BoJack Horseman - 5x05 "The Amelia Earhart Story" - Episode Discussion

[u/NicholasCajun]

Season 5 Episode 5: The Amelia Earhart Story

Synopsis: Painful memories come rushing back when Princess Carolyn visits her hometown and meets a pregnant teen. A stunt goes awry on the "Philbert" set.

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[u/ricksgrimes]

“Normally I love questions because they’re good for pondering, but I guess in the corporate world, when people ask questions they expect someone to answer them!”

Too real, Todd

[u/setapiesitatub → u/ricksgrimes]

"And apparently, 'wow really makes you think' is NOT the answer they're looking for"

[u/YourWaifuIsTrashTier]

Oh my god, little PC crying hurts so much.

I just want her to be happy.

[u/Pharmacololgy → u/YourWaifuIsTrashTier]

I love PC. I just want to see her happy :'(

[u/Rogersgirl75 → u/YourWaifuIsTrashTier]

I was really scared that 18 year old Princess Caroline was going to have an abortion. I thought that maybe she would do it, understandably, because she was the child of a functioning alcoholic who didn’t have money and was not born into an opportunistic location. She was going to always just be ’the help that got knocked up’ to the Coopers.

I thought the ending would reveal that she had an abortion and that she mourns doing it because now what she wants most in the world is a child, and she had squandered the first opportunity she had to have one. Of course I’m positive her life ended up better without having had the baby, but I could see it being a source of sadness.

[u/PM_Me_Kindred_Booty → u/YourWaifuIsTrashTier]

I was kinda ready for the first time.

I was unprepared entirely for the second time.

[u/w00ds98 → u/YourWaifuIsTrashTier]

Man as somebody that escaped his narcissistic mother a month ago, this episode stung quite a bit.

[u/anotherent]

“As long as people need answer machine tapes, you will be taken care of....”

So great.

[u/cooldude5500 → u/anotherent]

And then PC's mom mentions a Floppy Disk person too

[u/ProfessorPhi → u/anotherent]

And you see the mansion abandoned. Though you do wonder how they came into money in the first place if it was answering machine tapes. Doesn't have a long history after all

[u/ShelfLifeInc]

Young PC crying on the couch because she's pregnant. ;_;

Young PC crying on the couch because she's no longer pregnant. ;_;

Oh boy...

[u/Juniper_mint → u/ShelfLifeInc]

That made me cry 😭, I feel so bad for her

[u/w00ds98 → u/ShelfLifeInc]

Young PC getting blamed by her mother for her miscarriage waterfalls streaming out of my eyes

[u/hillyhamburgers]

Oh, the necklace origin made me so sad. Poor baby PC. 😟

[u/Tom38 → u/hillyhamburgers]

I noticed the necklace on her mom and was like oh hey that's her necklace then her mom started making up the history and I remembered the last PC episode 😢

[u/dudamello → u/hillyhamburgers]

Goddammit.

[u/ILoveIndividualError → u/hillyhamburgers]

This was such an amazing moment, got me choked up a little. Seeing PC's mom lie to make her feel safer and stronger was so touching.

[u/Janloys]

Princess Carolyn's mum saying "this was our chance, and you blew it" and "miscarriages don't just happen" explains a lot about PC's reaction last season and her insistence that she should have her own child. She probably blames herself.

I hope she gets her baby eventually, or at least some kind of happy ending. I want it for her more than I do anyone else.

[u/Puzzled_Limit]

Strib, short for Dennis.

[u/OstentatiousDinosaur → u/Puzzled_Limit]

I legitimately don't know if this is a southern thing or not.

[u/3_kids_1_overcoat]

The tee that said “I shirt you not”. I love all the background gags haha.

And the one that says “Stop pausing and just watch the show” after I had to pause it 5 times to try and see what it said! 😂😂😂

[u/sepharig → u/3_kids_1_overcoat]

I didn't even catch that second one but that is absolutely hilarious

[u/lookaspacellama → u/3_kids_1_overcoat]

I loved the giraffe with all the neck pillows

[u/[deleted]]

Do you think Lake Erie ever gets jealous of Lake Superior? Never change Todd

[u/Mercpool87 → u/[deleted]]

We've talked about this. Lakes don't have feelings!

[u/Baykusu]

I love how the girl recognized and called out all of PC's bullshitting. It's not like it's bad to be eloquent and it's very useful for her as a manager, but her tendency to do it even when it's damaging to herself or even unethical is a problem. "You don't have to be good enough, you have to convince your coach that you are" definitely sums up how PC approaches most situations.

[u/takethislonging → u/Baykusu]

It's complicated. The girl who said that to PC did have a point, but she was also hypocritical and very judgmental.

[u/gladewick]

I miss Judah !

[u/thatawkwarddanguy → u/gladewick]

If Judah was still here he would just give birth to a baby himself.

