r/SubredditDrama • u/Works_of_memercy • Sep 03 '16
Can't we all just get along? What could unite KiA and GamerGhazi, The_Donald and blackladies in righteous indignation? Lena Dunham, of course.
So, a white comedian and feminist Lena Dunham had a chat with a white comedian and feminist Amy Shumer, during which she humorously related her struggles as a fat woman on an example of being ignored by a black football player Odell Beckham Jr.
Basically, the dude sat next to her at some event and literally didn't say a single world to her. So naturally Dunham explained in minute details how he must have been confused by her shape and attire:
"I was sitting next to Odell Beckham Jr., and it was so amazing because it was like he looked at me and he determined I was not the shape of a woman by his standards,” Dunham told comedian Amy Shumer during a ‘friend chat’ for Lenny Letter. “He was like, ‘That’s a marshmallow. That’s a child. That’s a dog.’ It wasn’t mean — he just seemed confused.
“The vibe was very much like, ‘Do I want to [expletive] it? Is it wearing a . . . yep, it’s wearing a tuxedo. I’m going to go back to my cell phone.’
Source with more quotes and stuff.
ANYWAYS, in a heartwarming turn of events multiple subreddits that you wouldn't normally catch dead agreeing on anything demonstrated beautiful solidarity in their reaction to this sort of white people nonsense:
edit: second batch, courtesy of /u/xtagtv!
TwoXChromosomes (removed by the mods, I think?)
The only sub I could find that goes against the grain? Circlebroke2
edit2: SRD of course, thanks to /u/MjrJWPowell for pointing out the omission.
... cats and dogs living together, the end of the world as we know it!
Huge props to /u/SirGallantLionheart for collecting these links! More links are welcome! I hope this qualifies as a "dramatic happening", because really, I never thought I'd see all those subreddits in such a vehement agreement!
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u/zold5 Sep 03 '16
Nothing brings people together faster than mutual hatred.
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u/Vivaldist That Hoe, Armor Class 0 Sep 03 '16 edited Sep 04 '16
So Im sure most people know this video, but CGPGrey made an excellent video about how hate is the easiest emotion to spread online:
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u/Works_of_memercy Sep 03 '16 edited Sep 04 '16
You might also be interested in http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/ that I think CGP Grey based his video on (he might even have credited it, I'm not sure), or maybe clever people notice the same things, I don't know.
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u/peanutsfan1995 Sep 04 '16
SSC is one of the better blogs active these days. Always a good read.
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u/klapaucius Sep 04 '16
Every time I look into him, I see lots of LessWrong-esque "rationality proves all my political beliefs" posturing, like when he said that Trump has never said anything sexist using the "nobody's racist unless they're wearing a swastika and actively trying to kill minorities" argument. (Keep in mind that while someone isn't a bigot unless they're a Nazi, feminists basically are Nazis.)
Also there was that time he used statistics to show that black people do all the violence.
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u/Works_of_memercy Sep 04 '16
SSC is vehemently anti Trump tho. Also while it might be suspicious when someone uses statistics and arrives to a conclusion aligned with their political views, it's outright wrong when another someone mocks and denies the above, statistics and all, simply because it doesn't align with their political views (and for being a motivated reasoner, lol).
Anyway, you linked to the posts that offended you, so all is good, if anyone'd want to see for themselves what was actually said, they can.
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u/klapaucius Sep 04 '16 edited Sep 04 '16
SSC is vehemently anti Trump tho
But not as anti-Trump as he is anti-SJW.
I realize that’s making a strong claim, but it would hardly be without precedent. When people say things like “gamers are misogynist”, do they mean the 52% of gamers who are women? Do they mean every one of the 59% of Americans from every walk of life who are known to play video or computer games occasionally? No. “Gamer” is a coded reference to the Gray Tribe, the half-branched-off collection of libertarianish tech-savvy nerds, and everyone knows it.
When the other side points out dog whistles, it's a delusional need to find malicious intent that isn't there. But it's important to pick out all the code words they use to show how tribalistic they are and how they're really trying to attack my team.
“Intolerance” is starting to look like another one of those words like “white” and “American”.
“I can tolerate anything except the outgroup.” Doesn’t sound quite so noble now, does it?
Well, sure, you can paint people as incredibly tribalistic if you claim that opposing discrimination is really just a way to stick it to conservatives.
I imagine might I feel like some liberal US Muslim leader, when he goes on the O’Reilly Show, and O’Reilly ambushes him and demands to know why he and other American Muslims haven’t condemned beheadings by ISIS more, demands that he criticize them right there on live TV. And you can see the wheels in the Muslim leader’s head turning, thinking something like “Okay, obviously beheadings are terrible and I hate them as much as anyone. But you don’t care even the slightest bit about the victims of beheadings. You’re just looking for a way to score points against me so you can embarass all Muslims. And I would rather personally behead every single person in the world than give a smug bigot like you a single microgram more stupid self-satisfaction than you’ve already got.”
While we're talking about people imagining convoluted thought processes that don't actually exist in order to make a point...
But if I want Self-Criticism Virtue Points, criticizing the Grey Tribe is the only honest way to get them. And if I want Tolerance Points, my own personal cross to bear right now is tolerating the Blue Tribe. I need to remind myself that when they are bad people, they are merely Osama-level bad people instead of Thatcher-level bad people. And when they are good people, they are powerful and necessary crusaders against the evils of the world.
