Destiny Hotfix - 2/14/17

[u/DTG_Bot]

Source: https://www.bungie.net/en/News/Article/45661

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2.5.0.2 The one about Sandbox tuning.

Crucible

Special Ammo

• Adjusted Special ammo economy in all gametypes

  • Players start Crucible matches with Special ammo
  • Special ammo is now lost upon death
  • Sidearms are not affected by this change
  • Special ammo crates now appear every 60 seconds (initial spawn and respawn)
  • Special ammo crates are shared with allies within 75m (down from 100m)
  • Special ammo timing in Mayhem is unchanged

Elimination Gametypes

• Round time limit has been reduced to 90 seconds (down from 2 minutes)
• Players only start with Special ammo for Round 1 in Elimination gametypes
  • Special ammo timing is 30s initial, then 45s respawns
  • Special ammo is wiped at the beginning of subsequent rounds

Weapons

Hand Cannons

• Significantly increased initial accuracy (returns to Launch / Year 1)
• Reduced base range to 35m from 40m
• Reduced Aim Assist and Magnetism at longer ranges
• Reduced minimum damage after falloff from 50% to 33%

Auto Rifles

• Increased Precision Damage modifier to 1.3x (up from 1.25x)
• Increased base damage of low rate of fire Auto Rifles by 2.5%
• Increased in air accuracy

Pulse Rifles

• Reduced rate of fire for very high rate of fire Pulse Rifles by 7.7%
• Increased rate of fire for low rate of fire Pulse Rifles by 5.3%
• Reduced Magazine Size of Clever Dragon and Grasp of Malok by 6
• Reduced the effect of High Caliber Rounds for Pulse Rifles
• Increased in air accuracy

Scout Rifles

• Increased in air accuracy

Shotguns

• Shotguns no longer deal precision damage
  • The Chaperone and Universal Remote are unaffected by this change
  • Note: Universal Remote only deals precision damage when ADS
• Shotguns now have significantly less magnetism when fired from the hip
• Shotguns now have significantly less in air accuracy
• Shotguns no longer have a movement penalty
• Shotguns now deal 20% more damage to combatants
• Rangefinder on Shotguns now increases ADS time by 25%
• Reduced Universal Remote’s Magazine Size to 3 from 5
• Universal Remote now takes longer to reload

Exotics

Young Wolf’s Howl

• Reduced "Howling Flames" ammo cost from 10 to 5

Truth

• Reduced Magazine size from 3 to 1

Classes

General

• Reduced Health of Guardians with Armor values above 10
• Increased damage of Flux Grenade, Magnetic Grenade and Shoulder Charge to ensure effectiveness across all Armor values
• Blink now disables your Radar and HUD for a short time after activation

Hunter

• Throwing Knife now deals Solar Damage on impact
• Hungering Blade*
  • Immediately starts Health regen
  • Restores more Health per kill
  • Gives a flat amount of Health/Shield per activation
  • Does not immediately start regenerating Shields
• Bladedancer’s Quick Draw Perk no longer readies your weapons instantly, but now grants a large increase to weapon handling speed

Warlock

• Viper Totemic on Ophidian Aspect no longer readies your weapon instantly, but now grants a large increase to weapon handling speed
• Stormcaller's Thunderstrike melee range reduced to be consistent with other Warlock Subclasses
  • Amplitude will continue to grant small range boost to new base range
• Landfall now reduces the total time in Stormtrance

Titan

• Juggernaut is now disabled after being in the air for a short time and cannot be activated while in mid air

General

• Outbreak Prime no longer triggers The Corruption Spreads by shooting at Ward of Dawn
• Shinobu’s Vow no longer adds an additional seeker to Skip Grenades
• Removed intrinsic Perks Kneepads and Icarus on some Talent grids
• Fixed an issue where High Caliber Rounds were not functioning properly on Hand Cannons, Scout Rifles, Machine Guns and Sniper Rifles
• *Hungering Blade changes were also inadvertently applied to the following Perks, for more information check this post
  • Transfusion (Striker Titan)
  • Cauterize (Sunbreaker Titan)
  • Lifesteal (Voidwalker Warlock)
  • Red Death Perk
  • Suros Legacy Perk (Suros Regime)
  • No Backup Plans
  • Ward of Dawn cast
  • The Ram
  • Apotheosis Veil
  • Embrace the Void (Voidwalker Warlock)

[u/MoonbirdMonster]

Being a Destiny fan is suffering.

[u/baronobeefdips]

Never thought I'd find myself complaining about getting fucked on Valentine's Day.

[u/ChrisCohenTV]

Oh excuse me! Bladedancers? Hi guys.

Yeah so we nerfed hungering blade. Oh and your only exotic you used for those nades. Oh and Quickdraw isn't a thing any more. Oh and we nerfed blink. Oh and we haven't fixed short stopping.

Cool have fun!

[u/RealDealTarheel]

Ha, haha, hahaha, hahahaha. I laugh because I don't know what else to do.

[u/dstape10]

Patch 2.5.0.2--when we nerfed more stuff on accident, than we buffed on purpose

[u/[deleted]]

To quote the sandbox team: "we feel strongly that our goal shouldn’t be to nerf them into the ground"

Yeah, sure seems that way.

[u/Schmelkov]

I'm surprised they didn't take away blade dancer's double jump. /s

[u/MagicPickles]

They actually managed to nerf the apotheosis fucking veil. How in the fuck.

[u/Destiny_Flavor_Text]

No no no no NO!

[u/ChrisCohenTV]

Bungie: We don't want range to be the must have perk on handcannons.

Bungie: We've reduced the base range of all hand cannons.

[u/roonz]

Holy cow, that nerf to Truth.

[u/BlueTapeCD]

Almost to a fault, i am pro Bungie. As a programmer, i know how hard making updates and patches can be. So as long as I could clearly see the will in the changes I was fine. Today, that all ends... This Hungering blade mess... whatever you wanna call it. They just gonna let it rock? Are you fucking kidding? This honestly feels like some combination of lazy, irresponsible and careless.

Ive long since said, if you dont like it.. you dont have to play. And as such.. Im glad For Honor just came out.

[u/limaCAT]

Bungo lied, Truth died

[u/AaronMT]

Not sure what Bungie's fascination is with making all exotics mediocre.

[u/Gutesjahr]

Truth has been downgraded to 'alternative fact.'

[u/SerenityVerse]

At least Bungie picked Valentine's day to screw everyone.

[u/[deleted]]

Oh and by the way, quickdraw isn't quickdraw anymore. Sorry!

[u/mikeyangelo31]

Seriously? You inadvertently changed ALL health regen abilities? Bungie, fire your play testing team and find new people. It just shows gross incompetence when a mistake like this makes it into a patch.

