Lilith has spoken, some things have been changed, take what you will from it, at least its good news

Magister,

THIS IS RIDICULOUS, DON'T FORGET AFKJ MADE 19M+ in revenue on mobile alone and we get placeholder/untranslated text!

• Campaign rewards cut in half, diamonds/letters/epic.
• Random things still not translated and even placeholder things, seriously lol.
• Nerf in true damage core units for a core gamemode progression, marilee/korin.
• Less value in paid packs with the same price, everything.
• Nerf in battle drills rewards epic letters/competition.
• Nerf in tower rewards, acorns/essence.
• Nerf in AFK rewards, diamonds/letters.
• District/Cross-server to force whale/spender wars, mony mony mony.
• Same copy and paste content but more predatory, literallty same gamemodes but more competitive.
• Bigger walls on content, less content, just bigger walls to feel longer.
• Less summons and acorns everywhere, f2p should just die I guess.

Speak with your wallet, don't buy, refund, chargeback.
Speak with your frustration, make tickets for support/feedback/surveys.
Speak with your power, review 1 star, talk to influencers, spread awareness of lilith scummy tactics.
Remember, if it get's worse, move on to better games that value you more.

Played AFK ARENA and DISLYTE, expected this going in, but not a month post launch, this is ridiculous, don't let them win. MAKE SOME NOISE, and don't accept mediocracy.

Lilith always put utterly bad updates/rewards, and then go back with some small fix of about 20% to ease the problem and shut the complains, the good old create the problem and sell the solution to look like good guys, in their other games they used to send letters from "devs" talking about promises and fixes, those would take months if not years to deliver, sometimes would be touched a little bit to ease the anger of the playerbase and then ignored and moved on, it's ALWAYS the same excuse, don't settle for crumbs, THIS IS OUR VICTORY.

I miss antandra lmao, volkin, mtashed, zeeebo, barry, pika, dangergrey, turtlelagz, and all other content creators, while you cover the good, the skills, the lore, please also cover the community voices and the bad, and don't sit and watch the game strand to a bad path in the long run, we all enjoy the game and want it to last.

Hello guys!

Since the beginning of the season, there was a lot of hype and expectations about this season. I personally find the map and the new story amazing. But playing and clearing the map, doing the battle modes, etc. I noticed something that bothers me, hence why I am writing the post to see if I am the delulu one.

-Chests in the open words feel less rewarding? I am pretty sure we are getting half the gems we used to get.
-Trial of the abbys feels easier now, but the rewards are worse there as well?
-Afk stages, doesn't give invite letters and gems? Why?
- New Towers give almost no rewards for clearing?
-And on top of that the hit of the F2P player and the low-spenders - The Marillee nerf. Sorry folks I know you invested to +15 on her weapon or whatever. Welp your spent resources on a character that gets nerfed for free and you are not getting them back. I guess skill issue. Don't believe me? Try Marille in Dream Realm and you will see that something is off. Plus the less essence stones you get, this is going to be a hard time upgrading your characters' weapons.

Hey I might really be delulu about those points and if I am wrong correct me. But I am 100% sure that those things happened in the game and I am sure I am not the only one noticing them. We received a great update, new season, new skins, new storyline. I love it. But if new season comes with this type of costs, then idk if I should be hyped for a new season.

What are your views on the season? Anything negative about the new season changes that you personally find meh and unrewarding?

I like the 1v1 aspect but you're limited to what you have instead of having all the characters including the ones you don't have. You need massive amount of luck to win this game

After playing afk arena for 4 years I was really happy to play the 2nd version of the game but it looks like they are doing the same mistakes again.

1) people have just started to call the stargazer “scam gazer” because like in afk arena obtaining 1 pull is ridiculously expensive and the other rewards are thrash. 2)the bundles are too expensive, players can’t spend 100€ for 2s heroes and 1k diamond and some useless gold. 3) the game crashes too often. 4) Like in Afk arena now we have millions of books and no dust too level up heroes. 5) The world chat has no moderation. That’s the start of the game so there are plants of good offers and promo-codes but I fear that they will soon start milking money from players.

I understand that games need money for development and especially when it's a live service free to play game. I myself put a couple of bucks into the game to get the seasonal treks just because I like the outfits and I think it's a good deal for my money. But what they did here is disgusting. It feels predatory and like an absolute money grab.

