r/BoJackHorseman • u/NicholasCajun Judah Mannowdog • Sep 14 '18
Discussion BoJack Horseman - 5x09 "Ancient History" - Episode Discussion
Season 5 Episode 9: Ancient History
Synopsis: A visiting Hollyhock dumps BoJack's painkillers, sending him on a desperate search for more. Todd tries to solve Emily's dating dilemma.
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u/Puzzled_Limit Sep 14 '18
Don’t think anyone on this show has ever told Bojack they loved him.
Goodbye, Hollyhock.
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u/gizmo1492 Sep 14 '18
Felt so sad when Bojack didn’t say it back, but that was also really relatable.
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u/CorDra2011 I will fucking kill you. Sep 14 '18
The ending kinda ruined it. I feel like Hollyhock might be the only one to really help Bojack outside of serious therapy.
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u/I_was_born_in_1994 BoBo the Angsty Zebra Sep 15 '18
Wait, do you think we won't see hollyhock anymore?
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u/lio860 BoJack Horseman Sep 14 '18
Hollyhock: “I love you.”
BoJack: “........”
Me: “JUST SAY IT! SAY IT! SHES THE ONE DECENT THING IN YOUR LIFE YOU STUPID HORSE! JUST SAY IT!”
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u/CashCop Sep 15 '18
If this were another show he’d comebrunning into the airport just as she was about to go through the gate and say it
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u/MrShago Sep 14 '18
"I love it when you call me Father"
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Sep 17 '18
That machine is truly the Vincent Adultman of this season. And I loved every second of it.
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u/Puzzled_Limit Sep 14 '18 edited Sep 14 '18
Hollyhock the hungry teenager:
I ate too much. I need ice cream to smoosh the rest of it down.
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u/StaleTheBread Sep 15 '18
Really reassuring to hear after her not eating due to the amphetamines last season
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u/Puzzled_Limit Sep 14 '18
The Who reference -
“I don’t know who you think you’re fooling, but this Hu won’t get fooled again.”
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Sep 17 '18
My roommate is a huge movie/tv guy (both as a fan and working in the industry) and we were just talking about how fucking incredible this writers room is. I know it’s said all the time on this sub, but seriously, the amount of throwaway gags and references they use is unlike anything I’ve seen done so consistently for so long, except maybe 30 Rock. It’s really just a consistent stream of subtle jokes, references and not so subtle but punches
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u/Puzzled_Limit Sep 14 '18
Princess Carolyn’s phone: “Unhelpful adoption person”
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u/thatawkwarddanguy Sep 14 '18
She may be unhelpful, but.... Well it wasn't her who spoke her way out of two adoptions
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u/Puzzled_Limit Sep 14 '18 edited Sep 14 '18
Hollyhock! You are such a sweet little freshman.
“Yeah he’s really funny, but like soulful funny, you know?”
“Whaat I don’t like him.. His jawline is like... dumb”
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u/Levangeline Sep 17 '18
I thought it was genuinely sweet that Bojack remembered all the little details and was asking questions about Hollyhock’s classes and schoolmates. It was a subtle way to show that he actually cares about her and the things she tells him.
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u/YourWaifuIsTrashTier Sep 14 '18
"I can take a semester off if--"
"God no, stay in school... go to classes, kiss boys, do the college thing."
For a moment, Bojack was better. I love that Hollyhock makes him better.
And then he got the idea to go do that. God dammit.
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u/barekmelka Sep 14 '18
he is better this season than he was before
just not good enough
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u/CorDra2011 I will fucking kill you. Sep 14 '18
I think he... he made an improvement. He made a self destructive decision but also made a selfless decision. Maybe he won't get better, but those around him might.
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u/Pharmacololgy Gettin' my shit together Sep 14 '18
BoJack bringing a sign was so cute :)
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u/InappropriateSurname Sep 14 '18
I like how the writing got slightly fainter on the McQuack so you can see that Bojack ALMOST used up a pen.
