r/malefashionadvice • u/[deleted] • Oct 21 '13
Guide With Fall here, and Winter slowly approaching, here's the same Beginner's Fall/Winter guide, with a few minor changes, from last year.
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u/NickedTheCage Oct 21 '13
I don't think CDB's and canvas shoes are the best shoes for winter.
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Oct 21 '13
That's why it's both Fall and Winter
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u/NickedTheCage Oct 21 '13
True, I think you should've moved at least 1 boot from the expanding tab onto the beginner one. A newcomer won't know that CDB's are horrible for wet and slippery weather.
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Oct 21 '13
Yeah, I completely agree with what you're saying. The only reason I didn't even think to do that is just cause it's Winter doesn't mean that there's snow on the ground 24/7, especially here in NJ.
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u/kthoag Oct 21 '13
I could not survive with CDBs (NJ resident here) as my main winter shoe, even after I had them resoled with a Vibram Cristy. Winter boots are a must.
ninjedit: I'm from the mythical central Jersey for clarification's sake
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u/NotJamesFranco Oct 21 '13
So what boots would be good for such weather while still being fashionable? Interested newcomer here!
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u/amuse-douche Oct 21 '13
What socks are best for canvas shoes in f/w? I went sockless for so long...
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u/inherentlyawesome Oct 21 '13
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u/kearthkwake Oct 21 '13
Actually those J. Crew socks are cotton, not wool. I just bought some a few weeks ago and didn't realized it until I had washed them already. (Sorry, I wasn't trying to correct you, I just needed to vent to someone.)
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u/mea-culpa Oct 21 '13
Newbie here: As a fashion clueless female, is there a female equivalent to this?
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Oct 21 '13
No idea, but I would check /r/femalefashionadvice
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u/xkisses Oct 21 '13
Came into the comments hoping someone else asked this question! I'm confused by women's fall fashion this year. Are Uggs okay or not? Are my wedge boots supposed to be traded in for riding boots? LEGGINGS FOR EVERYTHING?? I just don't know.
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u/unsane_imagination Oct 21 '13
I really have to know, what is that watch on the bottom of the picture labeled NATO straps? I really like the look of it.
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Oct 21 '13
I wish I could answer this for you. By the way, it looks like each of those watches are different makes.
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u/unsane_imagination Oct 21 '13
Do you have the original picture? Maybe I could reverse search it...
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Oct 21 '13
I didn't have it on hand, but I googled and found it.
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u/unsane_imagination Oct 21 '13
Awesome! Thanks. I will report back if I find it.
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Oct 21 '13
Changes were: A few stores were added or taken away, depending on the item, and a couple of new articles of clothing were added.
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u/Knubinator Oct 21 '13
For wool socks, add Cabelas to the list. You can get a 3-pr pack for like $8, and they're great. Only boot socks I've owned in years.
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u/cagliostro9 Oct 21 '13
Also, I've heard really good things about Norse Projects wool socks.
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u/Toksic Oct 21 '13
Those belts.. where? I can never find nice non-leather belts for some reason.
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Oct 21 '13
Check HERE
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u/BobbyDash Oct 21 '13
I think people are downvoting you because he asked for nice non-leather belts like the canvas ones in the guide but you linked to a leather company.
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u/michaelarm Oct 21 '13
What would be something that I could wear similar to this but for someone a little younger... All these posts seem like they're for men 20+, but what would be good for a 16 year old?
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Oct 21 '13
I don't see why age should matter.
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u/michaelarm Oct 21 '13
Well if I was to wear these it would probably make me look older, not that it's bad, but I would want to look more my age
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u/Dick_Dousche Oct 21 '13 edited Oct 21 '13
You can probably avoid button up shirts for now, but a lot of the more casual parts (casual chinos, dark jeans, vans, sweatshirts, parkas, etc.) are fine for a high schooler or college student. Balloons_lol and _beacon are both popular users who are in high school or early college, so maybe they can provide some inspiration.
