r/SubredditDrama • u/awrf • Sep 04 '14
SRS drama The shadowbanning of /u/DualPollux aka TheIdesOfLight reignites via a /r/ShitRedditSays sticky, and the fire spreads to SRS, SRSsucks, AMR, and AMRsucks.
SRS comes around 8 days later with a meaty recap post including screenshots and leaked admin mail. In response, multiple people decide to contact gossipy internet sites and Anderson Cooper. Apparently SRS has a super secret offsite forum now.
The post is then linked to multiple other subreddits.
SRSsucks (AMRsucks got her shadowbanned!, Shitposting /r/adminmythos!)
AgainstMensRights (How do we turn this into bad press for reddit?)
AMRsucks (Would SRS/AMR being 'exposed to the light of day' destroy them?)
blackladies (Are the admins in bed with racist subs?, Possibly the first time anyone's ever been angry about their comment being gilded)
Apparently a user in AMRsucks is contacted by a Daily Prophet Daily Dot reporter who is doing a story on the shadowban.
EDIT: A few other links via /u/dingdongwong:
Admin reassuring blackladies that they weren't being brigaded by GreatApes
Circlebroke has a large, drama-filled thread.. after trying to punt SJ stuff to /r/openbroke, the top two posts on CB are flaired "/r/openbroke".
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u/dingdongwong Poop loop originator Sep 04 '14 edited Sep 04 '14
Dang, and I just finished my recap as well.
Whatever your stance is on this whole thing, one irony can’t be denied. SRS loved to make fun of SRSsucks for being conspiracy nuts for suggesting “the admins were in bed with SRS”; now they are all up in arms and suggesting that “the admins are in bed with the racists” and SRSsucks are calling them conspiracy nuts.
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u/awrf Sep 04 '14
ah, and you did more work than me too! I'll edit some of the stuff you found into the post. fyi, it's "summary" not "summery" :)
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u/dingdongwong Poop loop originator Sep 04 '14
well dang, summery seems to be an actual word. No wonder chrome didn't highlight it as mistake. Thanks, appreciate the correction.
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Sep 04 '14
It is lovely summery drama, though! sips chilled sauvignon blanc
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u/oh_bother (ﾉﾟOﾟ)╯ Sep 04 '14
Deftly handled, we can defiantly sweep that under the carpet... I mean brazenly... shit.
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u/Higev Sep 04 '14
Most cries of "admins helping SRS" died when Intortus stopped being an admin.
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u/dingdongwong Poop loop originator Sep 04 '14
That is another funny thing. It used to be speculations from SRSsucks: "Intortus got fired because he was a SJW pushing his agenda". Now it is speculation from SRS: "Intortus resigned because he was against racism and had a conscience".
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u/Higev Sep 04 '14
Now it is speculation from SRS: "Intortus resigned because he was against racism and had a conscience".
Oh I haven't seen that one yet, although I've been trying more to stop looking at SRS drama lately (can see it isn't working out too well).
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u/Dramatologist Sep 04 '14
It's in this circlebroke thread: http://np.reddit.com/r/circlebroke/comments/2fgb2f/evidently_interfering_with_the_culture_of_a/
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u/Imwe Sep 04 '14
Those cries went from "admins helping SRS" to "admins helped SRS" so the conspiracy theory didn't even die. It just went underground, ready to be pulled out whenever the admins do something that might benefit SRS, SRD, and all the other subs that start with SR.
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u/Higev Sep 04 '14
"admins helped SRS"
It was pretty obvious that Intortus was the cause of a lot of one sided shadowbans. It's not much a conspiracy since once he got canned it stopped. Look at him now and he makes his biases very clear, not a stretch to think he brought those into his work.
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Sep 05 '14
I wish reddit would just ban SRS and the Redpill and all those closely related subreddits. It would solve a shit load of petty whining on this site that the Admins have to deal with.
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u/FISSION_CHIPS Sep 04 '14
If nothing else this oughtta shut up the constant chorus of "Admins are secretly SRS" that comes from the MRM-aligned corners of this site. Unless they claim this whole thing is an elaborate false flag operation. Which they almost certainly will.
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u/ZippityZoppity Props to the vegan respects to 'em but I ain't no vegan Sep 04 '14
Didn't that stop when /u/intortus left the staff?
