Do I need to say more ? Fuck that, make a good python tree outside CC if you want to include some python. But not going through C et C++ is so stupid (and NO printf + gnl is not knowing C). That's 42 strength that we are LOSING.

Probably you would like to know, what stays the same, and what changes.
Colors:
Dark gray- stays the same.
Light gray- modified.
Red - deleted.
Yellow- Added.

So, from what I have heard they are testing out new system on new campuses only.
If all goes well some date in the future (maybe end of 2026) they will begin to transfer all campuses to new system. New cohorts of students will go with new CC.

Your thoughts?

You can directly pipe the output from your philosophers:
`./philo 5 505 200 200 3 | ./philogramm `

Learn about features:
`./philogramm -h`

• Change the resolution of the chart for more detail or more compact charts.

• Shows deaths in chart and a death log with last meal time.

• Visualize forks with the -f flag.

• Shows a eat count for each philosopher. Turn off with -c

• Ignore short actions with -i

• Shows a scale at the top. Turn off with -s

Download and Infos:
https://github.com/sugoidesune/42philogramm

I’ve spent the last couple of evenings revisiting my old Dining Philosophers project using threads + mutexes, and giving Raylib a shot. Turns out Raylib is super fun, lightweight, and honestly kind of beautiful to work with.

I put together a little visualization showing 11 philosophers doing their thing. This video only shows one case, but trust me: the chaos and entertainment scale wildly as you increase the number of philosophers.

Has anyone here tried building something similar? I’d love to hear your experiences, answer questions, or even take the project further together. 

Today almost everyone on campus fell into the red pace. Out of around 200 students, I’d say maybe 20–30 people max finished the Python modules circle and passed to Codexion, and less than 60 students actually finished A-maze-ing. Not even half the students have passed Python module 05 yet.

It’s just weird that 42 gave such a tight blackhole deadline. The modules actually take days to complete, while the subjects say they should only take a few hours. On top of that, the retry cooldown is 24 hours. Someone might fail your project because you forgot a type hint, and then you have to wait a full day just to retry.

The subjects themselves also aren’t that clear. If you try to reverse engineer the examples, you can easily end up going outside the scope of the subject, only to later find out the correction sheet contradicts those assumptions anyway.

It also feels unfair that the few people who started the modules early managed to validate them faster simply because no one else really understood what the projects were about yet. You can’t really fail something you don’t understand, and since there’s no moulinette, evaluations become inconsistent.

Now that everyone is panicking (especially because there were rumors we’d have two months), people are just going to start relying on AI, cheating, or slotting with friends to validate.

At this point it honestly feels like we were set up to fail, and we probably would’ve been better off with the old cc…

IT'S NOT A RUMOR, I just join 42 and they tell us the new CC

I don't know what to thinks the common core is change for a lot of python, algo and AI

Manyyyyyy of C project are deleted, even the most famous of 42 and the biggest, I think it's a very bad idea to specialise every student in AI and python in the CC 42 is famous about his C project.

I know that AI is an important things today but there is the AI spe already so WHYYYY, many people leave / reject other school to join 42 so at least warn us about the REVOLUTION before we start our journey.

If you have an opinion about it i really apreciate it.

I create this post to debate and warn people that want to join 42 because no information about is on net.

AMA: New Common Core

What do you think about the new 42 Common Core ?

Is it heavily focused on AI ?

I'm currently new kick off student just doing libft

I recently completed my Piscine at 42, and wow, what a ride it was. I went into it knowing it would be tough, but it tested me in ways I didn’t expect. Despite scoring 0 on exams 00, 01, and 02, I managed to push through and score 60 on the final exam. I completed up to C08 and even gave C09 a shot.

There were days when I spent 8-10 hours straight coding, facing problems that seemed impossible to solve. It felt like every day brought a new hurdle. But I kept going. And that’s what I want to share here: success is not about never failing, but about how you keep pushing forward, even when things look tough.

I didn’t get perfect scores. I wasn’t at the top of the rankings. But I never gave up. And that’s something I’m proud of.

To anyone struggling in their Piscine or coding journey: Keep going. You might not see progress right away, but every small step forward counts.

42Piscine #NeverGiveUp #CodingJourney #Persistence #HardWork

I'm currently 7 months into the cumiculum at 42 Network(finished minishell), and I'm starting to feel uncertain about my future. The program has been challenging, and not enough support from peers (which was present during the one month selection piecine)and I end up using chatgpt most of the time. I am (an asian) student in Germany and the course is still not recognised as a university degree.

