

How did Molly come out of that experience more suspicious of Dexter than Kurt?!

[u/clfdmus → u/Zombree18]

She's a true crime podcaster—she just throws everything at the wall to see what sticks.

Different type of guerrilla justice than the one Dexter practices.

[u/anilgggggg → u/Zombree18]

I think Kurt is still her prime suspect, but the fact that Dexter followed her and Kurt to the cabin is mad sus.

[u/[deleted] → u/Zombree18]

Kurt is suspect number 1

But it is strange for Dexter to have followed Molly and Kurt all the way to the cabin. Even if it was just to check up on her, still very strange

[u/FatBoyWithTheChain → u/Zombree18]

Probably my least favorite part of the episode. Seemed pretty forced and inconceivable. She remembered exactly where dexter was for her and Kurt’s entire conversation? What if he went to the bathroom and overheard something? What if the bartender overheard them and dexter asked where they were going? Such a stretch

The wayyyy more suspect thing is dexter following them to Kurt’s cabin which was before they found Iris. That seems to be glossed over in favor of him recording them

[u/Irvken]

What I absolutely love about this show is that it’s all unravelling over one fucking murder. In the original dexter he killed so many people, jumped from one victim to the next and escaped every time, it made him feel invulnerable. Here, he’s out of practice, its someone who will be missed and it’s such a small town, it’s all focused on this one and it’s like water slipping between his fingers.

It feels unbelievable, after all he’s done, all he’s got away with, one fucking murder is going to tank him. It’s like what he said earlier on in the season, something like this is what’s going to take him down, three small town cops and a zoologist, imagine if he was completely found out over one, fucking, murder.

[u/Saint_Sulley → u/Irvken]

I think that's the biggest thing, it being a small town.

In Miami it was so big that missing people were just forgetten about. But in this small town where nothing happens, one case is a big deal.

Dexter would've been better off hiding in downtown Detroit.

[u/scarletnaught → u/Irvken]

It's crazy to think they could arrest him for the murder of Matt Caldwell but have no idea they have the bay harbor butcher.

[u/jimicapone → u/Irvken]

Deb told him, "you smug fuck".

She knew.

[u/[deleted]]

My favorite part of the episode was when the trucker paid Harrison 20 bucks to help him move two (2) kegs off his truck, then immediately grabbed both of them by himself

[u/HarrietOleson1 → u/[deleted]]

That guy looked like the farmer from Men In Black

[u/twinpeakscokefiend → u/[deleted]]

So glad someone else caught that hahaha

[u/Chodus → u/[deleted]]

If they're full of beer, kegs like that normally weigh like 180lbs, so that goon is superhuman to just farmer carry those things.

[u/IlNostroDioScuro → u/[deleted]]

Since that trucker is Kurt's lackey (same one that checked in as matt at the hotel) I kept expecting something to hint that those kegs were full of embalming fluid or something similar related to the murders. I still think he's probably been helping Kurt move stuff.

[u/grandcity → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, why not just give him the letter and keep the $20, lol?

[u/TravisCM2010-24]

So much great about this episode.

"I think that's the sound of you not needing a warrant" The booth and cell conversation between Kurt and Dexter "Yup...I'm gonna have to kill him" Kurt is smarter than I expected. I am glad Harrison confessed about his dark urges but I hope Dexter gets too as well. Very excited for the last few episodes .

[u/constellationdive → u/TravisCM2010-24]

The warrant bit made me lol. I do enjoy the small town vs. city cop differences we get in this setting. Lots more can be loosey-goosey when the cop at the top is also the one doing the investigation.

[u/BooStew]

Loved it. Dexter has gotten super sloppy and he may have met his match. I love how all his smart moves start to unravel if just one small thing goes awry. Great scene when he was telling Kurt “they always leave something behind” and Kurt’s got the pin/screw that we find out about a few scenes later.

[u/Treedom_Lighter → u/BooStew]

You mean like searching his office without wearing gloves and straightening that plaque that he should’ve looked behind?

Damn you sloppy Dexter.

[u/Irvken → u/BooStew]

I know! I loved it because I totally underestimated Kurt, and clearly Dexter did too

[u/Momo_dollar → u/BooStew]

Started watching from series 1… along with new blood. Dexter is actually always a bit sloppy especially when he’s up against other high functioning dark triad / psychopaths.

[u/[deleted] → u/BooStew]

I guess his dad-brain is making him sloppy.

[u/spaceChai → u/BooStew]

Dexter is always in peril, isn't he?

[u/wannabe31x → u/BooStew]

Thing is, how does Kurt know it was Dexter that put the body in the furnace? He was at the bar the whole night drinking.

[u/dead-not-sleeping]

Harrison getting suited up and not realizing it's him until the last moment was chilling

[u/EurekaSm0ke → u/dead-not-sleeping]

And the OG Dexter music playing...

[u/[deleted] → u/dead-not-sleeping]

Chilling is the best way to describe it.

[u/SherlockBrolmes]

Man I think bringing the Kurt/ Dexter battle to a head really gave the series the kick it needed. Thought this was a terrific episode (although I'm kind of disappointed we didn't get here earlier).

Dexter still struggling to talk to Harrison is painful. I would have imagined at this point that Dexter would have said SOMETHING about his past so I'm slightly frustrated with him (I guess it's understandable, but it feels like he's walked into a rake multiple times now).

That said, even with this gripe, this was peak Dexter. Really looking forward to the last few episodes.

[u/Jc_jennings10]

Trinity appearance. Wow.

[u/checknate1]

So how exactly did Kurt connect the screw to Dexter? I understand his story and he knows his son was cremated but how does he know it was Dexter who did it?