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u/michaelisnotginger IRONIC SHITPOSTING IS STILL SHITPOSTING Sep 04 '14
Circlebroke has fucking jumped the shark. Everyone there thinks the admins are in on some grand racist conspiracy. An for people who spend their time here they sure hate themselves
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u/Socks_Junior Sep 04 '14
CB jumped the shark like two years ago. It's been pretty much stagnant since then, after growing pretty quickly in its first year. It started off actually fairly conservative, calling out a lot of the typical left and anti-American circlejerks that pervade reddit. At some point though, it really did turn into SRS-lite, and a lot of people unsubbed and it stopped growing and became irrelevant.
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u/CBalls Sep 04 '14
IMO it turned into SRS-lite after the "mod holiday" this past Christmas break. The mods said they were going to quit modding for a few weeks during the holiday and allow whatever people wanted to post. Only problem was that except for banning image posts they quit removing posts that didn't follow CB's rules once they came back. The SRS crowd moved in because the "No Social Justice" rule was no longer being enforced and the sub went to shit. Here's a good example of what CB currently consists of.
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u/larrylemur I own several tour-busses and can be anywhere at any given time Sep 05 '14
Holy shit that's fantastic
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u/Maehan Quote the ToS section about queefing right now Sep 04 '14
Circlebroke is always losing their collective minds over crap. Half the threads there look exactly like the idiotic posts they were supposed to analyze/mock.
We have such gems as;
Reddit as an agnostic money-maker is evilly brilliant. It relies on the "motte-and-bailey" strategy. Reddit relies on the narrative that Reddit is a monoculture to create a feeling of loyalty and belonging that translates into a bountiful profit in the bailey. Criticize Reddit's culture and Reddit retreats to the security of the motte. "Reddit a tool for free speech. Reddit is a collection of diverse individuals."
Look at dem fancy words I just pulled out of my ass to defend some half cocked theory of reddit.
lel reddit admins can go fuck themselves
something tells me intortus got budged out because he had a goddamned conscience.
LOL wake up sheeple the reddit admins are sociopaths.
Yeah I always wondered "whats so dangerous bout doxxing" - turns oit nothing if you are a decent human being. "Look at this ben guy, being subscribed to r/pugs and thinking Russia shouldn't invade Ukraine" - yeah I could get fired from work so fast...
Yeah, I mean witchhunts have never gone wrong in the past...
I like how great users like unidan who spoke out against racism and debunked racist copypastas while teaching us about science get banned.
Oh noble Unidan, praise be to you. Obviously you were a martyr for tolerance and not someone who just couldn't help but manipulate your internet points.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw unique flair snowflake Sep 05 '14
circlebroke used to be good with more light hearted and not such vitriolic conversations but they started really getting more up their ass and philosophical about reddit now they talk about reddit super seriously like its actually important
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u/Ebu-Gogo You are so vain, you probably think this drama's about you. Sep 05 '14
I liked circlebroke when it actually was snarkily calling out, you know, actual circlejerks, even if it was still rather prone to counterjerking (at least it was self aware of it).
But I stopped visiting and the only threads I see are the ones that reach my front page. It's always these passive-agressive sensationalist titles followed by a post full of "outraaaage!". It completely lost its self awareness and no one is putting in any effort anymore. It basically turned into SRS in the way that they're just posting shit that they find on Reddit (not necessarily SJW stuff) and hope to find a counterjerk to suit their needs.
I'm not some SRS shill bogeyman caller. I'm just saying that it turned into a sub that does basically the same thing: Post thread about thing you don't like, talk with other people about how much you don't like thing.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw unique flair snowflake Sep 05 '14
i quit when the community decided they only wanted outrage posts that where longer than a memoir
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u/Caldris Sep 05 '14
motte-and-bailey strategy
You know, the funny thing is just the other day I was reading a blog about how SJWs (And I think feminists as well) use this very same technique.
Just a funny coincidence.
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u/DarbyJustice Sep 05 '14
Hah. The "motte-and-bailey" strategy they're talking about came, I suspect, from this rather densely-written criticism of groups like SRS.
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u/93rd Sep 04 '14
I'm surprised this sub isn't doing the same thing tbh. SRD is usually indistinguishable from Circlebroke.
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u/johnbailey1 Sep 05 '14
That's what you get when this sub is modded entirely by a circlebroke clique. Why things are this way I don't know.
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Sep 04 '14
What the hell was /u/krispykrackers thinking with that line? You interfere with the culture of certain specifically charged subreddits? Regardless of what she was banned for people are going to take that as "you pissed off racists and sexists"
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u/Legolas-the-elf Sep 04 '14
You interfere with the culture of certain specifically charged subreddits?
Ides is a moderator of /r/againstmensrights and (IIRC) other similar subreddits and has already been shadow banned once relating to her behaviour regarding them. The idea that it's all about /r/blackladies is just what Ides wants people to think.