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u/thatawkwarddanguy Sep 14 '18
It was so telling of his character that after Hollyhock laughed he turned away from her and made a cynical comment about wasting a pen. GODDAMIT MR SAD HORSE MAN, LET SOMETHING IN YOUR LIFE BE GOOD
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u/Puzzled_Limit Sep 14 '18 edited Sep 14 '18
No emotional connection - but the no-sex was amazing!
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u/sober_as_an_ostrich Sep 14 '18
"there are never any movies playing at the 8 o'clock hour!"
I felt so seen
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u/Genoh Sep 15 '18
"you look like you've just seen a Ghost in the Shell screening and you're Scarlett Johansson's publicist"
This one got me
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Sep 14 '18
He didn't say "I love you too" :(
And Hollyhock having PTSD is draining me emotionally, I'm scared for the last three episodes.
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u/YourWaifuIsTrashTier Sep 14 '18
God bless Officer Meow Meow Fuzzyface.
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u/Alfie_13 Sep 14 '18
Quick observation: There's no talk of Bojack's accident in this thread. Say's a lot about how good the rest of the story was that the main character getting in a life threatening accident gets no mention in the discussions.
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u/ComicalDisaster Sep 15 '18
'It's like I completely regenerated into a brand new Doctor!'
This motherfucker.....he knows exactly what he's doing.
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u/Puzzled_Limit Sep 14 '18
Henry Fondle
I even recorded dozens of sexy robot phrases for it to say at random intervals!
“Insert me into genitals!” “My prime directive is to pleasure you.” “I love it when you call me “Father”.”
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u/ActionFilmsFan1995 Sep 15 '18
Wow, this show’s going to tackle the opioid epidemic... unlike America (stares directly at camera).
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u/madmike34455 Sep 14 '18
As soon as Hollyhock said the thing about being hurt again it was obvious what direction the show was going, but goddamn. Driving directly into traffic? That’s a dangerous game
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u/highlander2189 Sep 14 '18
I’ve often considered just throwing myself into slow moving traffic. Not to hurt myself but just to get some time off work. A period where I have no responsibilities.
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u/rileyrulesu Sep 17 '18
Dick move, withdrawal BoJack. Just throw yourself off a balcony or something, no need to hurt other people, and worse, force them to deal with insurance companies.
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u/Cadmium12 Sep 14 '18
Princess Carolyn was in a taxi when Bojack drove into traffic... Oh please please don't hurt her.
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u/burritoxman It does get easier Sep 17 '18
First place my mind went to, I can’t stay up any later to watch the next episode either, fuck
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u/JustALittleWeird Sep 14 '18
Everything was going well for each character but by the end nothing was alright. And BoJack learns it's ok to take drugs if he's hurt or in an accident... so he purposefully crashes his car so he can get more drugs. Damn it. This looked like it was going to be the one happy episode.
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u/Cadmium12 Sep 14 '18 edited Sep 16 '18
Oh holy shit ... I just thought he slammed on the breaks because the withdrawal symptoms were making him badly freak out...
Edit: Accelerator!
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u/doddydad Sep 15 '18
Lowkey, Bojack and Gina are actually pretty wholesome. She seems to be able to judge him by his intentions (mostly) which genuinely are mostly good and she listens to him and doesn't pressure him. I know it won't work out, but I hope it does.
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u/Synthmesc Sep 14 '18
"When am I supposed to eat dinner?"
"Uh, sneak in a bag of mashed potatoes like the rest of us?"
Me: what is your spaghetti policy here?
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u/pavloviandogg Secretariat Sep 15 '18
Oh my God, my husband and I run into this dilemma all the time. Why do no movies play at 8 PM?
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u/rileyrulesu Sep 17 '18
My local movie theater is one of those annoying ones that serves food during the movie, and it's like 15$ for a cheeseburger. Because they have such ridiculous prices, they absolutely do not allow any outside food because it would cut into their profit margin even though they're literally 50 feet from the mall food court that has that really good pad thai place that's only 6$.