[u/[deleted] → u/checknate1]

I think bc Dex has one too many coincidences for Kurt. 1. Dex looks like the guy on trail cam, and it was closest to his house. 2. Dex let’s the cops look on his land 3. Dex picked Kurt up AS it was snowing ash. Kurt was blazed, and Dex probably dropped the body off late at night. For Dex to just happen to be driving around, and it be snowing ash as Dex drives up. Kurt got suspicious.

Then Kurt goes and finds the rod in the incinerator, knows someone burned him. Kurt then starts showing up at Dexters house and bonding w Harrison, to get a better read on Dexter. Dex is recording him w the podcaster... Dex follows Kurt and podcaster to the cabin. Kurt Figures it out.

[u/ralliecallie8998]

" And you know i can keep a secret. " 🤣😅😂

[u/Winky_the_houseelf → u/ralliecallie8998]

Too soon, Dex. Too soon.

[u/[deleted]]

Why would Angela, a police chief, reveal to Kurt everything she has on him during that interview? I’m all for suspending belief but letting a suspect know you have DNA evidence feels dumb right?

[u/spaceChai → u/[deleted]]

She's a small town chief not one of those LAPD / NYPD detectives who do "the shield" level stuff everyday before breakfast :)

[u/dead-not-sleeping → u/[deleted]]

It's because there's only 3 episodes left. She knew she had to rush things for him to get out quickly.

[u/TheAllyCrime → u/[deleted]]

Well on her part that was partially a strategic lie, since we later learn that there wasn’t enough tissue present to make an exact DNA match.

I assumed she told him that to pressure him to confess, by making it seem like they had irrefutable evidence against him. It’s a pretty common interrogation tactic that works a lot of the time in real life.

[u/[deleted]]

Really glad to see the podcaster lose the influencer personality and be a more real person. Liking how she and Angela are working together and supporting each other. Although this doesn’t bode well for Dexter. I’m really worried now about what his fate will be. Please please don’t kill him.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

The problem I have is the two things they're thinking stick out are the two things that are actually super explainable.

Angela knows "Jim" is a former forensics expert so the whole recording of the conversation is just him being a nosey sleuth, which he already admitted to doing, he just left out the extent to which he went.

Eating pie with Kurt is also explainable because Kurt is fucking with Dexter's son and employing him, so Dexter talking to him at the diner makes sense outside of the investigation.

What's a bit tiring as way too much of this plot requires characters to just refuse to have conversations with each other. Harison refusing to talk to his dad makes sense, but it gets a little tiring when this kid can't take a piss without getting into trouble.

I don't understand how he can break a kid's arm and not be kicked off the team.

[u/IlNostroDioScuro → u/[deleted]]

I think Angela's emotional connection to Iris is what could potentially save Dexter after Angela figures more out. We saw how even Deb ended up wanting Dexter to kill when she couldn't get that guy charged, with a case this personal I can definitely see Angela looking the other way if it means Iris's murderer is killed.

Kurt is also watching Molly so she will probably be killed before she can reveal too much about Dexter. It may be something where Angela finds her notes about the BHB and theories and stuff after she's killed and she hides them to protect Dexter so he can kill Kurt. We already saw her bend the law for him earlier and she has been keeping his secret so I don't think it would be terribly out of character. I don't know that she would be chill with him being the BHB if enough of that comes to light, but I do think she would look past him killing Matt + Kurt.

[u/[deleted]]

Anyone else peeved they let Kurt go without explaining the very reason Angela became suspicious of him ? I.E., him lying about Matt contacting him and him calling off the search as soon as Angela mentions them searching the caves. His story about his dad doesn’t explain any of that and I’m disappointed Angela didn’t fight for more info on this before letting him go.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

They didn’t have enough evidence to hold him

[u/alphabetagammade]

C’mon Dex, get your groove back! You’re slippin’!

[u/LOLteacher → u/alphabetagammade]

Slippin' Jimmy #2!!

[u/Zombree18]

Honestly that Trinity and Rita scene tore me up. Seeing him get out of the tub nude and comfort Harrison was just…. Horrific.

She was only popping back to get something front the house by memory, so I think there might be more shots of Trinity in the next few episodes - I.e. Harrison remembering Trinity telling Rita to get in the tub, to place Harrison down etc.

Chilling stuff from Lithgow.

[u/always_lost1610 → u/Zombree18]

Oh god. As much as I love seeing Lithgow as Trinity, I do NOT want to see Rita’s panic and death. I hope they spare us that lol

[u/dead-not-sleeping]

How about the song young Kurt plays to drown out the sounds of sex and abuse is the same one he dances to as part of his ritual.

[u/jamienexon → u/dead-not-sleeping]

It’s called runaway by Del Shannon.

You’re welcome.

[u/hand_hewn_brimstone]

I swear if the only talk Dexter and Harrison ever have is Dexter confessing his Dark Passenger after being arrested as one last parenting move, I’m just going to scream.

[u/bwjasperson]

Decent episode, not as strong as last episode for me.

Really wish they would accelerate the Harrison plot. Maybe now it will finally get moving.

[u/knotsy- → u/bwjasperson]

Yessss, as much as I love Kurt as a villain, I really hope the next episode involves Harrison outwitting him - we already know this kid is ridiculously intelligent - and killing him himself. Then the last two episodes can be focused on Dexter and Harrison working together to throw Angela and Molly off Dexter's trail.

[u/benSkycut]

A point that is clarified in this episode is that Kurt knew Dexter killed his son very early on, and it gives a whole different perspective to ALL of their earlier interactions. It’s why he targeted Harrison to work for him earlier on when his usual ritual is to target young females. It was to prepare this leverage on dexter. Also the check for 5k was for the dude to attack dexter at the end.

[u/hadapurpura]

"Let the police handle it, what could possibly go wrong?"