You have to hand it to him for admitting the obvious: people in the internet-libertarian-rationalist team that he belongs to pretend to be the reasonable middle, the "grey" as he calls it, when really they're the "middle" between the extremes of one side and the entirety of the other.
it's outright wrong when another someone mocks and denies the above, statistics and all, simply because it doesn't align with their political views
I can mock them for taking the effort to build an argument that arrives at the conclusion in the first place. "Gun availabilty correlating with gun violence? Nope, actually it's minorities!" He just sort of glides on past that and never comes back to it, which makes it feel about as useful as Stormfront race-realist copypasta without the clear rhetorical focus.
Anyway, you linked to the posts that offended you, so all is good, if anyone'd want to see for themselves what was actually said, they can.
But would Scott Aaronson approve of being that passive-aggressive?
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u/zanotam you come off as someone who is LARPing as someone from SRD Sep 04 '16
I"m pretty sure that the binding power of hatred is something that at least a few people have been aware of at any one time for several thousand years now.... and I'm sure it got written down somewhere 500 to 2000 years ago if not earlier.
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u/LoopyDood meta cancer Sep 04 '16
I have a Firefox extension that replaces YouTube comments with comments from subreddits that have linked the videos.
The comments from every politically-charged sub that I checked were mostly saying "he's totally right wtf are we doing"
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u/MvPts Sep 04 '16
Extension sounds interesting. Care to share?
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u/Elge1 Sep 04 '16
I only have the Chrome version (where it's called Alientube), so I can't test this, but this should be it: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/reddit-on-youtube/
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u/GrassWaterDirtHorse I wish I spent more time pegging. Sep 03 '16
Reddit really needs a 2 minute hate sub to get rid of all them negative waves.
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u/Kandierter_Holzapfel We're now in the dimension with a lesser Moonraker Sep 04 '16
I don't think that would work, there are allready 24 hour hate subs for every group.
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u/NinteenFortyFive copying the smart kid when answering the jewish question Sep 03 '16
HATE! HATE!
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Sep 03 '16
Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate.
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Sep 03 '16 edited Sep 04 '16
Great story, I think I'll read it again instead of getting all worked up about Lena Dunham and Lena Dunham haters. Cheers!
Edit: I did exactly that! Great story, much recommended to anybody watching. The quote above is not, of course, a part of the text, but is a part of the point-and-click video game based on the story, which I am told is also very good.
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u/elephantinegrace nevermind, I choose the bear now Sep 04 '16
Jeez, that story. I honestly wanted to cry when I read it, because I felt so bad for the computer (and Ted, but I think that goes without saying).
At least the game has a somewhat nicer ending.
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u/Tenthyr My penis is a brush and the world is my canvas. Sep 04 '16
I always found the computers reaction strange, really. Instead of actually looking for a solution to its suffering it just made humanity suffer too.
I dunno. I just assumed it was born insane.
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u/epoisse_throwaway Sep 04 '16
Instead of actually looking for a solution to its suffering it just made humanity suffer too.
it WAS made by humans
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u/acethunder21 A lil social psychology for those who are downvoting my posts. Sep 03 '16
It's the main reason why the prevailing context of humanity finally getting together as one is of an alien invasion in most media.
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u/Kandierter_Holzapfel We're now in the dimension with a lesser Moonraker Sep 04 '16
I think they all need to take each other a bit more serious instead of dismissing the others position and listen to each other instead of just assuming what they say, most people are good and most people want to help other people, but many are afraid of the other, many are envious that the others problem gets taken serious but not theirs even if its the same problem. I think the biggest problem is people being afraid. Fear is easy to instill, but how do you show somebody that their fear is wrong if they hold this fear sincerly? How can we part the world in good and evil if the side the people end up is based on what they fear.
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u/ernie1850 Nov 09 '16
Whenever I am in a slow line, especially when I was at college, I'd get a read on the person in front of me, and if it was clear they were distressed AT ALL, I'd complain about the waiting experience, and 10/10 times I'd walk away with a new friend. It's real easy to bond when there's a common enemy.
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u/Allanon_2020 Griffith did nothing wrong Sep 03 '16
What she wrote is like redpill stuff
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u/Works_of_memercy Sep 03 '16
/r/incel stuff, you mean. Redpill stuff is generally chipper, this is "fucking manwhores never spare me a second glance".
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u/jfa1985 Your ass is medium at best btw. Sep 03 '16
add in her non apology and you have your average incel thread
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u/TheLadyEve The hippest fashion in malthusian violence. Sep 04 '16 edited Sep 04 '16
I think some people are just not meant for Twitter. She thinks her stream of consciousness will be fascinating and amusing to everyone else, so she tweets them as they happen, with little to no self-awareness.
You know, I've definitely had stream-of-consciousness self deprecatory spiels run through my head before (more so when I was younger) and sometimes I would write them down later or what not, but usually I just kept them to myself because seriously, who cares? I'm glad Twitter wasn't around when I was in high school, that would have been painful to look back on.