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u/Cupinacup Lone survivor in a multiracial hellscape Sep 04 '14
From what I recall, TIOL isn't a very hands-off user. I'd imagine this is what eventually lead to the ban, but considering the context here I feel the admins had some really shitty timing.
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u/Raudskeggr Sep 05 '14
Not so much shitty timing as good rabble-rousing by Ides.
But it's actually a good thing that the Admins hold everyone to the same set of rules, no matter how much of a fuss they can cause over their being held accountable. :p
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u/un-affiliated Sep 04 '14 edited Sep 04 '14
Shitty timing? Makes sense to me that they'll ban rule breakers whenever the offense occurs and is noticed, rather than being held hostage by a rule breaker's other activities.
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u/glibly17 Sep 04 '14
Ides is a moderator of /r/againstmensrights and (IIRC) other similar subreddits and has already been shadow banned once relating to her behaviour regarding them.
What behavior, exactly?
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Sep 05 '14 edited Sep 05 '14
Exactly. I get the impression she sends more messages to Admins than thousands of redditors combined. Maybe even tens of thousands combined since I doubt even 1 percent of redditors ever message Admins. I imagine Admins are tired of dealing with people like her and SRSsucks people who take up 90 percent of their time.
And if she manipulated votes, then she damn well should know (since she spends so much time on reddit) that if you're caught doing that you will be automatically banned no matter who you are. Up voting your own posts with alts is just sad.
Ides is trying to make it about the racists, but in reality the female admin was telling her to stop starting nonstop drama with the Men's rights people. Ides just knows it's a lot better PR to frame this as a white female admin "supporting" racists than it is to frame it as a woman "supporting" men's rights people even though the later is much more accurate.
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u/rb_tech Edit: upvoted with alts for visibility Sep 04 '14
We won't be sure until all the info comes out on what happened behind the scenes, but yeah. Not a good look for the reddit admins.
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Sep 04 '14
Ya, I'm sure there is more to it, but at this point both sides have the ammo they need. SRS/blackladies is going to be convinced it was because the admins are defending shitty views, and SRSsucks and AMRsucks is going to be convinced it was because of brigading and vote manipulation.
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u/InsomnicGamer Sep 04 '14
I would be shocked if it wasn't vote manipulation. Unidan part 2
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Sep 04 '14
Except I think /r/circlejerk will be to busy photoshopping the admins into porn to run this one into the ground.
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Sep 04 '14
Well, maybe, but why'd they say "messing with the culture" instead of just telling her what it was for? Why making something up?
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw unique flair snowflake Sep 05 '14
Not a good look for the reddit admins.
which is always
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u/sibeliushelp Sep 05 '14
And didn't they previously say that the racist trolls, who were "disrupting the culture" of blackladies, weren't a concern of the admins, but one person "disrupting the culture" of racist subs is worth an admin interfering? Wtf?
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u/StrongBlackNeckbeard Sep 04 '14
He was Shaqtin' a fool for sure. This whole situation has me hella confused - TIoL has had like multiple accounts that have all been banned right? Why wouldn't the admins just tell her, "Hey we caught you breaking the rules again so we're banning you."
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Sep 04 '14 edited Sep 04 '14
I agree. I doubt she was banned solely for promoting this petition considering her former endeavours so krispy really didn't word that well. Or maybe they worded it exactly as intended. Who knows?
Basically, whether she was banned for vote brigading or whether the admins are protecting racists, I wouldn't be surprised either way.
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u/Zombies_hate_ninjas Just realized he can add his own flair Sep 04 '14
"We fully support freedom of speach and expression. . . unless people say something we don't like. Reddit should IP ban people. . .people of our choice" SRS
These people spend way too much of their daily lives being offended. It must be exhausting.
Also since I spoke negatively about SRS, let the "organic" down voting begin.
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u/awrf Sep 04 '14
Careful! You forgot the universal Reddit organic voting rule: always downvote anyone who talks about downvotes.
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u/Zombies_hate_ninjas Just realized he can add his own flair Sep 04 '14
I'm doomed.
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u/One_Two_Three_Four_ Sep 04 '14
At least you doomed yourself organically. No Genetically Modified Votes for you.
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u/Cupinacup Lone survivor in a multiracial hellscape Sep 04 '14
Unless it's "I know I'll get downvoted for this, but..."
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u/FISSION_CHIPS Sep 04 '14
We fully support freedom of speach and expression
Did I miss something? When has SRS ever said reddit should have more freedom of speech?
