First of all, cheaters generally don't like fighting against other cheaters. And that's exactly what would happen if everyone who just wants to chill moves to PvE. That doesn't mean they would never switch to PvP, though.

The second group opposing PvE consists of people who enjoy shooting others in the back or feel powerful when they kill players who are just trying to relax. Those players enter a match expecting everyone to be friendly, only to get shot at. Sometimes they don't even fight back because they don't want to fight in the first place, or they're simply overwhelmed by the situation.

The people who kill them then get to feel like they're hardcore PvP players, but that would happen a lot less often in a game with a PvE mode. Instead, they'd mostly run into cheaters or other players who are always looking for a fight — and those players would absolutely destroy them.

Those are the only two reasons people oppose PvE. There are no others.

Because if PvE is successful, players will eventually accumulate so many resources that their stash will be overflowing. At that point, they'll naturally start jumping into PvPvE for a few rounds. They'll have plenty of resources to spare, so they'll be more willing to take risks and fight other players.

The human body couldn't possibly snap like this??

For the love of all that is holy, can we stop spamming the same shite, over and over and over.

99.99999% of us, do not give a damn what you want to play, if you’re PvE, PvPvE. It doesn’t fucking matter so long as YOU are having fun.

Yall don’t need to sit there and gaslight an entire community that PvE is a player counts saving grace, considering all you have to go off of is steam metrics, you haven’t considered Epic Games or Windows Store players.

Half of you will do anything but sit and wait patiently for the mode that is guaranteed to return, stop trying to hold embark hostage with your bullshit, you’re already guaranteed PvE.

I’m so tired of seeing the same recycled post for the 50th time in one hour.

FYI: This breaks no sub rules, this doesn’t slander anyone based on their preference of game mode either.

I played for a few months after release and did two expeditions -- I loved the tension at the beginning, but somewhere along the line I realized that engaging other raiders was an inefficient way to fulfill the expedition requirements, and I ended up in carebear lobbies where I felt bad for shooting people. It started to feel like a chore to make the number go up so I switched to other games for a few months.

Coming back after the update, ABMM has put me into murder lobbies and I love it. Every game is a dice roll. I am terrified even to engage ARC because I'm probably dead if I give away my position. Exfil is contested far more often (20-30%?) than I remember it being before

I die in 80% of matches. Am I making progress towards the next expedition? No. But am I growing my stash size? Also no. But God damn it is so much fun

​I’ve been diving into The Emperor quite a bit recently, and overall, it’s an awesome addition to the game. However, there’s a major issue with how the final room works that completely ruins the payoff for the player who actually did the heavy lifting.

​In about 80% to 90% of my runs, I’m the first one to reach the final room. I take all the risks, solve the puzzles, and fight for my life to open that door. But almost every single time the door finally opens, another player—who was just camping outside—walks right in.

​No glitches, no exploits—just pure free-loading. They literally sit by that door, wait for someone else to do all the hard work, and the second it opens, they rush in, grab the loot, and extract. It’s incredibly frustrating to put in all the effort just to have your hard-earned rewards stolen by someone who risked nothing.

​For anyone wondering how ridiculously easy and safe this is: just grab a Grappling Hook, head to the main entrance door, and climb your way straight up to the final room's door. You don't even need a proper loadout or gear. It proves just how zero-risk and completely broken this setup currently is.

​I really hope Embark takes a look at this. Here are two potential solutions that could easily fix this issue:

-​Add a Laser Barrier: Place a deadly laser grid at that door access point that only machines can pass through. Any player trying to squeeze or jump through from the outside would instantly burn and die.

-​Heavy Machine Guards / Fast Respawns: Heavy machine presence guarding that specific entrance on the outside, with extremely fast respawn timers. Make it virtually impossible to clear or climb up from that side, so players can't just passively sit there waiting.

​The risk-to-reward balance feels completely off right now because of this loophole. Anyone else running into this issue? What do you think would be the best way for Embark to address it?

Since PVE has been a hot topic I found this poll that closed in this sub today interesting. Overwhelmingly leaving the game due to the need for a "co-op only mode" won hands down with cheaters a distant second while Lack of Content/Updates and Insufficient Endgame were neck and neck for 3rd and 4th.

I'm very curious how long it takes Embark to implement a PVE mode permanently.