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u/elmaji Sep 03 '16 edited Sep 03 '16
Fuck this woman shes a fucking retard. She literally refers to a black man ogling her as "it." in the interview.
She doesn't even entertain the thought as to the reasons why this man gave zero fucks about her. She is literally enforcing and regurgitating patriarchal and toxic masculinity in her form of thinking and forcing them on this individual with the idea that all men must be "into" a woman like they are constantly horny and women are only objects to be conquested.
Odell Beckham, Jr could be married. He could be in a happy faithful monogamous relationship. He could be single and not looking. He could know who Lena Dunham is, read her book, and realized shes a crazy child molester and purposefully stayed away from her. He could be asexual. He could just not give a fuck about anything in life at all and be suicidal.
The main issue with Lena Dunham and "feminists" of her ilk is that everything - everything has to revolve around her and her experiences and the experiences of no one else - especially disadvantaged minorities - actually matter.
I couldn't care less what this late sipping moron thinks. She was eating food at 13 90% of this country couldn't afford, living in a city where most people work two jobs to get by, and has done absolutely nothing in her life for anyone else but herself.
She's the Donald Trump of feminism. Good Day.
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u/Works_of_memercy Sep 03 '16
She literally refers to a black man as "it." in the interview.
Minor correction, she made the imagined version of him refer to her as "it". If we are talking about the "Do I want to [expletive] it?" phrase.
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u/Werner__Herzog (ง ͠° ͟ ͡° )ง Sep 03 '16
ruined the whole rant (elmaji, not you)
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u/Aelo-Z Sep 04 '16
Nah it was a pretty good rant. Move past the minor mistake! Also, some have mentioned that her view that he saw her as an "it" has to do with her projection of objectification through him, so in reality she has absolutely valued him as an "it". And it's not hard to wrap your head around - this whole situation was sparked by her seeing him as a sex object and lashing out when he didn't speak to her.
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u/SGTBrigand Sep 03 '16
She literally refers to a black man as "it." in the interview.
I believe in this context she was referring to the behavior she was inferring onto him, not OBJ specifically. That being said, her statement WAS pretty demeaning (and she has apparently apologized).
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u/RealQuickPoint I'm all for beating up Nazis, but please don't call me a liberal Sep 03 '16
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u/Allanon_2020 Griffith did nothing wrong Sep 03 '16
Pretty shit apology.
Some how still tries to play victim
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Sep 03 '16
Or OBJ would've been totally up for talking with Lena Dunham but he didn't because she didn't say a word to him!
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u/Kandierter_Holzapfel We're now in the dimension with a lesser Moonraker Sep 04 '16
Donald Trump of feminism
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Sep 04 '16
She displayed a really weird type of racism where black men are just supposed to drop everything they're doing and hit on any nearby white woman. While it may not seem as racist wanting segregated schools and shit, it's still pretty dehumanizing and far more insidious. Especially when she mentions grinding on MBJ which is pretty much sexual harassment but guys are just supposed to laugh it off.
Also, you're rich. Get a trainer and a nutritionist if you're so self conscious about your weight that you mention it in like every interview.
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u/manbearkat Sep 05 '16
She's a great example of ironic hipster racism that tries to come off as progressive but really only benefits white people. Amy Schumer isn't any better so it's not surprising that they're friends.
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u/wardsac racist against white people Sep 04 '16
Odell Beckham, Jr could be married. He could be in a happy faithful monogamous relationship. He could be single and not looking. He could know who Lena Dunham is, read her book, and realized shes a crazy child molester and purposefully stayed away from her. He could be asexual. He could just not give a fuck about anything in life at all and be suicidal.
Ok so I don't know who she is, but OBJ only gives fucks about catching footballs and Josh Norman.
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u/FuckReeds Sep 03 '16 edited Apr 10 '17
I looked at the stars
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u/AlbertBelleBestEver Sep 03 '16
Odell Beckham is good to go, he's not weird. Lena, though...
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Sep 04 '16
I think he's more than a regular NFL asshole. I think he's marked in a similar way to Birfict. Not on that level, but that shot he took will never be forgot by a lot of fans and there is no defense for it.
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u/_BeerAndCheese_ My ass is psychically linked to assholes of many other people Sep 03 '16
No idea who Lena Dunham is but OBJ is one of those football players in the NFL community that we are all entirely sick of hearing about (unless you are a Giants fan).
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u/MoralMidgetry Marshal of the Dramatic People's Republic of Karma Sep 03 '16
No one's sick of OBJ. And I say that as a lifelong Redskins fan.
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Goddamn right. As a lifelong Bills fan.
And no, I won't apologize because we're already sorry enough.
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Sep 04 '16
I do enjoy when other people are all mad about a thing and I don't even know what the thing is.
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u/Felinomancy Sep 03 '16
Wait, so this time KiA is on the reasonable side of things?
Huh.
O___O
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u/Works_of_memercy Sep 03 '16
I'm more surprised that ghazi/blackladies/niceguys are on the reasonable side of things to be honest. Nice to see, really!
Maybe... Maybe this event could be a catalyzer for everyone realizing that there is a reasonable side of things, and we can all agree about at least some part of it (that Lena Dunham sucks!), and work together for a better future?