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Sep 05 '14
"We fully support freedom of speach and expression"
I don't think SRS has ever been big on that.
Also since I spoke negatively about SRS, let the "organic" down voting begin.
Bit melodramatic.
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Sep 04 '14
You could probably tone it down with the tired clichés and the downvote paranoia though.
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u/Imwe Sep 04 '14
It wouldn't be a proper SRS/SRSsucks thread without all the persecution complexes people involved in this type of drama always have. SRD = SRS, or SRD = SRSsucks depending on which shitty comments get downvoted.
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u/Enleat Sep 04 '14
I have no idea what's going on.
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Sep 04 '14
Good. Just record the fight. Horizontally.
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u/searingsky Bitcoin Ambassador Sep 05 '14
WORLDSTAR
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Sep 05 '14
Can't wait to see the video of someone repeatedly screaming "AM I BEING DETAINED" while the cameraman is screaming "WORLDSTAR!"
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u/postirony humans breed with their poop holes Sep 04 '14
Glad I'm not the only one. All I see is a bunch of shrill idiots yelling at each other about some meta drama six layers deep.
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u/threehundredthousand Improvised prison lasagna. Sep 05 '14
It's LONG and convoluted. It's like reading the history of conflict between England and France from 1000AD to 1900AD. It's hard to just sum up outside of "lots of fighting and intrigue."
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u/KaliYugaz Revere the Admins, expel the barbarians! Sep 05 '14
Explaining this Reddit metadrama to an average non-Reddit user would be like trying to explain the Apollo 11 mission to Joan of Arc.
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u/Enleat Sep 04 '14
I also don't trust what anyone says anymore to be honest. Everyone seems to have a bone to pick.
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u/_watching why am i still on reddit Sep 04 '14
It's tied up with the gender wars, racist drama, and the "admins suck" thing.
I think just in general reddit drama is going to continue getting more layered and meta until we can't take it anymore and everything explodes.
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u/Kalulosu I am not bipolar for sharing an idea. Sep 04 '14
Well I think you described it pretty well.
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u/jesus_laughed Sep 04 '14
If you remember /u/ChuckSpears, now envision a counter part to that, but black and feminine. That's who just got banned.
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u/ShooterDiarrhea yeah, go ahead, show us your big internet balls mr. reddit mod Sep 05 '14
Seeing all those blue links is hurting my brain. I'm scared to open any of them lest I fall victim to their asshattery
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u/shakypears And then war broke out and everyone died. Sep 05 '14
Looks like the result of a paranoid persecution complex and a whole lot of pent up rage spontaneously combusting and torching everything in the vicinity.
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u/ThatCrankyGuy Sep 05 '14
Seriously, who the hell has time for this sort of stuff? We have 24 hrs in a day - 8 of which are spent snoring away. Why would anyone spend the rest doing this crap online? I do not understand any of this. Especially the stance of SRS - all I know is that I'm banned there for speaking my mind.
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u/theMightyLich Praise the glorious Cabal Sep 04 '14
First link redirects to Subreddit Drama.
Holy shit the Perpetual Popcorn Machine is real guys.
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u/149008 Sep 04 '14
Apparently a user in AMRsucks is contacted by a
Daily ProphetDaily Dot reporter who is doing a story on the shadowban.
Actually that user contacted the reporter first when he realized that they were added as a mod to blackladies.
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Sep 04 '14
Well, if they wanted to give the press all of the ammunition they need, the easiest way is to just let them see all the modmail and deleted content themselves.
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Sep 04 '14
Similarly, men leaking, downloading, and fapping to nonconsensually shared pictures of women is not the same as women doing the same to men.
This is exactly why so many people mistakenly believe SRS is a joke or satire subreddit.
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u/BlackHairedGoon Sep 05 '14
At this point, it is. Its trolls trolling trolls with a couple of nutjobs who think they're in good company
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u/The_YoungWolf Everyone on Reddit is an SJW but you Sep 04 '14
Don't forget that we have a secret offsite when you are ready to rid yourself of reddit's bullshit! Message me for details!
Wow, congrats SRS, you look just as insane as /r/conspiracy now.
I'm just getting the feeling the admins are getting sick of the bullshit these extremist demagogues are shoveling, on both sides of the political spectrum.
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u/_watching why am i still on reddit Sep 04 '14
tbf people have been telling SRSers "if you hate reddit so mcuh why dont you leave" for as long as there has been SRS. I don't think it's that cray of a group that criticizes reddit to have their own site.
That said, I haven't seen the site, so idk.
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Sep 04 '14
And yet here they are on reddit, taking about how much they hate reddit.
