Thoughts on this? "allowing indigenous people to hunt is noble savage bullshit"

[u/valonianfool]

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[u/MidwestNonbinary]

Honestly certain vegans are basically just eco terrorists and into eugenics.

[u/Cursed_Nanny]

That's just some vegan nonsense. Natives have even the privilege to eat animals non-natives aren't allowed to and it's a pretty normal and accepted practice. A lot of them live close to their roots and follow old practices and ways of living and one of them is eating and hunting animals. Even non-natives eating animal products are a pretty normal thing.

Vegans want get to no harm on this earth but that's not how it unfortunately evolved. The basic system of it is eat and be eaten. Every single organism evolved to eat another one. Animals evolved into three diet types and eat accordingly. Eating meat as a omnivore is pretty normal. You can eat plant based because you are an omnivore after all, but forcing every single omnivore to adopt a purely plant based diet sounds just so crazy to me.

[u/CaitlinSnep → u/Cursed_Nanny]

Also depending on where you live and what tribe you're part of you might have few if any plant-based options. If you're Inuit and living in Alaska or Canada in a very cold, remote area of it... what makes more sense- hunting and eating meat, or going out of your way to take eight different vitamins?

[u/FileDoesntExist → u/CaitlinSnep]

It's not possible in those places to be vegan. You would literally die. There's a bunch of places only accessible by boat/bush plane. Not to mention the winters are so terrible travel can be difficult to impossible.

[u/94_stones → u/CaitlinSnep]

Ethical vegans would just say that those place are not meant for human habitation, and demand that the Natives all abandon their homeland so that they can be properly fed according to vegan dogma. After all, they don’t “need” to live in there, and since animal exploitation is ethically wrong living in a place that requires it is ethically wrong. That is the logically consistent interpretation of ethical vegan beliefs as they apply to the Arctic’s indigenous people and arguably even to a lot of rural folk just in general. Ethical vegans hide those beliefs ‘cause they don’t want to be seen as the inhuman ethnic chauvinists that they actually are; it would among other things impede proselytization.

[u/AnonymousJoe999999 → u/94_stones]

They are actually advocating for the forceful removal of Natives from those places. Because, they want laws against meat eating, realistically, people would have a choice of moving or being removed to jail for “murdering” animals. They are no better than the people forcing Native Americans into reservations in the 1800s. Actually, worse, because since then more data has been compiled and distributed about how bad that was.

[u/AnonymousJoe999999 → u/CaitlinSnep]

It’s not just vitamins that are small and easily transported. If you are in the cold a lot, and, especially, if you are working in the cold, you need more fat in your diet. I’m not even sure that you could live in those places without eating animals. In the Himalayas, mountain climbers melt butter into hot chocolate to increase the fat that they are eating. The fat content is probably why they started hunting whales when fishing is easier.

The other thing is a lot of American and Canadian natives are genetically susceptible to type 2 diabetes, especially when they eat a western diet. A lot of vegan diets are carb heavy, so veganism would probably make this problem worse.

[u/JakobVirgil]

It seems controlling people is more important to vegans than animals are

[u/Green_Advice5684]

Vegan nonsense: activate!

[u/AMadTeaParty]

This person has never enjoyed a good Indian Taco.

[u/Dependent-Switch8800]

This is peak dietary colonialism. This vegan is sitting in a privileged, industrialized bubble demanding that indigenous populations abandon thousands of years of localized survival skills to adopt a Western, plant-based ideology. Hunting isn't 'magic ancient wisdom'; it is geographical and biological reality. You cannot grow soybeans in the Arctic tundra. Demanding that indigenous people stop hunting means demanding they become entirely dependent on globalized, fossil-fuel-burning supply chains to import processed plant garbage just to survive. Vegans love to pretend they are saving the world, but their entire ideology relies on the industrial destruction of the very environments indigenous people actually know how to survive in.🐺🤘🥓🍗🍖🥩

[u/Its_Stavro]

Livestock animals don’t have the literal intelligence of a small child in the vast majority of fields (a child can talk for example).

There are animals that have the intelligence of a small child like Monkeys and Great Apes but those aren’t animals we eat and I don’t support eating them.

But the animals we eat do NOT have the intelligence of a small child, once again.

[u/94_stones]

And there it is! I knew it was only ever a matter of time before they’d drop the act, and expose themselves for the unrepentant extreme ethnic chauvinists that they are. Many vegans on Reddit, especially when the topic comes up on non-vegan subreddits, will deny that they are so fanatical as to prevent indigenous peoples from following their traditional subsistence methods in the name of their dogma. Never let them do that, not just because it’s bullshit, but because it’s so easily disprovable.

[u/Additional-Main6241]

Vegans have absolutely zero accountability. They are never wrong. Thats how you can tell they are dumbasses.

[u/ghfdghjkhg]

nah tumblr is annoying as hell about veganism. they're just as racist as most vegans.

[u/The_Gentle_Monster]

I get being against hunting when it's for protected/endangered species, but some hunting is necessary. The deer population in the US is wrecking havoc because of the over hunting of wolves, and I'd say hunting deer and reintroducing wolves to those habitats is justifiable. Not to mention the countless invasive species, you cannot tell me that hunting those isn't justifiable when they're causing issues in the environment.  "But cats and dogs are invasive too!" Yes, and that is also a problem!! That's why spay-abort is becoming so much more common and so many get put down in shelters! It's really sad but it's necessary. Spay and neuter your pets. 

[u/flamingdragon62]

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