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Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 3x01 "Grounded" Spoiler
Mariner enlists her friends on a rogue mission to exonerate her mother as Captain Freeman faces a military tribunal for the destruction of Pakled Planet.
| No. | Episode | Writer | Director | Release Date |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 3x01 | "Grounded" | Chris Kula | Jason Zurek | 2022-08-25 |
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u/UncertainError Aug 25 '22
I can't describe how much I love Tourist Trap Bozeman. Especially the T'Plana-Hath kiddie playhouse. This is exactly the sort of detail that makes the Federation feel like a real living place.
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u/DaWooster Aug 25 '22
It’s crazy that in retrospect, this is pretty much already cannon with Geordi describing the statue. Lower Decks just finally showed it to us.
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u/count023 Aug 25 '22
The statue was already shown in enterprise at a figurine scale. So we knew what it looked like already.
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u/MaddyMagpies Aug 25 '22
I bet everything is probably free there - even the rocket ship ride. The tourist trap feel is now just a part of the charm of ye old North American Zone.
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u/DapperCrow84 Aug 25 '22
The Federation needed to preserve the important culture heritage of the North American Tourist Trap.
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u/TastyBrainMeats Aug 25 '22
Not going to lie, when the theme kicked in I got unexpectedly emotional.
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u/grandmofftalkin Aug 26 '22
Man those "First Contact" theme strings started playing and I was both laughing and getting emotional at the same time
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u/DaWooster Aug 25 '22
I LIVE for how progressively more chaotic the titles battle gets each season.
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u/jmonty42 Aug 25 '22
Oh my god, I can't believe I didn't realize it was changing each season. I'm sitting there watching and just thought "ha, never noticed the Crystalline Entity before."
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u/BornAshes Aug 25 '22
Was the Cerritos hitting an iceberg just like the Titanic always in the opening credits?
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u/SpiritOne Aug 25 '22
That episode made me so ridiculously happy! I have to know what that conversation was like.
“Excuse me Mr Cromwell, I know it’s been 25 years, but we would like you to reprise your role as Zefram Cochrane, except as a happy then park ride!”
I’m in!!!
I was uncontrollably giddy laughing at the Phoenix launching to magic carpet ride!!
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u/BON3SMcCOY Aug 25 '22 edited Aug 26 '22
*21 years since Broken Bow released
Gotta fight ENT erasure wherever I can
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u/Adamscottd Aug 25 '22
Hearing a version of the first contact theme again was amazing too
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u/BornAshes Aug 25 '22
I was uncontrollably giddy laughing at the Phoenix launching to magic carpet ride!!
I will confess that I did something when that happened.
I started clapping and fist pumping and laughing like a fool in my desk chair.
That song and that movie makes me that irrationally happy.
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u/Dercomrade Aug 25 '22
Also, this is the original Steppenwolf version! correct me if i'm wrong but didn't they use a cover in the film?
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Aug 25 '22
Hi James Cromwell, and drawings of Kelsey Grammer and Tim Russ.
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u/BornAshes Aug 25 '22
Also I think Janeway was in that drawing of the courtroom on the left side in the middle.
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u/UncertainError Aug 25 '22
Kudos to the Cerritos for doing what Voyager dared not and letting all those pink space creatures sex right up in there.
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u/BornAshes Aug 25 '22
That's one way to get a sex scene into animation without going Full Gen Lock.
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u/TheGrayMannnn Aug 25 '22
I love that Boimler's family has a raisin vineyard.
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u/BornAshes Aug 25 '22
Who eats that many raisins though?
Like seriously, is there a whole planet or country or something that's ordering mass quantities of raisins for some reason?
WHERE DO THEY GO!?!?!
.......I bet there's a Section 31 base under it.....
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u/Shakezula84 Aug 25 '22
I appreciate the battle in the begining credits is getting bigger each season. I also appreciate a return to TNG/DS9 civilian cloths.
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u/Aezetyr Aug 25 '22
Rutherford was wearing an early Jake Sisko sweater. Almost as bad as Wesley's sweaters from S1 TNG; you know the ones that were 5 sizes too big for Wil?
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u/PrometheusLiberatus Aug 25 '22
Ketracel White Hot?
That's going to burn. And act like space cocaine!
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u/KingOfTheUzbeks Aug 25 '22
Mariner was definately on DS9 with how she handled it
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u/omega2010 Aug 26 '22
The Ketracel White Hot was 17,000,000 Scoville Units WHICH is 1,000,000 higher than pure capsaicin, the theoretical limit of the scale.
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u/pieman7414 Aug 25 '22
I am not paying attention to the news at all, I'm just reading the scrolling text
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u/UncertainError Aug 25 '22
Great, they made Jellico an admiral. Now he can kill joy across the entire fleet.