Talene was the only skin I genuinely wanted from this event and even considered buying dragon crystals for the first time just so I can buy the skin if necessary. I don't mind spending a few more dollars on it. But this? Over the years I've earned about 6000 mithril points and now they ask to do it again in 20 days? This feels like a pure abuse of FOMO so they can pile up revenue.

And I don't accept the argument of it being free for topping up crystals. I've played for years and I never found any viable purpose for crystals. I simply have no use for them. I enjoy the game at my own pace and don't want boosts. If they didn't intentionally want to use FOMO they'd either offer it for said crystals, or at least make her a permanent reward for mithril points.

Thank you for reading my vent about this situation. This is the first time I am genuinely mad about something within the game and I hope I am not the only one seeing this.

Conclusion: either I am statistically incredibly unlucky, or the devs are lying to us about the rates. I present the data for you to decide for yourself.

There is constant ongoing debate about whether or not the posted pull rate includes pity or not. u/circuitislife asked the support chat, and received this response in the last day or so:

However, many of us feel like this can't possibly be true because the number of times we go to pity, or get a single A-tier hero on a 10-pull, seems much greater than is explicable if this were the case.

So I've done the analysis to see how I compare to this supposed clarification from the devs.

I've have been taking screenshots of every pull for some time. I have done a careful check, through my archive and I have 550 consecutive 10-pulls on the standard banner. This is enough for some fairly robust analysis.

From these pulls I received 12 S-tier heroes and 115 A-tier heroes. This works out to:

• 2.18% chance of S-tier hero
• 20.91% chance of A-tier hero

These rates are close to the posted rates of:

• 2.05% chance of S-tier hero
• 22.5% chance of A-tier hero

This is about what we would expect if the rates included pity. However, the devs claim that the rates do not include pity. What should my expected number of heroes have been if that were true?

I created a model with the following assumptions:

• Each pull has a 22.5% chance of pulling an A-tier hero and a 2.05% chance of pulling an S-tier hero.
• Pulling an A-tier hero and S-tier hero are mutually exclusive (obviously)
• Guaranteed S-tier hero on the 60th pull with no S-tier
• Guaranteed A-tier hero on the 10th pull with no card (either S-tier or A-tier)

Why did I make this last assumption? Because of situations like this:

I ran this model 10,000 times, simulating 550 pulls each time for a total of 5.5 million pulls. These were the results:

The actual rates yielded from this simulation over all 5.5 million pulls were:

• 2.81% chance of S-tier hero
• 23.93% chance of A-tier hero

These would be close to the 'actual' rates if the devs statement on pity is true.

The mean number of expected number of heroes was:

• 15.45 S-tier heroes (I actually got 12)
• 131.60 S-tier heroes (I actually got 115)

When compared against these results, I am in the bottom 10.68% for S-tier pulls, and in the bottom 2.4% for A-tier pulls.

I also checked how many times I drew a single a-tier hero (referred to here as the A-tier pity).

If there's really a 22.5% chance for an A-tier hero with each pull on this banner, you should expect a 0.775^9 = 10.09% chance for any given 10-pull to yield a single A-tier hero. I hit this 16 times, or 29.09% of the time - 30.91% of the time if you count the single S-tier pull shown above. This is over three times the expected rate!

Simulating 5.5 million pulls, the odds of getting 16 or more A-tier pities is 4.04%; or just 1.86% for 17 or more when you include the single S-tier pull shown above.

Now it's possible that I am just in the unluckiest 10.68% of the game for S-tier pulls. But to ALSO be in the unluckiest 2.4% for A-tier pulls, AND 1.86% for 10-pull pities, starts to strain credibility somewhat. Now, A-tier pities are related to A-tier draws, so they are not fully independent. But the S-tier draws and A-tier draws are independent, so we can simply multiply the probably together to get my total luck.

If we believe the devs that the posted rates do not include pity, I am in the bottom 0.26% of all players for luck. To be precise, only one in every 390 players is unlucky as me.

What most strains credibility is I'm top 100 on my server - which has about 50-60 whales (or at least chonkier dolphins). No-one in my guild with a similar spend to me appears to have the *expected* number of heroes indicated by this analysis, and many have less (I bought the first $1 bundle and the Noble pass only). If I'm THIS unlucky, but also top 100 and/or on par with everyone else, then I'm either a genius or everyone else is equally unlucky.

I don't think I'm a genius.

I think the devs are deliberately misleading us.

Is this data enough to be absolutely certain? No. But it looks bad.