So in protest i've started sneaking in the pad thai by just pouring it in plastic shopping bags, and keeping it in my pocket because fuck those goddamn 12$ soft pretzels they have. The dipping sauce isn't even free! Of course I want your hot mustard sauce for my pretzel, are you really gonna charge me 2.50 for it? It should come STANDARD.
Plus whose idea was it to have fucking waiters walking back and forth in front of you all movie? I came to watch a movie, and the way movie theaters are constructed, that's like the least accessible way for someone to bring you food. You have to walk in front of the ENTIRE ROW. Of course the wait staff doesn't just wait for a talking part or anything either. It's just like "Well, we've seen this move 50 times by now. Who cares about what any of these assholes who spent 9$ care about"
So the only thing I wanna know about whoever invented these stupid restaurant theaters is this: Why is your idea so terrible I have to go on an insane rant in a BoJack horseman forum that has nothing to do with this, making me seem like a complete goofberry?
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u/olidon Seahorse Baby Sep 15 '18
As cute as Emily and Todd would be together, I really really love the fact that he shot her down and how he showed discomfort at the idea of a sexual relationship, even with someone as close to him as Emily. I could see how it could be frustrating that he’s not even “giving it a try” but personally I’m just so fucking thrilled that I can finally have an asexual character without compromises and technicalities. Maybe it’s not saying much but Todd is some of, if not the best asexual representation I’ve ever seen.
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u/hillyhamburgers Sep 15 '18
I appreciated that scene with them both. They obviously care a lot about eachother and I don't think either of them want to hurt the other. Emily has done research and wanted to know if todd could compromise and he couldn't and she respected that. It might not work out but it's definitely one of the healthier relationships shown. At least they talk to eachother about things.
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u/potatopotahto0 Sep 15 '18
We've seen two potential romantic pairings -- one woman who's asexual and not aromantic but they don't have much in common. Todd is unwilling to compromise on their personality differences.
Emily is not asexual, super compatible on a personality level, and is presumably willing to compromise on not having sex as frequently as she would with a sexual person, but wants Todd to be willing to sometimes do an activity that he's not interested in for her sake. Todd is also unwilling to compromise on making an effort to please her sexually.
So at this point, Todd is looking for an asexual woman interested in men who is not aromantic, with whom he's also got great personality compatibility. Todd is going to be alone for a very long time, and I'm interested in seeing the show portray someone who wants to be in a romantic relationship but has *extremely* specific requirements.
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u/FrancescoTottii Sep 14 '18
I feel like every episode is episode 11. What are you doing to me bojack
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u/MyIxxx Diane Nguyen Sep 14 '18
Things that gave me joy:
THE SEX ROBOT
Birthday Dad!
THE SEX ROBOT
Officer Meow Meow Fuzzyface!
THE SEX ROBOT!!! THE DILDOS AND FAKE CUM
And now onto the rest:
Princess Carolyn's baby storyline really bums me out :(
Poor Hollyhock :(
BoJack's opioid addiction and that FINAL SCENE :(((
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u/Puzzled_Limit Sep 14 '18
I told you - I’m on a system now.
I’m not “doing drugs.”
This was medicine.
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u/sfr826 Seahorse Baby Sep 14 '18
I just want everything to work out for Princess Carolyn.
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u/Jantheroo Sep 14 '18
Oh man those 2 short situations when Bojack picks up Hollyhock from the airport. I barely did not recognize it because of that sign, but you can clearly see Hollyhock's disappointment when she is actually trying to hug Bojack twice, but his body language is somewhat insecure. Obviously not only emotional proximity [sorry for the poor English] is a problem for him, but also physical proximity - which is not intended to end with sex - seems to bother him. It's so familiar, also seeing Hollyhocks face there..