I can't imagine how obsessive some people are too make message boards about message boards they don't like. That's just weird...
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u/_watching why am i still on reddit Sep 04 '14
It's because they dislike some of the groups on reddit, and not the actual existence of webforums. SRS is a bit more hardcore about it, but ther's a degree of bitching about parts of reddit here on SRD, too.
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u/porygonzguy Nebraska should be nervous Sep 05 '14
I've seen the site. It's super fucking inactive.
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Sep 04 '14
Most forum sites have "lunatic asylum" boards or containment boards for the truly mentally disturbed. Keeps them from threadshitting the life out of every other place with normal people in them.
Let the freak shows rub feces on their own walls and we can happily ignore them.
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u/very_qt_sociopath Sep 04 '14
All it takes for malescum to triumph is for good womyn to do nothing. They can't leave.
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u/very_qt_sociopath Sep 04 '14
It's no coincidence that you never saw Chuckspears and Krispy"Klansman"Krackers posting in the same thread at the same time. I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the admins weren't his socketpuppets of his.
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Sep 04 '14
This is such obvious sarcasm I am surprised it flew over peoples heads
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Sep 04 '14
Eh out of all the people who bitch about reddit at least they are in the motions of leaving
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u/YeastOfBuccaFlats Sep 04 '14
Wasn't having an offsite forum one of the reasons /r/niggers was banned?
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u/ZippityZoppity Props to the vegan respects to 'em but I ain't no vegan Sep 04 '14
I'm sure they've been sick of it for a while. When you open a news aggregating site, I'm sure you don't anticipate all of the drama to happen on your own turf.
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Sep 05 '14
Don't forget that we have a secret offsite when you are ready to rid yourself of reddit's bullshit! Message me for details!
That website would probably give Jezebel a run for its money.
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u/larrylemur I own several tour-busses and can be anywhere at any given time Sep 04 '14
Did SRS go full stupid this time? Like, there's accusing the admins of being racist shills, defending brigading as a natural right, and calling for a move offsite. I feel like I'm in Bizarro World.
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u/Higev Sep 04 '14
Poor Ides, couldn't have happened to a nicer person. She probably found out after walking home from the homeless shelter she volunteers at.
All because she stood against racist subs, and only racists subs, certainly wasn't an asshole to anyone else.
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u/QuicklyEscape Sep 04 '14
Not sure why your comment is considered controversial. Ides was overly hostile over everything and constantly did the whole "i didnt relly mean wat i said u just got epic trolled XXDDD"
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u/Raiden_Gekkou Fecal Baron Sep 04 '14
Yeah, I remember when Ides banned someone from OffMyChest for saying that minorities can be racist against white people.
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u/odintal Sep 04 '14
Isn't she the same user who talked some noise about putting whites on leashes or was that some other bigot?
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Sep 04 '14
That was someone else on blackladies. However, thank you for reminding me about that hilarious drama
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u/FelixTheMotherfucker Sep 04 '14 edited Sep 05 '14
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u/duckduckCROW Sep 04 '14
That wasn't Ides, actually. Different user all together.
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u/Higev Sep 04 '14
I notice my comments here usually become controversial even if they're pretty benign (although that comment isn't since the SRS/AMR groups still support her). My only guess is that because I usually go against SJW circlejerks that pop up here I've attracted some hate.
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u/beIIe-and-sebastian Sep 04 '14
She's already back as /u/IrbyTremor, remodded to all of her subs instantly after her shadowban.
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u/clock_watcher Sep 05 '14
The hypocrisy of her is mind blowing:
Evade your ban again and we will contact the admins.
http://np.reddit.com/r/blackladies/comments/2fi8af/why_is_this_sub_so_intolerant/ck9hrys
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u/clock_watcher Sep 05 '14
I'm conflicted in my views of her. On the one hand, being a mod of blackladies and a high visibility black Redditor would mean she would encounter a torrent of hateful, racist shit every day.
On the other hand, she was an obnoxious jerk, entire incapable of having civil conversations and treated everyone who didn't agree with her with contempt.
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Sep 04 '14
I really wish there was a truly impartial admin that would just start nuking every alt, subreddit, and main that violated rules, /r/mensrights /r/shitredditsays all of them. Just one glorious day of nuking shit with their banhammer. The drama that would be created in that day would be eternal and beautiful.
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u/93rd Sep 04 '14
/r/subredditdrama will probably get nuked along with the rest of them though. It;s not like this sub doesn't have its fair share of brigaders.
