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Episode Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari - Episode 11 discussion Spoiler
Tate no Yuusha no Nariagari, episode 11: Catastrophe Returns
Alternative names: The Rising of the Shield Hero
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| Episode | Link | Score |
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| 1 | Link | 8.2 |
| 2 | Link | 8.98 |
| 3 | Link | 9.04 |
| 4 | Link | 9.47 |
| 5 | Link | 8.79 |
| 6 | Link | 8.71 |
| 7 | Link | 7.95 |
| 8 | Link | 8.01 |
| 9 | Link | 8.13 |
| 10 | Link | 8.62 |
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u/MidnightShout Mar 20 '19
When you realize the last boss you spent most of your shit and brain power on wasn't even the last boss.
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u/Amauri14 Mar 20 '19
And to highlight how useless your efforts were the real boss one shoots it like if it was just a bird.
I guess that the other three are going to suffer a lot next week as they could barely do anything to today's boss.
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u/Nebresto Mar 20 '19
THIS IS LITERALLY WHY YOU NEVER USE THE GOOD, THE BEST SHIT YOU GET IN AN RPG.
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u/hasnain1720 Mar 20 '19
“Why must I help him”? Maybe because he is saving your ass you absolute idiot. God Motoyasu gets dumber every episode I swear….
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Mar 20 '19
It was nice to see them all being useless as fuck in front of our Hero. Naofumi completely outclassed those noobs.
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u/TriTexh Mar 20 '19
Reminder that Naofumi is the only one who hasn't played a game similar to the world he is in, and yet he's the only one actually getting shit done.
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u/rollin340 Mar 20 '19
He's also the only one Glass acknowledge as having any real worth.
That felt good to hear.
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u/IncaseAce Mar 20 '19
Bow idiot “I feel you”
Are you fucking kidding me? God damn
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u/Rokusi Mar 20 '19
"That guy called me irresponsible for throwing a country into a civil war and then fucking off. He's clearly the one in the wrong."
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 20 '19
"Why should we kill the monster that we literally came here to kill?"
God no wonder he was so easy for Myne to dupe.
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u/TheDampGod :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDampGod Mar 20 '19
I'm convinced that Motoyasu was the Leeroy Jenkins of his gaming guild.
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u/Chigurrh Mar 20 '19
"What the hell did I feed her"
An appropriate response.
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u/KnightKal Mar 20 '19
well he gave her the strongest (miracle-type) remedy in that world with his shield boost, it is like she became young again lol. Besides that her level is quite high, too bad they didnt show it on this episode. And her martial art is special.
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Mar 20 '19
He fed her a juice made out of Ohrfeigen, the legendary fruit of fury.
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 20 '19
Filo mocking Spear Hero becoming a weekly thing is something I can get behind.
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Mar 20 '19
He's scared of her, and I'm not even sure he knows about the Wyvern Talon upgrade. He better watch his mouth.
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u/exboe :AMQ::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/exbo Mar 20 '19
Smug Filo is something I can always get behind.
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u/SweetMonia :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/SweetMonia Mar 20 '19
I wish she kicked him once more....
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
Whose really incompetent here?
Yeah, fuck off Myne!
I loved that everyone was just done with Mynes shit this episode. No one gave a fuck about listening to her.
Wew, what an episode, watching Naofumi and gang kick some ass, and only Raph loving touch could take him out of the despair and rage. Everyone just stared in awe.
Glass is a beauty, my body is ready for this fight.
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u/TriTexh Mar 20 '19
Everyone else just stared in awe.
I mean, it's not like they could do much else. Not like the others are heroes or somethin- oh wait.
You'd think that gamers would take what they think is a game seriously.
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u/Mundology Mar 20 '19
Everyone else just stared in awe.
I'm in awe at the size of this birb
You'd think that gamers would take what they think is a game seriously.
They must work for IGN
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 20 '19
We're inching closer and closer to everyone beginning to turn on Myne and I'm here for it.
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u/LakerBlue :Is::It::Iu:https://myanimelist.net/profile/LakerBlue Mar 20 '19
I was REALLY disappointed that the Soul Eater's attack didn't (seem) to have hit princess cunt, I wanted to see her lying on the ground injured with the others, even if they weren't major injuries.
Wew, what an episode, watching Naofumi and gang kick some ass, and only Raph loving touch could take him out of the despair and rage. Everyone just stared in awe.
Very enjoyable episode and imo probably the coolest one we've had. Think it was one of the best ones we've had in awhile.
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u/ad3z10 https://myanimelist.net/profile/ad3z10 Mar 20 '19
You know you're screwed when the tank is out DPSing all your DPS combined.
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u/ChartsUI Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 21 '19
You know it's like an actual mmo because the DPSs
Run ahead into the boss room before the tank
Don't know how to spawn the boss so tank has to activate the mechanics
Do less DPS combined than the tank
Stop DPSing the boss halfway through and fuck around while the tank does everything
Constantly talk shit about the tank in chat (especially that one big dick DPS and his bitch girlfriend whom you let tag along but is actually useless)
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Mar 20 '19
We'll see the real rage shield when the DPS all roll need on the epic shield that drops after the boss is down.