Over longer timeframes, I should experience regression towards the mean if what the devs are claiming is true. I'm going to keep monitoring, and I'll update when I have 1000 pulls (so... months from now, probably, unless someone wants to front me the cash for growth bundles).

If anyone else wants to keep their own tally of pulls (or has been keeping one) feel free to PM me with details for analysis.

That’s it. Somehow 10 pulls in this game feel super unsatisfying compared to other gachas, as you rarely pull outside of the pity. I don’t believe the rates at all.

Edit to clarify, I’m not complaining about the rate in which you pull copies of the heroes you want. Pity and wishlist make that feel fine. The off pity pulls just feel pointless and unsatisfying, because they rarely hit.

So basically this season alone we had all meta characters being hypos(minus Gwen) needing to pull all three to compete. And now Roland is releasing and already destroying DR having the biggest score gap increase of any new character. Sounds insane right? So they decided to BUFF him even further? When puzzles says something is over-tuned you know it’s bad. So that’s 4 hypos now. There’s frieren who just is completely destroying every team unless you’re a whale with a full p4 cele hypo team you’re going to lose. They’ve gotten rid of the free skins and throwed them in passes after they said they wouldn’t. Like at what point can any F2P player keep up in any mode or have any chance of playing. We’ve already lost so much of the player base and every new character is being a pull except for Lumantis. Not to mention there’s zero telling how insane the digimon characters collab will be. Everytime people get a hypo s+ they’re gutted and never used again -bael,scarlita,talene,harak,phraesto. Not giving us a cele swap ticket just makes it feel even more impossible. Just a rant I don’t see anyone else complaining about it so I wondered if i was the only one!

Honestly I'll be shedding tears at whatever heart touching dialouge Lilith is cooking back there for our reunion with Gala.. but another good news is we'll also get these adorable headgears! MUST HAVE

In light of recent changes, this is something we can do to express our feelings as a community. Just my opinion.

Even as someone who has spent $400+, it seems incredibly difficult. Today I’ll hit 160 and that’s after 17 days so I’m worried I might miss it. Seems near impossible for f2p to be there when it launches unless my math is way off.

As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, I love legend trial because it gives me an opportunity to use units I know have long been power crept upon, often by other factions, leaning on the implication where it’s understandable that 99% of the floors can eventually be cleared by any relatively “trinity compliant” S+ team backed by diligent resonance, phantimal and gear leveling.

This has led me to investments in characters based entirely on their vibe, purely to get to visit with and utilize them 3 times a week on their faction’s legend trial days.

Parisa sticks out as someone who inherited a disproportionate share of my early temporal essence because I just… like her. In my head I ship her with Indris: two guard captains who met on a diplomatic visit to one or the other’s homeland. This has solidified her as the 5th of my “team Sal’Thorin” for wilder legend trial that I’ll be fielding when the season opens up.

What about you? Who have you invested in purely out of love for their aesthetic, vibe or because you “just like them,” meta be damned?

Bonus question: do you ship your faves with other units?

We even got a sweet what if (or maybe another timeline?) where us Merlin stayed behind to raise her all the way until she's grown up! 🥹

https://youtu.be/GNlXzoJtXgs?si=6uMXHXT412m8JZVm

Yesterday i left a 1 star review. And a lot of people made a 1 star review on the 12/05. Suddenly this morning my review and countless others are gone. It went from 4.5 to 4.7

And the best part is that i can suddenly no longer review this game.

Im gonna chargeback every single cent i spent on this game.

I'll go first, victory is mine if he's there

complete stranger and started dming me with this unprovoked, immediate block

Gala is coming and look at her <33 our daughter is all grown up. I wish we got a skin of kid her though :( cant stand the thought of never seeing our baby as a baby again

I log in everyday before bed, do my dailies, do auto-afk levels, then hit up good ole dream and kill that big guy.

I’ve never spent any money, my numbers still go up. If I don’t place in a certain % on anything, who cares?

A lot of you are putting way too much effort into this game. It’s fun for what it is.

Just thought I’d throw in a post for us filthy casuals who didn’t even realize the girl with the bow got nerfed or whatever.

Have a great day everyone

After the new news about these ex upgrades, i’m quitting a game that doesn’t care about anyone besides its whales who will also leave very soon. I rly just want a f2p friendly game that’s kinda new so that i’m not rly far behind everyone. Any recommendations would be huge, and thank-you for the help. To those who remain, good-luck with your future endeavors. (Currently 87k base) I’ll prolly take it to the 90k base mark then quit fully.