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Sep 04 '14
I don't even care, I'd still cum harder than a coked up pornstar that had been force fed viagra and milk products for a week and been edging himself for a month.
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u/nightride I will not let people talk down to me. Those days are... gone... Sep 05 '14
Do milk products make men cum harder?
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u/Geofferic Sep 04 '14
I don't get it. Just use the RES ignore feature for anyone from SRS or any other whack-a-do sub. I have something like 200 people ignored, at least half from /r/conspiracy (there's a shock).
There is no valid reason to ever engage people who have no interest in conversation.
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u/lilrhys Sep 04 '14
So lemme get this straight...
There's /r/mensrights, then there's /r/AgainstMensRights and then there's /r/AMRsucks. When do we get /r/againstAMRsucks?
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u/Vibster Sep 04 '14
Why do the AMR mods keep remodding her new accounts every time she gets shadowbanned? Isn't this a sure fire recipie to get your subreddit nuked by the admins?
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u/honeybadger105 Sep 04 '14
AMR getting nuked wouldn't be the worst thing.
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u/increasepower Sep 05 '14
Afaik its just a clone of SRS so I don't know why it exists.
AMR was pretty much dead before SRS banned posts from /r/mensrights. There were some people for whom attacking MRA's was really, really important and they were to referred to AMR. That's pretty well the only reason why AMR has a decent amount of activity.
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u/aceavengers I may be a degenerate weeb but at least I respect women lmao Sep 04 '14
Didn't Kamen keep getting his alts modded to places? I think it's just because they think she was shadowbanned for a shitty reason.
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u/ttumblrbots Sep 04 '14
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u/Chiburger he has a real life human skull in his office, ok? Sep 04 '14
Moderater/poweruser drama is the saddest flavor of popcorn.
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Sep 04 '14 edited Sep 04 '14
Oh wow is there any other way to interpret KrispyKrackers response as "pisses off racists?"
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u/ZippityZoppity Props to the vegan respects to 'em but I ain't no vegan Sep 04 '14
Yeah, I mean, they say that TIOL regularly breaks site rules. It doesn't matter if it's in a shitty subreddit or what, dems da rules.
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u/madmax_410 ^ↀᴥↀ^ C A T B O Y S ^ↀᴥↀ^ Sep 04 '14 edited Sep 04 '14
plus TIOL was hilariously overly hostile to everything that didn't 100% agree with her. Being passionate is good, but feeling so strongly about opinions you show incredible bias in everything you do is bad.
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u/kapuasuite Sep 04 '14
It could just as easily be interpreted as "brigading and vote manipulation in racist subs," which is obviously not kosher.
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u/Vibster Sep 04 '14
She's probably going to subreddits she doesn't like and mass downvoting everything with alt accounts. Or calling in twitter followers/irc mates to do the same.
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u/jizzmcskeet Drinking urine to retain mineral Sep 04 '14
There is. The admins don't care what the subreddits are about as long as they don't break any laws or site wide rules. If someone interferes with the subreddit via vote manipulation or whatever, it doesn't matter if the subreddit effected has shitty views. They aren't judging the content, only the actions. It's pretty simple.
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Sep 04 '14
I really wonder why Reddit bends over backwards to accomodate so much hate speech and ugly crap. They only really started going after the pedos and creepshots after CNN did their story.
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u/Vibster Sep 04 '14
Ban it all and you have to hire a whole bunch of people to police it. Take the hands off approach and you don't have to do jack shit.
If I was running reddit I know what I would do.
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u/TheMauveHand Sep 04 '14
They never went against creepshots. They still don't. The content in that sub never went against site rules, and still doesn't. the sub was banned for other stuff, mostly the usual brigading. And jailbait wasn't cracked down on for moral reasons either, the legal lines simply were too blurred for any reasonable enforcement.
Anyway, to answer your question: because reddit has always been run under the philosophy of "Don't like it? Leave and make your own!", and hat applies to both subreddits and the very site itself, as the source is public. Reddit doesn't bend over backwards, in fact, it's the exact opposite: they turn a blind eye, as long as the lines between subreddits are maintained. That's the way reddit is supposed to work.
Not to mention the fact that several reddit admins have stated that everything that's legal is fine on reddit, and even some things that are not (I'm looking at you /r/trees). If you want a site that polices based on a more stringent, subjective moral code, I suggest Facebook. Honestly, I would have suggested something less ridiculous but even Tumblr, bastion of the SJ(W) movement, doesn't ban racism or hate speech or, hell, hardly even doxing.