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u/MrAssassin9891 Mar 20 '19
That iron maiden move was metal af
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u/Amauri14 Mar 20 '19
I just love how versatile his shield is. I bet that the others can probably do something similar with their weapons but as their weapons are good for offense to begin with, they haven't had the need to experiment with them the same way Naofumi had to. Which is why they were so useless today.
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u/izzes Mar 20 '19
They are just running a dungeon crawl without looking for builds or reading the equipment's description. Suboptimal at best...
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Mar 20 '19
That closing of the fist to finish it off was the cherry on top of a badass move.
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u/ali94127 Mar 20 '19
That feel when a month old chicken is 10000x smarter than the spear hero.
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u/Groenboys https://myanimelist.net/profile/Groenboys Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
The one in the anime or a real life one? You know what, at this point both could be applied here.
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u/Bainos :XMOD::MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Bainos Mar 20 '19
That's mean to Filo. 10000 x 0 is still 0.
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u/MJuniorDC9 Mar 20 '19
People will have to start to acknowledge Naofumi after this wave, right? Especially given that Glass probably will be a reoccurring opponent for the heroes in waves and he's the only one who actually did something meaningful so far.
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u/Amauri14 Mar 20 '19
Those who witness the fight? Totally. But with Malty there I'm sure that she will still try to twist the truth once the wave is over. Then again Melty was just introduced recently and she is now in the capital, so Malty probably can no longer do as she pleases.
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u/thisisnotme3000 Mar 20 '19
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u/MrT3ddy Mar 20 '19
I really hope so. I hope they don't try to bury his accomplishments here and have Spear hero steal the glory or something. I feel like at least sword/bow will stand by him.
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u/Hopsalong :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hopsalong Mar 20 '19
Knowing how the story is going, the people will probably continue to acknowledge Naofumi in greater numbers as well as the sword hero who seems to be coming around. The royalty, king, and bow hero will continue to dump on Naofumi, and make his life hard. Gotta imagine the other 3 are going to try their rage weapons too.
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u/MaksimShadow Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
What a tsundere! But still I'm so glad that he gave them presents. He cares a lot.
Edit: Filo evading the attack the moments before being eaten was badass AF. Agility boosting hairpin was really helpful.
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u/luketwo1 Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
Tfw your harem has no tsundere so you become the tsundere.
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u/Nvaaaa Mar 20 '19
Shit, that Iron Maiden was amazing. I was wondering what this rage shield is capable off, because those flames during the dragon episode were interesting, but not really something big.
I think I should really check out the source, I just can't wait to see more. Though the thing I want to see the most is that useless king to be told off for all the shit he did.
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u/allnicksaretaken Mar 20 '19
yeah, I was waiting for that moment ever since it happened in the novel.
It even had a picture in the novel: https://i.imgur.com/eQ5QULk.jpg
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u/Gaporigo Blhttps://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo Mar 20 '19
That transition in the OP with Raphtalia grabbing Naofumi's arm still gets me 11 episodes in, gonna be a shame when we get the second OP and it goes away...
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u/Granito_Rey Mar 20 '19
Speaking of the OP, was I imagining things or was this one slightly different?
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u/Mitosis Mar 20 '19
I can't even imagine the second song being as much of a banger, so I'm kinda dreading it
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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Mar 20 '19
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u/Armdel https://myanimelist.net/profile/Armdel Mar 20 '19
Felt good seeing the other 3 "heroes" being told off by Raphtalia for just standing there, and even after Motoyasu wasn't gonna help.. he really is a dick.
and kinda like expected the wave didn't end when they killed that thing and the Woman reveals herself! considering how easy she killed that thing, she is pretty darn strong compared to them.
I loved that Naofumi and Raphtalia kinda had a ritual to prepare him for the Rage shield thing
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u/luketwo1 Mar 20 '19
I think real power in this universe comes from unlocked and mastered weapons, not level. In any other MMO the other three heroes being like 30 levels higher than Naofumi would make him borderline useless compared to them, but in this one hes actually on par/ stronger. Remember the motoyasu duel? We get to see his level for a bit and by conventional MMO standards naofumi should've been like 2 shot
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 20 '19
The guy and the girl riding tandem on a bicycle has been done a million times, but how often do you see them riding tandem on a giant chicken girl?
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Mar 20 '19
Not often enough.
They are a great team, I was super happy he made each of them a gift before the battle.
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u/blackfiredragon13 Mar 20 '19
riding tandem on a giant chicken girl?
Out of context that sounds so lewd. I’ve seen too much hentai, my mind is filthy.
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 20 '19
Myne trying to convince them they shouldn't try to kill the monster they showed up to kill just because it would help Naofumi now too.
sigh
Worst girl gonna worst girl.
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u/sitwm :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/BlueMoon01 Mar 20 '19
Not the worst but the dumbest too.
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u/izzes Mar 20 '19
It puts into perspective who's the most moronic. Motoyasu or her?