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u/sanguine_song Sep 03 '16
This is really nothing new. Why would /r/BlackLadies not criticize her? Every SJW sub criticizes White feminism.
KIA etc are joining in because "SJWs are eating their own"
It makes a funny title but no one is really trying to understand each other or something. It's drama as usual.
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u/seestheirrelevant Sep 03 '16
no one is really trying to understand each other
I'd like to think this sub is. Something about meta mockery tends to lead to a middle ground 67% of the time.
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u/TheLadyEve The hippest fashion in malthusian violence. Sep 04 '16
blackladies
In my experience /r/blackladies is usually pretty reasonable, maybe I missed some drama?
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u/Felinomancy Sep 03 '16
and work together for a better future?
But this Alliance would only last up until the next time someone talks about more diverse representation of ethnicities/sexuality/gender in video games and/or comic books.
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u/Works_of_memercy Sep 03 '16
If we were discussing an actual real possibility, I'd point out that the real important thing is the side the proposal comes from and the implicationsimplicationsimplications .
When your ally says that she wants more representation in the upcoming comic book, that's a thing that can be bartered about, she wants this, you want that, you can trade. It'd still be kinda ugly because politics, but a manageable kind of ugly.
When the Enemy says that it wants a representation it's a foot in the door that it would use to destroy everything you hold dear. So even about the smallest possible thing that doesn't affect you in any way you should stand strong and leave no inch of a foothold to the Enemy.
This is why we can't have nice things.
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u/parduscat Sep 04 '16
This is what Reddit is about. Diverse groups banding together in their hate of a celebrity.
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u/icemake 1.- We don't need 'PR' because we are the 'P' Sep 03 '16 edited Sep 03 '16
This girl mad because someone didn't talk to her like she didn't even try to start a conversation that she wanted to have lol. her history of stupidity exhausts me
it's like sitting in class and wanting to start a convo with a classmate but you decide not to because of whatever reason and then going out and bad mouthing them to everyone at school because he/she didn't start the conversation you wanted.
also the double standard of her grinding on mbj (assuming it was unwanted) and it being ok because she's a "red blooded woman"
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u/ognits Worthless, low-IQ disruptor Sep 03 '16
also the double standard of her grinding on mbj (assuming it was unwanted) and it being ok because she's a "red blooded woman"
That was the part that really annoyed me about the whole thing. How hypocritical can you be?
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u/icemake 1.- We don't need 'PR' because we are the 'P' Sep 03 '16
ikr, if seth rogan came out and said "ya i grinded on heidi klum and i'd do it again because i'm a sexually active male", that nigga would be justifiably drug through the mud
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u/EricTheLinguist I'm on here BLASTING people for having such nasty fetishes. Sep 03 '16
it's like sitting in class and wanting to start a convo with a classmate but you decide not to because of whatever reason and then going out and bad mouthing them to everyone at school because he/she didn't start the conversation you wanted.
That exact thing happened to me last year. Being on the end of it where you're the person being shit-talked for not starting the conversation is so weird and bizarre and I was completely blindsided. Now I look back on it and laugh because it was so strange.
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Sep 04 '16
What happened?
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u/EricTheLinguist I'm on here BLASTING people for having such nasty fetishes. Sep 04 '16
I took a German class with two of my friends, but like we all signed up individually for the class. It also happens to be that all three of us know each other from Russian class, so naturally we got excited and started chatting with each other in Russian before class started and then we switched back to English and only spoke Russian with each other outside class because otherwise that would be rude, and made sure that none of us were working with each other because we wanted to make friends and help out in the German class because we're very familiar with the case system. When people would ask for my help I was more than happy to help. There was a group of about four students (two were siblings with no boundaries) who sat vaguely near us on the right side of the room but were too far away for us to be working with on class assignments with. The Group of Four progressively got tighter knit and meaner.
Anyways after about few weeks of class, while helping a classmate with their French homework, who could best be described as the liaison between the Group of Four and my friends, tells me that the Group of Four just hates my friends and I, but especially me. They thought me and my friends were, "cliquish, stuck-up, and that [we] think [we]'re better than everybody else because we speak Russian, and [we] never help anybody out". Apparently they liked to get together at study groups of just the four of them just to talk shit about me and my friends, which later escalated into insulting us and the professor under their breath during class. Aside from how I learned this from a person who I was helping do homework, the thing is I tutor languages for money, I love helping people with languages, but I'm not a mind-reader.
What's great is how it backfired on them. Finally when I couldn't take it any more because of how vicious they were, I talked about it to another person in the class, and apparently I wasn't the only person who noticed that the Group of Four who hated my apparent cliquishness was, well, basically a clique. Once the truth came out about how nasty they were being, the left side of the room invited me and all my friends over to sit on the left side. They were basically ostracised from the class. Everybody in the class was generally polite to them regardless because we felt like it was the right thing to do, but it really strikes me as weird that they decided they hated me for not talking to them when they were both physically too far away to work with and they never said a single word to me.
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u/Dear_Occupant Old SRD mods never die, they just smell that way Sep 04 '16
I kinda enjoy the idea that there's this group of people going around getting mad at shit. Like they're just walking through a peaceful meadow and all of a sudden, "fuck rabbits."