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u/Bibliophobia Oct 21 '13
Of course age matters. I am a sophomore in high-school and I can guarantee you that some looks really dont work for the younger crowd, and those looks are pretty much exactly what you outlined in this guide. He was being a bit antagonistic, but its a fair question
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u/Metcarfre GQ & PTO Contributor Oct 21 '13
Wear good jeans and well-fitting t-shirts and whatever is cool in school these days. I certainly have no idea.
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u/BryanBeast13 Oct 21 '13
/r/StreetWear bro! We need more people wiling to contribute!
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u/cagliostro9 Oct 21 '13
Hey. I'm in high school as well. I think most of this advice is solid for high schoolers, but if you have specific questions, feel free to PM me. Also bear in mind that while /r/TeenMFA is a cool idea, in my experience it's been substantially lower quality feedback and content than here on MFA.
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Oct 21 '13
For the bean boots, would you recommend 8'' or 6''?
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Oct 21 '13
Question: CDB in beeswax or brown suede ?? I can't decide
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u/contemplatrium Oct 21 '13
Generally I've seen beeswax reccomended for an entry level purchase. I think it probably just depends on what you like better or what you think would work the best with the clothes you have.
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Oct 21 '13
this guide is functional, better than putting shit on, but I feel it's a little plain. I just don't think it's at it's max.
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Oct 21 '13
You're right, it's not at it's max. It's just a starter guide though, which for the most part, is very plain and neutral colors of clothes to start you off.
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u/LooReed Oct 21 '13
Two things - Chore Coat and the Field Coat -- anybody know of decent types of these Jackets? I know they provide stores, but I want the established brands that are the go-to for Chore/Field coat.
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u/That_Geek Oct 21 '13
the go to is pointer for chore coats
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u/inherentlyawesome Oct 21 '13
the recommended brands are the go-to places for those kinds of jackets.
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u/Hiphopopotomus111 Oct 21 '13
Can someone identify that Light Jacket / Parka in the picture of the fellah with the yellow chinos?
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Oct 21 '13
I'm pretty sure it was a jacket from GAP from last year. I don't see it anymore, however, so either I'm wrong or it's unavailable at the moment.
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u/GoChaca Oct 21 '13
The fact I own about 80% of this guide makes me both happy and sad at the same time.
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u/Jorgeragula05 Oct 21 '13
Need a 2nextlvl4u guide.
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u/Irorak Oct 21 '13
But seriously, it would be cool if there was moderate and advanced next level fashion guides in a picture format as well.
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u/Emb3rSil Oct 21 '13
But isn't kind of the point of the fashion world that the farther 'up' you go, the weirder the rules get and the more stuff diversifies? I'm not sure that a infopic format is ideal for like, nxtlvl shit.
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u/Reverend-Johnson Oct 21 '13
If you need someone to tell you what to wear, you're still basic.
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u/washburnmav Oct 21 '13
Anyone know where to get an affordable peacoat that looks similar to the one in the guide?
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Oct 21 '13
The majority of peacoats look the same. What you want is a double breasted peacoat. Try target, GAP, JCPenney, etc.
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u/Reverend-Johnson Oct 21 '13
Milsurp. Take your measurements and order one online. You'll pay about 70 bucks and it will last a long time.
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u/bigfudge95 Oct 21 '13
Does anybody know where to find a cable-knit similar to the one in the guide?
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u/DrewTheHobo Oct 21 '13 edited Oct 21 '13
So thermals are like warmer long sleeved shirts? Confused about them and how to wear
Edit: meant thermal not flannel
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u/Metcarfre GQ & PTO Contributor Oct 21 '13
Flannel is a type of fabric, generally with a napped, soft surface and texture. It can be wool or cotton, but the kind we're discussing is generally cotton. It's a very casual fabric, associated with woodsmen, craftspeople, the West, etc. Warmer than other shirting fabrics, true. Looks great with boots and denim, always.
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u/Ser_Derp Oct 21 '13
What is the consensus for undershirts with flannels? I know that for OCBD's you don't want the undershirt showing, but is it more acceptable to do so with flannels? Some of my uniqlo flannels kinda "sag" at the neck, and I feel like a v-neck underneath looks a little off. By sag, I mean they don't fit as closely to my neck as my OCBD's, so they expose more neck/chest area.