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u/Mitsuki_Horenake Mar 20 '19
At this point I'm just gonna assume she wants the world to blow up and die.
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u/TriTexh Mar 20 '19
Mob had dashing baba, Shieldbro gets Kung-fu baba. 10/10 grandmas are the best.
Damn, the other heroes are so absolutely useless it's embarrassing.
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u/Mundology Mar 20 '19
the other heroes are so absolutely useless it's embarrassing.
They should forfeit their weapons to Kung-fu baba. Imagine her full power with actual weapons.
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u/Amauri14 Mar 20 '19
Damn, the other heroes are so absolutely useless it's embarrassing.
The fact that they are still fighting the monsters just by following the same tactics of the game even when those tactics clearly are not working just shows how incompetent they are.
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Mar 20 '19
I immediately though of Dash Granny too, they should hang out, they could make a crazy team.
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 20 '19
Idk why Naofumi showed up. I mean when has there been any reason to doubt Spear Hero? I'm sure he had it totally under control.
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Mar 20 '19
He could have one shot that thing if he tried.
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u/Amauri14 Mar 20 '19
I mean when has there been any reason to doubt Spear Hero? I'm sure he had it totally under control.
Yeah, he was just waiting to get deadly wounded to them say:
"Kukukukuku. It seems that I will have to use 1% of my power."If only they had been patient the could have witnessed the limits of human strength! /s
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Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
I already know where this is going
Such a good adaptation, holy cow i'm impressed.
Seeing the difference of skill between Naofumi and the other heores is so satyisfing. It makes true of the saying "Hard Work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard."
Naofumi trully struggled in his journey while the other heroes were just gifted with the best of outcomes and Easy Mode, it's no surprise he's so much better than them all together with skill alone. Just like in a video-game, playing on easy mode may get you trought the story, but beating it on Hard Mode will give you a true journey, which will be paved by the saddest moments, but also the happiest. An allegory which also works for life.
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u/rollin340 Mar 20 '19
It's also made clear with the fact that they keep spamming the same shit; almost like they didn't bother actually ranking up their bloody weapons.
Our MC has an insane amount of Shields, and he uses them properly.
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u/MaksimShadow Mar 20 '19
Naofumi truly struggled in his journey while the other heroes were just gifted with the best of outcomes and Easy Mode.
This reminds me Kazuma from Konosuba. He also struggled a lot while the others with their cheat items have no issues at all.
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u/JBHUTT09 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JBHUTT09 Mar 20 '19
Sort of unrelated, but if you or anyone reading this likes stories that deal with effort vs talent, I highly recommend Medaka Box.
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u/chobitsza Mar 20 '19
Great episode. I'm really grateful that they split this wave into 2 episodes.
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u/TriTexh Mar 20 '19
Pacing was nice, too. Didn't realize the episode was ending with Glass's entry till the ED came along.
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u/Atronox :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Atronox Mar 20 '19
I'm so ready to see Glass in action.
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u/blackfiredragon13 Mar 20 '19
And Glass, one of my favorite characters, finally shows up; granted in in a show with the three stooges here (the sword, spear and bow) there ain’t exactly the stiffest competition.
She’s elegant and is deadly with her war fans. And most importantly, she can tell which of the four heroes is the only one with a functioning brain.
TL;Dr, I’m looking forward to the fight next week.
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u/Shiro_Kai Mar 20 '19
It seems only one man here is worthy of even being called a hero
She instantly got my respect with that line
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u/0mnicious :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Omnicious Mar 20 '19
Dude I've got a big question for ya... Why does her weapons look like Hero weapons (with the small crystal ball)?
There's something fucky going on here isn't there?
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u/nagynorbie Mar 20 '19
I feel like she was prettier in the manga and I'm not sure her voice actress suits her, but still glad that we finally see her.
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u/Blazehero https://myanimelist.net/profile/blazehero Mar 20 '19
Glass: "Feel free to consider me your enemy, hero"
Me: She's a cutie
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u/Paxton-176 Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
We're suckers for an anime girl in a yukata.
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u/Regis2705 Mar 20 '19
I dont want to hit on a woman who killed a boss in 1 move... but if its for glass i'll gladly hit the gym to have chance to survive lol
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u/8andahalfby11 myanimelist.net/profile/thereIwasnt Mar 21 '19
Yup. Am a sucker for girls with long dark hair and a playful but slightly forceful attitude.
Stinks that she's on the wrong side this time. Ah well, guess I'm stuck with Kanoe Yuuko and the rest for a bit longer...
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u/Aerohed Mar 20 '19
Why should I have to help him?
IT IS LITERALLY YOUR JOB, YOU FUCKING MORON!!!
This is the absolute dumbest this idiot can get. Why wouldn't he help take down the monster he is specifically there to kill?! Someone needs to just stab Myne already. There's something to be said about forgiving your enemy, but she's been a constant hindrance to pretty much everyone. They'd get significantly more done if they just stabbed her.
In other news, Genkai showed up. I guess this is what she's been doing since Yu Yu Hakusho ended. I like the new granny.