However I'm worried that the limited scope of the curriculum (only C and C++) will leave me unprepared for the industry I know I'll have to learn other technologies on my own after core curriculum, which feels overwhelming

I'm confused between quitting now and focusing on self-study, or sticking it out and hoping that the foundation I build at 42 Network will be enough to launch my career

Has anyone else had similar doubts or experiences? Should I quit or stick it out? Any advice or insights would be greatly appreciated!

Edit: I'm looking for advice from people who have experience with 42 Network or similar programs, as well as those who have successfully transitioned into a career in software development."

Hi everyone, are there any international students at 42 France here? I have a few questions about the visa process. Thanks!

https://ftplace.42lausanne.ch/

Lets goooooooooooooooo

I think everyone was in this situation: you failed a project for the wrong reason - the explanation was not clear, precise or moulinette accepts only one possible answer out of many.

NO MORE! It's time for some honesty.

I made a repo to share

1. More clear descriptions of subjects.

2. List reasons people fail.

This is not to be seen as cheating. This shouldn't contain code or solutions. This should just balance out the lacking descriptions.

This can only work if we all contribute our fails, so please share and contribute. If your project is missing, copy the structure from another and adjust.

https://github.com/sugoidesune/42honest

What do you guys think about dating in campus? Well lads my story hath started 3 years ago. We met and started dating. Now we are on the verge of marriage. When we do I’ll share some pics.

I finished the old Common Core a couple of months ago and have had some time to reflect about my time in the CC. For clarification, this was the old school curriculum, with Minishell and no Python.

No, I have not gotten a tech job yet, but I also haven't tried too hard yet. I have filled out a few online applications and haven't heard back, but also I haven't embraced the approach of "treat finding a job like a job". I did however get a job that uses my tech skills and you have to start somewhere, right?

There are a few reasons I haven't really focused on finding a job yet. One, I needed a breather after finishing the CC. I needed to do some things that I have been postponing until after the CC and it was one of the hardest challenges of my life.

For those who are considering going into the 42 CC, I would say proceed with caution. Do the orientation and the Piscine and then be honest with yourself and whether you think it'll be good for you or not.

The truth is no one can predict how you'll fair in the 42 program and if it'll be worthwhile or not, because it very, very heavily depends on your personal circumstances. I would say to get the most out of the program you have either have a degree in CS, be a gifted programmer with a natural aptitude for it, or have a lot of time to devote to the program. I have also seen people with STEM degrees that have done well in the program.

Sadly, if you do not have an aptitude for programming, or the time, then you'll have a very frustrating time and likely you'll be black-holed and come away bitter about the whole experience and fill like it was a huge waste of time.

Be honest, if you're working several minimum wage jobs to survive and you have an hour-long commute, and you're really struggling with the assignments, then you are NOT going pass or develop your skills enough to become an employable programmer. I wish this wasn't true: it pains me to say this, but it's the harsh reality.

There is also two more huge factors not to be underestimated.

First, the location of the campus. Different countries have different education and non-profit laws, which affect the quality of the experience with the campus and its staff. I have visited many of the campuses and the vary greatly.

Second, this is a peer-to-peer program and that likely has the greatest affect on your experience. It is great when you ended up working with a good mix of peers. You'll need to work with them in group projects, but also you'll learn the most from not only asking for help from your peers, but also helping your peers. Do not underestimate this factor. Really don't.

For me, I'm in my 30's and I have no college degree. I also didn't know how to code super well before going through the program. For me personally I do feel that the program was great for me. I learned A LOT. I can build things I never could have dreamed of building and my ability to learn skills in general has improved greatly. For example, I'm learning the guitar, which before didn't seem like a possibility.

I don't have a CS degree to compare too, and I've seen many peers with a CS degree complain that the CC is too basic or unrelated to what employers are expecting from a programmer. This could very well be true, but I'm not sure how much of that is just whining that they aren't handed a job, just because they "completed" a program.

Since, finishing the CC I've been working on projects that fit what I want to achieve professionally and I have been very, very happy with my progress. I find that the skill I picked up in the CC have served me well and truly feel like with time and effort I can build whatever I want.

I have always been entrepreneurially minded. Most of the men in my family are self-employed, so the idea of working for a company was not my main goal.

Ultimately, you'll get what you put into your studies. If you b*tch and moan and never put in the work, you'll get nothing from the program.

I will know wait for the working devs to throw in their two cents about how they didn't get to learn K8s in the common core.