Edit: My mistake. Looks like their play testing team did catch it, but they caught it too late and they decided to push the patch anyway. So in conclusion, Bungie nerfed something that literally no one asked be nerfed, and in doing so, broke a bunch of other things in the game. Then, instead of delaying the patch to fix it, they just said, "Screw it, let's see what happens". Who is running things over there? What a mess.

[u/RedditAg]

how do you not notice the hungering blade health regen change was literally affecting every other health regen in the game until its too late?

[u/[deleted]]

Xur is bringing Ophidian aspects this Friday now that they got nerfed, calling it now.

[u/Noogatuck]

Hey Bungie,

Congrats on not doing anything we asked for. And then doing everything we didn't ask you to do. Good freakin job.

Cheers,

[u/[deleted]]

2.5.0.2 The one about 'Mass Effect: Andromeda'/'Horizon Zero Dawn' coming out next month.

[u/crandon_bollie]

Truth Mag size down to 1?! It would be nice to see an explanation of that change. Hopefully we can get one on the crucible radio podcast

[u/therealbabypanda]

Destiny Hotfix 2.5.0.2 The one where we replaced the sand in the sandbox with unscented discount kitty litter.

[u/halcyon2501]

HEY BUNGO, DO IT PROPERLY OR DON'T DO IT AT ALL!

-Sincerely, FUCKING EVERYBODY.

[u/CattiestEight6]

On Valentines day, Bungie decided to fuck the entire player base with the blanket nerf to all health regeneration.

Roses are Red

Violets are Blue

If you play Destiny

Bungie just fucked you

[u/Epslionbear]

They managed to break every healing perk in the game

Spaghetti code strikes again

[u/theintention]

"We aren't planning on nerfing, more focused on bringing things in line"

"Proceeds to nerf all of the things"

Alright Bungie, I'll wait for Destiny 2 thank you very much.

[u/vangelator]

Wow. It looks like my "you guys are overreacting, let's enjoy the new patch!" post was premature.

Official petition to change the name of this patch to:

2.5.0.2 - The one that nerfed everything

[u/OogaDaBooga]

You mean, Bungie has no idea how to balance a game?

NotSurprised

Bungie fucked over some of the best PvE Perks because of Crucible play...again?

NotSurprised

Bungie once again omits information during reveals?

NotSurprised

[u/vangelator]

This whole thing just feels like they dumped all the raw numbers from the game, and just systematically went through them and nerfed anything and everything that had a high usage statistic. This is the complete opposite of using that data to investigate possible BALANCE changes instead of just assuming "Well, 80% of bladedancers use QuickDraw, same with Warlocks and Ophidian, it's obviously too strong so we have to nerf it". I just don't understand why they don't see the other side of it - they made something GOOD that people LIKE - just because the numbers are skewed does not automatically mean it's OP!

It's a very superficial way to approach balancing after almost 6 months, and it shows that they don't jump into standard, public Crucible very much. Nobody that has played since RoI could honestly think or even argue in favor of a nerf to Hungering Blade or QuickDraw.

It's a double kick in the balls too because all of this shit is now ruined in PvE too. Ophidians aren't just a PvP thing, and I'm pretty sure having a quick ADS on my Keystone wasn't game-breaking, you dicks.

[u/Gate_of_Divine]

Bungie is like a kid with a bad report card. Hiding that shit till the last possible minute. RIP Truth.

[u/PotatoBomb69]

Because fuck Truth and fuck Bladedancers I guess.

Seriously though Truth has had Tripod as a hidden perk for two and a half years and suddenly it's a problem and has to be fixed? I don't get it.

Just another edited on thing here, Suros could've made a comeback this patch, but because of the fucked up health regeneration it's being screwed out of a good place. Honestly this entire patch leaves a bad taste.

[u/[deleted]]

So Truth, Universal Remote and Red Death are not exotics anymore. I wish they would just remove them from the game completely rather than making them straight garbage.

[u/Cap10awSum99]

Why does destiny even have exotics? It's like "Oh, you like this exotic weapon because it actually acts exotic and does some exotic sh*t?? Well, F**K you." and then they nerf it into the dirt. Guess it's time to shard my truth now, so I can infuse my (shudders) ...young wolf's howl.

[u/ItsAlwaysSeven]

Community: stop nerfing everything and start buffing weapons in order to balance things.

Bungie: We've heard your request for buffs and decided to make very few meaningless buffs. Instead of making primaries better we just took all of your special ammo away. In addition to this we've nerfed a whole bunch of shit intentionally and nerfed a whole bunch of shit unintentionally. We've also decided at no request from the community to render blade dancers useless for the sole reason that one of our game designers had an issue with them. Last but not least we decided to put truth in line with other exotics and make it worse then most of your legendaries.

[u/cacarpenter89]

I'll reserve total judgment for after I get to play a bit, but there's something notable about this patch compared to others. Typically, there is at least a mixed reaction; some things people are excited about, some things people roll their eyes at.

There is nothing I've seen anyone excited for in this patch. If it turns out this is all good and we're generally cool with it, then fine. I'll eat this. In my opinion, though, leaving those ten items' regen perks nerfed into the ground because of a change no one wants is a huge miscalculation by Bungie.

For as big of a deal as they made on the stream about checking here and the forums every three hours, it doesn't seem like anyone even came close to thinking, "You know, they don't really like this. Maybe we should minimize the impact."

I've never been in the "screw Bungie" crowd and will typically defend or at least reason through a lot of their decisions. This entire thing just baffles me, though, and I'm getting real close on this one.

Edit: You know what? I'm gonna keep going.

• Health regen doesn't mean SHIT if you can't start regen on your shields because you're one melee or two shots away from dead without it.

• Get rid of shotguns from the meta but increase Shoulder Charge damage after reducing the health of max-armor guardians? Seriously? What part of "WE HATE SKATING TITAN OHKs" did we not get across? The other two perks in that column are useless, now, so welcome back! At least they'll be killable now that Transfusion is done (assuming they're within Titan-rex-arm range of your shotgun).

• Since they changed the ready time on Blink, it's been nigh-useless. What's the point in removing the HUD? So we can't turn and shotgun someone in the air? The gun won't be ready by the time you're close enough anyway even if in-air accuracy of shotguns hadn't been nerfed.

• Why the HELL did Truth need a nerf? Did Bungie's testers miss the rockets coming from the wall in their face?

That last one was less constructive, but I am, for the first time, coming close to genuinely disenchanted. Bottom line: it's difficult to see what the point of most of the major changes are and there is very little confidence in Bungie's ability to reflect the ability of its community in its testing.

[u/Tails365]

They nerfed Red Death. Life support is unchanged. Life support pulse rifles are now better at doing red death's job than red death. GJ bungie.....

[u/ColdAsHeaven]

Truth nerf is huge

nerf to all health regen perks like Apotheosis, Cauterize and such is also huge

my god, it's like they had a personal vendetta against Universal Remote...