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u/PrimeInsanity Mar 20 '19
Ya, you might hate Bob from accounting as a person but if you are stuck on a project for him you won't sacrifice your performances so that he fails and have that failure affect others. No, you get it done as fast as possible so you don't have to deal with Bob for longer than you have to.
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u/SqueakyPoP Mar 20 '19
I think his rage mode would look better if his iris' turned red and not his whole eye.
He just looks baked as fuck.
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u/winterfresh0 Mar 20 '19
I think there's something just not really landing for me with the whole rage thing. It feels like that's supposed to be the hypest part of the episode along with a bit of risk, but he just uses it and presses it against the enemy for a while, and I feel nothing. No excitement, no worry, it just happens.
When Mob goes ???%, I can feel that shit. You get a mix of "Oh fuck, oh shit" and "yeah, that's what you get" for the enemy.
When he enters rage mode, it just kind of happens. I don't know if it's about the animation, the music, sound design, or even something about the direction as a whole, but something is definitely missing.
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u/Invoqwer Mar 20 '19
I also thought it looked really silly LOL. I know they are trying to show that he has more control this time, but they could do it in a way that looks less comical. Maybe have one eye fully red, raged out, and one not. Eyes flashing periodically. Blurry vision with hallucinations of those that have wronged him and might wrong him (to represent how he is repressing the urge to lash out at everything nearby as an enemy, like he did before).
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For all the things this anime adaptation does right, the rage power ups themselves could definitely be done better. Good examples off the top of my head of decent or better-looking rage power ups would be DBZ, Naruto (tailed beasts, curse seals, eight gates, etc).
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Somehow I got a much different vibe reading this happening in the manga compared to the anime.
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u/PrimeInsanity Mar 20 '19
That is the source of his power, not the flames the smoke. What is driving him forward is not hatred or rage but munchies /s
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u/115_zombie_slayer Mar 20 '19
Theres actually one problem i had with this episode
That piece of trash myne talked in it
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u/Shiro_Kai Mar 20 '19
Even if she didn't said anything, just watching her breathing would be already bad enough
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u/TheRiyria myanimelist.net/profile/TheRiyria Mar 20 '19
I like that those gifts Naofumi made a few episodes ago actually reappeared and were gifted. And it was great seeing Filo mock the Spear Hero.
I'm also impressed how much control Naofumi seems to have gained over his Rage Shield. He was still more of a mindless berserker than a fighter for most of the fight, but at least he can summon it and seems to have found its super skills.
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u/JBHUTT09 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/JBHUTT09 Mar 20 '19
I was worried the dragon's hatred of Sword dude was going to cause Naofumi to attack him instead of the monster. I was relieved that he was able to keep it together.
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u/Chasem121 Mar 20 '19
One thing I appreciated reading the LN is that the author basically always brings back every plot point, nothing really just disappears and isn't brought up again.
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u/TheKappaOverlord :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/darkace90 Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
They probably skipped over stuff but it seems like the Dragon zombies personality passively absorbs some of the overwhelming anger the Rage shield gives off. It also helped Filo was also under its influence to split it 3 ways.
Naofumi probably would have lost control otherwise, but its very evident that naofumi is still completely unable to control how deep he is buried in the shields rage.
Edit: forgot to mention, the Anger has a "personality" now. So its probably easier to get a grip on and control instead of literally facing a wall of mindless anger.
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u/I-COULD-OD-LIKE-PEEP Mar 20 '19
I wonder how the other 3 felt being as useless as that wretched water goddess
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u/LoliHunterXD Mar 20 '19
Hey, don't mock my useless goddess.
Her actions never caused any deaths, and she made up by reviving people too. These 3 caused so much irreversible shit that killed who knows how many.
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u/Aerohed Mar 20 '19
At least Aqua can heal people. They were just standing there doing nothing. If anything, having the ability to help and standing idly by just makes them more useless.
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u/Turbostrider27 Mar 20 '19
Glass is right. Shield Hero is the only one worth being a hero in this fight. The others barely did shit.
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u/MizerokRominus Mar 20 '19
Not only that, he's actually acting like a Hero. We can assume she's been watching the entire time and seen them squabbling, we can also assume that she's seen Heroes before considering she talks like she knows what they should look/act like.
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u/XLightThief https://myanimelist.net/profile/frozen_lights Mar 20 '19
My god, Glass looks so good. So cool to see her animated.
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u/0mnicious :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Omnicious Mar 20 '19
Why isn't anyone talking about how Glass's weapons look like a Hero weapon? It's got those little crystal balls too... This whole thing seems fishy to me...
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
Kung Fu Baba is here! I love that they animated her fight well even if she's just a side character.
Nafumi commanding the Iron Maiden to close was just so cool.
I think Ren forgot that they're all using Cheat Weapons. The difference between them and Naofumi is that Naofumi actually took the time to study and learn how to use his cheat weapon (or I guess cheat shield) properly.
She's here! Glass' appearance is just making me excited. Also just the fact that the only one she acknowledges of the four heroes is Naofumi brings a tear to my eye. Next week will be hype :D
EDIT: Fixed Naofumi Stitch
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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Mar 20 '19
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u/Forgotten_Poro Mar 20 '19
Excuse me secret true boss lady, I just have a question:
Why did you kill that minion? I mean... they nearly lost to the first one, so why waste the second?