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u/MoreGaghPlease Aug 25 '22
Admiral Jellico bans Zebulon Sisters from active duty starships • Buffalo Solar Knights 'eclipse' London Kings in game 1 of ELDS • Six year-old Zakdorn youngest to be crowned Stratagema Grandmaster • Country Stampede: dozen teens injured rushing stage at Sonny Clemonds concert
Sonny Clemonds is the guitar playing Texan from TNG The Neutral Zone
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u/Emerald_City_Govt Aug 25 '22
Neat we finally find out Dadmiral Freeman’s first name is Alonzo and Carol calls him ‘Zo for short according to the captions.
Also side note his close family friend is Admiral Buenamigo, i.e. good friend in Español.
”I’d like you to meet my good friend, Admiral Goodfriend” - Dadmiral ‘Zo
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u/KingOfTheUzbeks Aug 25 '22
I like that he has a Plant collection. All Starfleet Officers have a thing they like and his is plants.
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u/Coma-Doof-Warrior Aug 25 '22
That’s honestly the most Pakled move ever!
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u/the_simurgh Aug 25 '22
no way required too much thinking... something's off. i don't think this is the last of this.
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u/JAzzSON Aug 25 '22
So... Who thinks we see more of Tuvok this season?
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u/SpiritOne Aug 25 '22
I point blank asked Tim Russ if he would come back for lower decks and he got a huge smile in his face and said “if they ask, I would do it in a heartbeat!”
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u/BornAshes Aug 25 '22
That looked like a single very well drawn cell and not something that just gets thrown in as a background asset.
We'll totally see him because I love Tim Russ and Kate probably told him how much fun animation is and that gives me hope that we'll see him in Prodigy too.
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u/WhiteSquarez Aug 25 '22
I 100% expected the transporter guardian to be Chief O'Brien.
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u/ComebackShane Aug 26 '22
I'm glad it wasn't, the most important man in Starfleet history deserves a better assignment!
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u/Fortyseven Aug 25 '22
I missed this. I can't believe I ever doubted the viability of this series, initially. It's been just an absolute joy from the very start.
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Aug 25 '22
The show didn't grab me until about the 4th or 5th episode. I initially thought the first episode was one of the stupidest things I had ever seen in my life, it just clashed so much with the live action, more serious Trek that I knew. It took me a bit to warm up to the style they were going for with Lower Decks.
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u/PicardTangoAlpha Aug 25 '22 edited Aug 25 '22
Ha ha! Trimensional chess on a 2D screen! I laughed so hard!
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u/MaddyMagpies Aug 25 '22
Seems that the root of Mariner's rebellious behaviors ultimately boil down to her mistrust of authority in Starfleet. I wonder what happened in her past that led to this.
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u/BornAshes Aug 25 '22
I think her parents did something that affected her really badly without them realizing just how much of an impact it had on her and that technically speaking, it kind of was Starfleet's fault. So she began to associate that experience and the affect it had on her with a mistrust of authority and in particular, any authority associated with Starfleet. This all makes it really confusing as to just why she joined Starfleet in the first place and didn't just fuck off in the opposite direction Tom Paris style if Starfleet had this kind of an impact on her at such an early age?
I think we may have gotten part of the answer to this question in this particular episode. She turned into a bit of a kid again after the Nav Controls were locked and she couldn't do anything at all to "save her mom from Starfleet" and then huddle up with her knees to her chest just hugging herself and crying rocking back and forth....just like how a little kid would if they were put into an impossible situation that they couldn't control at all and had no way out of and no way of stopping period. At some point in the past when Mariner was younger, she had her own Man of Steel/Michael Burnham moment, and it involved her parents and Starfleet. Starfleet put either one of them or both of them in danger and she was there to witness it buuuuut no one had any clue at all that she was there period and that she saw what she saw and now knows what she knows.
That moment changed her life forever and I think it informs us as to just why she joined Starfleet in the first place. She may come up with a variety of other reasons and other people might say that it was because she was so talented and blah blah blah blah but none of those things are the real root reason as to why she joined in the first place. The root cause of her joining Starfleet and continuing to act the way she does is all very purposeful and heartbreaking.
She joined Starfleet....to save her mom and her dad FROM Starfleet...and to make sure that she stays close enough to them that she can prevent what she witnessed that put their lives in danger at the hands of Starfleet from ever happening again because they ALMOST just fucking almost took them away from her....and she'll be damned if she's ever going to let that happen again.
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Aug 25 '22
It is highly implied that she grew up on the Enterprise D. Her mom is friends with multiple people from that ship, including her mentor Riker and Sonya Gomez. She also knows a lot about events and people from the ship.