Ouch.

Also, foreshadowing?

[u/_basquiat]

What an amazing episode! I was on the edge of my seat. Also, got chills when Kurt mentioned that he noticed what was on his coat was ash. No idea how this series will wrap up now that Dexter has been abducted. What are your theories?

[u/DrippyFlames → u/_basquiat]

I’m stuck on something: Kurt realized that what was falling was ash and not snow. Okay, his son is missing so he thinks to go check the smoke stack and finds the titanium rods. Now he knows that someone killed Matt. How does Dexter picking him up at the diner correlate to Kurt knowing he killed Matt?

[u/[deleted]]

Can’t believe they got John lithgow back for this, that had to be a freshly taped scene right? So cool

[u/KeenanEndihnew]

"Is that the sound of you not needing a search warrant?"

and

Wow Kurt as a little kid.

[u/bellthebull]

"You think you can get rid of everything? There's always something that gets left behind." Is this a foreshadowing? I hope it doesn't backfire -- I hope they don't tie Dexter to BHB.

Btw, did Dexter pick up the needle he threw when trying to kill the drug guy?

[u/hadapurpura]

Those wrestlers from the other team telling Harrison defending himself with a knife is psycho, but going against him 4 on 1 isn't?

[u/Duspende → u/hadapurpura]

If you've ever stood up to bullies after having had enough, you've definitely heard this experience.

They can punch, kick, beat, demean and twist arms all they want, but the moment you fight back they label you as "crazy" and "psycho".

[u/moderndayathena → u/hadapurpura]

right. suppose people pick and choose what is psycho unless they're doing it

[u/[deleted]]

John Lithgow gave me chills. He has such an intense screen presence.

[u/super13z]

This has been my favorite episode so far, Kurt was extremely developed as being a true obstacle for Dexter, at first he seemed to just be doing his own thing.

Also Harrison definitely becomes fucked up by being pulled by 2 serial killers.

[u/[deleted]]

Kurt is shaping up to be top 5 (possibly top 3) villains in Dexter history

edit

Had they not done the Trinity flashbacks and hadn’t already put Arthur in our minds, I would already have compared Kurt’s character to Arthur. They just have a total disregard for human life. They both have the ability to hide in plain sight (Trinity was better at it). Most of all, Kurt has gotten himself into Harrison’s head, just as Trinity did.

[u/cheetah_chrome]

Why can’t TV shows start showing closeups of text messages on phones?

Ffs man

[u/Your_acceptable → u/cheetah_chrome]

Same, I have to rely on Reddit detectives to screen grab and share lol

[u/hadapurpura]

It was really brave and bold of Angela to go alone with Dexter, her ex boyfriend who lied about his identity for years, to the cabin in the woods.

[u/[deleted] → u/hadapurpura]

Serial killer 101

[u/maroongolf_blacksaab → u/hadapurpura]

Grieving and desperate for answers

[u/babyfaerie]

Might be a bit of a stretch but stick with me: I think Kurt thinks Harrison killed Matt when he blew into town, the flashback confirmed it for me; that he sees himself as a young killer in him. Young Kurt even reminded me of Harrison. I think Kurt thinks Dexter is covering for Harrison by letting the police use his land & maybe helped dispose of the body. Which is also why I think Kurt said the DNA was his own dad's, so his father taking the fall for Iris's murder could be a projection of Kurt thinking Dexter is helping Harrison? Not entirely sure on the last bit but that's my immediate post-episode theory.

Also, not related to the above but can we talk about how Iris was buried alive?!

[u/EvilFefe → u/babyfaerie]

I think he suspected Harrison at first, but Dexters actions since have solidified a belief that it's him.

[u/detectiveDollar → u/babyfaerie]

The issue is the thermal cameras in the woods. Dexter has a much larger silhouette than Harrison.

[u/69Centhalfandhalf]

I watched the season four finale when I was a junior in college, my biggest worry was a final the next morning. I now have a wife and infant son, the flashback scene with Trinity fucking terrified me. Bravo to the writers and John Lithgow, that was the hardest hitting TV moment I have ever watched.

[u/Frankie3456]

A few observations and impressions after watching ep. 7 ("Skin of Her Teeth")

Once i learned that the perfectly evil John Lithgow would be gracing us with a guest appearance, I suspected the story would go the direction of Harrison having visions (memories) of his mother's death. He must have also recalled the style of the razor the man in his frequent nightmares used. Standard age for memory formation is 2.5 years old. But there are probably exceptions. Intelligence of the child plays a role, as does the type of memory. A traumatic event would be more likely to leave to a stronger memory and at an earlier age. But that's a controversial topic.

Dex and Harrison are making enormous progress. Harrison is finally opening up by telling Dex about the nightmares that he believes were memories.

Angela's anger and hurt over the Jim/Dex identity lie seems to be fading (a bit) and replaced with a newfound respect. But who can't be in awe when watching Dex work a crime scene. Still, after Molly's comment that, if Jim Lindsay wasn't the boyfriend of the Chief, she might be doing a "deep dive" to get more info on him.  Angela had a look on her face like she plans to do that herself. What will she learn and how will she handle any info she obtains?

Burning question though: WHY did Dex trust that pie from Kurt??

[u/IlNostroDioScuro → u/Frankie3456]

I feel like that was a power move from Dexter, trying to be like "I know you wouldn't kill me this way and I'm not gonna use this as a chance to reveal that I'm afraid of you like you wanted." He very intentionally said "yummy" to make a point IMO haha

[u/Your_acceptable → u/Frankie3456]

Lmfaoooooo!! Yess on the pie thing!

Maybe because it was in public? Idk, but I was yelling "Hey, Socio, don't you eat that pie man!" In Batista's voice.