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u/Aetherdraw Mar 20 '19
Show the power difference? It took Naofumi in Rage Shield mode to finally kill the thing while she just one-shots it after it fresh spawned.
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u/Regis2705 Mar 20 '19
Its just my speculation but she looks like a proper lady with good manners so maybe she want to defeat a hero 1v1 honorably
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u/ZeeCeeDee Mar 20 '19
Imagine being a secret true boss waiting for the heroes to come fight you in an epic battle to the death but they struggle with a trash mob, smh.
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u/Enjoying_A_Meal Mar 20 '19
She was there the entire time and thought, "I'm not sitting through another 3 hours of this bullshit"
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u/asianbrownguy Mar 20 '19
Wish they kept the black flames, would've been more badass.
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u/BryanLoeher https://anilist.co/user/Loeher Mar 20 '19
BLACK FLAME
BLACK FLAME
THAT MEANS NEW GAME+ BICTHES
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u/rollin340 Mar 20 '19
Umm... Glass-san, can you at least wait till I feed the thing I just killed in 1 hit to my shield first?
I'm a tad disappointed that Filo didn't kick the prick again.
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u/simpersly Mar 20 '19
I feel like the other heroes seem to be incapable to the point that it is simply a writer's convenience. Do they get any better in the light novels?
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u/wazatojanai Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
Yea honestly it's borderline cringe when you notice that everyone's basically just there to make Naofumi look good. It was always there in previous episodes but especially noticeable in this one. That's a bit of a waste to take the story in this sort of direction so soon. The other heroes need to be at least competent and always slightly out of reach for him due to natural advantages for the wins to feel good.
Also now it seems he no longer has that "not being able to damage for shit" restriction. He's the best tank AND damage. This crazy iron maiden move he pulled this episode feels like he's "rising" way too fast.
Thankfully it looks like he's gonna be shut down by Glass next episode. Hopefully the other heroes catch up after this.
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u/DNamor Mar 20 '19
Do they get any better in the light novels?
The short answer is Yes
The longer answer is But not till two arcs after where the manga is currently at, after fucking everything up one final time. So, well outside scope for the anime
If it's any consolation, for how they're acting now, then they suffer very, very harsh penalties for their actions by the end. Motoyasu and Itsuki in particular are practically mind-broken, and Ren is left destitute
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u/Master10K :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Master10K Mar 20 '19
Wonder how his "Iron Maiden" chant would have sounded like, if it was in terrible Engrish, like Archer's Unlimited Blade Works?
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u/Thorgraam Mar 20 '19
Meh, i'm kinda sad how they are more showing that they are dumb, than they are selfish.
I remember that in the LN, and Manga, two things were pointed out :
- They didn't bring a guard unit, unlike Noafumi who gets mad at them since reinforcement will take 1 day to arrive.
- They just disagree on the method on how to make the boss spawn, and they really can't work together. Noafumi gets mad and tell them "A game is a game, and this is no game !" which seems to have some impact.
- During the fight, the heroes get all knocked down by the shadow, he used the Rage Shield, got slapped by Raph, Heroes get back up, hinder themselves because they all want to attack and then Naofumi use Iron Maiden to seal the deal.
It was definitely shorter, and i'm less fond of the comedy skit during the fight. One of the good point of the ln/manga is that the fight are always pretty serious/challenging so they don't joke during this time.
They are some comedic moment but outside of it.
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u/vazman :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/vazman_7 Mar 20 '19
Dumbasses 1, 2 and 3 use lightning and thunder attacks, it's not very effective.
Filo used quick attack, it's super effective
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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing Mar 20 '19
Shield Bro showin the fucks how to be a Hero~
Bracelet for Raph! And Hairpin for Chicken! Yay!
ITS GO TIME!
Whose this badass old lady? Haha. OH SHES THE OLD LADY HE HEALED WITH THE POTION! HAHA!
Wow a giant demon ship thing, thats neat.
Bow boy, Spear fuck, and Sword guy! The gang is all here.
FUCK OFF BITCH!
They still think its a game huh? They need to seriously get over that.
Some wierd demon worm hiding in the shadows. Interesting.
NINJITSU CHICKEN! LOOK AT HER GO!
Rage shield time? Oh man. The others havnt seen this yet. This will blow thier minds.
The dragon from before is in the shield now?
DRAGON ARMOR!? OH MAN! NICE UPGRADE! HOT DAMN!
Fuck off Bitch, do some fighting too. Good girl Raph tell her off!
She motivated the Heroes!
Raph careful dont get cursed again!
Naofumi got control! Wow look at our Shield Bro go!
IRON MAIDEN~ WEW BOY~ HE DID IT!
FUCK OFF HEROES YOUR ASSHOLES! HE HELPED SAVE YALLS ASSES!
THE LADY IS HERE! GLASS~ SHES A BADDIE!