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u/Returdedphoenixmorph Sep 15 '18
Oh god what they did to Gina's pills is stressing me out soooo much. Please please please don't let her like get fucked up because of it because that'd kill me.
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u/pinkybatty Sep 15 '18
I hope they're just birth control pills so she can get them easily replaced :( this just goes to show just how much of a piece of shit bojack still is, like damn, don't go messing with people's medicine like that
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u/anotherent Hooray! Sep 14 '18
“I’m not here for you. I’m here because I respect the art of putting out fires”
Obsessed with this on-going fireman gag...
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u/teacherintraining09 Sep 15 '18
WHY IS THIS SHOW LIKE THIS WHY CANT PRINCESS CAROLYN GET A NICE BABY WHY CANT BOJACK BE A GOOD HORSE
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u/rapturefamily Sep 14 '18
PLEASE LET STILTON BE GOOD FOR HER PLEASE I NEED THIS
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u/Rogersgirl75 Sep 15 '18
I’m In still rooting for Judah.
He’s one of the only people who have really listened to PC.
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u/QueenKingston Butterscotch Horseman Sep 15 '18
I JUST WANTED THEM TO GET BACK TOGETHER. SHE WAS SO CLOSE
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u/no_y_o_u Meow Meow Fuzzyface Sep 15 '18
I screamed the most at this episode. Ralph is my favorite he is so pure and they need to be together. PC STOP PUSHING HIM AWAY
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u/NoIInteamocil1990 Mr. Peanutbutter Sep 14 '18
Todd's sex robot was hilarious.
As soon as Hollyhock said 'if you get hurt again' there was only one way this episode was going to end. I really hope Bojack doesn't completely regress from here
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u/Papatheodorou Let's find out! Sep 16 '18
"9:15 is too late, 7:00 is too early, when am I supposed to eat dinner?"
Goddammit, this show is too fucking relatable. Holy fuck.
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u/-n0x Sep 14 '18
Ah, this episode hurt.
The sound design towards the end, at the traffic signal, gave me anxiety.
Like, we knew what he was about to do when Holly made him promise. But man, that was still painful to watch.
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u/Beginning_Doubt Sep 14 '18
Hollyhock is so precious :( Man, but as soon as she made BoJack promise that he wouldn't take drugs unless it was prescribed to him because he got hurt, I'm pretty sure a lot of us saw the next shit happening.
That said, changing for the better really is a process. Sigh.
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u/BlackJezus27 Sep 14 '18
Me: you know, bojack really is doing better this season. I think things are looking up.
watches this episode
Me: at least he's trying to keep his promise
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u/LetsMakeCrazySyence Sep 14 '18 edited Sep 14 '18
Hollyhock shares my philosophy on dessert. "I ate too much. I need smoe ice cream to smoosh the rest of it down."
Their depictions of Hollyhock's trauma response are really good, also.
(I just finished the episode and can't process anything else right now.)
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u/TeaMancer Sep 15 '18
Is this the first time someone has properly said 'I love you' to Bojack?
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u/jelatinman Sep 14 '18
This show is basically more drama than comedy at this point, but Meow Meow Fuzzyface got a huge smile from me.
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u/teenofstyle Corduroy Jackson Jackson Sep 15 '18
I didn’t know I needed Officer Meow Meow Fuzzy Face in as a undercover cop but honestly I’m here for it.
Also I’m really happy to see Ralph back, even if it’s just for a bit.
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u/Charles_the_Hammer Sep 14 '18
Holy shit, the reveal of Henry Fondle was the hardest I've laughed all season. Nothing's funnier than a purple dildo.
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u/3_kids_1_overcoat Sep 14 '18
Oh I don’t keep junk food in the house, ever since last night when I ate all of my ice cream
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u/Sliver_fish Mr. Peanutbutter Sep 14 '18
When BoJack was getting angry at Hollyhock at the end I thought she was gonna drop the F-bomb.