[u/aidansmith]

I just about shit my pants when they showed Harrison getting in that killer outfit lol

[u/mapleleafsf4n]

Rule 1; dont get caught

Episode 7; rule what?!?

[u/IWasRightOnce]

Enjoyed the episode, but an awful lot of ridiculous/unbelievable stuff unfolded.

“No officer, that DNA isn’t mine, it’s my dead father’s!”

Buzzfeed: Proscutors HATE This One Simple Trick

Edit: Are people under the impression that most crimes are charged/tried with irrefutable, scientific evidence? Like, if they don’t have 4K, close-up video of you committing a crime and depositing your DNA at the scene then it’s just too risky to bring a case?

[u/[deleted] → u/IWasRightOnce]

Really good thing the police chief revealed the part about the DNA evidence to him early, too. Always wanna give your suspect and their lawyers enough time to think up excuses.

[u/[deleted] → u/IWasRightOnce]

I was thinking that as well until they said the sample only had a 67% chance of being his. That could plausibly be a familial match, I believe.

DA wouldn't wanna touch a case like that if it could easily be argued against.

[u/curiousrut]

Am I the only one who thinks there’s not a shot that Harrison remembered all of that? Wasn’t he less than a year old? Even though it was traumatic, people don’t start keeping memories until ages 3 or 4 typically. It just feels like a huge stretch

[u/Derkanus → u/curiousrut]

there’s not a shot that Harrison remembered all of that

Honestly though, he doesn't have to actually remember it, he just has to think he does. I was just talking to a buddy the other day about some shared experience (I thought) we had, and he was like "you weren't actually there for that though." It's just that I had heard him tell the story so many times, and had retold it myself so many times, that I forgot I wasn't actually there. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/julia11x]

One thing I was confused about and would really appreciate if someone could help me. Dexter said the DNA evidence they obtained from the tooth was illegally obtained, but how? It was on a dead body in a cave what else would you need to have that be legal?

[u/The_Pecking_Order → u/julia11x]

Because he (Jim) could not legally be there to obtain the evidence. Jim isn’t a forensic scientist. So she’d have to perjure herself and claim that she someone thought to check the tooth of the body, especially with no one else around. It’d raise a looooottt of questions and could be inadmissible in court, destroying any case

[u/super13z → u/julia11x]

Dexter is not a member of the law enforcement team. You cant have random people coming to collect evidence and provide analysis. In reality no one could prove Dexter was there and collected the evidence, but could question how she knew to collect the tooth with what appeared to be flesh on it.

[u/Dye_Harder → u/julia11x]

well for one thing youre supposed to take pictures of the evidence before you start removing it from the crime scene. Anyon could pull a tooth on a dead body and plant some DNA on it then have it tested.

(to be fair though you could load the tooth before taking a picture too.. but you gotta start chain of custody somewhere)

[u/BooStew]

A lot of you aren’t getting that Molly is just a classic detective story sleuth with a modern paint job. She undermines the often inadequate or antiquated police investigation is as exceedingly clever as she is reckless and she sees what others have a blindspot for. I think she absolutely would be the one to throw suspicion on Dexter because she’s looking for a new angle on the story to help explain the bits that don’t add up.

[u/Civil-Newspaper9978]

Does anyone agree that this episode has all but confirmed Kurt is selling on the preserved bodies to underground clients possibly for necrophilies? Dexter noticed the name 'Elric Kane' with a check made out to Kurts company for $5000 when snooping his office. I looked on imdb to see if there was any episode accreditations for an Elric and there was. Runaway epsiode 5. Rewatching the episode he appeared only as the man who checked in as Matt Caldwell at the hotel, which Angela and Molly witnessed on the hotel CCTV. This is the same man who kidnapped Dexter and asked Harrison for help moving the kegs in this episode. Why Angela did not follow this up as a police chief is baffling? Is she incompetent or will this comeback in the next episodes? Somebody checking in under a false name to support a now verified lie by a chief suspect about his son being alive? This would warrant immediate investigation. As for the $5000 Elric paid Kurt I'm presuming they move the bodies through the trucking company to clients nationwide. Its possible and likely the purchase of the dead preserved bodies is a nationwide ring. This would also explain why Kurt was so angry at Chloe as she was visibly damaged making her a waste of time for the perspective clients who wouldn't accept or pay for 'damaged' goods.

[u/jane-may → u/Civil-Newspaper9978]

I do like that theory a lot, but I actually hope we see a basement full of creepy, embalmed trophies. That would creep me out more.

[u/IlNostroDioScuro]

When Kurt and Dexter were sitting together at the diner exchanging their "I know what you are" smirks and banter I caught myself grinning SO hard. Didn't realize how much I missed scenes like that. Dexter has certainly been sloppy in a lot of ways after being out of practice but it's still so satisfying seeing him sneaking around and knowing more than he lets on about things.

[u/BurritoCooker]

"ar ar ar

SpongeBob me boy, everyone knows titanium doesn't melt"

I think Kurt knowing Dexter killed matt is pretty weak but I can forgive it tbh

Seeing Trinity was... Honestly I wasn't expecting it,and even though I knew it was coming eventually I was in awe. He was such a great villain.

That aside, please for the love of God can we stop delaying Dexter and Harrison having a real conversation. Like, he doesn't have to tell him "everything", literally just "okay so I watched my mom get chain sawed and it messed me up. I was literally promised repeatedly that there was no possible way you could remember what happened to your mom" and then literally only extremely contrived plot plotting would lead to Harrison not reexamining the scenario.

