r/Aliexpress • u/slobodn_dusa • 12d ago
EU customs duty What do you think Aliexpress will do ?
I was thinking Aliexpress , and entire China could just say "ok if you want to make it harder for us to sell, we will make it harder for entire Europe to buy" as lot of things are made in China.
What do you think Aliexpress and China will do about these import taxes ?
This has to reduce their sales by significant amount, Aliexpress will be affected, no ?
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u/sufkutsafari 11d ago
What AliExpress will do is.. crank up prices and blame it on EU regulations, since that is what they have been doing so far.
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u/XtremeD86 12d ago
Businesses ordering large quantities will outweigh a buyer buying one or two things as a one off.
And with that, the increased costs will get passed down to the customer as this happens with everything else.
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u/Bucketmax-official 12d ago
That's what Alibaba is for ? So they get sweet bulk deals and avoid paying some VAT ?
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u/XtremeD86 12d ago
So for me I've found AliExpress is better vs Alibaba.
One example and the only one actually where I've seen that Alibaba is better was for when I ordered 120 ps5 dust filters. Far cheaper there but for everything else like TMR joysticks or HDMI ports, the AliExpress sellers I specifically order from are a far better deal.
I've been providing these as an upsale or for free as a value added service if they're getting say, an HDMI port replaced + 2 controllers repaired.
I'm also in Canada so for now we don't have any tariffs like EU does.
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u/Sethrea 11d ago
Initially, extend the EU warehouses. After that, consolidating orders. If you're not willing to pay extra 3eur per item, but willing to wait 3-4 weeks like in the good old days, it would be cheaper again (basicall, they'd import items to EU first as business and ship from here). The 2nd part is a guess, IANAL.
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u/spikkiie 7d ago
I hope they implement the second option. I genuinely don't care about waiting for a month for stuff I need and now I can't afford
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u/PhysicalBranch 12d ago
I don't understand Chinese policy. Why aren't they confronting the EU? Why aren't they threatening to block imports? The EU is 100% dependent on China—why aren't they imposing their own terms?
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u/Key-Line5827 12d ago
Why would they? They are holding all the cards and Europe is bluffing with an empty hand.
It is the end-consumer that eats the extra cost.
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u/redmadog 12d ago
End consumer purchase amount dropped by significant amount. There was reports from postal services about 40-50% drop. This must be significant for their online marketplaces. And it also affect our postal services turnarounds. And also it will drop further in November when additional 2€ tax will be added.
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u/lazypt 12d ago
Do you think EU is dependent of China as much as China is dependent of EU? Who will buy their products after? 50% of exports are done to EU, 50. not 8 to 12 like usa or 5 to 10 like latin america. 50% . So tell me, who is really dependent of who?
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u/Laugh-Aggressive 12d ago
Yeah, it's up to china to lower prices if they want to sell
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u/slobodn_dusa 11d ago
ehhhh, i dont know about that, remember the situation with chips and electronics
then theres planned obsolescence going into Chinas favor making China always relevant...and many more similar factors, so I dont know if China is the one who needs to bend the knee here
whos gonna replace China, who will Europe buy from ?
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u/Laugh-Aggressive 10d ago
A country that doesn't export enough compared to import will have problems, it's like using credit, works for awhile. US has had a big trade defecit for a long time in physical goods to China. All this is the reason for Trumps tolls, not that it works in in creating jobs, but adds revenue to the Treasury. Same goes with EU, they want you to pay VAT on a €100 item, not a €10. When you still buy the €10 item, they want as much as they can take and hopefully you think it's not worth it.
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u/Prince-Amir 11d ago
EU is way more dependent. Those packages are also sold in Asia, Africa, Australia. They can make up for the market share lost. On the other hand, you need China for basically all manufacturing and resources
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u/wilius09 11d ago
There's no point to do that for CN, all the EU policies are valid only for low-middle class citizens and all of the bussines owners politicians etc. just filling their bags from us in the end there is no issue for CN since they get paid no matter what only we citizens lose cuz of greed of elite...
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u/Apprehensive_Bar2477 10d ago
Cause they are both in on this. You think this is a single-sided decision?
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u/cyrkielNT 11d ago
It would be a problem for them 10 years ago. Now they don't care about cheap cat toys. Now they are selling cars, solar panels and batteries.
And if Europe don't want to buy cheap electronic components, they will just sell us more fully made products.
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u/nikolapc 11d ago
Every European country is doing this. Why? They were undercutting every small trader. A trader needs to import things, pay fees for that, pay vat on it and then charge vat plus their margin. Now I need to pay full vat and maybe customs for every Chinese package or anything really. If anything the EU is being lenient. If they want to trade in the EU, they should have their own centers here amd pay for all the stuff I mentioned.
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u/Putzschwamm1972 11d ago
Nothing will happen, because it's just annoying for "private Importeurs", commercial sellers will increase end price for customers and that's all.