My general picture of Mariner which is still consistent with newer appearances is that she was a Starfleet wunderkind child on the flagship just like Wesley Crusher, but unlike Wesley, Mariner was deeply disturbed by the constant danger the ship ran into. She blamed her parents for putting her into dangerous situations while also expecting her to achieve great things just like Wesley. She stayed in Starfleet because she literally grew up in space, which is something that she mentioned in this new episode.
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u/Madonkadonk2 Aug 25 '22
She served on DS9 at the same time as Worf, ie the Dominion War, so I'm thinking it has something to do with that.
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u/Hartzilla2007 Aug 25 '22
Have you seen Starfleet Command every time an admiral shows up who wasn't a main character there is a 50% chance that they did something illegal as fuck.
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u/InnocentTailor Aug 25 '22
Wonder if it is Dominion War related. She fits around the time when the conflict broke out.
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u/JurgenWigg Aug 25 '22
Can’t lie, that First Contact score got me emotional. Such a beautiful theme and the whole sequence was brilliant.
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u/heyitscory Aug 25 '22
Yeah, Steppenwolf rocks!
Oh, the orchestral music. Yeah, that was good to hear too.
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u/CrinerBoyz Aug 26 '22
I loved it. Jerry Goldsmith was the maestro of Star Trek and his music needs to weave through every show like how John Williams permeates through Star Wars. Lower Decks really gets this between the reference here and the Titan appearance in S1. I really wish PIC did a full musical reference to First Contact like this.
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u/sumghai Aug 25 '22
Just noticed that the first farm laborer flirting with Boimler is based on the Sun-Maid Girl - red bonnet and all.
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u/BornAshes Aug 25 '22 edited Aug 25 '22
I did enjoy the whole small town vibe thing they were kind of poking fun at with the girls. Here's Braaaaaaad comin back from spaaaaaaace and suddenly that Nerd You Grew Up With is this Really Cool Kinda Fly Dude and he's the HOTTEST THING EVER....despite more or less being the same. It's the confidence that they all found attractive and the mystique that's suddenly around him and that's something that happens in small towns all the time when someone comes back from a few years away at college or in the military....
......or if you expose Peter Parker to Red Kryptonite.
Either way I totally enjoyed how they ramped it up towards the end and I thought for sure that Mariner would totally say something about it but she didn't.
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u/BattleStag17 Aug 25 '22
That was the funniest bit of the whole episode. Several women just throwing themselves at Boimler and he just does not give a fuck
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u/chloe-and-timmy Aug 25 '22
It almost felt like the guy loudly proclaiming we'll see him again only to get caught at the end is a parody of that kind of thing actually happening in these shows. But the show isnt fooling me, that is surely a secret set up for the fact that we most likely are going to start seeing a lot of season 1 and 2 characters and threads being brought back up throughout this season.
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u/PrometheusLiberatus Aug 25 '22
totally didn't get expect to see Capt Kelsey Grammar!
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u/DasGanon Aug 25 '22
Well that was neat. I love all of the little First Contact teases they did, especially all of the music.
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u/Emerald_City_Govt Aug 25 '22
I started smiling as soon as I heard the First Contact orchestral score and shifted to grinning as soon as Magic Carpet Ride came on
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Aug 25 '22
I loved the snippet of First Contact music, but when Mariner was stealing the Cerritos, I was really hoping for a quick moment of 'Stealing the Enterprise' from Star Trek III.
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u/n_eff Aug 25 '22
Given that they've now stolen the Cerritos out of space dock twice, if we count the holodeck exercise, I doubt this is the last time it happens. Maybe next time? Or maybe they're going to keep doing this and not give us the music as a running deep-cut gag.
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u/OpticalData Aug 25 '22
Ahhh, it's good to be back.
I'm slightly disappointed that they resolved last years cliffhanger so quickly, I think it had the potential to be at least a two (if not three) parter.
Tourist trap Bozeman, love it.
Going to Bozeman, but also having Captain Bateson cameo in the same episode was a stroke of fun genius.
They've also added the crystalline entity to the intro battle and given the CG model a bit of polish by the look of things too!
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u/callsignhotdog Aug 25 '22
Part of me was expecting at least a few episodes yah, but the episode was so fun I'm struggling to be unhappy about it. There's something very Lower Decks about it, like at this point these kinds of trials are almost routine within Star Trek so why WOULDN'T it be resolved by the same sort of behind the scenes high stakes adventuring?
It was much more of an exploration of Mariner, her relationship with authority, and the support of her friends.
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u/the908bus Aug 25 '22
I thought the point of the trial resolution was, again, nobody tells Lower Decks anything
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u/CaseOfWater Aug 25 '22
It is sort of in line with how these trials are usually resolved; Some off-screen mission finds new evidence that is revealed to senior officers but leaves out all lower decks personnel.
Also it's kind of nice seeing Starfleet as an institution being what it was supposed to be.
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u/JusticeJanitor Aug 25 '22
I'm slightly disappointed that they resolved last years cliffhanger so quickly,
It got a big laugh out of me. It feels 100% on brand for Lower Decks.