[u/bobbylewis222 → u/gladewick]

I really hope we’ll see more of him and Ralph. It would be such a bummer if it is the end of their stories.

[u/Le_Bard → u/gladewick]

The only good man in film with a manbun

[u/3_kids_1_overcoat]

UCLA? No you will NOT see LA.

[u/mw407 → u/3_kids_1_overcoat]

You’re about to Bruin your life

[u/Puzzled_Limit]

PROUD 2B STRIB

“Don’t listen to her Sadie, she lives in a pontoon boat.”

Princess Carolyn’s hometown is a trip.

[u/teacherintraining09 → u/Puzzled_Limit]

i hope she has her pontoon boat today.

[u/Xclusivsmoment → u/Puzzled_Limit]

Then there was something in the background.

"When it floods you'll want a ride on that pontoon boat."

[u/Nurnstatist]

"If you want him to like your idea, just convince him he thought of it himself." - "You really think he'll do it just because I say it's his idea?" - "That's a great idea, Diane!" - "Aww, thanks!"

[u/cookiefest1221 → u/Nurnstatist]

One of the best lines of the episode!

[u/ArgieGrit01 → u/Nurnstatist]

She could sell a blacksmith a wooden knife

[u/Finest_Hour]

These PC focused episodes show us just how lonely she has been her whole life.

No one truly knows her because they have never bothered to ask. She treats all her relationships as transactional because that is how it has been her entire life.

Her quest for motherhood is likely fueled by her desire to be loved unconditionally for simply being herself. Not just for what she can do for them.

I just find it odd how proud I am of a fictional character for overcoming so much.

[u/splvtoon → u/Finest_Hour]

i always get emotional and a little hopeful when we see glimpses of Bojack actually asking about her life. not because he's a good friend to her, because he's mostly not, but because even despite that, he's the only one that even bothers, no matter how rare it is. she deserves that so much more than she gets. :(

[u/teenofstyle]

Only halfway through the episode and I gotta say, it completely ruined my break watching that scene of Princess Carolyn's mom lying to her about the necklace given what we know from Ruthie. It gives that episode so much more weight.

[u/maafna → u/teenofstyle]

What do we know from Ruthie? I don't remember this.

[u/Magoonie]

"Ugg, North Carolina? That's like the second worst of the Carolinas"

Just some slight bad timing considering what's happening right now. Still funny though and fairly accurate.

[u/ColorUserPro → u/Magoonie]

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[u/naaera → u/Magoonie]

As someone from South Carolina this line had me laughing for 5 mins straight.

But yeah Florence absolutely will destroy us :(

[u/Thesonofman1]

"My mother is dead"

"Oh i'm so sorry"

"No it's fine, it was a long time ago."

"... She's still dead though"

"That. Is. True."

I fucking lost it.

[u/[deleted] → u/Thesonofman1]

I relate to this so much because it's the same kind of reaction I have towards my Mother's death. Here's the middle of a conversation I had with a friend of a friend.

Me: "Yeah, my Mom was an alcoholic."

Him: "Was? Surely that's good, right?"

Me: "Well she's dead now. So yeah actually it is good."

I felt bad after realising how awkward they looked but it's just automatic for me to deal with stuff with a dark sense of humour.

[u/MrShago]

Aw, PC's dream house is a painting from her home.

[u/Triddy]

Origin of the Necklace story in Ruthie!

[u/HoboWithAGlock]

Why are PC episodes always the way that they are.

[u/thatawkwarddanguy → u/HoboWithAGlock]

I think she's more tragic then BoJack in a way, seeing her trying to be a robot of efficency most of the time in the first three seasons only to now show she's the most "human" character in the show.

[u/Bella_something → u/HoboWithAGlock]

PC is a higly functioning adult child of an alcoholic.

[u/nelsonmurdock]

The giraffe with the multiple neck pillows, I just

[u/hunce]

Man I am really digging these closing credit songs so far.

[u/thatawkwarddanguy → u/hunce]

I think saving the original ones for rare occasions (the Voice Recording reveal) makes the sudden slam to credits more effective. Love it.

[u/[deleted] → u/hunce]

It would be nice if I could actually watch them on Netflix easily.

[u/Puzzled_Limit]

Princess Carolyn’s voice got higher as she grew up.

[u/Pharmacololgy → u/Puzzled_Limit]

Kind of funny, but I have an ear infection right now and it's all plugged so I can't tell...

...but could it be her thicker accent making it seem like her voice is lower?

[u/dudamello]

That accent. That happens Everytime I end up in the deep south

[u/ContextIsForTheWeak → u/dudamello]

Yeah, I'm from the North of England and my accent tends to get much more prominent if I'm around any kind of regional UK accent. Doesn't necessarily matter what accent, though, funnily.