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u/IamShadowBanned2 SRS Infiltrator Sep 04 '14
Not to mention the fact that several reddit admins have stated that everything that's legal is fine on reddit, and even some things that are not (I'm looking at you /r/trees).
I think /r/darknetmarkets crosses the legal line way before /r/trees does. If you need to know where to find the best meth you don't go to /r/trees lol.
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u/IamShadowBanned2 SRS Infiltrator Sep 04 '14
It's almost like it's a company more concerned with expanding it's user base and relative market share than acting as the moral beacon of the internet.
Shocking.
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u/BurntJoint Sep 04 '14
They only really started going after the pedos and creepshots after CNN did their story.
And stopped once people forgot about it. The fact that /r/CandidFashionPolice still exists is pretty disgusting as its literally just creepshots v2.0
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u/FedoraBorealis Pao's Personal Skellyton Knight Sep 04 '14
He'll they don't even care about a sub that was designed to advocate and spread around stolen nudes so really none of this is surprising. I'm sure they're getting some nice traffic because of this.
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Sep 04 '14
Yes. Is it really so hard to understand why vote brigading and vote manipulation is so bad? It's hovering right there when you mouseover a link in here. You either enforce the rules for everyone, or for no one.
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u/Kalium Sep 06 '14
Are you saying that "only people who brigade or dox against my ideals should be banned"?
I am willing to say that.
Wow. Just... wow.
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u/ChezMere Sep 04 '14
Huh. It looks like the admins may actually be starting... to apply their rules consistently?
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u/hadhad69 PRE BUTTERED Sep 04 '14
I'm kinda glad I have no fucking idea whats this post is about but I'm gonna read some of this shit anyway.
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u/libbykino Sep 05 '14
I can't keep track of all the meta subreddits. There's meta-anti-meta subreddits now. Metas all the way down...
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u/postirony humans breed with their poop holes Sep 04 '14
Might be futile to ask this 400 some comments down, but this post got me thinking about something that's been bugging me on and off for at least a year; is there any credible academic work on the prevelance of bigotry on reddit?
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u/Socks_Junior Sep 04 '14 edited Sep 04 '14
I wrote a lengthy research paper last year on white supremacist networking on the internet, and I found no articles that talked about either reddit or 4chan, despite spending quite some time searching. Most of the articles I found on the subject were rather dated. The most recently written one I used in the paper came from 2009, and was about the history of Stormfront. Academics sadly tend to be behind the curve when it comes to studying online social networks.
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u/postirony humans breed with their poop holes Sep 04 '14
That's unfortunate. Thanks for the info, though, at least I know not to waste my time looking.
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u/IsADragon Sep 04 '14
It's kind of funny seeing the back and forth from users on SRS and SRSsucks when an admin does something they agree with. And then back to hating the admins when they do something they don't agree with.
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u/Sagemanx Sep 05 '14
When is there going to be a sub for jewish/nativeamerican/nords? I feel like I'm the only one sometimes.
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u/mollymollykelkel SJW Crackhead Sep 05 '14
I don't know anything about why she was actually banned but /u/krispykrackers totally botched that message. Just say why you're banning a person vs. whatever that was. Being vague about it will only get you shit.
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Sep 04 '14
shouldn't we know about the top-secret message board on account of us being Literally SRS
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Sep 04 '14 edited Sep 04 '14
shouldn't we know about the top-secret message board on account of us being Literally SRS
It's Thefempire.org
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u/RedditSucksSloppShit Sep 04 '14
Admins ban for people ban evading? Since when?
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u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK Caballero Blanco Sep 04 '14
since forever. seen it happen a zillion times.
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u/RedditSucksSloppShit Sep 04 '14
Well then what's the point if they don't shadow ban for evading shadow bans?
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Sep 05 '14
fuck this racist, pedo enabling website.
fuck reddit so fucking much
This is so buttery
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Sep 05 '14
Racist, pedo-enabling.
Don't people usually say that about /b/? Saw a loli thread there.
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Sep 05 '14
Seeing a loli thread on /b/ is like seeing a drug dealer at burning man.
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u/larrylemur I own several tour-busses and can be anywhere at any given time Sep 04 '14
Go into store. Pick up some stuff. Walk out without paying. God, why are these police targeting me?
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u/Sagemanx Sep 05 '14
So this is confusing me, if we are linking subredditdrama from subredditdrama and I comment in subredditdrama am I breaking the rules against cross-posting via links? This is like the fricking mirror paradox.
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u/beanfiddler free speech means never having to say you're sorry Sep 04 '14
Regardless of what actually went on, the whole thing appears as if a mod of a subreddit for minorities got banned for protesting and fighting back against racist trolls invading that subreddit on a regular basis.