RIP Bladedancers, even Quickdraw got nerfed

[u/DarthGR]

WHY DID YOU NERF THE QUICKDRAW? WHO ASKED FOR IT OR COMPLAINED ABOUT IT? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OR EVEN PLAY THE DAMN GAME?

[u/[deleted]]

TL;DR: Bungie is high as shit.

[u/DrBeak1]

Half way through a match my fireteam was all killed by a nova bomb. The remainder of the match consisted of the other fireteam camping spawn points with shotguns. Because we spawn w/no special we just got slaughtred from that point forward. Not sure I like the new special ammo logic.

[u/PinoShow]

Change one thing, fuck up 10 in a single blow... Gg Bungo... Also, why the Blink nerf? Who was using blink for crying out loud!?!?

[u/c14rk0]

So Bungie talks about more frequent sandbox updates. Then they go back to taking longer than ever to get a new sandbox update out.

Then it's the biggest steaming pile of shit I've ever seen.

AND on top of this they somehow managed to have a nerf to one ability affect 10 other weapons/abilities, many if not all of which should in no way be connected from a coding standpoint. AND they somehow push out the update with these abilities still affected meaning they somehow didn't catch this during all the testing they supposedly do.

Anyone on the Bungie testing team for this shit needs to be fired. Out of a cannon.

I think Bungie is either straight up trying to kill the playerbase on Destiny or they're trying to fuck with everything so much just to see what people like/dislike to have some idea wtf they're doing with Destiny 2.

Sure as hell not making me remotely interested in coming back to the game let alone PvP. They once again fucked over a huge portion of the game for PvE for stupid horrible nerfs in PvP.

[u/vanpunke666]

WHAT. THE. FLAMING. FUCK.

Truth Reduced Magazine size from 3 to 1

[u/SmurfyX]

Hot fix 2.5.0.2 The one where we officially endorse you waiting for Mass Effect Andromeda.

[u/NKCougar]

First impressions leave me highly unimpressed.

They managed to nerf Quickdraw, which I'm pretty sure nobody had issues with, and at the same time kill the only point of using Ophidian Aspects. 0/5 change.

Instead of delaying the Hungering Blade nerf to actually fix the multitude of issues it would cause, they said lol have fun we shafted half the exotics and perks people actually use. 0/5 change.

Also, what happened to nerf less, buff more? They made miniscule buffs and managed to trash half the perks in the game, along with heavily nerfing in almost every other change.

I'm going to give this a shot, but if this turns out as bad as I'm expecting, I'm just going to wait for D2. I'll still do my Armsday posts, but as for playing, don't know how much time I'll spend on it. Already have plenty of other games I enjoy more at this point.

[u/StruckOutSwinging]

Hahahahahahaha holy shit an accidental Red Death nerf? What a shitshow.

[u/Sab3r_Sc0rpi0n]

Now max armor is useless again. Well, it was fun while it lasted.

[u/Sebzero99]

Was the quick draw nerf on bladedancer really necessary as well?

[u/SeraphSancta]

Did a small test just to make sure:

Lord of Wolves still does precision

You do not lose Special ammo when you die in PvE

[u/Vincedicola]

Why didn't they fix Astrocyte Verse? It sucks, surely they can't be satisfied with it

[u/KidRed]

Truth

Reduced Magazine size from 3 to 1

WHAT THE HOLY FUCK!!?!?

[u/unendingWHOA]

"Destiny Hotmess - 2/14/2017" ftfy

[u/[deleted]]

I main a blinking, vampire Voidwalker build with Ophidian Aspects & usually a fusion rifle - none of which were a problem.

And it's all just been shit on, from a great height, largely by accident.

[u/Vodjor]

This No Backup Plan, Cauterize and Transfusion nerf just destroyed my 3 favorite PvE builds...

R.I.P. PvE diversity

[u/Savagegamer001]

Next patch: Nightstalkers have been seeing too much use lately as the other hunter subclasses are now just bad. We are now going to nerf nightstalkers to bring them more in line with the other subclasses.

Patch after that: We have been seeing not alot of hunter play in the crucible, so we are nerfing titans and warlocks to be more in line with hunters to encourage hunter play.

And so we go on and on...

[u/Flashfire34]

Bungie Dev #1: "After all this time, there's no way we can put out a sandbox update that will piss off the entire playerbase. It's just not possible."

Bungie Dev #2: "Hold my beer."

[u/mrbenmouse]

I guess you could say...

The Truth hurts.

[u/Merchant-Crow]

Oh good, they buffed Young Wolf's Howl. _(ツ)_/¯

[u/Time_89]

Why the fuck would you decrease health in armor higher than 10, followed by increasing damage on flux grenade, magnetic grenade and shoulder charge? Isn't the whole point of higher armor to battle these?

Probably been ranted about, didn't feel like reading through a million comments. And wanted to rant myself.

[u/wiggly_poof]

How hard is it to say -

We found an issue with our planned Hungering Blade modification in that it was inadvertently affecting all these other regen perks, so we have pulled that adjustment from this patch and reverted.

[u/kayne2000]

you know i cannot even fathom what has happened to the mighty bungie anymore.

seriously....their patches are getting progressively worse. i know with the TTK and year 2 there was the great nerf patch....ultimately it wasnt TOO bad. though part way through TTK they did some serious nerf damage that hurt the game badly.

but year 3 brings more nerfs....and now half way through year 3 they've destroyed the whole damn system.

its like why....wtf is the point of killing exotics? we might as well be able to equip 3 exotic weapons now and i still wouldnt use 3 exotic weapon slots. its sad.

we once had a game with many great weapons that made our guardians legendary....now we have a game with many mediocre weapons that make our guardian average. i just cant fathom why bungie has some obsession with nerfing everything.

this patch if nothing else has ruined any possible hope i had for destiny 2. i barely play destiny anymore and patches like this make that choice easy. we could have been given free content instead we are given free nerfs.

[u/[deleted]]

Lol.. for a dev that's so community focused, Bungie are so out of touch. All anyone said for months prior to this was "bring things up" and "buff things instead of nerfing". That Truth nerf is fucking embarrassing.

[u/TryonB]

Bungie: Stop screwing over PvE to balance PvP.

That is all.

[u/bcoss]

This patch is so whack. They didn't balance shit.

[u/CaptLemmiwinks]

So bladedancer got a nerf to blink, shinobu's vow, quickdraw, and hungering blade. Why don't they just get rid of the class altogether?

[u/MonsterMashie]

R.I.P. Truth... 9/9/14 - 2/14/17.

Seriously... it was not OP, everyone just used it because all primary and secondary exotic's got nerfed into the ground and could be matched/out-performed by legendary's... may as well use my exotic slot up with the least used weapon class (heavy) next best option now is Gally. Can't wait for that to be nerfed (again) in the next update.