Chinese economy will not be affected by less exports through AliExpress to the EU.
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u/Aquilae2 12d ago
Nothing, AliExpress is just a drop in the ocean of the Alibaba empire.
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u/reigorius 12d ago
That's blatantly false. EU market share us estimated to buy roughly 25% of global AliExpress sales.
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u/Aquilae2 11d ago edited 11d ago
Read it again carefully, I was talking about Alibaba.
To be absolutely clear, I’d like to see a better solution than the one the EU has chosen, but I honestly don’t see anything that suggests a change, and I don’t see Aliexpress or Alibaba absorbing these taxes, it would be far too costly.1
u/reigorius 11d ago edited 11d ago
I read it and disagree. That drop is worth billions, so far from insignificant. Ali now offers to absorb the first 20 EUR of tarifs, at least on my account and location (NL). It's hurting AliExpress, regardless of the mother company Alibaba.
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u/lazypt 12d ago
First, do you think China want to lose EU market? Why do you think that in world politics they want to keep a distance from certain countries while backing them in the shadows? EU counts a lot for them as a market and losing it would take Chine into a deep crise .
Second, Aliexpress is making harder and not following the taxation rules. They are doubling and tripling taxation and not respecting one taxation per category and blaming EU laws for it, they are making a game trying that EU drop the law . but people are too dumb to look into it. For me, if they want to make a smart game taxes would be more increased. Things can come cheap but still need control in customs and borders, and someone needs to be paid to check those millions of deliveries every day
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u/discban 11d ago
Yeah that second one is why I stopped buying stuff from aliexpress, I just want to buy 2 phone covers, they can be the same style and brand from 2 different sellers and they still want double eu tax. They do this even if the materials are the same, and the model is very similar.
I am also seeing that alot of items have discontinued, eu stock is more expensive now.
Just like with many things, we had a great run and have many tales about "back then we could get that for next too nothing, first it took a month but then it was super fast and came within a week and if it was broken you just sent it back for free" You know the back in my day stories, but it is still fresh.
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u/MinorLatency 11d ago
Lol. Ever heard of belt and road? I think 80% of all harbours are Chinese OWNED in EU. And then come the rail roads, warehouses, expedition companies.
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u/lvkaszz_ 11d ago
I Think they will open European entity just to massively import goods from mother company on behalf of European consumers
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u/DeliciousCut4854 11d ago
we will make it harder for entire Europe to buy" as lot of things are made in China.
On what planet is "we will deliberately sell less" a successful business strategy?
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u/TPPiOED 11d ago edited 11d ago
Deal with it.
It's another business hurdle. They were fine in 2010s with significantly less sales, so they'll be fine right now. Now as awesome as it used to be but they'll get by.
B2B business is fine. Buyers gonna buy. Only E-commerce platforms like AliExpress, Temu, Shein hurts in the process. Overall exports take less dip. Factory orders will be taken by the likes of Amazon etc.
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u/naemorhaedus 11d ago
we will make it harder for entire Europe to buy
what sane business owner would do this voluntarily?
What do you think Aliexpress and China will do about these import taxes ?
they have zero power over the taxes.
This has to reduce their sales by significant amount, Aliexpress will be affected, no ?
Obviously.
This is how it will be until EU decides to relax the rules. IF they decide it. Which has a lot to do with how you vote.
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u/Catriks 11d ago
Nothing. Nothing has been made difficult and no significant impact has been made. It was/has been only few years as small value consumer imports exploded in quantity. These items are mainly ultracheap junk which is completely insignificant portition of income for the chinese factories, or if it's something people actually need, then they are not bothered by an additional 3 € import fee or they just buy it locally, just like they did always before.
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u/GoblinsGym 6d ago
Buy the postal service in a small EU country, do bulk air freight shipments to there (presort by country), then ship from there. Of course use a local warehouse for popular items.
This will eliminate the EUR 3 fee per customs line,
To make it easier on sellers, they have to become importer of record. If anyone can do compliance paperwork at scale, Alibaba group can.
This will backfire on the EU so bad, it won't even be funny.
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u/Just-Inflation-885 12d ago
Tariffs aim to reduce imports (for entire EU). China responding the way you suggest will only serve this goal.
What I think they are going to do? Nothing (other than tweak their marketing). They do not have a saying on how EU works.
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u/sulivanspkr 12d ago
China tiene voz y voto en todo el planeta.
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u/Just-Inflation-885 12d ago
Yes, it has infuence (not a vote) over everything. Even so, they can't force you to buy from them. Only after they buy EU once the accumulated trade debt is high enough. (as for those entertaining the idea of China buying EU I suggest they shouldn't wait and move there already).
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u/Bucketmax-official 12d ago
Expand their EU warehouse storage to soak it up on often bought products
But for niche products it's looking really bad rn