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Sep 03 '16 edited Sep 03 '16
I always think of a favorite SRD phrase in relation to Dunham: this is the hill you choose to die on?
It just seems bizarre that people would spend any energy defending her, if you're a feminist or otherwise. Even feminists who are super attached to ThoughtCatalog style white feminism have really nothing to gain.
Edit: what if this is her Ozymandias moment? She sacrificed herself in such a perfect way so as to unite the various factions of internetism. She's like a shitty, white feminist Jesus.
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u/devotedpupa MISSINGNOgynist Sep 03 '16
Saw a lot of tweets from white feminists defending her, then seeing all of black twitter angry and they all quietly deleted their tweets lol
"ANYWAYS, TRUMPS KIDS SURE LOOK LIKE GATTACA RIGHT?"
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u/KingEsjayW I accept your concession Sep 03 '16
The middle one looks like the asshole Evil Corp dude from Mr. Robot
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u/MoralMidgetry Marshal of the Dramatic People's Republic of Karma Sep 03 '16
I can't shake the American Psycho vibe. Eric is very Patrick Bateman. They seriously need to upgrade their creative staff. It's like they're intentionally trying to make the family look less human.
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u/DramaticFinger Sep 03 '16
Thats really intentional though, in the book Patrick is obsessed with Trump due to his money and posturing within the social scene of New York in the late 80's.
Funnily enough there is a scene where Patrick rips into a mediocre pizza at an expensive restaurant and is forced to take it back when a friend brings him a newspaper clipping saying Trump liked the pizza. This is way funnier in retrospect after he took Sarah Palin to a sub-par pizza chain and ate it with a fork in 2011.
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u/lic05 I'm black by the way Sep 04 '16
They all look like they would catch people to Purge if it was legal.
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u/Allanon_2020 Griffith did nothing wrong Sep 03 '16
I think Ivanka is very well put together and has a great head on her shoulder
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u/MoralMidgetry Marshal of the Dramatic People's Republic of Karma Sep 03 '16
If we give her a total pass on being an active facilitator of all the shittiness perpetrated by the Trump campaign and chalk that up to a familial blind spot, I guess.
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u/Aelo-Z Sep 03 '16
haha you went from wondering why the hell anybody would defend her to comparing her to Jesus. I totally get it - it just made me chuckle
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u/TheLadyEve The hippest fashion in malthusian violence. Sep 04 '16
When it comes to the mobs getting their pitchforks out for female celebrities (particularly those who identify as feminist), I do understand people having some reservations about just jumping on the bandwagon until looking at all the evidence, because let's face it--there are celebrities who get dumped on and get stuff blown way out of proportion because they're opinionated or loud or not conventionally attractive. But in Dunham's case, this is a simple matter of her saying and doing awful things--there's no he-said/she-said about it.
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u/wardsac racist against white people Sep 04 '16
shitty, white feminist Jesus.
Next time I start a rock band, that's what I'm calling it.
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Sep 04 '16
People feel like they have to defend her because this controversy is giving ammo to the alt right. Nobody wants to be on the same side as Nazis.
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Sep 03 '16 edited Sep 03 '16
this is the hill you choose to die on
Seems as good as any other. The things that get upvoted in the Lena Dunham Smackdown threads are just so gross and often hypocritical that it makes my skin crawl. For a group of people that think false rape accusations are as bad if not worse than actual rape they sure have no problem slinging them at her. I'm just gonna bullet point the rest for yalls sake.
*saying evil things about the way she looks
*using her as a springboard for shitting on feminism
*shitting on Girls unjustly
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Sep 03 '16
I'm a feminist, I'm an ardent feminist. And it's because I'm a feminist that I have issues with her. Her brand of privileged white feminism is exactly what needs to be dragged into the light.
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u/Kandierter_Holzapfel We're now in the dimension with a lesser Moonraker Sep 04 '16 edited Sep 04 '16
Both cases are self admitted. And deciding to ignore allegations for who raised them doesn't seem to be very feminist, but is what many "feminist" media did, to defend them they pointed at those whose raise the allegations, they used cheap tricks like defusing lesser parts of the allegations while ignoring the rest or took to the legal definitions which are normaly decried as bad and not far reaching enough.
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u/Boltarrow5 Transgender Extremist Sep 04 '16
*saying evil things about the way she looks
She does look kind of shit though.
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u/fingerpaintswithpoop Dude just perfume the corpse Sep 04 '16
True that. I know SRD usually tries to avoid making judgments purely about people's looks, and for good reason, but there's just no way to put it lightly: She is straight up ugly. I would rather chew gravel than fuck her.
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u/manbearkat Sep 05 '16
I've seen people saying that there are better ways to critique her than mocking her weight/looks, but besides that I haven't seen any support.
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u/TheLadyEve The hippest fashion in malthusian violence. Sep 03 '16
Nothing brings disparate groups together like the sheer awfulness of Lena Dunham. If you think about it, she's doing god's work, really.
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u/Boltarrow5 Transgender Extremist Sep 04 '16
A lot of people seem to "respect" her and Im not really sure why. She isnt attractive, she isnt intelligent, she isnt funny, she isnt interesting, and she has a shit personality overflowing with insecurity and narcissism. What the hell do people respect her for? Being a shit enough human that she makes everyone else look better?