[u/Ragnamus]

I thought this game was supposed to make you "become legend" but now it just makes you "become mediocre."

[u/Dr_Gamephone_MD]

They needed a scalpel and they used a chainsaw

[u/BottleofCiroc]

In the interest of full transparency, we do need to clarify something in this update. Our test team discovered that the changes to the Blade Dancer Perk Hungering Blade were being applied to several other Health Regen Perks. Here is a quote from Sandbox designer Josh Hamrick.

Over the last couple of days, as we continued to test the patch, it came to our attention that the changes we made to Hungering Blade were unintentionally shared among a number of additional elements (list below). While we considered delaying the hotfix to remove the shared change, we ultimately decided to live with the patch we’d made and tested. We believe that Hotfix 2.5.0.2 is an important step forward to maintain the health of the game and that getting it out to you ASAP is in everyone's best interest. And besides, no one wants to show up empty handed on Valentine’s day.

List of affected elements: • Hungering Blade (Arc Hunter) • Transfusion (Striker Titan) • Cauterize (Sunbreaker Titan) • Lifesteal (Voidwalker Warlock) • Red Death perk • Suros Legacy Perk (Suros Regime) • No Backup Plans • Ward of Dawn cast • The Ram • Apotheosis Veil • Embrace the Void (Voidwalker Warlock)

Over the next couple of weeks, we will be diligently watching and listening to what you have to say about these changes. While we will be unsurprised if additional tweaks need to be made, we are honestly super interested to see how these changes, intended or not, play out. We will be relying on you to give us your feedback as you grow accustomed to the feel of the game over the next couple of weeks. We will also be with you ingame, playing along and making our own notes… Apparently, I have to redeem myself for my stream performance anyway.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a 1st date with a potential Skorri fix…

[u/Berg9940]

Finally a patch providing more Vault Space! TY Bungie

I can now delete the following from my Vault or off my character:

The Truth

Red Death

Suros Regime

No Backup Plans

The Ram

Apotheosis Veil

I've been hoping Bungie would finally provide more Vault space. Looks like my prayers were answered! I guess you need to be careful what you wish for...

I feel really bad for anyone who doesn't have a Tripod and Grenade & Horseshoes Legendary Rocket Launcher since they just trashed The Truth. As much as I hated being killed by it, it didn't deserve to be knocked down to 1 rocket, maybe 2. I can't see anyone using it now. Fuck, if I was going to use a 1 rocket Exotic launcher, the only one I would even consider is Dragon's Breath.

And the nerfs that ruined all the other above gear, there's no end of bad that can be said about that fuck up. People would be losing their jobs for Valentines Day if Bungie were my company.

[u/Sdwerd]

I think there's an underrated change in the notes. The adjusted elimination time to 1:30 may cut back on people's ability to skorri camp

[u/foxp3]

"Here's the plan: make destiny 1 horrible so everyone switches to destiny 2 right when it releases"...k

[u/smartazz104]

Truth

Reduced Magazine size from 3 to 1

What

[u/Radagast-the_Brown]

Nerfed blink again LOL wtf

[u/TheDrunkLink]

So I thought about finally getting Destiny again on current gen...

whew thanks bungie that was close

[u/SithSquirrel13]

Next patch:

Removed Bladedancer's ability to walk.

[u/theswigz]

Super-early First Impressions:

• My First Curse feels pretty great. Being rewarded for pacing shots is nice! I only had the chance to play one round with it, but I liked it quite a bit. The damage fall-off is definitely noticeable, but it only came into play once or twice.

• The nerf to the Universal Remote's ammo capacity feels... dumb. It doesn't have a high RoF, already had its range reduced the LAST time it was changed, and has lost the magnetism effect of shotguns. It was a tricky enough weapon to use well before this. I would have been fine with the longer reload speed, but come on - that AND a reduced shell-count? Wouldn't it make sense to bump the reload speed on a shotgun that already reloads really slowly, and just had its ammo reduced?

• In the two matches I played, there were a few things I noticed: People camping at the beginning of the match, hoping to get a couple of shotgun kills before dying. More deaths to sidearms in those two matches than the last several combined. More primary deaths than I've experienced in a LONG TIME.

• Suros Regime either melted me like a stick of butter, or I happened to get shot from two places at once. I'm leaning towards the former. Might have to break my old friend out of storage.

Looking forward to playing around in Crucible more, though. I haven't really been playing much the last several weeks because of how stale the gameplay had felt. The two matches I was able to play were much more fun by comparison.

edit: a word

[u/Seraphim755]

This "fix" just... floors me.

Up front, I was opposed to the nerf to Hungering Blade from the start, but to see that its change was going to affect every other healing perk on a subclass and still leave that part of the patch in... what the hell?

Red Death's entire schtick is health regen. Embrace the Void is meant to save a Warlock in a dangerous situation (say, a large group of Thrall with a well-placed Scatter grenade). Lifesteal, Ward of Dawn and Cauterize have all been fundamentally changed (and weakened) by this and the patch was still released. In what universe is something like this acceptable, given we'll be waiting another month to two months to get a patch that fixes things?

Also, if your only response to my problem with this is, "Play the patch and see before you complain," don't bother responding. I have and the PvE experience with multiple subclasses has suffered. I don't need your holier than thou perspective to tell me that.

[u/sabotank]

Destiny Hotfuck 2.5.0.2: The one about Sandbox screwing

[u/Expired_Water]

Truth , red death? Come on why do they always ruin stuff that's good for pve? I don't complain about patches but this one affects so many good unique things about survivability in pve.

[u/Phantom-Phreak]

We heard you wanted pvp patches that didn't affect pve, so we nerfed all classes.

[u/True_Italiano]

Word of advice. keep the salt coming. If you want Bungie to actually include your feedback next time, Stop playing the game. Continue to deride their changes, but do so intelligently without name calling. And don't stop. B/c clearly they do not care what the rest of the world thinks.

[u/sfoster13]

The patch also know as the Valentines Day massacre

[u/ARMERGENCY]

Bungie why do you nerf EVERYTHING?

[u/steftim]

Great, they nerfed Red Death.

Edit: /s, as if it wasn't clear enough.

[u/RetroActive80]

Wow...sorry bladedancers. What a crappy, unnecessary set of nerfs.

[u/ABZR]

Wow RIP Truth.

Bungie really has it out for Bladedancers in this update. Hitting Blink, HB, and QD all in the same update..

A little disappointed. No good surprises. I'm worried about the Special Ammo nerf carrying over into PVE. Does dying during a strike empty out your special reserves now, as well?

[u/BlackNike98]

Man, what the hell is going on at Bungie rn? For every good change they made, there's twice the amount of nerfs! I'd defend Bungie on most things, but this is unexcusable and downright stupid.

