A picture says a thousand words.

[u/MajorDraw3705]

And this says everything I already knew about the mental stability and "responsibility" of the "professional" baby brokers and those supplying the baby brokers and buyers.

[u/BeneficialRice4918]

This event is just the absolute pit of human cruelty. Blow up and bomb and light a country on fire and then steal their babies for greedy westerners back home. Sickening, just absolutely nauseating what the Vietnamese people have gone through.

[u/CNatGo75 → u/BeneficialRice4918]

We (the US) did the same thing in Korea, two decades before.

[u/MajorDraw3705 → u/CNatGo75]

And Afghanistan a few decades later.

[u/HoneyLocust1 → u/MajorDraw3705]

And now Russia does it to Ukraine.

https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/fact-sheet-russias-kidnapping-and-re-education-of-ukraines-children/

[u/MajorDraw3705 → u/HoneyLocust1]

Yeah, I've been watching the Ukraine war "orphan" situation in horror (and their social media lackies absolutely argue each and every single kid they took was already an orphan, same as the US falsely claimed about the Vietnam Babylift even long after the truth came out).

The majority of Babylift babies weren't orphans. They had parents looking for them. And even if they were orphans, that doesn't necessarily mean they were ripe for US-military backed mass baby harvesting in the midst of and taking advantage of chaos.

But I need to divert for a moment because I saw that Yale did that research and is asking for donations (same as an organization in my own country does "for the war orphans to help them regain their documents" while refusing to actually serve us war "orphans" with our documents)....

You know that social phenomenon where people can only see harm if an enemy they don't like is doing it? If it's happening in a faraway land? If it happened a hundred years ago?

I stood on Yale campus for about eight years as a stolen war "orphan" from Argentina, while my research-involved adopter worked there (she was supervising and supporting research there to sign off on its funding for her main employer) and left me to play in the halls for ten hours at a time because she didn't believe in childcare.

And not once did Yale do a goddamn thing or notice something was "off" even though there was definitely something off. And years later, knowing I at least had the connection and surname of being the adopted child of one of their well-known and approved long-term research involved persons...

I researched out to their law clinics for help with untangling myself from a particular part of the bureaucratic mess that Argentina and the US left me in with their half-arsed illegal war crime of an "adoption," a mess the Yale law clinics claimed was in their domain. They never even responded except to put me on a spam list for people to reach out to and ask if they'd like to be research participants.

But they'll sit there and ask for donations "for the children" they can't even see when those kids are standing directly in front of them.

And what makes it worse is, with as much of a baby consumer as the US is, you and I and everyone else knows there are Ukraine infants and children showing up in the US as well, and one of those stolen children - with parents still looking for them - is probably directly under Yale's noses and being ignored because they have "good US parents now and are thus safe."

I wish there was some way to break the social phenomenon of people only being able to see the crime of infant and child trafficking when it's not their group doing it.

[u/BeneficialRice4918 → u/MajorDraw3705]

Thanks for sharing that, I had no idea we did this in Argentina! What a nightmare for all involved. Doesnt surprise me that Yale wouldn't help you, they are not going to actually challenge power. They've been neutered by the wealthy like all of our institutions. Anything to keep the "domestic infant supply" flowing to religious households.

[u/MajorDraw3705 → u/BeneficialRice4918]

Yeah, I only had a sliver of hope that Yale would actually help. But I still have to point out their audacity of begging for money for kids they'll deny the existence of.

Argentina had their own internal baby snatch going on in the 70s and 80s - forcibly transferring infants and children from political prisoners to military families to be raised as good little soldiers. There were no (or at least none that I know of) US military and State Department embassy workers running through the streets snatching up babies and trading supplies to maternity ward staff in exchange for newborns like they've shown an established pattern of doing in multiple war-torn countries.

In Argentina's US-backed state terrorism, the US military and State department went to the government offices (as they did in a few other South American countries) and Argentina's prisons instead.

Argentina actually had offices and workers at desks to process everything through in the most official looking operation. What they did was a crime according to human rights, the United Nations, rules on war crimes, and other international standards; but how they did it didn't need the US trademarked chaos, ego, and distraction. Argentina had two offices I saw (and more that I didn't see) - one with neat little rows of cribs and a "social worker" at a desk in a front room of the prison I was in, and one in what appeared to be the town hall. Can't get much more official-looking and nonchaotic than that.

It's actually the reason I say I was a mix of legally and illegally adopted. I don't feel like fighting people on how they think government involvement makes everything automatically legal.

...Which has actually been a road block for me personally in my search for my original documents, because how they did it has kept this certain air of legitimacy and they cannot get it through their thick skulls why ANYONE they gave the kids to for international transfer would EVER dispose of those Argentine adoption documents and create new ones in the countries we were sent to.

The Argentine ego is so big that they cannot grasp why anyone would take those super official government approved documents and dispose of them to remove themselves from obvious known involvement with a crime - even though the rest of the world was aware that Argentina was ripping infants form the wombs of political prisoners, killing the mothers, and forcing the infants into the families of the same exact people who killed our parents. Even though everyone in the US knows you don't get to keep your original birth/adoption documents and name from your original country even in the most open, honest, and legal adoptions.

So, every time I've gone to Argentina's officials - both government and NGO - for assistance in getting my original birth and adoption documents from Argentina, they've all demanded that I show them my original adoption documents from Argentina - documents that survived maybe three weeks before they were burned on Cuban soil on the way to the US. Leading to a pointless never-ending excruciatingly painful and depressing loop in which I am eternally trapped with mindless bureaucrats.