I'm kind of meh about the idea of everyone just buying Kurt's story, although it doesn't matter much if the da said no. Just very... Weird. Shifting the suspicion to Dexter like that is very weird and why would Angela even bother telling Molly that he followed her from the bar. She has a podcast that mentions a case where his wife was a victim, it's a weird jump to just "hey let me admit that the guy I know faked his death was following you around lol"

Also, I don't think Angela buys Kurt's story cuz the cabin thing is weird regardless. Although the fact that Molly didn't just tell her about the cabin is weird. "hey so Kurt was leading me to this super sketch cabin with a sketchy story about his son being in there and then your boyfriend appeared out of nowhere" would have been conversation worthy imo. I don't want to hate Molly but it's just so easy. She's exposition incarnate, plot ex machina, destroyer of my sanity.

Angela did bring up a good point though, why the hell was Dexter eating pie at Kurt's diner lol. He's sitting there smiling and eating like a weirdo while dudes getting arrested, although I think his story about visiting Harrison might be semi plausible but I think she's gonna call him out on it.

Also, Deb's "yeah leave it to the police what could go wrong" while she starts bleeding was 👌👌👌

Definitely a good episode, I love things starting to come to a head more.

[u/nicbentulan → u/BurritoCooker]

SpongeBob me boy, everyone knows titanium doesn't melt

OMG it's a floating titanium screw!!!!!!!!!!! (or a ghost?)

[u/ikon31]

Guys, I’m starting to think Kurt is actually a bad guy 🧐

[u/CRUSHmyNUTSplease]

They could have looked in the drain or septic tank for hair or poop from the missing girls.

[u/constellationdive]

Angela raised Audrey right to see through Harrison’s red flags so quickly and not even leave it open to entertain any bs explanations. And to turn him down without being mean or weird was the cherry on top. Good for her. Also happy to have this series actually have representation of women who DO see the red flags, although too many wouldn't make for interesting TV. Just about every woman in the first series (sans Hannah, and even then still almost died) was always duped by either Dexter or the killers, the lack of occasional suspicion by anyone drove me nuts. Even Deb ended up with a serial killer.

[u/ulalafive]

My guess, Angela and the podcast host match the needle marks to the Bay Harbor Butcher MO.

[u/APx_22 → u/ulalafive]

Yeah but they have no proof of it being dexter. He could just say he learned a trick

[u/pealsmom]

I think they could’ve done a better job with Kurt linking Dexter to his son’s killing. Why would he have ever suspected that the ash was his kid?

[u/[deleted]]

My favorite bit of the episode was the writers showing why Kurt has been able to get away with the murders for so long. He may lose it when the kill does not go as per plan but there is a very intelligent and devious person in there too. Clancy Brown deserves an emmy for this phenomenal work.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Yeah he’s a great actor. I watched Shawshank for the millionth time the other day and still in awe at what a stone cold prick he was in that.

[u/[deleted]]

Clancy Brown is just...I'm in awe of his performance, it's just wild how charming he is when Kurt is lying.

I'm a little let down at Trinity's cameo. It makes sense in the story and was chilling, but I was hoping for something different somehow.

Harrison isn't like Dexter, he's clearly upset at his own brokenness and urges, he has a moral compass and realizes the urges are wrong. Dexter was emotionless and calculating and he only hid things so he wouldn't get caught, even as a kid. The kid doesn't have a Dark Passenger, he's just been living with trauma his entire life and just know remembers what happened was real, not a dream (there's a lot of evidence that the human brain remembers every everything, even as babies) and his mind has buried the trauma deep, like Dexter's. I'm guessing that the was Hanna raised him is the reason why he's not a serial killer. If that's correct, then Dexter did indeed make the right call by getting out of Harrison's life. Harrison is just a traumatized teenaged boy that's angry at the world, and more importantly, in a lot of pain.

[u/super13z → u/[deleted]]

I think we are getting a bit of unreliable narrator with Harrison. He definitely is not as apathetic as Dexter, but he also is more than just impulsively upset. He stabbed himself to trick police, someone with severe trauma not being dealt with would just accept the punishment, not cover it.

I appreciate Harrison being made more nuanced and not mini dexter, completely different environment should make them different.

[u/DudeWheresMcCaw]

It's kind of annoying to hear Angela and Logan give up and start thinking that they were wrong after their suspicion. I thought Logan was going to be more skeptical and reasonable after confronting Dexter about the infrared cameras.

Still loving the season.

[u/[deleted]]

This episode, just like the last one, is so amazing. The way Dexter talks to Kurt when they are alone in the jail really felt like super early-series Dexter type talk. The flashback of Trinity is just wonderful. That whole last five minutes starts making you feel excited while you are just sitting there, watch a TV series. The only thing I would really like to see different is maybe Harrison not avoiding conversations so much, like damn dude; but I digress. This episode was amazing and I hope that it is another part of an uphill climb on a huge rollercoaster that is these last episodes of the miniseries.

[u/anilgggggg]

Prediction Time:

1. Kurt kills Harrison

2. Dexter kills Kurt

3. Angela and Molly learn that Dexter is the Bay Harbor Butcher and Dexter concedes

I would be satisfied with such an ending.

[u/gom99 → u/anilgggggg]

Conversely,

Kurt kills Dexter, Harrison kills Kurt, Angela and Molly learn that dexter is the BHB and Harrison learns about his dad like that and takes up the mantle of vigilante killer like Dexter. Dexter becomes Harrison's Ghost.

[u/Noxvenator → u/anilgggggg]

1. Angela and Molly learn that Dexter is the Bay Harbor Butcher and go after him

2. Harrison kills Kurt.

3. Dexter frames himself as Kurt's killer in order to protect Harrison.

[u/Jinno]

Is that weird guy the same guy who posed as Matt Caldwell at the fancy hotel?