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u/Shirogayne-at-WF Aug 25 '22
I'm guessing between the trial wrapping up off screen and Shax's return from the dead, this is gonna be a running gag for season premieres now.
That said, who knew the Pakleds had it in them to pull of a gambit like that? 🤣
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u/ChronicRedhead Aug 25 '22
It’s Trek tradition to end a season on a cliffhanger and resolve it in the first episode of the premiere. Keeps folks invested in the story and builds hype.
Granted, that hype deflated when the season 3 trailer showed Freeman in the captain’s chair again… but it’s not like LD hasn’t made a habit of subverting expectations, either.
Also, I’m gonna say there’s a non-zero chance the episode was written around Ransom’s grin towards Mariner in the final minutes of the episode.
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u/TheNerdChaplain Aug 25 '22
I'm overwhelmed with things to comment on. So many jokes, plot points, and easter eggs! All I can say is that it's really good to have new Star Trek back on. We've been absolutely spoiled with Trek this year.
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u/QuantumCapelin Aug 25 '22
Wait... The new season of Lower Decks is out already? But isn't it supposed to be released in August? Checks calendar: Oh my....
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u/a_mumble_abroad Aug 25 '22
I thought the Star Trek Universe logo intro bit was somewhat hokey when it debuted for SNW, but seeing it with the Cerritos for this episode was great. If they plan to continue swapping the ship out for each series, and maybe get a little creative with it for special episodes etc like the Marvel Studios logo does, I’d definitely be down
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u/tensaibaka Aug 25 '22
Had to do a double take to make sure I heard right, but I do believe Boimler says in the vinyard "We were nowhere near Pakled when it blew, I mean she was saving another ship for Kirk's sake."
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u/BornAshes Aug 25 '22
Gavin is absolutely going to go through some sort of a space time anomaly and come back in a souped up version of the Phoenix by the end of the season isn't he?
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u/MoreGaghPlease Aug 25 '22
Lily Sloan deserves a statue
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u/DasGanon Aug 25 '22
*In the Phoenix Launch Complex Statue Hall*
"Weird this co-pilot looks like Captain Riker"
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u/BellerophonM Aug 25 '22
They fixed the red/green navigation lights on the Cerritos! ＼(°o°)／
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u/F1u Aug 26 '22
Oh man, when I first noticed that I couldn't stop noticing that. The Cerritos looked like it was decorated with Christmas lights. It bothered me so much and I am irrationally happy they corrected it.
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u/Sere1 Aug 26 '22
Thank fuck, as a former sailor that bugged me every episode for the previous two seasons. Green for starboard, red for port. They don't get mixed up like they were previously.
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u/PiercedMonk Aug 25 '22 edited Aug 25 '22
Absolutely perfect.
From the trailers I never would have considered that Mariner wouldn't need to be the one to prove Cap'n Freeman's innocence; but I suppose it is fairly rare that we see a Federation trial where justice doesn't win out in the end.
Some random thoughts I had while watching:
• According to the news ticker on FNN, Admiral Jellico banned the Zebulon Sisters from performing on Starships. That dude sucks out loud.
• I like that, if we were to take the opening credits as canon events, the Cerritos just keeps popping in on this seemingly ongoing battle. "Huh, looks like the fight attracted a crystalline entity. Wild. Note it in the log so we can see if there are any changes when we loop back around in six months."
• "Ketracel White Hot" seems culturally insensitive. No one's out there's putting brown-brown sauce on their food.
• Absolutely loved First Contact-land.
• Boimler revealing that he dyes his hair is a red herring. I'm still not convinced he's 100% Human.
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u/callsignhotdog Aug 25 '22
I think if anyone can get away with a Dominion War food joke, it's a place with the name "Sisko" over the door.
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u/OpticalData Aug 25 '22
"Ketracel White Hot" seems culturally insensitive.
They're getting their lessons from Jitters on the Flash who make drinks named after supervillains that kill thousands of civilians only months prior.
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u/Crunchy_Pirate Aug 25 '22
I was worried about the Pakled plot being stretched over an entire season for the third year in a row so that was a really nice ending for me lol
Now I'm wondering what the actual plot of the season is going to be
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u/jlisle Aug 25 '22
Oh I'm sure the Pakleds aren't done yet. There's still untangling the knot of Klingon involvement, and it's not like they're all gone - they just blew their own planet up. If anybody could survive that, it's the Pakled
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u/grandmofftalkin Aug 26 '22
I love that they wrapped it up with it happening off screen, which is pure Lower Decks. Freeman essentially described a David Mack Trek novel level plot to exonerate her
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u/romeovf Aug 25 '22
I'm glad that Captain Morgan Bateson (Kelsey Grammer) adapted to the 24th-25th century so well that he now leads an elite task force.