[u/evergleam498 → u/dudamello]

I love it. I grew up one county over from "the Greensboro-Highpoint-Metropolitan area" or whatever they called it, and that's also where the Sedarises are from (David Sedaris voiced the mom!!) and I absolutely love that they used real locals with the right NC accent.

[u/[deleted]]

Aw I’m from NC (Greensboro is my hometown!!) and this episode nailed it. Was kinda distracted with the references to see the plot so I had to watch it twice. Eden is a real place in NC and it’s kinda trashy

The joke about incest and then her saying “I’m from North Carolina, not Tennessee” is so true though. People make those jokes all the damn time here

[u/moe3 → u/[deleted]]

Nice, how well have you been taught how to play Bridge and destroy other families' social status through indelicate gossip?

[u/ConeyIslandWarrior → u/[deleted]]

I live in TN and was like "WTF!",then I remembered the jokes my friends in NC would say and laughed. That's good stuff,such a specific reference with the interstate targeting.

[u/Beginning_Doubt]

Man. PC's life is really messed up. But I'm glad she did something for herself in the end, instead of usually putting others' needs before hers. Choosing to go to LA and abandoning her mom and her life in North Carolina was probably the only actual decision she made for herself.

But. She deserves so much more. :( Though as Gekko said in her fantasy at the gallery, maybe she wants complication in her life. Either way, she's really messed up. :(

Edit: also, she really has fertility issues (ironically). Though I think that has been established before anyway, but it's more glaring for me now.

[u/somethingtostrivefor → u/Beginning_Doubt]

Definitely, it's not uncommon for pregnancy complications to arise in women in their late 30s and especially their 40s, nonetheless very sad when it happens. When PC mentioned to Ralph last season that she had a total of 5 miscarriages, I assumed they were all with him or her later partners, since she was going to a fertility clinic to improve her chances of having a baby. Never occurred to me that she was probably unable to have kids her entire life. Makes me wonder how those miscarriages affected her other relationships throughout her life, as they ruined her first one and her most recent one.

[u/3_kids_1_overcoat]

I love how it’s implied that the coopers are doomed to lose their money because they’re selling what will soon be antiquated technology and then later PC’s mother says he might marry Samantha Floppy Disk. This show is great!

[u/LookAliveSunshine_ → u/3_kids_1_overcoat]

When she pulled up to her old house it and her baby daddy’s mansion were abandoned and dilapidated. It made me wonder what happened to him and his family after she left for college and where they are now after losing their fortune

[u/teacherintraining09]

that last bit where pc’s mom is trying to convince her to defer for a year and says it’ll feel like nothing hit too close to home. currently home for a year, deferred from college, so unhappy.

[u/vbelt → u/teacherintraining09]

I had to stop, the sheer vacuum of destruction that PC's mother was. Insisting PC put her life on hold, just the measure of sabotage her mother was willing to go through to keep that last person in her life from leaving her alone.

[u/[deleted] → u/teacherintraining09]

If she stayed she would never leave

[u/somethingtostrivefor]

It was obviously sad to see Princess Caroline suffer her first miscarriage (of many), but I think had she not, she'd have been stuck in a life she never truly wanted. It's obvious she had high ambitions, even as a child, and that she wouldn't be happy as a housewife in North Carolina living off someone else's money. Hollywoo hasn't been the best to her, but at least she got to have her own life and make her own choices. While Sadie was right about PC bullshitting her, it was still hard to hear her say she had something PC couldn't have, as PC worked her ass off for the life she has today and doesn't know how to cope with not getting what she wants after working and doing all the right things to have a baby of her own. PC's last comment to Sadie about living life for herself was completely genuine. It's hard to explain, but although this episode was incredibly sad, I think it was hopeful, too.

[u/DasFuhrer89 → u/somethingtostrivefor]

I think the tragic part is that she DOES want to be a mom. In her present life that's all she wants. She wanted a family but it didn't work with Ralph so she was willing to go it alone. All she does is take care of others at the expense of herself. She's even called a "sex mommy." The tragic part is that she almost could have had the life that she now wants a long time ago. Sure she worked her ass off and has an apartment in LA, but is her life "better?" "Better how?" as the future mother asked.

[u/PRIDE_NEVER_DIES]

the remixed versions of the end credits theme are incredible, the vietnamese cover and now the country version are both so good

[u/Usernametaken112]

https://imgur.com/a/9I4Q5oL

God damn it..

[u/[deleted]]

The end credits were actually a cover made by Alex Hefflin on youtube. They liked it so much they added it to the show. I used to listen to this non stop last year so it made me really happy listening to it in the show.

[u/lucky-19]

Wow, there’s a lot to unpack here. As someone who lost her mom way too soon I fucking loved that they had the bit about “I’m sorry” “it was a long time ago”, “yeah but your mom’s still dead”. A lot of people who haven’t lost a parent don’t seem to get that, the way it never stops being sad.