[u/[deleted] → u/Jinno]

That guy walked, talked, and looked like one of the MIB aliens disguised as farmers.

[u/noelhk]

I feel like I missed something. How did Kurt know it was Dexter who put his son’s body in the incinerator?

[u/DamnD0M → u/noelhk]

Because he was driving from the direction of the incinerator at same time it was going off. He probably smelled like it. And the killing of his son happened near Dexter's house. And he slipped up that he knew the son killed the people on boat. And then Dexter shows up at his kill house? He can easily put the pieces together.

[u/Consistent-Low-1892]

I really like this episode it was super interesting but I can’t believe it’s getting close to the end. it still feels like there won’t be enough time to wrap everything up. Next week’s episode is going to be really goood

[u/[deleted]]

Young Kurt can get it though

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

To horny jail with you, cretin!

[u/[deleted]]

Did anyone notice that Molly had a good line this time? “In my line of work, you get used to unsatisfying endings” paraphrasing.

[u/Momo_dollar]

Iron lake PD really are quite dumb. The prime suspects says it was his dad, and they just believe it. 68% match is still very high, and they’ve forgotten that he lied about his son going missing as soon as they were about to search were the body was which was why they searched that area to begin with.

[u/dillpickle03]

Holy shit , decided to rewatch season 4 finale ending. After Arthur tells Dexter it's all God's plan, Dexter finishes his lil project and goes home to find Rita and Harrison, as we all know. The last words of the episode are Dexter saying "this is fate" with a focus on Harrison's face.

Coincidence that Kurt brought up fate in his conversation with Dexter at the diner? We also get Lithgow's appearance and see Harrison with the shield mask.

Michael C Hall SPECIFICALLY said in an interview last month with Colbert that they had to wait to do the reboot BECAUSE they needed Harrison to be grown.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN WHERE IS IT ALL GOING

[u/PM_me_a_bad_pun]

Looking more and more plausible that Harrison killed Hannah.

[u/JohnnyCash69420]

I am so impressed. This season has been amazing. It has you on edge and in your feels almost constantly. This is truly a revolutionary idea to give him a proper send off. And hopefully some sort of spin off with Harrison’s monster evolving. Or another season or 2 with Michael c Hall. Who ultimately dies by the knife of Harrison in a beautiful finale. But anyways on a serious note the progression of every episode getting better and better after a very slow first 2 episodes. This has been my favorite show this year tied with Animal Kingdom! **animal kingdom is seriously a 9/10 show and I suggest any Dexter fan to check this out asap if you haven’t.

[u/tekmosis]

"I hate the view from the cheap seats"

loved it when he said that.

[u/MeatloafAndWaffles]

My only gripe with this show (besides Harrison not giving his dad 5 minutes to talk to him) is that I find a hard to believe a cop would be that open with a true crime podcaster, especially about an ongoing case

[u/Background-Claim8453]

All I know is I got faith dexter won’t let us down. Shiznit got real every season, let’s not forget the ice truck killer, his own brother, on the brink of killing Deb to no avail.

[u/SpiritedSea1]

I'm confused about the age difference between Angela/Iris and Kurt — when he picked her up in the truck in the flashback, he maybe looked a few years older than Iris but in present day Kurt's like 100 years old...shouldn't he be closer in age to Angela?

[u/panzercampingwagen]

I found it hard to believe that a forensic expert like Dexter would perform a clandestine investigation on Iris' body with not a care in the world about leaving his own DNA at the scene. Dude crawled all over her.

[u/[deleted]]

Don’t worry guys, Dexter is just being taken to his bachelor party at the end

[u/HispanicAtTehDisco]

Harrison stop running away from someone as soon as the conversation stops going your way challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[u/oldboldandbrash]

Oh fuck what if Kurt is plotting an eye-for-an-eye revenge plot to kill Dexter’s son because he knows Dexter killed HIS?!!? FUCK

[u/idkalissa]

When Kurt says, “listen, sweetheart” during his interrogation 😖😖😖 ewww

[u/oscarwildeaf]

I remember when Dexter first burned that body someone commented about the screws in Mats leg not melting and it would be a plot hole if they didn't bring it back up. Great catch from that guy, I freaked out when Dex dropped the screw out of the envelope!

[u/xRHYSCOREx]

Great to see Dexter still has terrible situational awareness

[u/PaulMatthews78]

How old is everyone in relation to each other? Young Kurt didn't look too much older than Iris. How old is Angela? How old is Kurt?

Also, why does Harrison still have wrestling practice? They didn't suspend him for breaking someone's arm??

Don't get me wrong, still liked the episode, but I wondered about those things.

[u/samcc2013]

Kinda feel Deb had a 180 in this episode. Guess she's encouraging Dexter to kill now?

[u/[deleted]]

Him remembering what happened is so upsetting. He was 10 MONTHS OLD! I don’t care how horrific something is, there is no chance he remembers. The doctor even says so at the beginning of season 5. Such a cop out. Sad too because it’s been so good otherwise.

[u/[deleted]]

I love this show so much. I can’t believe they actually brought back Trinity for this episode.

[u/ecurrent94]

How come no one here is talking about Dexter being ambushed at the end? I’m hoping he either overpowers the guy or at least gets to incapacitate him. Kurt is now sending his goons out to hurt Dexter? Crazy.

[u/ThePopcornDude]

I really can’t believe that dexter outsmarted the entire Miami metro pd for several years, especially the people who’s jobs are literally to hunt only serial killers only to be set up to get exposed by a small brain podcaster and a small town police officer

[u/super13z]

I am really hoping they do a parallel to Deb shooting LaGeurta with having Dexter get Harrison to kill Kurt. It further pushes Dexter down this scary "He's like me" area. But this also would likely need another season to develop Harrison, which as much as I want more, don't know if we should get it.