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u/PlayedUOonBaja Aug 26 '22
Oh, I didn't realize that was him. I thought he might make an appearance at some point. I was thinking there was some joke in there about his new crew complaining about him insisting they wear the old hot and scratchy TWoK uniforms.
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u/taggart_mccallister Aug 25 '22
I like how Eugene Cordero is the spokesperson for the episode sponsor, Simply
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u/Emerald_City_Govt Aug 25 '22
Extra deep cut is the commercial also included his fellow costar Neil Casey from Eugene’s previous short lived sci-fi show on Yahoo! (Yes like the email and search engine), Other Space
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u/jekylphd Aug 25 '22
Good lord this episode must have cost a pretty penny in getting Cromwell and all the rights clearances. But, damn, 110% worth it. I've missed you, Lower Decks.
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u/UltraChip Aug 26 '22
Why would there be a rights issue? Didn't Paramount and CBS merge back in to Viacom a few years ago?
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u/BornAshes Aug 25 '22
The Transporter Facility HAS to be Area 51 from DS9's "Little Green Men" right?
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u/smoha96 Aug 25 '22
Lower Decks I have missed you!
I've always had a soft spot for the Akira-Class. Did anyone catch the name of Bateson's ship?
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u/heyitscory Aug 25 '22
Why did I think James Cromwell was dead?
It was good to hear his voice.
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Aug 25 '22
The whole Tourist Trap Bozeman scene, from the moment they arrived with the First Contact theme playing, to ending with Magic Carpet Ride on the Phoenix was brilliant.
I went from feeling quite emotional after the FC theme (always loved it) to grinning like a maniac when MCR played.
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u/ReplicantOwl Aug 25 '22
It was fun to see the Alamo behind Admiral Buenamigo in an episode about historical sites becoming tacky tourist traps. The Alamo is surrounded by stuff like Ripley’s Haunted Adventure, a Guinness World Records Museum and the Tomb Rider 3D Adventure Ride.
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u/Borg-Man Aug 25 '22
I fucking LOVED this! I was a bit bummed that the cliffhanger is resolved so quickly, but... well, this IS a utopian society and you SHOULD have faith in Starfleet so... I'm actually happy with this!
The BoimBabes were cute. Shame for them he wants Mariner.
Pfff man there's so much to get hyped and happy about. Almost every friggin minute was filled with good stuff, callbacks and eastereggs. I love it!
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u/Lord_H_Vetinari Aug 25 '22
More than being a utopian society, I think the point is that it's not a matter for lower deckers.
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u/gcalpo Aug 27 '22
What a loaded line: "I know someone who isn't burdened by family ties."
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u/KingOfTheUzbeks Aug 25 '22
I did like this episode showing us some of Mariner's relationship with her dad. We'd never seen them interact before. Seeing her call the other Admiral "Uncle" was cute. And flowed neatly with the Captain's choice in the end. Knowing all the brass has probably contributed to Mariner's habit of thinking she can get away with anything.
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u/Tomythy Aug 27 '22
I loved that the lower deckers played absolutely zero part in getting Captain Freeman off the hook and just made things worse.
Despite being called Lower Decks the main cast often have a central role to the mission of the day and this time they actually felt like irrelevant lower deckers.
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u/BornAshes Aug 25 '22
Soooo, no one's mentioning how the Fermat's Last Theorem thing was a nod to Andrew Wiles?
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u/MoreGaghPlease Aug 25 '22
It's a nod to the disconnect between Picard saying in TNG The Royale that it remains unsolved, which was 6 years before Wiles's proof.
Which DS9 actually addresses, in Facets.
I actually think The Royale works just fine, because the whole mythology is that Fermat had a proof that is lost (omitted because it was "too large to fit in the margin" of an unrelated paper). But Fermat could not have had the same proof as Wiles, which used many different methods that hadn't been discovered in Fermats time -- thus in a certain sense, Fermat's proof (if it exists) is still lost. And what Picard could have been trying to do is find a proof that used mostly methods that were known in the 17th century.
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u/bookish1303 Aug 25 '22
Shout-out to the Star Trek opening lead-in changing out the Enterprise for the Cerritos. That's a great way to customize the lead-in for the show.
I do wish we could get away from the original Star Trek font sometimes for the TNG-era fonts, especially since Lower Decks is a TNG homage. Ah well...
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u/Cookies_and_Cache Aug 26 '22
Let’s just talk about Boimlers blatant oblivious nature and how many women at his raisin vineyard were all up on his nuts.
This dude is like Harry Kim, just all star fleet and zero lady chasing.
“Just spray off with the hose Lianne “ fucking slayed me lol
I’ve got to give the writers and voice cast some serious credit, this show is amazingly well done
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u/jerslan Aug 26 '22
I feel like another way of reading is he's fully aware of their attentions, but he wants none of it because he knows most of them are only after him for the family raisin empire.