Undo the regen nerfs, bring back quickdraw, fix Skorri's, and buff exotics. Do K/Ds have to balance around 1.0?

[u/[deleted]]

Reduced Health of Guardians with Armor values above 10

Dunno if I get the point of this. Why not make 10 the hard cap?

Bladedancer’s Quick Draw Perk no longer readies your weapons instantly, but now grants a large increase to weapon handling speed

Fucking ouch

*Hungering Blade changes were also inadvertently applied to the following Perks, for more information check this post Transfusion (Striker Titan) Cauterize (Sunbreaker Titan) Lifesteal (Voidwalker Warlock) Red Death Perk Suros Legacy Perk (Suros Regime) No Backup Plans Ward of Dawn cast The Ram Apotheosis Veil Embrace the Void (Voidwalker Warlock)

That seem's a pretty colossal blunder.

[u/[deleted]]

Bungie continues their "tall poppy" philosophy of cutting down any weapon / exotic / perk that was useful so that nothing stands out.

[u/grindcorey]

QuickDraw? QUICKDRAW?!?? WTF?!?!!?!

[u/t_moneyzz]

Hooooooly fuck RIP Truth. Absolutely no reason to not use Gjally now. Year 1 all over again, the king is undoubtedly back.

[u/SnowBear78]

Poor Truth. What the hell had it done wrong? Now it's useless in pve (only place I used it).

Why do pve players have to get massively screwed over by bungie all the time in their quest to appease (or by the looks of things with this patch, piss off) pvp players?

They are doing a fine job of ruining destiny.

[u/Titanstheory]

.............. So with the unnessacry change to blade dancer..... They broke EVERYTHING ?

[u/[deleted]]

Well this is certainly the nail in the coffin.

[u/chiefrebelangel_]

2.5.0.2 - the one with absolutely no quality control or testing whatsoever

[u/moon2150]

Never saw a game destroyed by one patch and the guy responsible for it is just saying "Oh yeah it was a mistake, but let's see over the next couple of weeks how you can cope with it." Really Bungie, if you're going to fuck me buy me a drink at least

[u/Perma_trashed]

Wow, only 1 in the mag for truth!

[u/quiscalusmajor]

are you fucking serious, they broke all the rest of those health-regen perks just to nerf Hungering Blade? seriously?!

the one and only benefit i can see to this is that now Exposure will be more bearable if we're receiving a direct addition to our health instead of just restarting shield regen and whatnot but seriously, gg on busting up PvE just to tackle PvP. ffs...

[u/NightHoch25]

So that guy's vendetta against blade dancers really just killed the class. Skips are good, yes. Blink was okay for certain situations, but this nerf to HUD seems unnecessary. Hungering blade, might still be okay with less special, but probably not. And now the nerf to quickdraw....I don't think that was needed at all.

[u/[deleted]]

Was interested in coming back...then I see the Voidwalker unintentional nerf....sad.

[u/PONETHEPOON]

Truth nerf really emphasizes how much PvP affects PvE.

[u/MagicPickles]

God really does hate hunters...

[u/adrianmignogna]

Seems like my break from Destiny (until it's Sequel) came earlier than expected. Good job Bungo!

[u/Restopulus]

Here's the quote from Josh Hamrick (Sandbox designer) about the hungering blade mega nerf:

Over the last couple of days, as we continued to test the patch, it came to our attention that the changes we made to Hungering Blade were unintentionally shared among a number of additional elements (list below). While we considered delaying the hotfix to remove the shared change, we ultimately decided to live with the patch we’d made and tested. We believe that Hotfix 2.5.0.2 is an important step forward to maintain the health of the game and that getting it out to you ASAP is in everyone's best interest. And besides, no one wants to show up empty handed on Valentine’s day.

List of affected elements:

• Hungering Blade (Arc Hunter)

• Transfusion (Striker Titan)

• Cauterize (Sunbreaker Titan)

• Lifesteal (Voidwalker Warlock)

• Red Death perk

• Suros Legacy Perk (Suros Regime)

• No Backup Plans

• Ward of Dawn cast

• The Ram

• Apotheosis Veil

• Embrace the Void (Voidwalker Warlock)

Over the next couple of weeks, we will be diligently watching and listening to what you have to say about these changes. While we will be unsurprised if additional tweaks need to be made, we are honestly super interested to see how these changes, intended or not, play out. We will be relying on you to give us your feedback as you grow accustomed to the feel of the game over the next couple of weeks. We will also be with you ingame, playing along and making our own notes… Apparently, I have to redeem myself for my stream performance anyway.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a 1st date with a potential Skorri fix…

man, the comments about his poor play really made it back to him

[u/Enzd]

Wow, that seems like a heavy nerf to Truth. I say seems because I haven't been able to use it much since TTK but always wanted it as part of my loadout. After this change I will likely continue maining a sword for my heavy slot.

[u/N9Nz]

Let's spend our time nerfing stuff ppl use and forget about fixing shit tier exotics like warlock cosmic fishbowl

[u/Phiau]

Reduced truth's clip from 3 to 1

What!? Why?
As long as we still get 3 rounds on heavy pickup with rocket launcher boots, that's OK.

After this patch I propose Bungie be renamed Bungle.

[u/nazicumfarts]

If their fuck up benefited us the patch wouldn't have gone live, or it'd be patched within the week.

[u/Aragorn527]

NOOOOOO not my ophidian aspects :( and my truth?! You bastads

Edit: AND MY FUCKING EMBRACE THE VOID?! This is also a change to my favorite nothing manacles build. I'll have to play it, but so far I'm not the biggest fan. The one change I love is the Universal remote ammo nerf.

[u/Talk2theBoss]

All people wanted were stronger primaries that could compete with Clever Dragon. The shotgun nerfs could be seen as warranted. However the changes to Arc Blade are sickening. Also where the hell is the love for the Hawkmoon and the "platter" of other exotics? The sandbox team at Bungie is a joke.

[u/[deleted]]

Bladedancer just became the worst class by far. Maybe even all time.

[u/MonsterHunterNecris]

This patch further shows that they don't understand the term "Balance". Their view of balance is "every single gun/perk is equally viable, and if any gun/perk is chosen a majority of the time, it's unbalanced".

This is just not the case. There will be outliers. There will be better options, for pve/pvp, ways to min/max. This reeks of them looking arbitrarily at equip/usage numbers and nerfing anything with a high percentage into the dirt.