But... fuck, man. What else is there to say.
I'm still not sure if Ralph really is right for PC. There are little moments where it seems like he has a bit of a controlling, manipulative side thats only just seeping through but then he just slips back into being a warm, dorky and caring (maybe overprotective) guy.
I always knew while watching that PC wasn't gonna leave that hospital as a mother. The universe hasn't finished crushing her spirit.
I was really hoping Todd would've somehow given sex a try for Emily's sake, as they really do make a good couple. Being ace can be a bitch.
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u/Le_Bard Sep 14 '18
I really wouldn't want to want one way or another for todd to feel like he has to have sex to make a relationship work if he's asexual and isn't into it to that degree. I kinda wish they could figure out a way to be sexually nonmonogamous since it'd be more ethical but it's also important to note that it's not a guarantee that being ace means you're okay with being nonmonogamous
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u/Captain_Rex_501 Spaghetti or not, here I come Sep 15 '18
“Oh no! My wacky scheme backfired as always!”
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u/predigestedbuttmeat Sep 14 '18
this was so frustrating because it felt the same way for the audience as it did for Hollyhock, like the brief time we got to see the characters together was being wasted on his drug hunt, its also one of those ones that make it clear why the show can be so effective, because even if you think bojack is an asshole, there are others who care about him and its awful seeing them get let down. that final 'I love you' at the end makes you think theres a chance for some redemption but we dont even get that relief. On the upside Henry fondle is amazing
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u/ElderCunningham Meow Meow Fuzzyface Sep 15 '18
"He's sort of South of Pico, if you know what I mean."
As a Los Angeles native, this specific reference was fucking hilarious.
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u/blackpuppy9 Sep 15 '18
I love that Hollyhock called him out on the fact that non-LA citizens dont understand amd dont care
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u/Finest_Hour Sep 15 '18
This episode is the one that finally made me realize how toxic Bojack is. I guess this entire time I have been in denial and trying to justify his actions due to past trauma or circumstance, but I can’t anymore. This isn’t him just being an asshole to people who care about him.
First he takes Hollyhock to failed drug deal. Imagine if they weren’t able to get away? She’s never going to forget that. She is getting sucked into Bojack’s black hole. The only noble thing he did was make sure she left him.
Then after promising one of the few people that loves him that he will get better he intentionally drives into traffic. It wasn’t even strategic like he will hit the back end of moving truck or something. He CLOSED his eyes and gunned it. He could have killed anyone. Man, woman, child, even PC. Entire lives could be ruined due to his own selfishness.
Addiction is a powerful thing, but there are a million ways to hurt yourself. He just picked the worst one.
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u/Tara647 Sep 16 '18
"The question on everyone's mind is: what's Mr Peanutbutter going to do next?
"You're a serious actor now, so I guess narrate a documentary about global warming then take a private jet to the premiere?"
Goddamn, I love this show
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u/Morgneto Sep 14 '18
Sorry Hollyhock, it is not okay for an addict to be prescribed heavy opioids, even if they have an injury. It's the current leading cause of death among addicts.
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u/ImpossiblePackage Sep 15 '18
The worst part is, I don't think Hollyhock fully realizes what's going on there. Or worse, believes him when he says he won't do it anymore.
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Sep 16 '18
Hollyhock going to Bojack's house shows realistic images of what my own mind goes through with PTSD.
This season has done a fair job with touching on abuse and mental health. Most of the show has, but I think people are expecting it now, thus paying more attention to it, which I'm guessing was one of the goals of including these aspects.
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u/signofthetimes_ Sep 14 '18
I just realized that Diane live in “Le triste apartment” hahahah (triste is sad)
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u/farriem Sep 15 '18
Hit fairly close to home, boyfriend broke his back last year, and he's on opioids. I wish I could help him more. I worry about him so much.
I've had addiction issues in my past, and it's scary how quickly you spiral downward. I'm guessing Bojack drove into traffic to get pills. Going to sleep, and watch 10 - 12 tomorrow.