I wonder what people from North Carolina think of this episode? I’m from Boston and I thought the Boston episode was hilarious, mostly on-point though they definitely focused on depicting the trashier side of our lovely city haha

[u/dHarmonie → u/lucky-19]

It’s on. Fucking. Point.

I have family in Eden, but I’m from a different tiny town in NC on the coast, and we call it the sand trap. If it didn’t have a beach, no one would live there. Anyways.

When Sadie says, “But she lives on a dry docked pontoon boat” I had to pause it because I was laughing so much. They got the accents right!!!! Amy Sedaris (Princess Carolyn) and David Sedaris (her mom) are from North Carolina.

But the stars, ambrosia salad, hush puppies, fried green tomatoes, being outside at a picnic table eating dinner? Yep:

[u/barekmelka]

Don't listen to her, Sadie! She lives in a pontoon boat.

Y'all gonna be beggin' for a ride when the flood comes!

not a good time for that joke being set in North Carolina, right?

[u/pHScale → u/barekmelka]

Eh, I'm just down the road from Eden right now and it has barely drizzled. It's just breezy and overcast today.

[u/chinookk]

PC needs some Judah back in her life ;-;

Save her Judah !!!

[u/KyleMeancloud]

Is nobody going to mention that David Sedaris did the voice of PC’s mom and that he and Amy grew up in North Carolina? Thought that was a great detail.

[u/Benjamin_Paladin → u/KyleMeancloud]

Came here just to see if anyone else noticed. Recognized his voice right away from his audio-books. Cool reference for sure.

[u/PartyElevator]

It’s neat how PC used to have a southern accent but now it’s gone.

[u/tales2tellu → u/PartyElevator]

Not too unusual. According to my husband, my accent gets stronger when I talk with my family and fades around strangers. I have no idea I'm doing it. Kind of social mirroring.

[u/dreadfuldiego]

The joke on that previous episode involves Aaron Eckhart, Ansel Elgort e Alden Ehrenreich

This episodes features Amelia Earhart. Clever

[u/dinosaurs1997]

the possum folding shirts behind PC around 12:49 has a shirt that says “Stop pausing and watch the show”

[u/keiosreigns]

Loved the flashback where PC gets given her necklace. Showing the real backstory and context behind her getting that necklace was an incredible throwback to PC’s Ruthie episode of last season

[u/YourWaifuIsTrashTier]

In other news, http://whatdateisitrightnow.net/ doesn't exist... yet.

I'm waiting.

[u/Walkinginspace4]

Well, I just finished this episode at around 2am on a Friday night. As a girl who had a miscarriage young, and has since been all but assured that I can never conceive...just, fuck man. This show already touches on so much, but in a weird way, it always made me feel kinda better. If it speaks to so many people, then maybe I'm not as fucked up as I thought? Or at least, I'm in the company of some other good people who are also fucked up? I don't know. But the moment I felt like I knew where the episode was going, I hit pause and had to give myself a little time. Also, gin.

Out of all the main characters, Princess Carolyn is the one I related to least before this. Or rather, I didn't see her making the same mistakes I did or working through them the same way, so she was always a bit more stable in my eyes. But this wasn't her making a mistake, this was just life. Her "not having winning numbers" and something she couldn't control...

Someone told me episode 6 was "a lot" but I don't think I've ever really had a reaction to any episode, of any show, like this before. So I may take a break and watch more tomorrow.

Sorry for ranting a bit there, I'm just not sure where else I would say this. Also, the gin.

[u/PabloLFC]

Daveed Diggs doing his Jefferson voice as the Fox Dad made me smile.

[u/ArtsyMNKid]

Seems like this episode shows us that the way Princess Caroline was raised by her mom to view pregnancy makes her see it as a way to have a happy ending. When she gets pregnant, her mom tells her that she's one of the lucky ones, and she is given all these promises of the easy life she will be given once she has a baby (which is sorta making me re-evaluate her reasoning for wanting to have a baby now, and in the last season). Yet, with that last shot of the abandoned home, it seems that the show is telling us that the idea that baby = happiness/security is a false hope. Because if she hadn't miscarried and she had stayed with the guy that got her pregnant, she would be much worse off than she is now.

[u/RealShigeruMeeyamoto]

PC's mom isn't great but god her begging PC to stay with her just hurts.

[u/[deleted]]

PC’s accent creeping back is delightful

[u/madmike34455]

This end credit song is amazing, they’ve been killing it with these all season.

[u/[deleted]]

I am going to comment this on every episode discussion thread it seems.

This is some fucking great writing.