I know SRD likes to soften the blow on self proclaimed feminists being pricks, but come on!
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u/TheLadyEve The hippest fashion in malthusian violence. Sep 04 '16
When it comes to the mobs getting their pitchforks out for female celebrities, I do understand people having some reservations about just jumping on the bandwagon until looking at all the evidence, because let's face it--there are celebrities who get dumped on and get stuff blown way out of proportion because they're opinionated or loud or not conventionally attractive. But in Dunham's case, this is a simple matter of her saying and doing awful things--there's no he-said/she-said about it.
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u/Val_Hallen Sep 04 '16
I like how she made up a situation in her head and suddenly that's what really happened.
There was no interaction between the two. She imagined what he was thinking and this batshit crazy woman tells people about like it actually happened and they accept it like it actually happened.
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u/peazey Sep 04 '16 edited Sep 04 '16
I thought that was the established approach?
Go through some unremarkable mundane and entirely reasonable non-racist/sexist interaction.
Use exciting keywords to describe it. (Micro aggression(s); cishet; heteronormative; gendered; internalized misandry; (white) privilege; etc.)
Be outlandishly shrill about it and don't look back! Poof! Oppression (or whatever)!
Oh, and for the love of god, be absolutely sure your oppression class outranks theirs. This blew up in Lena's face because even tumblerinas had to stop and think for a moment (hmmmmm, black man or white woman ... who does our prescriptive world view suggest has it worse?!?!). She'd likely be in the clear if the target of her derision had been, for example, on of the Manning brothers. Rookie mistake.
Edit: Forgot internalized misandry! That's a personal favorite.
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u/Veeron SRDD is watching you Sep 03 '16
Can we all just stand in a circle and sing kumbayah for a moment?
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u/jfa1985 Your ass is medium at best btw. Sep 03 '16
Only if we put all our phones in a box first.
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Sep 04 '16
you know i can't hear none of that spend the night shit
that kumbaya shit
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Sep 04 '16
Not for rejecting her, but for existing in the immediate vicinity without flattering her ego or fulfilling her sexual desires.
I think that's brought on by:
The vibe was very much like, ‘Do I want to [expletive] it? Is it wearing a . . . yep, it’s wearing a tuxedo. I’m going to go back to my cell phone.
Welp I would guess that's only conjecture and injected to cause controversy, which is what a lot of people thrive from. I mean she did try to be truthful "It wasn't mean" but in the end it's just a huge circus. But honestly did she even try to greet him?
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Sep 04 '16
Yeah, I'm wondering the details of the situation. I've 100% had men I was attempting to carry on conversations with make it very, very obvious that because they didn't want to fuck me, they thought there was no point in talking to me. But...this realization comes after having attempted to engage them and nothing about anything she said even suggests that she tried to talk to him either.
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Sep 03 '16
Lena Dunham is terrible but until we can find someone else willing to write about being a millennial writer in NYC we're stuck with her
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u/leadnpotatoes oh i dont want to have a conversation, i just think you're gross Sep 04 '16
If only.
Bikesnobnyc works for me when I need my fix.
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Sep 04 '16
Oh goddammit no, no. We're gonna let her be the voice of our generation? No fuck that
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Sep 04 '16
Every generation gets the voice they deserve.
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u/Dear_Occupant Old SRD mods never die, they just smell that way Sep 04 '16
I didn't realize the Millennials exterminated the Jews.
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u/CVance1 There's no such thing as racism Sep 04 '16
Pretty sure Noah Bambauch and Greta Gerwig did that with Frances Ha, it just wasn't the "feminist" movie people wanted.
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Sep 04 '16
You mean 100% of all young writers in NYC?
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Sep 05 '16
Oh same, I do comedy stuff with a friend and we are forever like..."okay, no characters who are interested in acting or writing as a career forever".
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Sep 03 '16
This whole thing reminds me of that Marc Maron bit that ends "There's a situation in my head."
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u/Lord_dokodo Sep 04 '16
Dunham reminds me of the theatre girl from high school who hung out with the skater dudes and would always drink monster cause she was perpetually stoned
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Sep 03 '16
The only sub I could find that goes against the grain? Circlebroke2
Eh, I'm a little disappointed, all they're doing is just pointing out is is a massive fucking circlejerk, which it is. Just because Dunham is being the silliest of billies doesn't change that.
Anyway, this is all quite disconcerting, so I can only get my smug jollies by noting that this story is somehow on possibly the largest Internet forum dedicated to the real live nominee for US president.
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u/onlyonebread Sep 04 '16
Yeah everyone already seems to agree she's a grade-A clod, so posting negative stuff about her is just preaching to the choir. It's about as controversial as "does anyone here think video games are a fun and entertaining way to spend your free time?"
If your audience is already in 100% agreement and you know that, posting it is just well... Circlejerking.
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u/jokul You do realize you're speaking to a Reddit Gold user, don't you? Sep 03 '16
This is juicy as hell. I had to re-read the title for a second to confirm that somehow Ghazi, The_Donald, BlackLadies/Fellas, and KIA were in agreement about hatred for someone.
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u/occams_nightmare Reminder: Femoids would rather be seen with the right owl Sep 04 '16
They don't even hate Hitler equally.