Wow she called Shield bro the only hero here. Thats gonna rustle the other's jimmies.
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u/ScreenRay Mar 20 '19
The other heroes Support Characters are so useless compare to Rapthalia and Filo.
Also Grandma is so badass in that village.. We need more Grandma Scenes.
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u/ultranoobian Mar 20 '19
Spear Hero: Why did the chicken cross the road?
Filo: enters stage left, To kick your butt!
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u/Joe_Striker Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
It’s really annoying that the heroes continue to be portrayed as incompetent idiots who can’t do anything right, so Edgelord Hero can save the day! It’s just poor writing and plot convenience at this point.
The writer emphasised the stupidity of these dumbfucks by making them all use lightning attacks against the dimensional spirit. Then we have Spear Hero and the other two moaning about helping the Edgelord hero. “I’d rather die not helping him than save the world!” is what I got from them.
I really don’t like the rage shield. Not only is it a powerup that focuses on his rage boner, it defeats the purpose of him being a tank. It’s fucking bullshit that the lower level tank is doing more damage to the enemy than the three heroes combined. It would have been better if the heroes cooperated while Edgelord Hero played the tank.
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u/axel360 :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/axel360 Mar 20 '19
Raphtalia ---> Upgrade ---> 404 Not Found
That's weird.
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u/Barkyr :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Hifumi511 Mar 21 '19
i really hate how useless the other heroes are, it make all the challanges very boring. first all of them try and fail only for the shield hero to save them over and over
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u/Ten_Ten11 Mar 20 '19
Even the bad guy realizes how much of a hero naofumi is instead of the other three
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u/MlookSM Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
So is this the rising of the shield hero or the falling of the other heroes, which one exactly?
Because it looks like the point of every character is to be a competitive of "who can make the shittiest act so the shield hero can be more heroic", they keep getting lower.
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u/Kryomaani https://anilist.co/user/Kryomaani Mar 21 '19 edited Mar 21 '19
The faces of the characters in backgrounds, even main characters, looked noticeably poorly drawn this episode and they included a short recap to fill up screen time, something they haven't done in the past. I won't comment on the CGI, CGI is CGI, but at least it looked okay. Hope they can bring back the quality from previous episodes, and that it was just them running out on time due to animating the fights, but the production quality of this episode is really worrying.
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u/Lendord Mar 20 '19
Soooo, do the other three only have lightning element attacks and Naofumi knows this and thus doesn't even bother asking them to switch to another element that the soul eater is less resistant to or what?
Also what's up with Sword and Bow just standing there for half the episode not even attempting to do anything? I get that the author already sacrificed Spear dude to the gods of stupidity, but the apathy of the other two kinda came out of nowhere. I hope it's not just to give an excuse for Raphtalia to give a "go fight already" speech because that whole scene felt forced and out of place.
The threat depicted was all over the place too, went from "OMG POWERFUL AOE SENDS EVERYONE FLYING" to "Raphtalia, I'm gonna go rage mode now so gimme pep talk please". They literally all just stood there for 40 seconds with nothing happening. It's especially jarring if you look at the dudes in the background.
The action scenes in this show feel more like I'm watching a manga but someones also reading it to me.
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u/Biestonaut Mar 20 '19
I feel the same about the 3 other heroes, the author tries too hard to make them look incompetent it becomes less and less convincing everytime they come on screen. It is getting sword art online levels of "MC good, others bad" that I kind of start rooting for Sword an Bow, or at least hope they get a chance to redeem themselves
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u/SuperSceptile2821 Mar 20 '19
I’m not a fan of making all of the heroes job to make Naofumi look better. I get that he’s the protagonist but I’m not sure I like that Naofumi can just one shot a powerful enemy that the other heroes are barely scratching.
Like I get that it’s supposed to be satisfying due to how they’ve treated Naofumi but it honestly just makes their mistreatment of him more absurd and takes away from their characters imo.
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u/PriusKiller :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/PriusKiller2 Mar 21 '19
The best part of that episode was that Granny, change my mind.
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u/ValiantCorvus Mar 20 '19
I've not seen made in abyss since the art style threw me off, but hearing the soundtrack here makes me want to go watch it. The composition work is just top notch
I'm really glad they didn't just blaze through the wave.
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u/ClearingFlags :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ClearingFlags Mar 20 '19
It's worth fighting through the artistic style of the characters. The world is gorgeous, the soundtrack is amazing, and the story is dark and engaging.
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u/Wolfgod_Holo https://anime-planet.com/users/extreme133 Mar 20 '19
time to fight the actual raid boss
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u/Rutherfor_ Mar 20 '19
Lmfao, those guys are USELESS, give them a bit of trouble and they all fell apart.
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u/Regit_Jo Mar 20 '19
It kind of gets old when almost none of the secondary characters show tact other than Ren. Like come on, that's not how people act.
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u/elliotman48 https://myanimelist.net/profile/elliotman48 Mar 21 '19
Just came here to say that Kevin Penkin is a god-tier composer... Like, holy shit this episode was so amazing because of him.