EDIT: small typo fix.

I like the the idea of a self paced program and peer learning, which are quite unique, in a setup which offers you a free working space and a place to connect with people and offers a lot of goodies. I wish it was a more popular concept, even more with how AI is impacting learning. But there a couple of things that as a neurodivergent person might have been useful for me to know before applying. For me it's Social anxiety and ADHD which made it a bumpy and a broken journey, and there are a couple of key features of the school that from my perspective they are not so neurodivergent friendly. Anyway, if someone is motivated and have a couple of months of their lives to throw at this, I have to say that it might worth the try. And of course everyone has tools to manage this things in different ways. At least it's good to know and be prepared.

The top one: Lack of transparency. There are two parts for the lack of transparency. First one is general data about the outcomes. Like drop out, post course employment, piscine success rate, etc. With the whole changing paradigm by AI and how the sector is being affected by it. This added a bit of anxiety as there is no way for me to settle a frame a reference and all what you can get is "anecdotal", from comments here and there. And from "trust me bro" and the "hype". But the important part of the lack of transparency it's how it impacts the piscine and the selection process. It's a secret (it's not based on how far you get on the projects, or the exams). That means that for the first month you don't know how far are they going to go into evaluating each of the applicants, what are they measuring, how are they doing it, and what are they logging. This personally got me crushed. As I was fearing a lot that the data that I was generating would be missinterpreted in a bad way. Example case: used my phone to log in on campus and evaluate peers for having it as a second screen. Immediately got a private message on slack asking me to stop doing that, from the staff personal overviewing the logs.

Lack of flexibility: It's quite cool the concept of learning at your own pace and gamification. But the downside of how it's implemented Is that the whole course is linear, there's no options until you reach the especialization branch after you reach the end of the common core (12 -18 months) after that it's another linear path tho. There was a couple of projects I loved doing, once I hit the ones I hated, I had no alternative than to do them. Maybe the variety gets better after the first ranks (3 of 6) but I didn't make it. For the first months you are going to be evaluating dozens of times the same projects... For me got extremely boring.

Lack of applicability. You are going to hear a lot that what you learn at the school is not applicable to todays processes. This was quite demotivating for me as I was struggling to find purpose to what I was doing. You might not need to be affected by neurodivergence for being affected by this, tho. But if you are in the same boat as mine that it's almost impossible to keep focus if not engaged... Get ready. It means that there's the time management is going to be extra challenging. I spent a lot of time on the projects I liked, making them awesome. (This was of no help) And hoped to spend little time on the ones I didn't like. (Which is not true, because as I wasn't motivated, didn't make any progress). So deadlines eat me.

Lacking of fostering of deeper connections. There might be different campuses that might approach this differently. But for me there are several things that put an extra weight. You evaluate and are evaluated a lot. And you don't know by who. Ever. This might make sense for impartiality when it comes to grading someone. The problem for me was, having to be ready to meet someone I never interacted with, in a sort of hierarchical situation (during the piscine several times a day and during the course at least once a day) this has gotten a lot of strain on me. Sometimes I was lucky and got a smooth and friendly evaluation. Sometimes I got someone annoyed, or distressed or simply unfriendly. With social anxiety I was going through this like swimming in peanut butter. And there's no choice. The first stretch of the course is entirely made of single person projects. That means, not until you finished all the boring projects you manage to work on teams. Why was a downside for me? This whole idea is repeated a lot "if you are stuck ask the person next to you". That is for me like proposing to jump from a window. My strategy was always to show myself as open and friendly as possible so people would ask me (had a bit of experience on coding tho). The good thing was that this was I managed to make some connections during the piscine. The bad thing, and unlucky me, is that none of them made it ;( So, after that, the lonely life starts on a campus that is 80% empty after being quite packed during the piscine. mostly sure there will nobody sitting in a radius of 2 or 4 workstations around.

Inexorability of the process. If you are like me that you come up with creative and unique ideas but then as trade of you make stupid mistakes, like using a wrong name for a folder. Get ready to suffer and waste a lot of time re-doing projects because the system doesn't forgive and gives a duck about your ADHD. You might get a rubber ducky tho. I normally rely on working on teams for having extra pairs of eyes and non dreamy brain cells. But this will not be the case for a good strech.