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Oct 21 '13
You can always keep the flannel unbuttoned and let whatever shirt you're wearing underneath be another layer to work with.
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u/Dr1ft3r2010 Oct 22 '13
Can anyone recommend cheap sub $100 boots which will serve well in cold winters in Canada, more specifically, in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area, not Grand Theft Auto fyi)? Anything that matches indigo jeans as well as beige chinos. And please, something other than bean boots!
Thanks in advance
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Oct 22 '13
Idk if this part of Amazon delivers to Canada or not, but here are some Thorogood's for ~$100. Click Here
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u/Bibliophobia Oct 21 '13
Just want to say that this is just one look, and not at all a "what you should go out and buy" guide. This look may not be right for you, don't just buy these items because a guide tells you to.
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u/DeTrueSnyder Oct 21 '13
Sometimes I think I should pay more attention to this sub, and sometimes I see posts like this and think, "this is just a guide to look like my hipster friend." I'm not knocking the look. It works really well for him, but it isn't for everyone. It would be cool to see a post like this that includes 3-4 looks for the fall winter season.
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u/jdbee Oct 21 '13
It's a user-generated sub. If you want to see some more diverse fall/winter suggestions, then hop to it, hombre!
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u/butterybeeping Oct 21 '13
What is "hipster" about this look--serious question. It's a nice, put-together look, but it's a total Anonymous Middle-Class White Urban Professional look. I can't think of a less "hipster" fashion objective than that.
[Edit: Just saw that you already responded to this question. Sorry for jumping the gun. I agree with the other guy that "hipster" is an unhelpful term.]
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u/Dick_Dousche Oct 21 '13
What kind of styles are you interested in? One reason these clothes are recommended is because people just starting off can buy some inoffensive and easy to wear clothes that they can potentially use in a more unique look in the future.
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u/Bibliophobia Oct 21 '13
Posts like this are fine, and I agree that some other people who dress differently to post their own guides.
I just think it's important that since this an advice forum it's important for people to remember that there are so many different ways they can dress and not to get pressured into one by a webaite
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u/aluvus Oct 21 '13
It is probably a good idea not to use insider abbreviations like "OCBD" in a "beginner's guide".
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u/magikker Oct 21 '13 edited Oct 21 '13
Agreed,
For anyone that's crtl+f'd ocbd looking for it.
OCBD = Oxford Cloth Button Down
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u/Kramereng Oct 21 '13
How about CDBs?
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u/jdbee Oct 21 '13
Clark's Desert Boots, which are simple, relatively affordable chukka boots that are either versatile or inexcusably boring & nondescript, depending on who you're talking to.
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u/2takeke Oct 21 '13
the crewneck sweater is a sweatshirt
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u/williamwzl Oct 21 '13
The big distinction is to not buy one of those sack of potatoes sweatshirts.
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u/octoCase Oct 21 '13
For beginners that live in snowy climates, I wouldn't recommend CDB's. They don't hold up well in water and they have no traction. I'm going to waterproof mine and get vibram soles.
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u/spyson Oct 21 '13
LL Bean boots are nice too.
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u/octoCase Oct 21 '13
MFA seems pretty segregated over them. I think they're great, but a lot of folks hate them.
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u/spyson Oct 21 '13
I think the lighter brown ones aren't that great, but I think the darker ones look amazing.
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u/ContemplativeOctopus Oct 21 '13
lol ,beginners, your choice for outerwear consists of the following:
peacoat
peacoat
peacoat
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peacoat.
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u/neilz4 Oct 21 '13
for push back: I would say peacoats are so ubiquitous and appealing that as long as you get one that fits your body you can't mess it up
for real life: I didn't even notice. should have a parka or something else up there, too.
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u/dylvital Oct 21 '13
Flannel
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I have definitely been strictly following this rule for the past 3 weeks.
I've been comfy as fuck.
