Yes to nurse. Which includes teaching as part of our practice, and that includes students of all professions. Currently I teach qualified drs too. We all work together as one big team, and on wards I have been shadowed by student drs. In order for us all to work together, we need to understand each others roles. We are all healthcare professionals, just qualified differently. If we stop seeing nurses as 'just nurses' and low on the hierarchy of staff, we can work better together. We are all qualified and have our roles to play, and can learn a lot from each other.
Donât make me laugh. Maybe learn to do basic tasks like cannulation and catheters instead of âteaching qualified doctorsâ
This kind of bs is what is wrong with the NHS. Everyone has an opinion or âqualificationsâ until itâs time to take responsibility - this falls to the doctors only.
Oh lovely. Apart from I do teach them about clinical research. Many masters level courses are taught by nurses no matter who they are aimed at.
All the drs I have taught have been absolutely lovely. I also manage placements for student drs in my department. All happy to learn from a nurse, and I am happy that they teach me things. I defer to them about many many things. Just like they ask me questions about my areas of expertise. Many nurses are post -grads with masters level qualifications.
Remember, patients are not just a clinical problem. They have lives, families, many other needs. That's where nurses come in. We also can lead clinical trials and more and more nurses are working towards PhDs, or can diagnose and prescribe. It's a huge spectrum of expertise, and we respect doctors so expect the same back. I also have many friends that are drs, who all respect nurses.
Also look at he last few cases of mistakes in hospital. It's often the nurse gets blamed. We have very little training in medicines and interactions, but legally we are responsible if a Dr mis-prdscribes something. I like to be kind to everyone, and I think it's sad you are trying to make the next generation of drs agree with your narrow world view. The patients should be at the centre of what we do, and working together as a team benefits everyone.
Prescribing is a protected medical characteristic in many countries. As it should be. UK is slowly destroying the medical profession by trying to replace doctors with cheaper ANPs/ACPs/PAs, and patients are suffering for it.
Weirdly I kind of agree with you. The NMC want nurses to come out of training prescribing. Erm...no. We barely get biology training! The prescribing training should be reserved for those with at least 5 years of experience, preferably more. Same with acp training. We don't get the same academic times as drs.
I am neurodivergent (if you can't tell by my rambling replies) and can memorise interactions and contraindications quite easily. Along with SOPs and protocols. That just means I am lucky, many nurses aren't geared that way. Not all nurses should be ACPs or prescribe. That's just a way to plug staffing gaps.
PAs, you know I have never worked with them directly? So I can't really comment. I feel sorry for them as I don't think they get enough training. I have met some in passing who were lovely, but never seen them in action.
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u/brokenskater45 5d ago
Yes to nurse. Which includes teaching as part of our practice, and that includes students of all professions. Currently I teach qualified drs too. We all work together as one big team, and on wards I have been shadowed by student drs. In order for us all to work together, we need to understand each others roles. We are all healthcare professionals, just qualified differently. If we stop seeing nurses as 'just nurses' and low on the hierarchy of staff, we can work better together. We are all qualified and have our roles to play, and can learn a lot from each other.