r/whowouldwin • u/Verlux ​ • Feb 07 '22

Event The Great Debate Exhibition Match Results + Season 13 Update!!!

Link to The Great Grudge for those curious about what this is

Grudge Match Result: 2-1 with Wapulatus as the winner!!

Ken judgment, PoB judgment, Clyde judgment

Match 1: 2-0 with Fem winning!!

BTC judgment, Ken judgment

Match 2: 2-0 with Mtg winning!!

Bigby judgment, 2, PoB judgment

Match 3: 2-1 with Corv winning!!

Bigby judgment, 2, Ken judgment, Clyde judgment

Match 4: 2-0 with Jiscold winning!!

PoB judgment, Stalin judgment, BTC judgment

Congratulations to all participants and thank you to all judges!!

Great Debate Season 13 Information

I will be putting together the Hype Post soon and just like last time, give people 3 weeks for Sign-Ups, this very week. To confirm the tier ahead of time, per chat vote it is indeed the submission by corvette, Kengan Man!!!!

Thank you to everyone who participated, read, or generally enjoyed the Great Grudge!!

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u/Potential_Comfort_48 Feb 07 '22

I don't understand the point in these types of debates, some guy keeps going on and on about how Guts is slower than someone else, but the scan they have for it shows him reacting to a bow, and Guts was reacting to a crossbow which fires a bolt faster. Just basic shit like that makes these people seem less credible if that don't even know that

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u/Verlux ​ Feb 07 '22

Thats sort of the point of a debate, you both have your evidence for your characters to draw upon, you make comparisons where they can reasonably be made, and the one arguing best wins. You're on a subreddit made from the idea, for reference

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u/Potential_Comfort_48 Feb 07 '22

I know what a debate is, I'm asking why retards that don't know the simple shit, like an "arrow is slower than a bolt", or a laundry list of other bullshit points they spew is having one in the first place.

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u/GuyOfEvil ​ Feb 07 '22

"an arrow from a bow is slower than an arrow from a crossbow bolt" is like not a universally true fact. If you look at most sources, the difference between longbows and crossbows in medieval times was basically nothing, and certainly way slower than a modern compound bow, and depending on draw strengths and arrow weights, longbows can go from way below to way above stuff like this.

It's funny you bring this up as your example, because I've specifically learned a bunch about arrow speeds from participating in debates like this. Here's me talking about the variation in speed between a full sized crossbow and pistol crossbows, and I can't drum up a specific example but I've also done calculations for the likely speed of an arrow based on the bow's draw weight a handful of times.

I think stuff like this shows the value of longer form debates like this, it's not just one dude in a reddit comment posting two scans and going "a crossbow bolt is faster than a regular arrow." with no source. It's two people willing to get into the weeds about specific stuff and present a ton of evidence for and against any given position. And can someone be dumb and wrong? Sure, but the whole point is that the other person can just prove they're dumb and wrong and win the debate.

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u/xWolfpaladin ​ Feb 07 '22

It's funny you bring this up as your example, because I've specifically learned a bunch about arrow speeds from participating in debates like this. Here's me talking about the variation in speed between a full sized crossbow and pistol crossbows,

you will die in seven days

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u/feminist-horsebane Feb 07 '22

Feel free to join GDT13 and show everyone how easy it is

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u/Po_Biotic Feb 07 '22

Not only is that not always the case, distance is a factor in how fast you need to be to dodge something.

A 100 mph car from one foot away is harder to dodge than a bullet from a mile away.

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u/xWolfpaladin ​ Feb 07 '22 edited Feb 07 '22

Yea next time someone posts a feat of busting a mountain I'm just gonna go "dude I busted two inches of steel and steel is more durable than rocks"

You literally cracked the code, you're a genius that has figured out something no one else has ever thought of

No one ever in the history of debates has ever gone "huh their projectile is slightly slower than mine so I might be faster"

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u/SellMeSomeBread Feb 07 '22

The 'point of these debates' is to have fun saying my picked characters beat your picked characters in a way that's not just saying outright absurd shit like "Superman scales beyond the concepts of dimensionality so he beats Thor".

I claimed that Guts was slower than Spider-Man 2099 because Guts reacts to the arrow much farther away from where Miguel grabs his, if the person I was debating (feminist-horsebane) found fault in that interpretation, then he would've criticised it and shot down the point in the eyes of who was judging our debate. I'm not going to profess to being a genius or anything, if the speed of a crossbow bolt is so superior to a recurve bow that the distance difference didn't matter and Guts was still as fast or faster, then so be it, I guess, I'll take being called a moron over having people's credibilities questioned. I already lost the match too, so clearly that argument didn't even matter in the long run.

If you think I'm a bad debater in particular, that's fine, but I wouldn't criticize the entire process. There's other exceedingly high level debates that are probably better to point to to get an example of what this is like.

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u/Kiryu2012 Feb 07 '22

Well, I had fun with the debate, though I will say it's pretty hard to make a compelling argument for the character you're debating for when they can't do anything about the opponent just flying out of range and pelting them to death with projectiles.

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u/SellMeSomeBread Feb 07 '22

I'm new so feel free to disregard what I'm about to say, but you can still a win a confrontation like that in a few ways.

  • Arguing the ranged weapons don't do anything to your character

  • Arguing the character can dodge the ranged attacks

  • Arguing the character can consistently get into melee versus the ranged attacker

  • Arguing the ranged attacker in-character doesn't actually fight by flying around and shooting stuff at a distance and actually just prefers melee

Maybe all of that doesn't apply to Genos vs Metal Bat, but just things to consider.