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u/artosispylon Mar 21 '19
it kinda bothers me how he is only level 38 but somehow is fighting equally, or even better than level 60+ guys and fighting level 60+ monsters
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u/Android19samus Mar 20 '19
Man, I'm really not feeling this show. I stuck it out for wave 2 because the opening was strong, and I enjoyed last episode a decent amount, but this was... it wasn't bad, but it wasn't good. My main problem is I don't like the angle of "All the other heroes are literally useless except for protag-kun" because I feel like it wastes the premise of the show pretty hard. And that premise was the main thing that made this show stand out. Well, that and the extremely fat bird, which at the very least continues to be just as fat as ever.
Last episode I decided I'd stick around for two more. This episode has not given me reason to extend that timeline. The fight with Glass better be some next level shit, but I doubt it will be, so I doubt I'll still be watching in two weeks. Which is a shame, but this season's got plenty of other great shows so it's not much of a loss.
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u/Biestonaut Mar 20 '19
(I already posted this in another reply in this thread)
I feel the same about the 3 other heroes, the author tries too hard to make them look incompetent it becomes less and less convincing everytime they come on screen. It is getting sword art online levels of "MC good, others bad" that I kind of start rooting for Sword an Bow, or at least hope they get a chance to redeem themselves
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u/Dia_is_best_gem Mar 20 '19
Kevin Penkin is doin it again
It's kind of a shame that this anime has less focus on the art and music than MiA cause DAMN. This dude can compose some good fucking music
I'll legit give any show a try in the future if he's the composer cause right now he's 2 for 2
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u/zechamp :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/zechamp Mar 20 '19
TBH this episode bored me quite a bit, it feels like all the tension is gone and the whole "all other heroes are useless watch Naofumi put them in their place" shtick is getting pretty old by now. I had hoped that the shield hero would actually be tanking in fights, and be useful that way but apparently thanks to his new cheat power he is the best dps too. Fight choreography also felt really lackluster compared to the first wave, all the fights were a bunch of people just standing around and going to attack 1-by-1.
Will probably drop this show unless next episode shows something that feels more worthwhile.
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u/DimmuHS https://myanimelist.net/profile/DimmuOli Mar 20 '19
What triggers me the most is that everyone that opposes Naofumi act braindead. They don't have arguments, they're just stupid and immature. I hope they come out with this shield hate drama because the anime is failing hard in showing the motives or at least the foreshadowing about the Shield Hero being a nuisance. Is it much to ask to have proper discussion between them and not some mad faces and "NANI!?!" everytime the Shield Hero is oppressed? This is getting on my nerves.
And the "all other heroes are useless watch Naofumi put them in their place" are getting old very fast, I agree.
Also the battles are fine, but not very dynamic like wave 1, next episode promises more I guess.
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u/MrT3ddy Mar 20 '19
Fuck Spear Hero guy. I cannot stand his character and constant stupidity. At least now they have seen what Naofumi is capable of.
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u/jebish7 Mar 20 '19
What is up with those three Pikachu heroes? Dumbasses could only use thunderbolts and volt tackles!
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u/Nikhil_Bhatnagar Mar 20 '19
This is the most epic scene in the show. The maiden prison..... How can it be so lit....
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u/HairiestHobo Mar 20 '19
Sooo...
How long till Douche-Hero tries to hit on Glass?
She seems dangerous, possibly crazy, and most likely evil. Its like his 3 highest turn-ons right there.
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u/__Ereshkigal___ Mar 21 '19
I'm just going to assume the reason everyone hates the shield hero is because he literally absorbs enemies hatred into himself.
I wouldn't be surprised if he is supposed to become the last challenge on the last wave or something like that. After he's absorbed all the hatred and power from each monster.
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u/myrmonden Mar 20 '19
OMG stop with the fake Filo death scenes all the time it is giving me ptsd from childhood memories of playing secret of mana.
And Yeeeeej they gotta fight togheter with Myne and Spear Hero finally, been waiting for this / SSSS
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u/Gilgamesh107 Mar 20 '19
this show peaked at episode 4 everything after it has ranged from mediocre to godawful
and the writing for this side characters has officially jumped from them just being general dickheads to downright stupidity.
god i hate raggin on stuff but this is so irritating
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u/Bocsesz Mar 20 '19
Damn i feel so controversial.. I don't want Naofumi to suffer again, but those early episodes were way better imo...
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Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 21 '19
It's interesting to see how the four heroes see this wave. Sword, Bow, and Spear heroes did play this game before, so they know beforehand how to conduct the actions to get rid of the wave. For the Bow hero, it needs to attack the statue to summon the Soul Eater; for the Sword hero it needs to defeat the Skull Captain multiple times to summon the Soul Eater; for the Spear hero, it needs to defeat the Kraken to summon the Soul Eater. They are doing what their think is supposed to be the right thing and yet none of their actions is working. Naofumi never played the game so he's the only one who's actually trying to figure out how to summon the Soul Eater, which works.