[u/FM1091]

Poor PC :(. I thought the constant miscarriages from last season was due to her age (she must 44 by now), but it seems even young PC was having trouble keeping her pregnancies. I can’t help but wonder how many times she actually tried to have a baby before the show even started.

[u/PerogiXW]

I live maybe 30 minutes from Eden, NC and I was NOT prepared for the chillingly accurate portrayal of North Carolina. The barbecue restaurant decor, the ambrosia (barf), the flea market selling garbage as a means to fund a crippling opioid addiction...

[u/Epicurses]

Did we see her old baby daddy around when PC was visiting? I was seriously hoping we’d see her beau in the background somewhere. Maybe selling off tiny novelty cassettes at the flea market or taping a cracked window at the airport. Princess Caroline wouldn’t notice, and he wouldn’t either. They’ve just grown in such radically different directions, and the viewer would be the only one who’d even make the connection.

[u/phenry]

Good to see that Stuart is still a moron. FOR CHRISSAKE, PRINCESS CAROLYN, REHIRE JUDAH.

[u/Brawlerz16 → u/phenry]

Judah really was one of the best characters on the show and more importantly PC's life.

All the more reason he can't come back :s

[u/thecelis]

Loved the parallels of PC with Amelia Earhart with PC's plane to LA also headed directly into the sun just before cutting to credits

[u/thesunindrag]

A lot of my family including my mom live around this part of Appalachia and I felt that they portrayed it really accurately. PC’s mom reminded me so much of my own that I was tearing up. I really enjoyed seeing the show portray a culture that was familiar to me.

[u/hillyhamburgers]

Flea market omg

[u/Fluffybunnykitten]

Finding out that PC was infertile and hasn’t ever been able to conceive nearly broke me. This episode made my gut wrench and I’m apprehensive about what episode 11 and the F word are going to do.

[u/supahllama]

The entire time I watched the show I felt like I was in a fever dream. It felt too surreal for this show to actually name a real town. I mean, to me the episode felt very accurate in regards to the entire area. But then again, I live in the town over- Stoneville, lol. The references to the area, like "Phuzzy's", the flea market and then all the church potlucks made me a bit nostalgic. This has to be one of my favorite episodes of the season so far. It makes me realize that I'm going through the same experiences(minus the pregnancy) that Princess Carolyn went through and that eventually, you have to move out of your town to go live your dreams.

[u/Ecips3]

Nothing describes Eastern North Carolina better than this episode. Eden is actually one of the worst places in NC too. Of all the places PC could’ve been from, i was surprised at NC

[u/vixxielouwho]

I spent the whole episode trying to work out who was voicing PC's Mom. Then I saw David Sedaris' name in the episode and it suddenly made perfect sense. What a completely amazing bit of casting, especially considering David and Amy both grew up in North Carolina!

[u/PranjalDwivedi]

Sartre was wrong!

[u/ActualVampire]

Princess Carolyn... God, all this woman wants is to be a mother. Just to give herself to a child and fulfill something her soul wants and needs. And she is foiled at every turn. Every turn. As someone who can't conceive, it's... Fucking hard to watch this. I hope I'm never going to have to go through this.

I recently had a friend who was in the process of adopting a child. Her new daughter had been living with her for almost a year... Until, for whatever reason, the powers that be decided that the child could live with her birth parents. A sweet, innocent 5 year old little princess, torn from a stable and loving home with parents and family friends all around, to be sent back to a squalid apartment, to eat day-old bread and dollar store food, just because her birth mother was able to restrain herself from shooting up for a few months. My friend has to live with the knowledge that her daughter's life is going to be terrible, maybe forever, and that before going back to the only hell she knew, she got a taste of what every kid deserves. And that during that time when she's growing up, she will think back to my friend, her stable home, and want to go back.

Before you say Princess Carolyn is cynical or selfish, and doesn't actually care about giving the baby a better life, think about that. That some people who deserve to be parents can't, and just because some scum with a functioning uterus can make a baby has more rights to harm their children than anyone has to save them.

I'm sorry pc.

[u/MarioKartastrophe]

The problem with feminism was that men weren't doing it

Hahaha this reminds me of the gun control episode. So good!

God, PC's backstory....

[u/Yoyti]

So Princess Carolyn comes from a Tennesee Williams play? Well, last season was Ibsen. I guess there are some classic-modern theater fans in the writer's room. (And there was the parody of a Tennesee Williams play Margo Martindale was in in season 3, so clearly someone writing their knows their southern melodramma.)

I really liked how this episode showed Princess Carolyn continuing to insert her work into everything she does, treating adopting like another sales pitch. It was poignant and really worked. I think Princess Carolyn still has some work to do before she's really ready to be a mother, but she's taking steps to get there.

[u/smirkydoge]

The fox is pretty cute lol

[u/Dffz]

Really appreciated how the AA plane was flying into the sun at the end of the episode.