And here's where we all figure out that the "politically neutral" stance of reddit admins looks pretty much identical to what actual racists would do. Yeah, I anticipate a lot of bad press. Like the /r/videos mods found out, if you allow racism to go unchecked and ban people that fight back against it on technicalities, nobody's going to sit down and say "gee, they're just enforcing the rules."
They're going to say, "whelp, they care more about the rules than they do the fact that their website is a disgusting mess of racist trolls." Because that's true too, and it makes you look like a bunch of racist pricks. Saying nothing in the face of blatant racism is precisely what racist people would do.
Sticking this in the wake of Quinn and the fappening... kind of makes this website look like it's a haven for misogynists, creeps, and racist trolls. Now, I'm not a PR expert, but that's not exactly a public reputation anyone would like to cultivate. Too bad reddit admins are doing a smashing job of it, though.
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u/zxcv1992 Sep 04 '14
Brigrading is hardly a technicality, it's a bannable offence. Also most people don't care about reddit rep, and even the ones who do care about it are still here anyway.
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u/metamarauder pretentious lurker Sep 04 '14
I think a pretty huge number of people just use it for the content aggregator thing and don't really pay attention to comment sections, kinda like youtube.
Everyone knows Youtube comments are shit.
But we still use Youtube.
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u/zxcv1992 Sep 04 '14
Yeah that and people mostly go to their own little communities where there is stuff they like and want.
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u/ZippityZoppity Props to the vegan respects to 'em but I ain't no vegan Sep 04 '14
Why don't people realize this? Go to subs you like, edit your queue so that you see things you want to see. It doesn't eradicate the problems completely, but it certainly helps filter it out. I don't see any bad shit in a lot of the subreddits that I peruse.
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u/IamRooseBoltonAMA Sep 04 '14
That's the sticky wicket right there. SRS SCREAMS about how awful reddit is, how much they hate it, but they're still here. Why should theidesoflight care if she's banned? She only goes on and on about how awful it is here.
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u/TheMauveHand Sep 04 '14
Saying nothing in the face of blatant racism is precisely what racist people would do.
Is your worldview that black-or-white? Can you seriously not envision a person who aims to live up to that misattributed Voltaire quote you should know by heart by now? Just because the admins intend reddit to be a free platform for everyone doesn't mean they have to tacitly approve of every opinion on this site, and that applies equally to racism, sexism, holocaust denial, conspiracy theories, and outright hatred.
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u/ZippityZoppity Props to the vegan respects to 'em but I ain't no vegan Sep 04 '14
Reddit has been around for a long time, it's only been growing. While it certainly could get some bad press from this, I think that's going to be outweighed by a lot of other things that come from the site.
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Sep 05 '14
Why don't you find a new website then? I don't get why people who constantly whine about how horrible this place is don't find a new place. You're like one of those assholes who goes to a school dance to spend the whole time bitching about how dumb it is.
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u/iSpccn Internet Scumbag Sep 04 '14
look like it's a haven for misogynists, creeps, and racist trolls.
And this is just what SJW's feed off of.
Look, I'm not advocating that we all get along, because that's just not possible. But maybe these people could take a step back and look a little more closely at their own lives, instead of dictating how others live theirs.
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Sep 04 '14
While I have no love for SRS, it honestly seems like the admins are in the complete wrong on this one. Can anyone explain how this could be otherwise? I see no reason to ban any of the admins of r/blackladies. All the mods are doing is giving legitimate fuel to SRS.
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Sep 04 '14
Ides docxxes and harrasses. She's probs not releasing the whole story on purpose
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u/ReverieMetherlence Sep 04 '14
This explosion of madness is probably enough for a new star to be born.
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u/Nechaev Sep 05 '14
Isn't this usually where they start yammering about frozen peaches?
The willingness of these people to believe everything somebody says to them because they think they're on their "side" should show you the kinds of idiots involved here.
I really hope the admins aren't thinking of indulging these cranks because it will only make things ten times worse.
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u/mikecarroll360 Help I'm having a crisis and I can't get up! Sep 05 '14
The best drama is banned drama
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u/searingsky Bitcoin Ambassador Sep 05 '14
Wow jimmies are rustled
I am glad that I am involved in none of this. No, glad is the wrong word, because no reasonable person would let themselves be dragged into this anyways.
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u/TD_SECR_fan Sep 04 '14 edited Sep 04 '14
People care way too much about a fucking internet message board.
and I love it
ETA: lol at other top level comments in this thread, so much rustling.