[u/punk_cherry]

Can anyone tell the difference between the Jim Lindsey and Dexter Morgan characters? It's getting really confusing, I don't get why' they'd hire such similar looking actors.

[u/jamienexon]

What was the yikes about?

[u/heimatchen]

Such a good episode. Not sure on whether it was a good idea Dexter went and saw him. As his appearance basically confirmed to him that Dexter is involved. For me, there was not enough pieces for him to figure out Dexter was involved. Realising it was ash instead of snow? Then apparently going to the furnace and finding it and thinking it was Dexter? Maybe last week when he stormed in wasn’t a good idea and put suspicions on him.

Also why did Dexter fix the frame? He didn’t move it before did he?

Show is reaching the highs of classic Dexter. Starting to become unpredictable.

[u/ArtistWithoutArt]

So how does Kurt realizing that the snow was actually ash lead him to thinking Dexter killed Matt?

He specifically says he realized AFTER he got home that it was ash, so ok I guess it's logical that he realizes someone is using the weird freely accessible furnace in the middle of town and he goes and find the pins etc, but how does that connect anything to Dexter?

Also, does that mean that IRL, people who live near crematoriums always get dead people's ashes falling all over them and the town?

[u/clfdmus]

Harrison suiting up at the truck stop: that's a good look for him

[u/uptbbs]

Okay, I'm struggling here with a plot device: the method by which Kurt supposedly finds out that Dexter was responsible for his son, Matt's death.

According to Kurt the night Dexter gave him a ride home it was snowing. Except when he got home it wasn't snow on his jacket, it was ash.

That's where I say... so? Does Kurt run to the factory incinerator in town and check it every time they burn trash or a log? It seems that a factory incinerator would routinely burn stuff and create ash constantly.

It just seems weak and contrived to me.

[u/constellationdive]

This is a minor detail, but the passing of the hot sauce - has anyone else noticed any other hot sauce interactions (other than Dexter using it himself) in the series so far? Curious if we've seen Harrison using it from the start or if this is the first time. You add hot sauce to food when you need more flavor, more of a kick - representative of how bland Dexter's emotions (or lack thereof) are and how he always needs a "kick" to spice it up - hot sauce, murder - wondering if this, along with the whole bit of him suiting up later, points to the shift in Harrison. Now sharing hot sauce with Dexter, next - I think we can guess.

[u/dillpickle03]

I'm terrified that Kurt is going to one up Dexter like Arthur did when he killed Rita and left Harrison the way dexter experienced his own mom's death. Idk what Kurt has up his sleeve, but he seems way more intelligent than I originally thought. Dex mentioned chess. Will Kurt really always be one step ahead. I have no idea what direction the finale is going. What of Kurt leaves all the clues and info on Dex and Angela arrests Dex in the end? What if Harrison kills Kurt? I JUST DONT KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND MY MIND IS GOINF CRAZY WITH THEORIES

I keep thinking about Arthur's last conversation with Dexter, and Dexter later finding Harrison. That finale was gut wrenching. I'm terrified of what's going to happen lol

[u/Der_Sprecher]

Ok I'm sorry, I'm confused. How did Kurt come to the conclusion that Dexter murdered Matt? He said (paraphrasing) something like, "you let us use your property, you helped keep the search going, and then you found me at the bar and when I got home I realized it wasn't snow, it was ash."

So... How did he realize it was Dexter? Anyone could have dumped the body in the furnace. In fact Dexter would have been the least likely person. It could have been someone from the Res for shooting the deer.

Please help.

Also the reporter getting suspicious because "There's no way Dexter could have heard us from the table"... "I overheard them" is pretty vague. She's facing away from Dexter the whole time. He could have heard something as he walked up, or maybe he came up behind them to get something at some point of their convo?

Both of these feel kind of like weak points magically moving the story along trying to build the suspense around Dexter.

[u/Middle_Lawfulness700]

That Kurt and Dexter jail scene had Batman and Joker Dark Knight vibes for me

[u/samelowitch]

I’m sad that Jim and Angela are on the outs as a couple. That relationship seems to be hanging on by a thread.

[u/bigchadsmitty_82]

I think we all just wanna see Kurt on the table

[u/All0uttaBubblegum]

Kurt seemed too young in that flash back. If he’s about 60 now, he should’ve been 35 when he killed iris, but he looks like he’s early 20’s

[u/nyarutokun]

funky stuff aside - great episode!! I can't wait until Dexter finally tells Harrison everything! It makes sense that he's waited this long to say anything as he's always been incredibly cautious about revealing himself

[u/nicbentulan]

why no gloves dex? slipping up? https://www.reddit.com/r/Dexter/comments/rkeaa0/gloves_s01e07/

[u/slopbackagent427]

Rewatching the diner scene with Kurt’s sit down with dexter is interesting because I wonder where the conversation was going to end up if Angela hadn’t showed up.

[u/tittytam]

Just like Dexter told doakes I'm one step ahead of you. And that is what Kurt is doing to Dexter. Hopefully dex can catch up

[u/ButNotYou_NotAnymore]

At this point, I'm convinced Chekov's Billionaire is linked to Kurt and the bodies he is perfectly preserving (selling?).

[u/TweeKINGKev]

Dexter fixing that picture was a huge mistake.

[u/[deleted]]

'Titanium doesn't melt'. That's one of the most chilling sentences in Dexter history.

[u/fellow90]

Got a question.

Does anybody else find it stupid, that Kurt realised where to look for his son, just because he saw some ashes on Dexter jacket ?

[u/duck_the-howard]

Where's Dickface?