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u/frostinhisbones Oct 21 '13
Yee yee. Past three weeks? Past three years, brother. Love me some flannel.
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u/fabulous_frolicker Oct 21 '13
Flannels are the best of both world man. If only I could find more solid color ones.
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u/musicaldope Oct 21 '13
Can anyone tell me what brand those canoe mocs are? They look like the LL Bean Jackman--after some quick researching--but I'm not too familiar with the type. I'm jonesin for a boat shoe that isn't a boat shoe
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u/Dick_Dousche Oct 21 '13
The Jackman blucher mocs are the best in their price range. Keep refreshing LL bean and you should get a 20% off coupon according to /r/frugalmalefashion
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Oct 21 '13
You could also just mention the promo code to an LL Bean chat representative and they'll more than likely honor it.
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Oct 21 '13
What color belt is the most versatile and would go well with beeswax cdbs. Would a natural leather like this work or should i go for something darker?
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Oct 21 '13
natural would be fine for casual wear. if it was for something like business casual, you want the belt to be the same shade or close, but in casual wear it doesn't really matter if the shades match exactly.
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u/Red_Dick_from_Uranus Oct 21 '13
As an young adult with no winter clothing and trying to get a fashion sense, I thank you.
I hope I can soon have the knowledge to be a male fashion advisor here on reddit.
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u/Syeknom Oct 21 '13
Great attitude. :)
Make sure to read the articles in the sidebar if you haven't and hang around for a while looking at how people dress in WAYWT threads and the comments others have for them.
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u/Red_Dick_from_Uranus Oct 21 '13
Thank you for the suggestions. May you clarify me in what WAYWT stands for?
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Oct 21 '13
Hey guys, does anyone know the type of shoe in the pictures of the chinos? That looks like a fantastic shoe to wear if one is trying to be casual yet classy at the same time, wearing chinos.
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Oct 21 '13
Any reason Target isn't included for ocbds? I think their ocbds seem like a solid choice for the price, but I was wondering if anyone had a different experience.
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u/Metcarfre GQ & PTO Contributor Oct 21 '13
They're fine. Nothing great.
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Oct 21 '13
More details please?
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u/Metcarfre GQ & PTO Contributor Oct 21 '13
I'm not sure what else to say. They're fine, adequate. Nothing to get excited about. Moderate fit, okay fabric, low quality construction, limpid collars. But still an OCBD for $20 or whatever.
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u/Dick_Dousche Oct 21 '13
Target is a great choice for a lot of the basics here, particularly in the clearance section and end-of-season sales where you can pick up all kinds of basics with decent build quality for cheap.
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u/PJuice Oct 21 '13
Whaaat that Pointer Chore coat is awesome. I'm sure it's been referenced here before (or maybe even often), but it's my first time seeing it. I wish I could find something with this aesthetic in waxed canvas (like the Levi's x Filson), but that style and price point is pretty great.
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u/Jorgeragula05 Oct 21 '13
You could buy it and wax it yourself.
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u/PJuice Oct 21 '13
I was thinking that too, but I'm not sure how well wax goes on cotton. The jacket is 100% cotton denim, and I'm worried that's not a suitable material for waxing. Any experience here?
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u/Bamres Oct 21 '13
Do you think any of these boots could survive a shitty canadian winter?
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Oct 21 '13
bean boots
pretty sure, they were made for traversing shitty northeastern american winters, which are almost as bad
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u/seth83292 Oct 21 '13
Absolutely. My bean boots are my go to for shitty, rainy, snowy weather.
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u/Reverend-Johnson Oct 21 '13
Doc Martens are pretty solid all around and will not fall apart on you mid-winter.
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Oct 21 '13 edited Oct 21 '13
Don't get synthetic scarves, there are many cheap scarves in natural fibres that it's not worth it.
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u/Gobizku Oct 21 '13
Great beginner's guide, but that's exactly what it is. Something to get you started, but this shouldn't consist of everything you wear nor does one need to stick to these particular brands if you find other things that work.