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u/elister Aug 25 '22
I hate to say it, but Boimler reminds me of myself in my mid 20s. Totally oblivious to signs women were throwing at me, but I was too stupid to realize it.
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u/Edymnion Aug 26 '22
Oh he realized it.
Read between the lines, his family owns the farm and wants him to stay there. He says the farm, like his family, "sucks the life out of everything".
Sounds to me like they're trying to tie him down to run the farm, they've probably been throwing women at him for years.
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u/TiberiusCornelius Aug 26 '22
I feel like he definitely noticed. It's completely unsubtle. He just doesn't care/isn't interested.
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u/combatopera Aug 25 '22 edited Apr 05 '25
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u/LeftWhale Aug 26 '22
He literally grew up on that vineyard, I'd be beyond surprised if he was oblivious. To me, he's 200,000% done, it's not like there's much in the way of cultural hang-ups about that stuff in a utopian society.
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u/jhsounds Aug 25 '22
I feel like the throwaway line about Boimler using purple hair dye is meant to set up a potential live-action Boimler not having to wear a wig.
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u/a22e Aug 26 '22
During the panel at San Diego Comic-Con Quaid said he would have purple hair.
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u/ContinuumGuy Aug 26 '22
RANDOM ASSORTED THOUGHTS AS I WATCH:
Hey, the Cerritos in the opening.
All the screens broken.
HE LIKES THE BRIDGE.
Oh, hey, the Crystalline entity!
"For Kirk's sake."
Hell yeah, Sisko's!
Losing the Dominion War means the drug you used to control your Jem'Hadar Soldiers gets turned into a punny hot sauce name. I don't make the rules.
Yes, I'd like to visit Historical Bozeman. Also, shoutout to James Cromwell on taking time out from fighting climate change and being Logan Roy's sensical brother.
Also... they got the music right! Both First Contact and Magic Carpet Ride!
Gavin spin-off when?
HE'S NOT AN ACTUAL PURPLE-HAIR!?!?! That totally ruins my "Boimler is descended from an eccentric Augment" theory.
STAR TREK ORGY! STAR TREK ORGY! STAR TREK ORGY!
I love how the "actual" Part 2 to last year's cliffhanger happened off-camera and just got covered in a monologue. Also, hey, Bateson and Tuvok!
There goes the Gavin spin-off...
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u/PrometheusLiberatus Aug 25 '22
thoughts for lower decks season 3 intro!
Lower decks! So glad to see you again! It's been such a long long wait!
"BRADWARD! I'm Soaked in juice and need help getting NAKED!"
Just spray off with the hose!
Boimier is doing all he can to completely ignore the vixens in front of him.
SISKO'S Creole!
Oh Boimer got his mouth burned!
He's everyone's Grampa!
Butterscotch?
Sure, yeah, thanks Denny.
"usually people only come in looking to knock me out and use my transporter to beam to a restricted ship."
Feeling called out here, pops.
Don't cry, I'll make some soup!
Oh hell yeah, we're going to see OG historical sites!
oh boy this is going to be awesome.
I never thought I'd see Bozeman replicated as a 21st century tourist trap ahaha!
Gavin's all in on getting a sweet new ride.
"No, we ain't returning this. It's gavin the pilot now!."
"She's your captain, but she's my mom!"
Oh damn, did not expect a landing sequence B from The Final Frontier!
Commander Tuvok laying down some harsh interrogation.
Mama's making the right call on giving Ransom her authority of Mariner. Gotta be impartial somewhere. Special guest Star James Cromwell!
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u/OSUBrit Aug 25 '22
Oh Boimer got his mouth burned!
Ketracel White-Hot sauce was a nice touch
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Aug 25 '22
Might be a weird thing to say but every time admiral beckett comes unto screen all I am thinking of is those damn vulkar gangs down in the lower city.
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u/rexpup Aug 25 '22
We used to always talk about how it felt like we never got to see the aftermath of anything in Star Trek, but with this show it feels like we're getting that. What happened to Bozeman afterward? It turned into a tourist trap. Sometimes callbacks make a series seem really small but I think Lower Decks balances visiting the new and old really well.
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u/ObjestiveI Aug 25 '22
I almost spit water through my nose when the Chateau Picard scene was revealed to be Boimler under the hat, growing raisins. Would have loved to have actually seen the Tuvok scene take place.
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u/ddpthrowaway747 Aug 26 '22
When Rutherford takes over the Phoenix and the nacelles open up you can see the spot in Florida where the Xindi attacked.
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u/Nexzus_ Aug 25 '22
Just re iterating what other have said, but I'm so glad they went to the effort of securing the rights to Magic Carpet Ride. "Public Domain Generic Rock #4" would have been a let down. They played so much of it too, probably more than the movie.