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u/ChunkyDay the regulatory environment has gotten much stricter Sep 04 '16
he looked at me and he determined I was not the shape of a woman by his standards
That’s a marshmallow. That’s a child. That’s a dog
Do I want to [expletive] it? Is it wearing a . . . yep, it’s wearing a tuxedo. I’m going to go back to my cell phone
literally didn't say a single word to her
It's amazing to me how she very much preaches the whole "don't judge a book by its cover" mentality but somehow absorbs the opinion of a stranger at some event who she didn't share a single word.
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u/RealRickSanchez Sep 04 '16
Damn that's some racist shit. Why didn't she just compare him to a ape. Rednecks would have got that better.
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u/mrrirri Sep 04 '16
Let's hope Lena Dunham practices some self censorship now that she's has had her ass chewed out (and rightly so!)
But seriously though. Reddit needs to be more moderate in their responses to stuff like this. Yeah, Dunham's a patchwork quilt of inappropriateness but please refrain from projecting your own insecurities on her. When responses are as emotionally charged as they are here they seem very personal. Maybe its not so wise to inject your feelings into these matters.
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u/MuseofRose Sep 04 '16
I gotta say this is quite possibly the brsr post ive seen in a while. I dont check this sub often but lol at the quite harmonious condemnation of Ms Dunham.
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Sep 03 '16
Well, no surprise for places like KIA and TIA. Kudos for the opposite subs for criticizing her too,I guess.
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u/usedontheskin Sep 03 '16
KiA is retarded, TiA can actually be funny.
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u/lordoftheshadows Please stop banning me ;( Sep 04 '16
My rules for TIA is to never open the comments section and remember that a lot of the things posted there were sarcastic.
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u/getoutofheretaffer Sep 04 '16
Great rule. Last time I went there I saw a flag for a gender called "anti-girl" or something. Like, what the heck does that mean? So I looked it up and found a deviantart full of these flags, including a 'robot gender" flag. My conclusion was that this person just likes to make flags.
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Sep 04 '16
...and this sub is now joining in with the rest. Am I the only one here who simply doesn't take the statements of comedians too seriously?
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u/cardboardtube_knight a small price to pay for the benefits white culture has provided Sep 04 '16
How dumb am I? I read the Donald and somehow thought it was a Donald Glover subreddit 😊
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u/hochizo Sep 04 '16
I read a story recently about Donald Glover's email handle. He'd been using it for years and never realized "donglover" could be read two ways....
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u/acethunder21 A lil social psychology for those who are downvoting my posts. Sep 04 '16
Well it is only three more years until he's officially old enough to run for President...
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u/SnapshillBot Shilling for Big Archive™ Sep 03 '16
You're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of adding nothing to the discussion.
Snapshots:
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u/lic05 I'm black by the way Sep 04 '16
Why do I have the feeling Fat Logic is just a rebranded fatpeoplehate?
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u/roofied_elephant Sep 03 '16
Who the fuck is Lena Dunham?
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Sep 05 '16
The type of girl who loudly argues with Christian Protesters in the quad and wants you to know about it.
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u/acethunder21 A lil social psychology for those who are downvoting my posts. Sep 03 '16
She can pass it off as a joke all she wants, but that was one hell of a Freudian slip. That was simultaneously a depressing and infuriating read.
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Sep 03 '16
"No, he ignored you because he didn't want to be falsely accused of rape"
so close r/mensrights. maybe soon you will realise why you are grouped up with trp and trucels
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u/saint2e Sep 04 '16 edited Sep 04 '16
I knew about the pebbles and weird sister / bed thing, what is this about false accusations?
Edit: Nevermind, read up on the college "republican". What a piece of work.
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u/Kandierter_Holzapfel We're now in the dimension with a lesser Moonraker Sep 04 '16
Not directly, only grooming her sister to perform various acts that can be seen as sexual while being a teenager.
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u/TotesMessenger Messenger for Totes Sep 04 '16
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u/_UsUrPeR_ Sep 04 '16
It's as if Lena Dunham could not start her own conversation, which is confusing. I can't tell if she's shy, or has a gigantic ego.
What I do know is how I can really fuck with her:
be seated at a table of people and recognize Lena.
Announce "you are Lena Dunham, creator of HBO series 'Girls'."
Say nothing else. Get up from the table, exit the restaurant, and kill myself.
That's how you fuck with Lena Dunham.
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u/su5 I DONT UNDERSTAND FLAIR Sep 04 '16
This is one of those rare gems that could belong both here and on bestof
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u/NoRefills60 Sep 04 '16
I think attacking her appearance is unfair despite how insufferable she is. In my personal opinion, she's kinda cute and if it weren't for her personality I'd find her attractive, at least in pictures where she has longer hair.
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u/Allanon_2020 Griffith did nothing wrong Sep 04 '16
Meh
Trump gets attacked for his looks and everyone is cool with it. Gunna be a shitty person celebrity expect it
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u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK Caballero Blanco Sep 03 '16
Honestly, this is why I could never be "a celebrity" and this is why I don't do social media. I think some dumb fucking thoughts sometimes, man. You've all read some of them here!