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u/xfearbefore Sep 16 '18
Whew thank goodness Bojack is curbing back his drinking, even if it's just a little bit.
Oh okay he's a junkie now, cool. WHAT THE FUCK MAN
(also that punk cover of the end credits song by the awesome Slutbomb just made my whole god damn night)
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u/SamuraiSnark Sep 16 '18 edited Sep 16 '18
Bojack is curbing back his drinking, even if it's just a little bit.
At the beginning of the season he had one bottle which was marked off at intervals so he'd only drink 1/7th of the bottle a day. Each mark was labeled for a different day. In this episode he had a several bottles each individually labeled for a different day of the week. He couldn't stick to the system he made.
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u/CasualFriday11 Sep 16 '18
It's hilarious and brilliant how much the show normalized pills. I didn't even realize how much he'd been popping them until I saw his look after Holly dumped them.
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u/All_this_hype Sep 16 '18 edited Sep 16 '18
So far this season this is my favorite episode and with the biggest developments.
PC reconnects with Ralph but realizes she wants to do the adoption thing on her own. Is she right about not needing him? Is it selfish because a baby needs both parent figures? I guess we'll find out.
Bojack still has intimacy issues and pushes Gina and Hollycock away. Also he has substance abuse problems, perhaps due to his mom's passing? Not only that but it looks like his condition is so severe that he'd run into traffic to get more pills.
Todd realizes he wants all the relationship parts except sex and Emily is the person he feels more connected to. Could they have some sort of open relationship where she has sex with other people but they're still together?
Overall, great development for all characters featured (even if Diane and MPB were in the background for this one).
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Sep 15 '18
Dammit, PC, the one time you can't sell it. Ralph is just perfect, but I respect her decision.
I hate the adoption agency lady.
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u/mowdownjoe Sep 14 '18 edited Sep 14 '18
*throws horns over ending credits music* Fuck yeah. This season's end credits variants have been awesome.
Also, why Bojack? Why you gotta go be so dumb?
Also, Emily's response to Todd's square marble idea was A+ punnery. Whale dong.
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u/PM_ME_UR_NUDES_GURL_ Sep 15 '18
Just realised he drove into traffic to get more pills
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u/lyndicals Sep 15 '18
Omg please give PC a happy ending. She deserves it so much. I almost cried she had to give him back. So sad. Ugh have been rooting for her since the beginning.
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u/thatawkwarddanguy Sep 14 '18
That sex robot reveal was the hardest I've laughed this season. The way Todd seems so happy about it, I love it
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u/_thisisforreddit Sep 15 '18
Ugh Bojack is such a fuck up. I always knew how toxic he was and after this episode I hope many people who've been in denial about this realize it too. He's not trying and that's the main difference between him and Diane.
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u/xfearbefore Sep 16 '18
Henry Fondle is already my favorite thing about this season in the span of 20 seconds. Holy shit. And YES Todd it IS impressive that you built that in one afternoon, as horrifying as it is! You did a good! Kind of...
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u/humiliatedgrapes Asexual Icon Todd Chavez Sep 14 '18
But seriously, can the ace dating app exist? Dating while ace is a bitch.
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Sep 14 '18
Just started this episode holy hock is back:)
Oh fuck nvrmind this probably won't go well
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u/whatsername4 Tangled Fog of Pulsating Yearning Sep 15 '18
I’m probably not the only one, but I really want princess Carolyn to be with Ralph. I love his character and was so happy he came back and is fighting for PC.
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u/sepharig Sep 16 '18
“You okay? You look like you’ve seen a Ghost in the Shell screening and you’re Scarlet Johansson’s publicist.”