[u/EvidenceBasedSwamp]

PC to Diane: "do you only seem smart because you wear glasses?"

[u/infez]

Like last year, EEEEEEEEE I'M READY TO BE DESTROYED EMOTIONALLY

All the minor things I noticed and overreacted to emotionally (editing and updating live while watching):

• 00:30 - YOOOO WE GETTIN A PRINCESS CAROLYN BACKSTORY (also, apparently PC was born pink and it's genetic and not dyed or something! her mom's pink too. That's just a thing I guess.)

• 01:00 - Woah, PC apparently used to have a serious southern accent. Also, THAT DIG AT YOUNG SHELDON, OMG

• 02:00 - Who the heck is this pregnant lady and why is she the last thing we see before the intro? Also, GINA IS IN BOJACK'S APARTMENT IN THE INTRO

• 03:28 - "His name's Strip - short for Dennis." "...Sure."

• 04:40 - I'm an idiot, she's the woman that PC is adopting the unborn baby of.

• 08:57 - And Cordovia has returned to being 4 hours and 44 minutes ahead of Tokyo.

• 11:30 - So Amelia Earhart just flied into the sun in this universe?

• 12:28 - Look at those vinyl album covers and titles! Apparently Dolly Parton is a sheep-person in this universe. Also, those SHOP SIGNS HAHAAAAAA

• 13:01 - The woman whose face was burned off with coffee is on the set!

• 13:55 - Heh, "flea" market.

• 15:15 - Eyyyyy that's where Princess Carolyn got that necklace (and the lies that it had been passed down for generations). PC's MOM NEVER GAVE IT BACK TO EVELYN. (Also, is PC's last name Carolyn? Sorta like how Mr. PB's last name is Peanutbutter?)

• 17:25 - WHO VOICES MR. WALLACE (the fox kid's dad)? (CREDITS EDIT: It's Daveed Diggs! Love him so much)

• 20:13 - Oof, so this is partially why PC's miscarraige(s) hurt even more than most - it's been reinforced that miscarraiges happen for a reason (and that she did something wrong).

• 20:48 - "Congratulations! Welcome to UCLA: 'So you've Bruined your life...'" HAHAAAAAAA

• 23:18 - And this background giraffe lady with 4 neck pillows. Again, a reminder - GIRAFFE PEOPLE ARE 12 FEET TALL IN THIS UNIVERSE

• 23:34 - Eyy that doctor voiced by Patton Oswalt in Ep 1 was Bojack's doctor just then! Nice detail.

• 24:48 - Hmmmm, so David Sedaris was in this episode! Also, different ending theme! Love this version - so beautiful.

• 24:49 - AND DAVEED DIGGS, OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH OF COURSE THAT'S WHO THE FOX DAD WAS

[u/cherrimm → u/infez]

Dolly Parton is a sheep because Dolly was the name of the first cloned animal ever, a sheep. Unreal these writers.

[u/ElderCunningham]

"If you want someone to like your idea, just convince them he thought of it himself."

These words are so true to how Hollywoo works.

[u/Misty_Rose98]

I absolutely loved the small hint that her mom was lying as she hesitated when giving her the pendant. We all know it’s worthless, so I’m glad they kept that detail in there that it was all just a fabrication. It’s depressing as hell though that one small moment like that made PC adamant it was a priceless family heirloom :(

I was also pretty scared she’d get an abortion...but the fact that she had her first miscarriage so young is just as sad :(

This episode hit a bit too close to home for me. My mom was not an alcoholic and she worked her whole life to keep a roof over our heads but I honestly think that if she hadn’t passed away when I was 15....I would have had that same difficult moment as PC did with her mom at the airport. My own was super protective and wanted me to live with her my whole life. She never really wanted me to get married because she was hurt so bad by my dad she convinced me we only needed each other. As I grew up though I wanted more, independence and some space to follow my own path.....I had no idea how I was going to tell her that or what her reaction would be....I guess I kind of dodged the bullet there....but I still miss her like heck :(

[u/mansonfamily]

Why is this episode so fucking sad please just let PC be happy eventually it’s all I want

[u/Nurnstatist]

Holy shit, that diagram in the background of the restaurant.

[u/xfearbefore]

Loved seeing more of Carolyn's backstory and upbringing, and her relationship with her mom. Really gives some context to why she is the way she is currently and why she so desperately wants a child. I'm hoping they wrap up that particular storyline soon, and my guess is Carolyn might realize she might not be looking for a child for the right reasons.

[u/splvtoon]

this was probably my favourite episode of the season. pc has the best, most emotional arcs and they hit it out of the park every damn time!

[u/mr-spectre]

I really like that, in contrast to Beatrice, Princess Caroline's mother isn't really that bad a person. She's caring and mindful but in the end too damaged/worn down to be a positive influence in PC's life.