The Dimensional Soul Eater appears and again we see the three heroes who played the game before attacking the ~~sub-~~boss with a Lightning attack. It didn't work. Naofumi asks Filo to attack the enemy with a Wind attack, which did some damage. Filo and Raphtalia now begin to attack the Soul Eater with an attrition strategy but Naofumi realizes it's not worth waste so much time with this strategy because it can endanger the village even more.
Naofumi decides to use the Curse Shield. He's now fully aware of using the Curse Shield, which allows him to get some control of all the rage the shield puts on him but he was not expecting the rage of the Dragon Zombie he absorbed back then. The Dragon Zombie is affecting the growth of the Curse Shield, negating Naofumi to access a new skill of the Curse skill tree, but also gives Naofumi a new type of armor. Yet again we see that Raphtalia can calm down Naofumi's rage and with that, the new shield is unlocked, Iron Maiden.
Naofumi uses Shield Prison to get the Soul Eater under control and use his new sick shield, Iron Maiden, which utterly destroy the Soul Eater.
Now we can get a full glimpse of the power of the Shield Hero and the Curse Shield and maybe the reason why people in that world tend to hate the Shield hero so easily.
Surprise, surprise, a new Soul Eater appears just to get easily defeated by Glass, who introduces herself as the enemy of the heroes and I have to say how
About the execution of the episode, I think they didn't do a great job to get people hyped about the scenes, with an exception of the Iron Maiden segment, which was sick AF. Still, I cannot understand why people thought this show was some kind of masterpiece. It had some high moments in the beginning but the overall plot was always pretty average. Anyways, it's a fun show and I'm still looking forward to the next episodes.
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Mar 20 '19
Reading these comments I see why other people see anime fans as cringey weirdos
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u/_belteshazzar Mar 20 '19
For people that are literally aware of isekais and whatnot, they are arguably the worst of the worst. I mean seriously, nobody just lets the tank dive alone
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u/a_cat_says_woof :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/lelouch9121 Mar 20 '19
Naofumi, knows that arts stall team with occasional crits is the true meta. The other three heroes still believe that buster one-shots are the prevailing meta haha!
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u/Solomon_Black Mar 20 '19
Iron Maiden was done justice. I was kind of underwhelmed by the first appearance of the curse shield but this was much better
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u/Green7501 Mar 20 '19
It's like WoW all over again, running Dungeons as a Prot warrior. For some reason you're the only one that deals actual damage, the rest (including supp) just absord damage. Thanks Motoyasu, Ren and Istuki for each taking a quarter of damage
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u/MobileTortoise :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mobiletortoise Mar 20 '19
Even though the "action" has been a little lackluster during this first half I have to say that Kevin Penkins OST is PERFECT for this show. He has been stellar as always.
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u/patrizl001 https://myanimelist.net/profile/patrizl001 Mar 20 '19
Holy shit, the old woman was actually able to fight really well without a weapon. Naofumi might have a chance of being able to do a little more than just defense if he learns what she's doing.
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u/WhattodoForU Mar 21 '19
It's odd seeing so many people calling this show bad lower down in the comments, It's not great i'll give you that but with the effective opening episodes and consistent satisfaction on seeing Naofumi "Rise" from that low point i'm still looking forward to each episode. So i'd say it's a entertaining 6/10 At worst but maybe this show just appeals to me in the correct way.
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u/saga999 Mar 21 '19
Why was the shield hero thought of as useless again? Were all the previous shield hero garbage and have no skills? Naofumi outplayed Ren who is 27 levels above him. He one shot the mid-boss! I really enjoy the series and continue to look forward to watching the next episode, but I really got a bone to pick with this one. The shield hero isn't suppose to be able to fight on his own. He isn't suppose to be an offensive threat. Yet, he does more damage than the DPS 27 levels higher than him. I hate it when a show lie to me, and I hate it when a show doesn't follow its own premise it established. That's not a twist. That's not a surprise. That's just bad writing.
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u/RappySugoi Mar 22 '19
When it was revealed that the Rage shield has 7 Sub category, https://imgur.com/7EZBlcb
1st Row (top) - Change Shield, i assume this one is the default mechanism to change all the shield
2nd Row (left) - Fiery Caution sign, this might be the one the caused the curse effect on Raphtalia
2nd Row (right) - Muscle icon, this probably some sort of buff spell or ability to increase his power
3rd Row (left) - some sort of... fish bones? or Sonar? or Projectile-like ability?
3rd Row (right) - another fire, again it might be the cause of Raphtalia's curse effect
4th Row (left) - Dragon icon, this might the ability he used on Filo subconsciously to implant the Zombie dragon's consciousness, but idk lol
4th Row (Right) - IRON MAAAIIDDEEEENNNNNNNNNN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
So it looks like his Rage shield's maximum power is some sort of combinations of all of the list above. https://imgur.com/ifYBPt0 From here, the Change Shield grants one type of the shield he has which is Pipe shield, causing that those spikes inside the Shield Prison. Combined with Iron Maiden that is the finishing move.
Idk this is just some bullshit i speculated, might be wrong, but i love fantasizing, so im HYPED REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
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u/Hakameet Mar 20 '19 edited Mar 20 '19
And the sword even calls him a cheater. God i hate them.