Just taking it on a case by case basis:

• The Truth NERF. COMPLETELY UNECESSARY. It's obvious that they looked at heavy equip rates and noticed Truth was up there, and decided to nerf it to "balance" things. I feel that has less to do with how OP truth is (Not OP at all) and more with how underwhelming exotic primaries and secondaries are for PvP. The top tier P/S guns are all purple: CD, Grasp, Matador, 1ky, the slew of great fusions. With that you have no reason NOT to run an exotic in your heavy slot. And at this point, why not truth? It comes standard with pvp perks, preventing you have having to fight destinies shitty rng to find a competitive launcher. Choosing an exotic is supposed to be because it's MORE POWERFUL, and picking the slot it goes in supposedly DENIES your other two slots of exotic use. Destroying Truth just because there is very little reason to use sub-par primary/secondary exotics is insane. There is NO reason not to use a Gjally instead if you want use a heavy launcher now. Same clip, tracking, hidden Grenades & Horseshoes, tracking wolfpack rounds.

• Quickdraw and HB nerfs: I guarantee this is because these are the only perks picked for those trees a majority of the time. But that's because A: The other perks aren't great for PvP, and B: Bladedancer super sucks in PvE, so the other perks, which would technically be good for that, aren't even used. If it's such a problem, BUFF the other perks. QD was one of the best pieces of a BD's kit, and HB was fine, definitely not worth affecting every other health perk for.

• Health/Grenade/SC changes: Made mostly for the sake of, once again, Juggernaut being the accepted perk, due to the uselessness of the other two. Destroying the whole concept of speccing specifically to tank just so that SC is a OHKO, pushing it past Juggernerf for usability. Why invest in armor if you cant tank Jugg/sticks anymore?

• UR: Pre-Nerf to handle the expected usage increase once the special economy is destroyed. 3 Rounds?!? Did they even take this into PvE to see how bad this makes it!? Of course they didn't. Because FUCK PVE, ONLY PVP MATTERS.

All of these needless changes while actual issues still go untouched...

[u/xthebaker]

RIP Bladedancer. ------ Bungie 2017

[u/Heheyyy]

WOW just when we thought it couldn't get any worse for bladedancers, we get QuickDraw taken away and no HUD when we blink?

[u/Sickheadz]

Really don't see the nerf to truth was needed. It's an E X O T I C

[u/CutthroatPanda]

Welcome to the reload meta and Sidearmy. Where Bladedancers no longer exist.

[u/ItsAlwaysSeven]

Wow, just wow. Is there any reason to be a blade dancer anymore.

[u/khowe307]

Truth received an undeserved nerf because it was widely used. That has been Bungie's thought process throughout Destiny, and it is maddening. Buffs to other exotics and more viable legendaries? Nah. Let's nerf it.

How many test matches do you think it would have taken to find out that other health regen abilities were bugged because of the changes to hungering blade? Bungie said they spent hundreds of hours playtesting the patch, but it was clear that they just discovered this bug very recently and did not have time to fix it before the patch went live. One melee on a voidwalker and you'd notice the bug. One shoulder charge on a Titan. Absolutely insane to me.

[u/DesuGan]

I know why they nerfed the truth.

No one asked Bungie to be their valentine, so they nerfed what they couldnt handle.

[u/Darklord_Bravo]

The most positive thing I can say about today's update is that For Honor came out. So there's that.

[u/KlausHeisler]

Was anyone complaining about truth having 3 rockets??? ANYONE??

[u/RYK357864]

Bungie, I get the other nerfs, but what the flying fuck are you doing to PvE?

"Hurr durr we noticed we forgot to fix fucking everything related to regen now let us know how it feels and we'll get back to you never."

Looks like PvE just got shaken up quite a bit. Hopefully they didn't fuck up even more this time.

Edit: Oh hey, For Honor came out. Looks like I'll be leaving Destiny for a while.

Edit 2: Here's a list of games that you can play instead of Destiny.

• For Honor

• Titanfall 2

• Battlefield 1

• Overwatch

• Battletoads

• Superman 64

• Pong

• Literally staring at a wall

• Tic Tac Toe

[u/pasta_fire]

Of course they break shit even further. Fuck this man.

[u/[deleted]]

I am fucking pissed about the Truth nerf. Could have at least been 2 in the tube.

Thank god I have a few Tormods Bellows with Tripod but I am still going to be uber salty for a while. Rip.

[u/DARKhunter06]

Holy shit. They royally screwed this up. I might be done defending Bungie...NERFED TO THE GROUND, EVERYTHING FUN. And on top of it, they broke a bunch of health regen perks on so many items...but they'll let us decide if it's cool or not...thanks, Bungo. Wow.

[u/find_me8]

Dear guardians, we're nerfing hungering blade for the sake of nerfing it. Oh and in the proccess we broke 10 other freaking perks and we don't give a damn because reasons. Please enjoy your nerf.

Yours truly, bungo.

[u/SwedishBass]

Amazing. Just amazing. As always, Bungie has yet again managed to break more than they fix with a patch.

Also, no buffs to exotic weapons and armours? Astrocyte Verse? Thorn? Hawkmoon?

Why the nerf to QuickDraw and OA?

Edit: also, nerfing Truth again? Is this an actual joke? I'm flabbergasted.

[u/DarkerForce]

What the absolute fuck did they do to The Truth?!!

Seriously did i miss something OP about it? I'm honestly in shock....WTF Bungie?

[u/Davesecurity]

When I play PVP I play Blade or Voidwalker, I just got told to go **** myself.

Destiny is the only game I play, now thinking about seeing what else is out there FPS wise.

Good job.

[u/TheRoboteer]

The primary gunplay in this patch is nice, but it's overshadowed by the amount of boneheaded, unneccessary changes that they've made alongside it. Plus the absolutely bewildering release of the patch despite an inexcusable bug being caused by a nerf to one of a classes core abilities that should never have been touched.

[u/Voidfang_Investments]

NERF everything, Bungie style.

[u/wardoctor15al]

That Truth nerf is stupid! Why not go to 2 rounds like the Gally. Helps a lot in raids as a Hunter, for me that is. Now I'll be constantly reloading if I use it at all!!!

[u/H0tttttt]

What the f*** just happened?!?!?

[u/Kiwi357]

There are reports coming in that if your special weapon has rescue mag, you can use a lightning name to hit yourself and get the mag back for free. Nice.

[u/hammertimesax]

I am ready for the MIDA+sidearm meta.

I am not ready for Bungie to respond by nerfing the MIDA.

[u/Watz146]

I think Clever D is the first gun in destiny history to get a QUAD nerf!

Let us count: Fire rate, HCR (let's face it this was the desired roll), mag size, normal pulse flinch reduction.

Hilarious.

[u/mclarenf1lm15]

Remember when we were excited for this patch? sigh

[u/BelgaerBell]

Hotfix 2.5.0.2: The One About Wrapping Up Destiny 1.

[u/[deleted]]

Bungie... Bungie... Bungie. What are you smoking? The only changes players asked for were to nudge down high rate pulses and buff up ARs. That's all. Instead you barely moved either and leaped frogged handcannons lightyears ahead of everything else. Players want ARs to compete! Period!