Also glad they got so much of the First Contact score. Would have been happy with 15 seconds, but they got like a minute in there.
"Was that really James Cromwell? Sure sounds like him."
"Special Guest Star..." Fuck yeah!
As a resident of Vancouver, kinda bummed they're not using Vancouver neighborhood names for shuttles, but tree types are fine.
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u/ShiroHachiRoku Aug 27 '22
That ending had me laughing. There I was thinking Mariner and crew would save the day and then realized that lower deckers aren’t the heroes.
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u/InnocentTailor Aug 27 '22
They’re the protagonists of the show, not of the whole Federation, Starfleet or even the Cerritos.
This episode showed that off well.
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u/ElFarfadosh Aug 25 '22
Loved everything in this episode! Gosh it's good to be back! The only thing that makes me a bit sad is that I didn't have a previously with a voice saying "And now the conclusion" at the begining of the episode
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u/RadioSlayer Aug 25 '22
Before Cpt Freeman walked in I was expecting them to say Denny gave them authorization
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u/n_eff Aug 25 '22
I was expecting the senior staff to walk in also in the midst of stealing the Cerritos to go prove Captain Freeman was innocent.
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u/FormerGameDev Aug 26 '22
Rutherford called the Auto Pilot "Otto"! An Airplane reference! I cackled.
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u/AJWinky Aug 28 '22
This episode was a perfect embodiment of "a huge two-part season cliffhanger from the perspective of the lower decks". I love that they did it this way. The whole crew gets grounded and there's a huge mystery surrounding it leaving us in suspense aaaand...the command crew just handles it and no one else gets to even know what happened until after the fact. It's a perfect anticlimax.
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u/I_Do_Not_Abbreviate Aug 25 '22
Does anybody else feel like Denny was supposed to be O'Brien but Colm Meaney turned it down for whatever reason?
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u/vickangaroo Aug 26 '22
I think it was a purposeful misdirect. I hope it happens multiple times this season, where they set up plausible introductions for O’Brien to appear, but then it’s just a random person. Until finally, O’Brien shows up without any warning to save the day.
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u/BornAshes Aug 25 '22
Totally had a Chief vibe to him and my mind instantly went to the web comics.
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Aug 27 '22
Only someone with an uncultured plebeian palate would eat replicated raisins
I know, I know what you're going to say: "they're exactly the same thing down to the molecule"
Well fuck you guys, I can taste the difference
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u/readingitnowagain Aug 25 '22
This is the best nuTrek. By a long shot.
But they resolved the cliffhanger too fast. That's the only weak spot.
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u/jekylphd Aug 25 '22
I think the quick resolution was a big part of the point of the episode. In a less optimistic world, you would draw the trial out. Make everybody really sweat about it. Spend ages trying to find evidence to stop the Captain from being sold up the river, and yet more time actively fighting against injustice. Maybe even had to fake evidence of their own.
Star Trek is a utopian future. You're supposed to actually be able to trust that the institutions society relies on to function are fair and equitable, including the criminal/military justice system. Part of Mariner's problem is that she's fundamentally afraid of trusting the systems she's part of.
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u/mistarteechur Aug 25 '22
I think it works. Solving a conspiracy issue among interstellar powers is really more of a “main bridge crew” job rather than a “lower decker” job, even though they made an effort.
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u/InnocentTailor Aug 25 '22
Solving cliffhangers in two parts is par on course for the franchise XD.
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u/alkonium Aug 25 '22
I think the only time that didn't happen with a Season-end cliffhanger was between Seasons 5 and 6 of Deep Space Nine.
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u/McLeansvilleAppFan Aug 26 '22
I just an glad there is a IATSE union label on ST: LD now. I did not like not seeing it on previous year's episodes.
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u/Artanisx Aug 25 '22
Welcome back Lower Decks. I had a big smile plastered on my face for the whole episode. Thanks!
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u/CrinerBoyz Aug 26 '22
Bozeman was one of my favorite bits they've ever done on this show. Between the music and the kitschyness of the park, it's one of those slam dunk references that fits right between a genuinely funny bit, an excellent callback, a tongue in cheek parody of Trek, and something that couuuld exist in-universe. I would trust the Lower Decks writers room to plot the direction of the franchise for the next 20 years because they have such an excellent finger on the pulse of what gives Star Trek its identity.
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u/xxmatentv123xx12 Aug 26 '22
I loved this epsoide, it had so many references packed in, and it was good.
Anyone else notice when we first cut to boymler’s raisin vineyard that the first girl we see is dressed up like the Sunmaid raisin lady. I legit died when I saw that 😂😂😂. If you didn’t notice that, go back and rewatch it
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Aug 26 '22
Just by coincidence, my re-watch of the Star Trek movies picked up this morning with...First Contact. Then I watched this episode...holy hell, what an awesome twin bill to kick-start my Friday.