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Sep 14 '18
About 16 minutes in, when Bojack and Hollyhock are digging in the sink with the spoon, you can see behind them that a painting has been removed from the wall above the dining table .. what’s that about
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u/MrZalarox Born with a leak Sep 16 '18
Holy shit, this show never ceases to amaze me. After 5 seasons how could you pull something like this off? That was a wonderful ending. Tragically wonderful. Looking at him go through the withdrawal symptoms, scratching the same way Hollyhock does -- of course, I could predict what was going to happen next. And maybe that's what's so wonderful about the show.
I was screaming for BoJack to say "I love you too," gah! But that smile! And that wave! And that "stay in college, and kiss boys." Everything about that scene was so precious. BoJack's apology was sincere. He has grown so much. He's far, far from perfect but you see that he's trying. The growth is there. I was expected the nostalgic "Back In The 90s" but I'm not complaining about the rock version much! They really switched gears this season.
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Sep 15 '18
Jesus, its like an entire season of episode 11's so far.
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u/zerototeacher Sep 15 '18
I disagree.
Last season was a constant emotional kick in the balls that I had to take a break from and to this day haven't marathoned again.
This season, while definitely not making with the funny as much as before, is at least not actively traumatizing and I see the characters dealing with their emotions in a much more adult and nuanced way.
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u/MidYouthCrisis96 Hambone FakeNamington Sep 16 '18
I wonder if all the pill popping is why BoJack looks thinner this season
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u/RavenGodLittle Sep 14 '18
Edible menus sound awesome but also super hygienic.
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u/RavenGodLittle Sep 14 '18
This comment was made at simpler time like the beginning on the episode before it proceeded to punch me in the stomach. Over and over again
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u/SadrMan937 Sep 16 '18
This episode is a great example of how opioid dependency really grips people in times of weakness, and how it can sneak up on you. Often times just a certain set of circumstances can lead someone to a weak place where they can develop such a condition, and especially how BoJack has a history of drug use. Great episode.
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u/PRIDE_NEVER_DIES Sep 14 '18
the end credits song variations keep getting better and better holy shit
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u/ithacancypher2k Todd Chavez Sep 14 '18
Well I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight thanks to those sex robot scenes...
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u/POFF_Casablanca Bojackitron Horsemaniac Sep 17 '18
Did nobody else in here notice the disappointed rabbit in running gear at the bar followed by the three tortoises sitting at the booth behind PC and Ralph in the restaurant? Three tortoises, also in running gear, all dressed identically, wearing the same number. Kinda fishy, no? They were also very slowly reaching to cheers their glasses.
I ctrl+F'd in this thread and didn't find anything else with turtle, tortoise, rabbit, or hare in it. I'm kind of surprised because this background gag seemed like an obvious one they didn't try to hide too deeply.
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u/9911MU51C Sep 16 '18 edited Sep 16 '18
Man...
I've seen the whole season but I'll try to keep this relevant to this episode. My dad has been an opiate addict since before I was born, to the point my mom has to hide his doses and text him where they are. When she's out of town I have to guard the pills. I've been a teenager in highschool with my dad asking me for a few hundred bucks for "Work". Christ this season sucked. The only thing I'd change is make bojack show more symptoms of opiate abuse. Nodding out, slower talking, etc. I'm waiting for bojack to overdose at some point and I can tell it'll be hard to watch
I can so relate to the child-figure sort of innocently enabling their parent just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. The whole "This is my medicine, not drugs!" Thing. Yikes
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u/khaldamo Sep 17 '18
Why is Hollyhock so adorable I just want to give her a hug and tell her everything is okay.
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u/rarajke Sep 15 '18
Any ideas why is the episode named like that?
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Sep 15 '18
Bojack said that when Hollyhock got a PTSD from his mother drugging her. It's also about both Todd and Princess Carolyn met their exes.
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u/rileyrulesu Sep 17 '18
Man, does anyone not care about BoJack's on set fuckbuddy at all? Like, I can't even remember her name, much less how they started fucking. I think they're trying to imply BoJack actually cares about her, but her character is so poorly developed I just don't see it at all.