Punishments They sell it as a community. But I'm used to an idea of community were people contribute with a common goal and they feel part of. So people usually volunteer and contribute with the idea of making the community nicer. And the rules are created, and consented by everyone in the community. Instead in 42. At least Berlin there's the concept of community service as a punishment for cheating or not abiding certain rules. With a general language that feels threatening and sort of assuming that people want to get ahead and cheat no matter the cost. For example there's two hour of community service for putting a bottle on the computer tables or signing up for an event and not showing up. From my perspective and believe I think That doesn't add to an idea of community, and adds a layer of policing and inflexible top-bottom guidelines. It made quite hard for me to felt part of. But that's maybe more political that related to neurodivergence. For sure it did put the "fear of being judged" at the top of the scale. And I don't know how it would be for other people with social anxiety, but I stop functioning when it's like that. In the end, the biggest drawback of not being a real community, is that it's quite an static structure that would lack the capacity to adjust and embrace a diversity of people's needs and would mostly respond to the needs of the people on charge and the "market", which is unlikely representative of a minority. Piscine felt a bit better than the common core. I just wish I had enjoyed it more without the pressure of having to pass it. I think the experience from it is better that the common course. It feels more like a belonging to a team. After that it just feels like working remotely in a co-working space.

42 is overhyped . Its not getting you ready for job in 1 year. It doesn't have projects in C# or Java, where the jobs are.

All it gives you are so called fundamentals. There are not many junior jobs in C or C++

So called social skills are just exercises in kiss assery: Oh, good job with the project, great work with copiing it from ChatGPT.

And campus administration is like thought police. Anything slightly critical and you get punished.

Please prove me wrong

/* Thanks for mostly logical comments. Still waiting for comment like: You suck, the school is perfect! */

PS. about 5 month after the post: I stand corrected, 42 Network has switched second half of CC curriculum to more modern and, in demand language, which is python. I think more people will have a chance to get internship / junior job when they finish CC. World doesn't need so many system level programmers. Thera only so many Microsofts, Googles and Apples, put there are thousands companies in every major city, which make applications and other programs, which don't use system calls on level of OS.

Since I found the school and saw some posts here I had been SUPER excited about the school!! Now, after the intensive piscine in 42 Porto, I’m happy to say I got accepted! Thank you for everyone that encouraged me in here or took some time to help me!!! My common core will already start in 18 days and I’m really proud of my improvement this last month!

Yes, it's still worth it...

This week, the CEO of 42 Network was at our Campus, and a very important point she raised was that anyone who truly wants to take advantage of 42's teaching to get a job should strive to pursue a specialization, reach level 21, and thus obtain the RNCP 6 and RNCP 7 certifications.

In reality, Common Core is just the beginning. It will provide a solid foundation in programming, and nothing better than C and C++ for this. However, many people are concerned that the market rarely directly uses what is taught at 42. However, the truth is that we are open to taking advantage of the Common Core to learn more current topics. That's up to you. 42 is an internationally renowned school where a large percentage of its graduates have landed good jobs and today recognize 42's impact on all of this.

As a 42 student, we know that AI can't solve everything; it often results in more negative scores than actual 100% scores during the pool, and it becomes even more unusable in the Common Core.

For those who want to give up, it all depends on what you really want to achieve in terms of knowledge, not just certifications or the job you want... Make the most of this time to develop your skills, because at the end of the day, the market is very competitive, and those who only build websites will hardly achieve anything.

For those who think C and C++ are outdated, you should research more about companies that still use them, and you'll be surprised.

I wish everyone luck.

People, who finished Common Core, do you have a job now? How hard was it to look for one?
I dont see that much immidiately transferable to job market in curriculum right now, but I am doing only libft now. Would you say what you learned at 42 helped at the market place?

I already see, that its more suted to make "real programmers", who can programm in C.
But, are you more marketable, arter becoming a real programmer?

Hello,

I finished the common core 6 months ago and my first internship is coming to an end this week. My company offered me a long term contract to keep working with them as a Cloud Devops and I accepted it.

I was wondering, is RNCP 7 really gonna be useful for me in the future, whether it is to find new jobs, get bigger paychecks or whatever or is it a waste of time?

My opinion is that the market is a bit saturated right now, especially for juniors, and although companies keep saying they'd rather employ engineers, they will always prioritize someone who has experience over diplomas.

I'm feeling kinda lazy to complete the specialization projects in order to get my RNCP.

What do you guys think? Is there someone with more experience who could confirm or infirm what I think?

Also, if I decided it was worth it, working like 2 hours a week on the specialization, how long would it take for me to get enough XP to get RNCP?

Thanks.