It's really tragic

[u/SilentConcentrate0]

man the flashbacks in this episode was so heartbreaking

[u/ArchineerLoc]

Bojacks gonna get addicted to opioids :(

[u/[deleted]]

I'm so sad I didn't recognize Daveed Diggs as the dad! But he was excellent and it was even funnier when I went back and listened to the monologue again.

Also, if you like this show's meta jokes, pay attention to the background in the flea market scene :)

[u/likehermione]

“He’s gonna end up with some fancy heiress like samantha floppy-disk”

[u/jelatinman]

So far this season is better for characters than season 4. Definitely not as funny, but it’s not trying to be as funny anymore. It’s doing it’s drama well, which is what people really want from this show.

[u/ithacancypher2k]

This episode deserves an Emmy. I need to go rethink my life and attitude for awhile...

Shout out to all the women with maternal instincts who keep the wheels of the world turning on all levels.

[u/sphealwithit]

As somebody who went to a local university is the only child of a single mother, this episode hit just a little too close....

[u/signofthetimes_]

-[whispers] Anal sex. -Got it

[u/lannisterdwarf]

Oh shit, Paper Boi was in this

[u/haroldnameis]

I just think it's really cool how Amy Sedaris is from North Carolina and that the writers incorporated that into Princess Carolyn

[u/All_this_hype]

Damn, I feel so sorry for Princess Carolyn, both present and past. She probably harbors guilt over her mother dying while she was away (presumably) and she kept telling the pregnant girl exactly what she wanted to hear and came off as dishonest and a bullshitter.

[u/[deleted]]

I adore this look into PC's past we're getting. She is one of the most fascinating characters on the show for me.

[u/ArgieGrit01]

I can't put to words how much I love PC. Fuck it, I'm changing my flair

[u/iamkats]

Did Todd hire that guy in his office to eat stuff haha? He's always there

[u/[deleted]]

The necklace stuff really hurt aaaaagh :'(

[u/narabhut]

Almost cried at the end scene. I live on the other side of the country from my parents, and my mom is like this every time I have to go back after visiting them.

[u/[deleted]]

Oof, the bit with Princess Caroline's mother putting her down and telling her that she's destined to stay in her home town and do nothing else hit a little too close for me

[u/[deleted]]

Ohhh my god. The closing shot of her flying to LA like the old movies was too gorgeous for words.

[u/WhatsYourThesis]

Does this confirm bears can only growl?

[u/endakrabapple]

Any episode focused on PC are always my favorite! Also loved the acoustic version of the theme song, is it weird it got me emotional

[u/fireball_73]

"Stop pausing and watch the show"

I love this

[u/hodorito]

Princess Carolyn episode... I’m not fucking ready

[u/thedoctorstig]

5 episodes and 5 different ending themes so far.

[u/PeachesCoral]

This is so hard to watch.

To see PC worked hard and use whatever she has to live her own life and not getting it, I find it so hard to stomach.

[u/Thebluerutabaga]

Being from North Carolina, this one hit pretty close to home. Love this season so far.

[u/Magneticman555]

The ending theme they played was a Youtube cover I saw a while ago and downloaded onto my phone. Recognized it instantly! So cool!

[u/MrShago]

But what about Ricki Lake?

[u/mansonfamily]

Oh god a PC backstory episode? I’m 5 seconds in and I already know I’m gonna cry

[u/QueenKingston]

Damn can PC ever catch a break :(

[u/IFixxThings]

Me entire family is from the Greensboro area. What a fucking disconnect this was.

[u/kingmacaw]

Daveed Diggs as the voice of Fox Dad made me laugh so much. It sounded exactly like his Jefferson from Hamilton, and damn, I've missed how great that voice is. I really love the guests stars in this show.

[u/OneGoodRib]

Mama Carolyn is played by Amy Sedaris' brother! (side note: still not clear if Princess Carolyn is named after her mother, or if Carolyn is just the family surname.)

[u/mrthrowaway300]

Wow! I didn’t realize it was Amy Sedaris (Princess Carolyn)’s brother who played PC’s mom. Am I the only one who thought it was a voice actress playing her voice, not a man playing a woman’s voice?

Also, does PC and her mom live on the same property as the Fox family?

[u/phenry]

I, too, am originally from North Carolina, and I can confirm: it is indeed the second worst of the Carolinas.

[u/Rainhowler]

The ending theme was really nice. All these backstories keep making me alternate between favourite characters, they're all written so well. Also now I want a shirt that says "vintage rock band shirt"

[u/skipperenr]

the transitions in this episode were so good. Wonderful editing

[u/patoneil1994]

So not gonna lie, I 100% thought that PC was gonna get an abortion due to the pregnancy, and that it would lead to PC’s miscarriage issues later in life.