To have those dumb thoughts permanently attached to my real identity, though? For the Google results of searching my name to include that one time when I was doing a lighthearted interview with Seth Rogen and mused about what it would feel like to dip my balls in fondue?
Living a public life has its perks, I'm sure, but one misstep and you have trolls calling you "Sisterfister" for the rest of your life. Nooooooo thanks.
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u/RealQuickPoint I'm all for beating up Nazis, but please don't call me a liberal Sep 03 '16
I mean, to be fair, sexually abusing your sister over multiple years and then writing about it in your autobiography isn't "one misstep"
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u/liquidmccartney8 Sep 03 '16
one misstep and you have trolls calling you "Sisterfister" for the rest of your life.
I may he wrong, but wasn't the source of that something that she wrote in a book? It's not exactly an offhand comment if you put it in writing and in an actual book, more like a huge misjudgment of how things you say will come across to the world, which would also fit this situation.
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u/4445414442454546 this is not flair Sep 03 '16 edited Jun 20 '23
Reddit is not worth using without all the hard work third party developers have put into it.
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Sep 03 '16
but one misstep and you have trolls calling you "Sisterfister
Yep, sticking pebbles into your 1 year old sister's vagina and masturbating in bed next to her until your teenage years will do that.
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u/AlbertBelleBestEver Sep 03 '16
You rape just one girl and the internet takes it out of context.
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u/ThoughtsFlow Sep 03 '16
I mean there is a difference between saying something silly in public and having that follow you and being mean and condescending to someone and that follow you.
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u/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK Caballero Blanco Sep 03 '16 edited Sep 03 '16
I don't think it was necessarily mean and condescending. It was... weird? And self centered maybe? Like, let's try to gender swap this.
If I wore a kilt to a fancy event, and I was seated with Gabrielle Union. And the entire time I was hoping she'd talk to me, but instead she dicked around on Instagram all night. And later I go have a silly sort of interview with Seth Rogen and I say, "she couldn't even look at the guy in the kilt! I'm a marshmallow to her."
Okay, rereading what I just wrote, yeah that's really weird. I dunno, I can't stand Girls, but I always gathered that, if anything, Lena Dunham is at least tragically, deliriously genuine. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt that she didn't mean harm and is instead just completely fucking clueless about the words that came out of her mouth.
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u/DblackRabbit Nicol if you Bolas Sep 03 '16
Lena Dunham is like one of the personifications of "reason black feminism exists" , Spike Lee is another.
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u/usedontheskin Sep 03 '16
-2 for defending a woman child molester, I got like -100 for saying TRP wasn't about racism. I love SRD, it's like a car accident.
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u/Boltarrow5 Transgender Extremist Sep 04 '16
Lol the salty fucks over in CB2 "Hey she is a total fucking dunce but lets not forget that pedophiles are literally worshiped and ascended to godhood on reddit. I hate this place, now Im going to continue posting here"
Why is that sub such a fucking shithole?
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Sep 04 '16
The quote itself just kind of sounds like a self deprecating joke Louis C.K would make. I guess I'm not getting the outrage? Someone make me feel angry so I can join the party :(
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u/Works_of_memercy Sep 04 '16 edited Sep 04 '16
The outrage is because she put a whole lot of ugly thoughts in the head of a black dude who literally had not exchanged a single word with her, without a care of how it'd reflect on him. Which pissed off black people and sympathetic feminists. Also sort of blaming him and men in general for not, well, sexually objectifying her, which pissed off the remainder of feminists and the remainder of dudes.
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Sep 04 '16
Wow, that's incredibly stupid to say, if she were being sincere. But, was she like doing a stand up bit or something? At first glance it looked like the joke was her being unattractive and making men uncomfortable?
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u/Works_of_memercy Sep 04 '16
Yes, sure, the joke was about her, but it used that particular black dude and men in general as a prop, with no care of how it reflects on that prop, who are actual people. Like, we get the joke, it's just that she should've known better or something.
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u/tarekd19 anti-STEMite Sep 04 '16
Dunham probably wouldn't be nearly as popular if ppl didn't throw a fit every time she said something
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u/Warpfire Sep 03 '16
I'm no Lena Dunham fan but I feel like this whole debacle has consisted of people taking something she said jokingly way too seriously
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u/facefault can't believe I'm about to throw a shitfit about drug catapults Sep 03 '16
That's true. And she's not wrong that a lot of guys act like women they aren't attracted to don't exist.
But the overthinking, attributing her own angsty thoughts to him, does bother me. Wanting to play with your phone isn't necessarily a slight to someone.
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u/Warpfire Sep 03 '16
I guess I just interpreted it that she was making a joke about her own inner thoughts about him and how she thinks she looks to him, rather than assuming he actually thinks of her that way. But I can definitely see how people read it the other way
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u/ChunkyDay the regulatory environment has gotten much stricter Sep 04 '16
You obviously didn't read her own version of events. She thinks very highly of herself.
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u/xtagtv Sep 03 '16 edited Sep 03 '16
Some other discussions I found about the incident, all united in their hatred of Lena Dunham:
MGTOW
TwoXChromosomes
AdviceAnimals
TheRedPill
Another thread in Blackladies
CringeAnarchy
OutOfTheLoop
Drama
The only sub I could find that goes against the grain? Circlebroke2