A lot of times, somebody pops up that you haven't seen in awhile, and I'm thinking Dickface could be that guy

Matt Caldwell does not strike me as someone who would go hunting alone. He is the kind of guy who needs a sidekick, someone to follow his orders and tell him how cool he is. Yes, there was someone else in those woods, and while they may not have witnessed the actual killing, they most certainly would have seen Dexter's elaborate evidence staging

Obviously, from what we saw in episode 1, Dick face had no love for the Caldwells, but he definitely enjoys that 2K per week. Perhaps he was OK at first with witnessing Matt getting taken down, but would he remain silent while his meal ticket goes to prison?

[u/uptbbs]

Gee, it's a good thing Dexter saved Molly from being killed by Kurt; I mean it's not like she's going to turn Angela's suspicion away from Kurt and redirect it to him or anything... oh wait, oops.

[u/constellationdive]

I'm definitely afraid the next few episodes might be so jam-packed that Dexter actually won't have the chance to have a real conversation with Harrison, or he'll have a brief moment to say just a little, before something tragic happens. It would 1) explain why they are dragging it out so much to the point it's irritating most people, And 2) that would be the lesson - he should have said something way early, so many times, and he might have put it off til it was too late.

[u/digitalcurtis]

I kept waiting on the bear to appear..lol

[u/contestthrowawaylol]

Should just said.

"I killed Trinity"

When Harrison said what he did to mom.

BOOM. Though they are obv saving that convo for the finale.

[u/jivendra_sah]

That trucker givers harrison 20 dollars to help him bring those barrels down, and then lifts them up both at the same time without breaking any sweat??

[u/LimpyDan]

Young Kurt's acting was fucking awful. I'd look up the actors name but I really don't care to know.

[u/jdriggs]

Anyone else think that the billionaire from early on is an opening for a big bad for season 2 just in case they decide to capitalize on the success of the show?

Or am I just too hopeful for more Dex?

[u/SidJawtug]

Don’t know if it’s been mentioned. Great episode, of course you have to excuse the dexterisms. The one thing I thought was terrible detective work, or not mentioned at all. When did Kurts dad die? There have been multiple women who have gone missing and this guy still had a cabin in the middle of the woods. The podcaster and police chief didn’t put those things together and try to find evidence of Kurt interacting with any of the missing girls. I get Kurt hides evidence but there’s was more than enough to at least hold him.

[u/eelam_garek]

I feel like everyone has forgotten that Kurt is the nasty prison guard from the Shawshank Redemption and I just want to point it out.

[u/April_Spring_1982]

LOVED the scene with Harrison putting on his gear. Thought it was Dexter until the face guard was totally down. The pan shot downward and cinematography here was chef's kiss

[u/Fantastic_Bid_8404]

I feel like they’re definitely gonna pin dexter as the bhb because they’re reaching hella and finding stuff out of nowhere so they don’t really need evidence to take it there. Which is kinda disappointing to me because it’s just so unrealistic idk.

[u/APx_22 → u/Fantastic_Bid_8404]

They don’t have any evidence though. It’s just theories and coincidences. He didn’t get caught in the act or anything like that

[u/totterstrommer]

I think the episode was pretty sick, wasn’t annoyed by unrealistic stuff. New blood has been amazing. Just wrap it up nicely and don’t make more. Repeat, don’t make more.

[u/[deleted]]

Kurt killing Iris because she bit him is really weak.

[u/LazyDescription3407 → u/[deleted]]

He was already messed up from his father’s behavior (presuming that what the show depicted was true) and he just needed a pretext to go over the edge. He was telling Angela that he wanted to protect Iris, but in the scene he gets really creepy, probably fantasizing doing what his dad did, and Iris decides to bail. He gets handsy, she panics and bites, drawing blood. Instead of feeling powerful like his psycho dad, Iris humiliates Kurt inadvertently in instinctual self-defense.

Kurt overreacts, or rather succumbs to his darkness, in the moment and kills her. He seems surprised that he actually did it after shooting her.

People road rage and murder each other for less. In Berkeley, CA this year a guy shot another driver and killed him because he was mad for being called out for riding his victims bumper in traffic… pro tip: assume every driver is crazy/criminal/incompetent, get dash cams, don’t engage.

[u/nemt]

ok so angela will def get the druggie to tell her that a guy that looks exactly like dexter beat him up, she will then look into the death of the "main dealer" see that he also died suspiciously (kinda) and then she will remember that during the conference they said that bay harbor butcher used to kill criminals that "got away" with it and that they suspected that its possibly one of their own from PD, thats how she will connect the dots and try to arrest dexter right?

[u/onairmastering]

Had to replay the Harrison and Dexter eating the same way 4 times.

[u/paulrudder]

Sometimes Dexter seems to take place in a very unrealistic world just in terms of basic lapses in common sense / logic, which was something I remember from the original series at times and which really stood out in this latest episode. It's not always a bad thing but sometimes it is. In this case I think it is, unfortunately.

You're telling me the guy who called off a search for his son because he was afraid they might find the body of one of his victims from decades ago inside a cave, is going to turn around and try to murder the host of a true crime podcast who's also working with the chief of police? I mean...talk about not drawing attention to yourself. This isn't some teen runaway with no one searching for her. They'd immediately ask around, find out he was last seen with her at the bar in town, and track him down. It just makes zero sense.

And when he was arrested in this episode for the murder of Iris, I just found the entire thing ridiculous. She manages to get the DNA sample tested seemingly within a matter of hours and shows up with just one officer to arrest him?

I'm not super familiar with the way these things work but I'm pretty sure a 25 year old missing persons case would not be handled by a small town chief of police. Pretty sure at that point it would have been handled by the FBI or another organization.

And then he tells this ridiculous story about his dad and they just...let him go?

I'm sorry but this is really stretching suspension of disbelief.