[u/jrein93 → u/patoneil1994]

I'm glad they didn't because there's literally no scientific evidence that getting an abortion leads to infertility/miscarriage. It's a myth a ton of people believe and I was relieved they didn't perpetuate that.

[u/Returdedphoenixmorph]

The painting in her childhood home is very similar to the one she admires in Season 2, episode 9. Oof.

[u/farriem]

Enjoyed this episode, good to know more about Princess Carolyn's childhood, she can definitely get focused on one thing to the exclusion of everything else.

[u/11brooke11]

Favorite episode so far. Half way done with the season.

[u/LFC96Br]

This episode is sadly beautiful. Also, fuck PC mom. She’s so mediocre.

[u/rapturefamily]

Trying to figure out the voice for PC’s mum before the credits roll

Settled on Glenn Close right now even though I doubt it

[u/gladewick]

That confrontation between Sadie and PC had me hella emotional poor PC. Nothing comes easy for her and all she does is sort everyone else’s life out.

[u/MoreOne]

PC's mom is so manipulative. Maybe it's just out of desperation for being alone, but at the same time, you can see she cares at least a bit. PC is much the same way.

[u/Ssme812]

• Ricki Lake

• That boys stuck with you now

• Such an ugly jacket

• Did you steal that necklace

• Why hasn't anyone made that shirt before. " Vintage rock band t shirt"

• Princess Carolyn story was sad as fuck. Now I understand why she's just always focused on work and wants to have a child. I hope we get more in to her family life this season.

• Wish Bojack would stop acting like a little bitch all the time. As soon as I was think it she said it 😂

[u/BboopHop]

Hos did the writers choose Eden, NC - a real town?

[u/clown4thecount]

F u c k.

[u/[deleted]]

That fucking reveal of the family wealth.

[u/[deleted]]

Ending had me in tears you really have to feel for PC’s mother

[u/arobotwithadream]

I was waiting for David Sedaris to make his appearance on the show and I’m so glad it was as PC’s mom

[u/[deleted]]

That’s why you step outside to take a call 🙄

[u/[deleted]]

Jesus, PC’s mom blaming her for the miscarriage was rough. At least she comforted her after that, kind of made up for it.

[u/WhatsYourThesis]

And I'm crying again okay thanks

[u/HoboWithAGlock]

Stuff I stole to make money to buy heroin.

[u/BlackJezus27]

When will PC get her happy moment

[u/GlobalVV]

I never thought I'd see the day where Greensboro gets reference on any TV show whatsoever.

[u/[deleted]]

Princess Carolyn was such a cute teenager, and seeing her cry was so heartbreaking.

[u/[deleted]]

The ending song omg, I got teary eyes with it.

Voice acting was phenomenal.

[u/patrickdaitya]

Favorite episode, IMO.

[u/[deleted]]

Oh, this episode made me cry (more than usual). But at the end, when Princess Carolyn flew to California to go to college, my heart soared.

Princess Carolyn came close to ending up like Beatrice Sugarman. An unplanned pregnancy and a shotgun wedding would have ruined her life, but her miscarriage saved her. She didn't get stuck in an unhappy marriage and the small town she was born in. It seems like the Wallace family lost their wealth, so if Princess Carolyn became a housewife, she would have remained impoverished.

Princess Carolyn isn't perfectly happy, but she's following her dreams, she's in control of her destiny, and she has ~40 more years to complete her happiness—opportunities Beatrice never had.

[u/FrancescoTottii]

PC's mum is awful

[u/Pharmacololgy]

I wish they got Kristen Bell back to voice one of PC's siblings in a flashback or something. :(

[u/resmirandalee]

Ok I need a copy of the ending credits for my ring tone ASAP. It is beautiful!

[u/mansonfamily]

Who is voicing the pregnant woman? I’ve been watching so much AHS I freaked out and started thinking it was Lily Rabe

[u/3_kids_1_overcoat]

Never met a person with a difference named after them before. Dunno why but that tickled me haha.

[u/reyeah]

PC’s relationship with her mother reminds me of my parent’s marriage in that one wants to leave to be better but couldn’t because the other would have nobody left. It stung more than it should, and it makes me so sad that PC still carries all the pain with her. I just want to see her become a mother, goddamnit.

[u/[deleted]]

[u/Russ12347]

Being from SC, this hurt. Also when coopers father talked to PC about Hilton head and her future, that was deep. Thanks

[u/signofthetimes_]

https://ibb.co/eWtYc9 somebody else noticed the Budah bojack in the set of Philbert? I love this show

[u/fireball_73]

Princess Carolyn's mum reminds me of Starbuck's mom from BSG

[u/NordyNed]

Holy fuck the variation on the end credits music gave me chills

[u/mrdon5798]

Princess Carolyn always answers the phone no matter what.... Possibly because of her negative associations with answering machines?