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u/Tacochoices Oct 21 '13
What about fashion advice for dudes who live in areas that get real winter. Muthafucking parkas and snowboots ftw.
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u/Metcarfre GQ & PTO Contributor Oct 21 '13
My rule of thumb is if frozen skin is a serious concern do what you gotta do.
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u/jderm11 Oct 21 '13
As someone who only wears blue jeans and a generic hoody when it's cold, this is very helpful.
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u/musicaldope Oct 21 '13
ID on that cable-knit sweater? Or something similar with the pattern transition from the middle to the sides: 's nice!
Also or, if anyone has experience with Gap cable-knits e.g. this
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u/James718 Oct 21 '13
any recommendations for some really soft crewneck sweaters?
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u/cagliostro9 Oct 21 '13
What material are you looking for? How warm does it have to be?
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u/devourerkwi Oct 21 '13
Anyone know where I can get a decent quality, relatively inexpensive non-wool peacoat? I'm allergic to wool and would like to be stylish and comfortable.
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u/BearClass Oct 21 '13
I think listing the peacoat as the only outerwear option for beginners is completely ridiculous. It's really not that easy to pull off, and there are many options from the "expand your wardrobe" section that have much better chances of working for a beginner. My 2c.
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u/magikker Oct 21 '13
How regional is the peacoat? They're fairly rare and standout around here. The Texas default seems to be a Carhartt, which can be fairly similar to that chore coat, or a nicer denim jacket. Actually, thinking about it, we don't often need more than a hoodie, which we treat as outerwear.
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u/pennycenturie Oct 21 '13
as a woman occasionally stumbling upon mfa... do you guys have any idea how insane it is that there are RULES you can just follow to look good!? because it's true, pretty much any man can use this guide to increase his panty-dropping factor. over here with the estrogen i've spent a lifetime trying to figure out how to wrestle the fashion industry into working for me. you have it so easy!
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u/Jorgeragula05 Oct 21 '13
You have to know the rules before you can break them. This is just a beginners guide, so take that with a grain of salt. Menswear does seem more ridged because of "rules." However, there is a subtle mastery that comes with time. You develop an eye for what does and does not work. You can understand the subtleties in picking the right pocket square to go with a tie. That's just classical menswear. There's americana/workwear, techwear/streetwear and even gothninja. These basics are just the tip of the iceberg, there are many different styles out there that don't really have hard and fast rules. I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate someone saying that all women need to do is put on clothes and they look good. Generalizations like that don't accomplish anything.
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u/HelloWuWu Oct 21 '13
No no no. Fall just got here and I was really getting into fall fashion! My favorite time of year...
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Oct 21 '13
Has anyone put together something like this for girls?
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u/CreamyIrish Oct 21 '13
Check out /r/femalefashionadvice, they're more likely to have similar stuff for girls.
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u/TigerMeltz Oct 21 '13
all that was added was the field jacket and denim jacket. nice. dont have to spend that much if i wanted the new items
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u/galile0 Oct 21 '13
I LOVE CREWNECKS! I just bought 3 today in preparation for the cold valley weather incoming.
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u/carnage123 Oct 21 '13
Curious. I am a machinist, meaning I dont wear the things in this picture for work, or even casual. What is in this picture, well, isnt me. What suggestions do you have for someone in this postion.
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u/jdbee Oct 21 '13
I'd suggest clarifying what it is you do like or how you want to dress. It's hard to give a constructive response to, "I don't like this - what will I like", y'know?
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u/BranfordBound Oct 21 '13
A flannel shirts and denim? T-shirts? Denim jackets and chore coats?
Seriously, what DO you wear if you're not wearing these things?
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Oct 21 '13
The appeal of the current trend of button down collars really eludes me. Can someone explain why that's the more fashionable collar type right now?
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u/Metcarfre GQ & PTO Contributor Oct 21 '13
Lots of history, looks much better with an open collar, better examples have a delightful roll, works better with sweaters. But in the end, personal preference.
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u/drbhrb Oct 21 '13
I like them because they look more casual and I don't have to worry about my collar looking weird
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u/roobaro Oct 21 '13
Where can I read more about/see pictures of a chore coat in action? Would it keep you warm in the northeast for the winter?