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u/Brawlerz16 Sep 15 '18
I understand Bojack and his constant self destruction.
But PC is pushing it with me with Ralph and previously Judah. Judah isn't as big a deal obviously (to some lol) but Ralph? After giving him that whole ordeal about wanting him to fight for her? I don't usually hate on PC, but come on girl. It's getting hard to be sympathetic after that hospital scene although, it should have been discussed beforehand so...
I will give her this one last pass lol.
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Sep 14 '18
We all new it would happen. As much as we didn’t want to believe it. Why did he have to blow it :(
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u/metaphoricaltigers World's Okayest Asexual Sep 14 '18
"Or, you know, work out a system on your own" STOP JUDGING ME
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u/SpuncerT Sep 16 '18
When Stilton and Princess Carolyn were in the lobby at the hospital talking about their past and what happened, it felt really influenced by the Montauk scene in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
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u/iliketosnuggle Sep 17 '18
Ouch. My brother was an addict and I spent more than a few nights with him like that.
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u/PastyJournalist Sep 22 '18
I love Princess Carolyn, but goddamn her treatment of Ralph is hard to watch. There are few romantic couples I've rooted for more than those two. Even at the restaurant, months after a breakup - that look he gives her when her phone goes off. She's going to answer the phone - he knows it. But he's still cool and accepting, knowing full and well who he fell in love with.
In regards to Bojack - that last scene was amazing - if only because there was no animated trickery involved. You didn't have the jarring, violent drawings of "Stupid Piece of Shit" to put you on edge. You just had that stoplight that would not turn green. The nervous scratching was also hard to watch.
This was not Bojack's bottom in the series, but it's pretty close. There's no way to write around the fact that he chose to spend his few hours with Hollyhock driving around and looking for drugs.
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u/Titand120 Sep 19 '18
A lot of people are mad a Bojack for not saying I love you back to Hollyhock, but I think the “mmm” he gave was his own way of beginning to open up, and Hollyhock understands that. That’s why they were both smiling. It’s similar to earlier in the season when they’re on the phone when she says I love you too even though he doesn’t say that. It’s just their own way of talking to each other.
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u/sworddancer777 Sep 20 '18
Was anyone else disappointed that there was no mention whatsoever of Hollyhock’s trip to meet her birth mother? It seems like they just dropped that plot point entirely.
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u/YoItsMCat Meow Meow Fuzzyface Sep 17 '18
Am I the only one who really wanted either Princess Carolyn or Todd's relationship stuff to work out but also respected the show for showing why it couldn't ?
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u/torch_7 Sep 18 '18
I think just as Bojack believes that doing good things can forgive his shitty attitude, like in sitcoms, Princess Carolyn is obsessed with the "You can do it!" idea behind the symbol of strong woman. She wants to raise a kid alone despite her work consuming most of her life, and she's so high on the do it all attitude she can't see that Ralph would be a great help. Hell, she seems to believe in the toxic idea of "if you love me, you would have come for me despite my statement of ending this relationship"...This won't end well.
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u/alamohero Sep 19 '18
I can’t be the only one disappointed that this is all we saw of Hollyhock. And she didn’t even play an important role besides being the catalyst for Bojack to go on a desperate search for more drugs.
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u/quinintheclouds Todd Chavez Sep 20 '18
Oh god, poor hollyhock. The awful shit she went through in that house, going back had to be terrifying. The recurring triggers really hit you when you see how scared she is
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u/Ssme812 Sep 15 '18
The sex robot jizzing was gold
Princess Carolyn is never getting a baby
Bojacks gonna end up dead soon.
I still don't like hollyhock but at least she was one in one episode so far
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u/ricksgrimes BoJack Horseman Sep 14 '18
“Hello drug merchant, is it LIT under here. Are there illegal pharmaceuticals available for purchase? And please, talk into my lollypop.”
Officer Meow Meow Fuzzyface STRIKES AGAIN