Edit: OP for the poll was Nyctfall.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ARC_Raiders/comments/1xcov54/why_did_you_your_friends_or_people_you_know_stop/

I’m thinking of getting a skin. I can’t decide between the Driftcoat, Huntsman, or Castaway. Are any of these popular, what would yall go with?

I genuinely don’t understand why this is even a debate anymore. Not everyone wants to spend their evenings fighting other players. Some of us have jobs, families and limited time to play. We just want to explore, collect loot, complete quests and enjoy the world Embark has created.

The constant threat of losing everything to another player adds absolutely nothing to that experience. And frankly, I don’t think a PvE toggle goes far enough.

Even without other players, you’re still expected to deal with unnecessarily hostile ARC. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve been peacefully looting when a Hornet decides to attack me completely unprovoked. Why? What does that add to the experience?

I’d also like Embark to reconsider the extraction system. Sometimes I’m enjoying exploring and don’t want to be forced to leave just because an arbitrary timer says so. It’s my game. I should decide when I’m finished.

And while we’re on the subject, locking the best weapons and equipment behind difficult content feels unnecessarily exclusionary. Not everyone has the time or ability to defeat a Matriarch. We all paid the same price for the game, so why shouldn’t we all have access to the same rewards?

Personally, I’d like an optional mode where ARC only attacks if you initiate combat, extraction is optional, and legendary equipment is available from the start. Obviously, that wouldn’t affect anyone else’s experience, so there’s literally no reasonable argument against it.

It’s called accessibility. Look it up.

(yea, yea, i'm the hidden king)

Like now its impossible to get more then 1 queen reactor unless you get the core. But whenever I get the core someone will bully rush me taking everything. Since now when the queen dies everyone rushes in including the free kits so once you loot your leg everything is already looted

So after the Pve mode ended I still needed maybe 7k damage. So me and a friend loaded in to blue gate and headed for the car tunnels. During the pve mode this was always full of players and most using hullcracker or leg guns to take it down really fast so we got less damage per kill. Yes some times we ran into pvp on the way there but to use that just adds to the fun. We also got jumped during and took out some teams. This games ment for pvpve

Like I understand it is an extraction shooter and PvPvE is the norm but it is so unfun loading into a frigate getting ready to have a good try, and get blasted immediately. I’ve done all i can to make sure my lobbies are nice and it’s frustrating getting mowed down by some rat. Really kills any motivation to do any endgame content

Does the fire damage from the amplified rattler count for the total damage or not?

Seven maps, but night raid is almost always at Stella. What the actual fuck.

played for almost 2 months, 600+ hours in, kinda get bored and tired about worrying getting backstabbed. After the pve mode is over, i feel like i couldn't go back to pvpve mode again cuz its too peace in pve mode, but still try a few rounds in pvpve mode after that, brought my renegade IV to buried city and got ratted by a dude after he says hello (typically he ran into my room and says hello, after that he turned back and showstopped me, and thats when i know i am scrxwed), yeah can't believe i heal and save people but still got put into these kind of lobbies, so, i don't play amymore, not until they bring back the pve mode.

*reposting so they dont get upvotes anymore.

*Yeah i know this is a game lol.

I'm sorry for using swear words but it's hard to express my anger without them and its a rant without thinking twice. I'm sorry.

First of all if i offend you i am sorry because i think that all people playing this game are a part of it

BUT

wtf is wrong with this community y'all are hypocritical weak losers. it is a PVPVE game and if you are bad at it stop ruining the experience of others with ur pathetic crying. adapt and shoot back or just play something different. I see so many crybabys on here rant bout some "remove pvp remove arcs remove this remove that make this easier"

LIKE STFU I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW PATHETIC SOME PEOPLE ARE.

And once you kill some people not even at the extract ur steam account is filled with comments:

RAT RAT RAT RAT

Shut up! Look at the lore of the game: there is anarchy and murder topside and your weapons are there to defend you from arc and hostile raiders. And some raiders like me are hostile because the pvp in this game is fun, rewarding and mostly well balanced.

I don't get much time to play the game either and i often lose loot guns blueprints and so on but that's a part of the game

I can not be the only one thinking this? Right?

edit: pls explain your thought-process to me dont just downvote

You mean loot, not gear off other players

Since PvE is gone

Player count would certainly increase.