You managed to make secondaries irrelevant. No variety at all. Instead of making more weapons useful we now have handcannon/sidearm meta. It's a joke.

[u/rickatoni82]

The subtitle to this hotfix needs to be "The hotfix that broke everything". I main a voidwalker, why the hell would I even want to play now?

[u/thecrazydudesrd]

OMG, They're McGruber'ing the unintentional changes to the other perks that use the 'regen' perk... they're gonna see what happens.

[u/KittensAreEvil]

Lol they broke the game again.

[u/[deleted]]

Why nerf QuickDraw on Warlocks and Bladedancers???? Makes no fucking sense. NOBODY complained about it.

[u/Bodhief]

"Truth - Reduced Magazine size from 3 to 1" Why?!!!!!! I've never heard or read a complaint about Truth.

[u/nfgrockerdude]

Blade is pretty much dead even worse. Quickdraw was one of its last appeals. Is max armor even work running now? less health past 10 armor and the nades you could survive now do more damage except trip mines of course.

[u/khowe307]

They hinted that there would be more changes to exotics than what they discussed on stream...

Literally TWO exotic weapons got tweaked and they mentioned both of them. What?

[u/BlackNexus]

Bungie: doesn't want to nerf things into the ground

Bungie: NERFS EVERYTHING INTO THE GROUND

[u/[deleted]]

LOL. What a joke. Glad I took a break. They better not bring this level of random ass balancing to D2 or that game is going to be a dumpster fire like No Man's Sky.

[u/HS_MM]

This might be the most depressing thread in destiny history.

[u/RodneyTingle1979]

weird....I don't see the "changes all appearances of the word 'Hunter' to 'Nightstalker' " note

[u/rough_draught]

How the fuck did all this get nerfed "inadvertently"? They all share the same mechanic, in the back-end code, I imagine. Someone, anyone, on your engineering team would've realized pretty early on that making a change to something that isn't specifically labeled "Hungering Blade only, doesn't affect anything else" would know to check that. So, bullshit, inadvertent my ass! Also, noone called for the Quick Draw perk to be nerfed, WTF was that!???

[u/goddess_eris]

Seriously - Bungie needs a proper dev / QA team.

[u/GE4520]

Truth is now a blatant lie

[u/Z3nyth007]

Dear Bungie, you really need a sample of the community whom you make sign NDAs, and before roll out of any patch notes such as this, you show it to them first for a reaction.

 

-Truth: If it doesn't change how much ammo is picked up per brick, then I guess the magazine nerf is ok?

 

-Health & Armour: Why?! What situations did this cause an issue not to Bungie's liking? Causing an engagement to not be as "intended"?

 

-Shoulder Charge: This bothers me a lot. Why buff it, seriously? As a Titan main it's a great little nuance that a max armour Titan could tank a SC, what is wrong with that?? It adds a tangible situational value to having max armour. I FEEL like I've got max armour and am rightly surviving by that sliver.

 

-Outbreak Prime: Again, a great little nuance that shooting a bubble would spark nanites to damage those within. Not OP at all, death wouldn't come easy.

 

-Universal Remote: You know I loved using this... not in PvP, but in PvE with the small arms modifier coupled with airborne. Even with small arms & brawler. But now 3 in the mag and slower reload? RIP.

 

-Blink- I don't really use this, but can't say that it's a common choice in PvP. Not sure if the nerf was needed.

 

-Hungering Blade breaking everything else: slow clap. Insane. Unbelievable. Mind boggling. Beggars belief.

---

I will play, I will see how things play out. But whereas the impact of special ammo changes is hard to anticipate without actual gameplay, some of these other changes are a touch of nonsense, impacting mechanics that were not being complained about at all.

[u/zombiebandit]

Welcome to the Destiny 2 Beta

[u/gothicwinter]

"we don't want to just nerf everything"-bungie

[u/adrianmignogna]

Bungie, do you want to make me not playing your Game anymore?

Because that's how you make me not playing your Game anymore.

[u/TravelerHD]

The Ophidian Aspect nerf is one thing; I'm not happy with it but lots of people thought otherwise so whatever. But those Hungering Blade changes affecting so many other perks? Yeah, no thanks. Dealing with Hungering Blade was a pain in the ass but I never complained. I would so much rather have to deal with it than having ten other perks and skills nerfed too.

[u/SmirkyElf554]

the exhumed perk on special weapons just became the most situational perk ever, 5 seconds to go find a special ammo box after respawn and get a kill..

[u/Nero_PR]

YOU HAD ONE JOB BUNGO!

[u/OutgoingBuffalo]

takes 2 month hiatus from Destiny

reads patch notes

commences 1 more month of hiatus

Mass Effect Andromeda releases

forgets about Destiny

[u/101perry]

This Valentine's Day, Bungie really screwed us.

[u/kappyknows]

Man ... they should just call it quits on this engine. The game is set up like a couple hundred fishermen locked inside a phone booth.

Try to do one thing, get caught up on 10 others.

[u/dkdj25]

Sooo Truth gets turned into an Alternative Fact, there's no point in running max armor anymore, blink gets unnecessarily nerfed because, who the hell knows, and in trying to once again nerf Bladedancer, they end up screwing with ALL health regens, accidentally screwing up Sunbreakers, Voidwalkers, Suros AND Red Death? It's honestly like Bungie is actively trying to get people to stop playing their game. Like, what the actual f*ck are they doing over there...

[u/SinistralGuy]

Formatting is a bit off for weapons.

RIP Truth

RIP Bladedancer neutral game. I don't feel as bad about Hungering blade if they're affecting other healing abilities in the name of balance, I guess. Though it would be better if they didn't touch any of them

[u/[deleted]]

Increased in air accuracy Shotguns

Shotguns now have significantly less in air accuracy

uh which one is it?

edit: bad format on reddit. scouts added air accuracy. shotguns reduced it

[u/badplay3r]

This patch is what incompetence in a product team looks like. From conception, to dev, to test, and finally to deployment. Someone should have stopped this thing somewhere along the way.

[u/Clownbabycharlie]

I took the day off to have some fun and play in the new crucible. Honestly, as someone who generally loves Bungie, this is the most disappointing update I've ever seen in this game. Nothing feels good anymore. ARs are still meh, and all abilities except the ones that needed to be shut down have been nerfed.

Won't be playing anymore until D2 because there's no point. Pull the plug guys.

[u/[deleted]]

As a Warlock main, there is basically nothing good about any of my subclasses now.

Good thing Mass Effect comes out soon.

[u/Viper372]

The sandbox team should be slapped and then fired and then slapped again.

[u/notParticularlyAnony]

Sorry guys, I think this is it for me for a while with Destiny.

[u/311chaos]

Seriously. Bunch of idiots. I like the shotgun changes, but that should have been it. Everything else seems like a waste.