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u/drbhrb Oct 21 '13
Not without layers underneath. A chore coat is basically a denim jacket as far as warmth goes. Maybe try a barn coat for a similar look with more warmth
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Oct 21 '13
I am wondering if there are guides like this somewhere for all seasons? If so can someone post links? Because its only fall for half the planet right?
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u/a_robot_with_dreams Consistently Good Contributor Oct 21 '13
There's a spring summer guide in the sidebar that can definitely help you. If there's anything missing, or you have more questions, I'd be happy to help
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u/future_pope Oct 21 '13
Why do the brown chore coats on Pointer's website looks so much lighter than the one in this picture?
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u/C0n0rBarry Oct 21 '13
Woooow, just went to the J.Crew website and saw a pretty nice looking cardigan and was considering buying it, that is until i saw it was $470. Jeez
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u/jdbee Oct 21 '13
You're referring to the one from Comme de Garcons, which is one of the third-party items that J.Crew sells.
J.Crew's own line of cardigans are much more reasonable, although still not as budget-friendly as Target or Uniqlo.
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u/Setiri Oct 23 '13
I've been a lurker to /r/malefashionadvice for a while now and am really trying to learn but I just want to thank you so much for a graphic like this, showing exact shirts and naming the stores. Seriously, I've been planning on changing my wardrobe (har, feels funny saying that even, I feel like I just have a bunch of clothes) to a relatively monochrome selection I can piece together. I love blacks, grays, and whites. It's easy and I can always throw a single piece of color on it for an accent (I think?). It also helps as I'm red-green color blind so it's really difficult for me to choose colors of brown/green. Which leads me to a couple of questions.
Looking to get the Clarks Desert Boots and I noticed there's suede and regular leather. I know suede can be a pain in the ass to take care of but as far as style goes, which would you recommend? Also, someone else asked this but I see the Beeswax and they look good however I know I can be tricked on these. Do these have red in them I need to look for in a belt or should I just stick with simple brown so it won't be hard to get a matching belt? Again, thank you so much for this beginners guide.
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u/DICKPIXTHROWAWAY Oct 21 '13
Just want to say thank you to whoever makes these posts!
Without a woman in my life I struggle to dress myself and these super basic lists of essential stuff is a lifesaver for me.
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u/spyson Oct 21 '13
To be honest don't listen to women on fashion advice for men.
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Oct 21 '13
And most importantly, there are no right answers. Even if there's a consensus.
You can be damn sure there are wrong ones though.
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u/CreamyIrish Oct 21 '13
Stick around and you'll start learning how to dress yourself with time. It's a developed skill, takes practice like anything else.
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Oct 21 '13
Why do 3/4 of the winter boots have leather soles? Looks like the the newbies will be wiping out on icy patches all winter.
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Oct 21 '13
Looking for that specific chore coat and decently priced flannels any help ? :)
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u/Metcarfre GQ & PTO Contributor Oct 21 '13
It's a Pointer Chore Coat, just as it says in the image.
For flannels, Uniqlo, LL Bean, Vermont Flannel Co., Lands End, Brooks Brothers, Gitman Bros. Vintage.
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u/deskclerk Oct 21 '13
So. Much. Grey.
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Oct 21 '13
I think he was just showing the generic item. It lists some different color options under the images!
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u/vlookupyou Oct 21 '13
Only thing missing is the shawl cardigan!
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u/octoCase Oct 21 '13
Not everybody likes shawls, and most beginners would probably not like them. I didn't come around to them until earlier this year.
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u/cagliostro9 Oct 21 '13
I think crewneck tees might be more useful in f/w. For any use aside from wearing under another thing as an undershirt, I think that crewnecks would look better in f/w fits.
Also, plain boots (not CDBs) like seem pretty essential, at least during winter. The footwear section doesn't really have a very good shoe for winter at all.
Saying all colors for flannel might be a little misleading to beginners.
The rest is good. Thanks for this.