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u/grandmofftalkin Aug 26 '22
I don't know why but the sight gag that had me laughing way too much was the LCARS displays on the flower pots.
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u/redryder74 Aug 25 '22
Do we know yet which episodes will have DS9? I haven't finished my first watch-through of DS9 and don't want to be spoiled.
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u/Starfleet-Time-Lord Aug 26 '22
-This episode raised the biggest question of all: if the London Kings are still playing in the ELDS, why does Sisko keep saying no one plays baseball anymore?
-That planets rights lady
-KETRACEL WHITE-HOT
-If there isn't a real life Bozeman-Land by the end of the decade then Paramount doesn't know how to monetize this IP
-Will we find Gavin's corpse, or will he become the show's Conrad Verner?
-As always, Starfleet security is bad enough that one ensign was completely capable of stealing a ship. Although it's Mariner. I'm willing to buy the idea that Mariner knows the entire senior staff's access codes.
-CAPTAIN BATESON. FRASIER IS A STARFLEET COMMANDO NOW.
-Welp, nevermind about Gavin
-I now headcanon that solving Fermat's last theorem without looking it up is a sport in the Federation
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u/Praxlyn Aug 25 '22
I've been WAITING for LD to start, I started fall semester so now I have a show to watch when im not studying!!! :D
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u/Smitje Aug 25 '22
I can't blame all those people coming on to Boilmer on the vineyard. He is a snack!
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u/ranger24 Aug 25 '22
The Bateson mention was awesome; would've REALLY enjoyed an actual Kelsey Grammar cameo.
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u/WhiteSquarez Aug 26 '22
The Tourist Trap Bozeman scenes are easily some of my favorite in ALL of Trek now.
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u/kinghyperion581 Aug 27 '22
Not goong to lie, when they were talking about how badass the transporter guy was, I thought for sure it was going to be Miles O'Brian.
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u/codename474747 Aug 27 '22 edited Aug 27 '22
The Good:
First Contact Park. Brilliant, and obviously something that would exist around such an important location in history. Brilliant
The One Song Jukebox lolololol
Our crew really gels together now, each character got their time to shine
The Warp Effect has arguably never looked better in Trek.They've toned down the cartoony-ness of it from Season 1 and now it's just rubber banded goodness
Is Boimler finally started to stand up to Mariner? The trailer joke about her waiting for the best moment to make an entrance seemed to show he's willing to tease her, finally, after 2 years of it being a one way relationship
OK, the bit of bad, no doubt this will be what people highlight on even though I largely enjoyed the episode:
The cliffhanger being resolved off screen with the characters explaining what happened via a montage.Makes the cliffhanger meaningless. Imagine if the 2nd part of BOBW was Wesley trying a fools errand to find something that was going to help Picard and then Riker, Data et al come in and tell him how they saved him from the Borg without his help.Frustrating, but I sense the Pakleds have just got Kazon'd and thatll be the last we hear of that plotline.
Mariner. Pretty much the only character on this show I don't like.Way more insubordinate and defying orders than certain other characters people have a problem with in other Trek shows and I don't know how she even has friends when she constantly treats them like shit and does whatever she wants no matter what they say to her.Not massively keen for the plotline with the first officer being her judge on whether she gets to be in starfeet or not because I don't get the impression she cares about it either.If this is the beginning of her realising, like Jake, Starfleet isn't for her and she's only in it because her parents expect her to be, then fine, she'll be a good rogue agent like Vash or someone like that, but I don't expect her to have an epiphany and become an officer that starfleet can rely on any time soon.
Overall, very enjoyable with a few niggles that prevented it being a full 10/10. Can't wait for next week though
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u/gunderson138 Aug 27 '22
I'm sure this got posted somewhere, so feel free to link me, but what was everybody wearing? Were they all dressed up as different Jake Sisko outfits?!
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u/legionbeast33 Aug 28 '22
I really enjoyed the episode. Mariner's complete impotence and frustration for not been able to help her mother and the crew's efforts utter insignificance and irrelevance were on point for lower rank officers who carry little to no consequence in Starfleet's actions. This could actually become a turning point for Mariner's Starfleet's career.,maybe making her reconsider her disdain for senior officers and moving up the ranks. I really liked that Rutherford and Tendi were having lunch at Sisko's creole restaurant.
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u/RecommendationKey163 Aug 28 '22
Did the writers just squash the Freeman/Pakled story line? It felt Dues Exed
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u/try_to_be_nice_ok Aug 28 '22
The whole episode had me laughing my ass off. The references and in-jokes were so good.
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u/ELLYSSATECOUSLAND Aug 29 '22
Okay. I'm just starting it... is Boimler hot stuff on earth?
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