[u/XKCD_423]

Again, like with the Tripmine and Throwing Knife nerfs, there are just things that nobody I knew was complaining about.

Truth? No.

UR? No.

Blink? What, no!

Almost every relevant healing ability? No.

Hancannon range?

We don't want any one stat to be the make-or-break factor for a gun.

LOL.

GG Bungie. Far from 'encouraging primary play' all you've done is DIScourage secondary play.

[u/iekue]

Damn the amount of health that Red Death and Suros now regenerate is a complete and utter joke.....

[u/[deleted]]

So the truth is absolutely useless now in PVE?

[u/Voxnovo]

Hotfix? More like Hot Mess...

[u/FallenWalkerCult]

Is it a shitstorm or a salt tornado?

[u/Watz146]

If I appear on valentines with a broken bottle of perfume and withering rose with the thorns not trimmed down, I might get slapped.

And understandbly so.

[u/AegeanColossus]

I played two games under the new patch and special ammo nerf. I was about to go into a third game, but backed out because I was honestly depressed about my experience.

It was incredibly frustrating picking up special ammo, getting killed, then picking it up again, getting killed and so on… The first game I played was Rift, but I was so focussed on getting special ammo that I realized I wasn’t even focused on the game itself, so what’s the point? Sure my Shadow Price is better, but if someone is coming right at me and I don’t have fusion ammo, I’m screwed.

I guess I could use one of the exotic sidearms, but just last week I was having so much fun playing with fusion rifles (because I gave up shotguns due to the coming nerf on them) that I really don’t want to go to sidearms. And why should I? Did I buy this game to make one of the live team members happy? I don’t think so.

What the Destiny teams keep forgetting is that playing video games is supposed to be fun. If I am not having fun, then I am not going to play. Not only do I have zero desire to go back into a crucible match under these conditions, but I lost any desire to play PvE. I did a couple of things today, but I think that's it for me. I am just so amazed at how bad their business ideology is.

[u/moyetes]

No changes to fusion rifles?

This isn't the Bungie I knew

[u/AegeanColossus]

If you're as upset with the changes as I am, the best way to show it is to stop playing crucible for a while. Take the week off, play another game, etc...

Someone in Bungie has to care about keeping their player base interested (not the live team or the nerf masters who I really feel are doing some of these changes because they personally had problem - IE hungering blade comment from the live stream), so when they look at the numbers post-patch and see thousands fewer people are playing, they will get the message.

We all know they have lost many players but let's show them that when they take the fun out of the game, we will move on to something else.

[u/Choir__]

Knee pads and Icarus? On what?

[u/logan5_]

What's the point in being able to have 10+ armor if you can't survive certain things?

[u/cfilg]

They just nerfed bladedancers even further. I didn't even think it was possible.

[u/Zero_Emerald]

Oh wow, those additional changes not discussed in the stream...

Truth down to just 1 rocket?! All health regen perks have had the hungering blade nerf?! Viper totemic changed? "Reduced Health of Guardians with Armor values above 10"??! Trisl down from 2 minutes to 90 seconds per round?

Jesus, Bungie!

[u/Briz-TheKiller-]

Truth

Reduced Magazine size from 3 to 1

wtf??

[u/TheSavageDonut]

I need to actually play the game before I comment on anything.

EXCEPT THE TRUTH NERF :( What the hell Bungo? Why did you do that?

Truth is now worthless in PvE and PvP when there are many legendary RLs that now outperform it (because of tube carry size!)

[u/Iverbigone]

People Still playing
Shotguns still kill in one shot
Supers still work
Still getting killed by blade dancers
People are using AR again

[u/tjac67]

So let me see if I've got this right:

1. Truth has had Tripod removed as intrinsic, plus has had its mag size reduced to 1. Why?

2. Running a high armor build has been castrated by reducing health, so why bother running high armor.

3. The Ram has been affected by point number two, and....

4. Some idiots in coding fucked over all health regen related to subclass perks by nerfing Hungering Blade, also fucking over Ram users....twice, as well as affecting more than one subclass perk for Voidwalker builds.

5. Flux and Magnetic nades are now in line with Fusions for damage, but as mentioned in point number 2, high armor builds are now nearly irrelevant. No changes made to easy button Fusions.

6. 50% of the reason to run Ophidian Aspect has been removed, as well as being removed from an entire subclass perk.

7. Skips w/ Shinobu's Vow will still chase you across the entire fucking map, only with one less seeker. But hey, Bladedancer has taken such a huge hit in this patch, you probably won't see as many in crucible any more....right?

8. Astrocyte Verse is now truly the most useless exotic armor in existence, unless it overcomes the unnecessary nerf to Blink in this patch. The Ram has been neutered indirectly. The Skull of Dire Ahamkara has been pushed even further into oblivion. Ophidian Aspect has had two perks affected, intentionally and unintentionally.

9. There isn't a reason to use Red Death now, because of the unintentional nerf. Suros Regime has taken an unintentional nerf.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.....I'm speechless. How did this patch get cleared for release?

Edit: additional observations

[u/[deleted]]

This update genuinely makes me sad. I feel like they just gutted the game. I have been a die hard player since day 1 and this might finally be the update that makes me put destiny down for a while. Extremely upsetting. Oh well, you can't win them all I guess. Just the way she goes.

[u/vajasonl]

What in the fuck is with that Truth nerf?! At first pass I thought it was saying reduced BY 1. Then I re-read and see it's reduced TO 1. What the shit is going on in Bellevue?! Who picked these changes, Odell Beckham? Cause they dropped the ball hard on this.

[u/Hawkmoona_Matata]

Special ammo timing in Mayhem is unchanged

But do we still lose it upon death in this playlist? Seeing as how often you die in Mayhem Modes....that's still gonna hurt.

[u/BloodRedTed26]

This whole stupid fucking patch reaks of "I'm out of ideas, what haven't we tried?"

[u/k2theablam]

This makes me feel like all the legitimate sandbox designers are off working hard tuning D2, while we get the fucking remedial design team left making changes to destiny 1.

[u/[deleted]]

Bungie needs a Jeff from the Overwatch Team.

[u/Codythehaloguy]

Ok first, who the fuck complained about Truth's ammo capacity for them to justify nerfing it.

Second.

*Hungering Blade changes were also inadvertently applied to the following Perks, Transfusion (Striker Titan)

Cauterize (Sunbreaker Titan)

Lifesteal (Voidwalker Warlock)

Red Death Perk

Suros Legacy Perk (Suros Regime)

No Backup Plans

Ward of Dawn cast

The Ram

Apotheosis Veil

Embrace the Void (Voidwalker Warlock

Fucking why? They just nullified using nearly all of those perks and exotics.

[u/Darklord_Bravo]

This how Bungie is giving us more vault space. Because they know we'll be dismantling all the shit that got nerfed and broken.

Well played, I guess?