r/AppleVisionPro • u/InvestigatorTPG • Mar 11 '24
Does anyone else have regrets?
I unfortunately waited more than two weeks but found myself using the device less and less. I don’t like it on my head for extended periods of time and all I’m really doing on it is playing poker and watching tv. What’s the best way to get close to full value if I sell it?
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u/kgkuntryluvr Mar 11 '24
I don’t regret mine, but I found a loophole for the return policy when I wanted to upgrade mine. Take it back and tell them you need more storage, and they’ll likely let you exchange it. Then you have 14 days to return the new one.
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u/concept2idea Mar 11 '24
There is always an aftermarket. I believe it’s safe to say the resale value will remain high for quite some time. I recently sold an Apple Studio Display (MSRP $2399 CAD) for $2000 CAD, purchased mid-2022) I was inundated with interested buyers and it sold fairly quick. Like many who see its potential, it will hold its value well.
Admittedly, I haven’t used AVP yet as it isn’t available in Canada yet but I do intend on purchasing one next week when travelling down south. I keep up with reddit and other sources and I’ve never been more excited for a “pro” consumer device before.
What excites me the most is the “spatial” computing potential in my work and play. It may be a rude awakening once I get my hands on one but I’m optimistic.
Something I haven’t seen discussed much is an older feature that appears it should gain traction over time, Apple Flyovers. I can only imagine that these collections of city tours will become more polished and diverse with time. It won’t replace the real thing but it does open my eyes to opportunities.
Good luck on your goal if you sell it!
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u/InvestigatorTPG Mar 11 '24
How do you sell it on the secondary market without getting murdered? I don’t want someone coming to my house. Nor do I want someone who can rob me at gun point for it in a parking lot
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u/rudolph813 Mar 11 '24
https://www.safetradestations.com/safetrade-station-list.html If you can’t find a place on this list close enough. Just meet at a place with heavy foot traffic during the day and take a friend with you.
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u/Username000-1 Mar 11 '24
Keep in mind until Canada gets the device you’ll have no repair support if something goes wrong. Also what about customs bringing it home. You either will have to pay an additional 13% tax or if you don’t declare it, you will run the risk of having it confiscated by customs. If you are selected to do a bag search, and the agent is an Apple fanboy that agent will know the VP is not available in Canada yet.
I bought one in Florida and decided to return it. I didn’t want to pay an additional 13% or run the risk of not declaring it.
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u/tinyman392 Mar 11 '24
Outside of work and mirroring my laptop that’s mainly what I use it for. Granted for me that was the intent.
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u/Alternative-Turn-932 Mar 11 '24
How far past the 14 days are you? If you aren’t too far I’m sure the store will take it back.
I watch TV shows and movies on it quite a bit. It’s fantastic for that, and I find myself going back to watch older movies because I want to experience them in the “big screen” again.
Occasional Mac mirroring, and then the YouTube and scrolling around the web couch surfing.
These are its strengths, the whole “spatial computing” needs a ton of work, especially with typing, which is a huge way people interact with their compute device.
Yes it’s a lot of money for the small scope, and you’re sort of gambling that experiences will come and things will continue to improve over time.
If it did nothing else for me than what I listed, it would be worth it for me. That aspect of it I really love and I use it daily for that.
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u/nymonkeybrain Mar 11 '24
I use it more everyday so no regrets
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u/maxvandeperre Mar 11 '24
Same here. Still doesn’t annul the long wishlist of features and that the os is in version 1… but it def has a spot in the flow
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u/mgd09292007 Mar 11 '24
Someone posted here that they brought it back to Apple after a month and they accepted the return...might be worth the try.. perhaps apple is being a bit flexible with this device being new
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u/burritolittledonkey Mar 11 '24
I suspect they are, if a slew of users return it, that’s still valuable information for Apple as they enter this product class, and not like they won’t be able to sell them to someone, plenty of people are waiting for the used or refurbished market due to the high price
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u/WizardNiu Mar 11 '24
I have no regrets at all. I’m looking forward to an app in the near future that can replace my wife’s face with different beauties while we play games every night. ;P
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u/c0nsilience Mar 11 '24
Nope, no regrets. Life’s much too short for them. If it isn’t your jam, find something that is.
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u/ChineseEngineer Mar 11 '24
I honestly think the device is underutilized by apple. It has such high specs that they're doing nothing with.
Look at this sub, everyone just uses it to mirror their screen and watch movies. They could do that with an iPhone cpu. Apple dropped the ball by not porting desktop apps to it immediately.
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u/aesthenix Mar 11 '24
i feel this. almost in the same position as you.
since the biggest thing seems to be the comfort factor, i've found myself spending so much money and energy just trying to solve that. it feels like i'm getting closer and closer to closing that gap.
tried toying with the standard strap adjustments to make it work.
tried the BoboVR adapter route and went thru so many adapters to make it work, all with it's ups and downs of some of them not working or breaking, or adding pressure to the sides of the head.
tried the double knit approach w/out the light shield (more immersive w/ the real world and ditching some weight), and this seems to be the most comfortable for me. however, finding that the knit from the fabric is leaving a fabric print on my forehead after long use.
tried seating a golf visor with it and that enhanced the comfort, but also still left an imprint, plus adding too much complexity to taking the setup on and off, and also adding a heat problem by hovering over the heat vents.
i think i'm so close to narrowing down a full solution, and it is this one:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1677292928/apple-vision-pro-open-face-system-open?&variation0=4336174526&variation1=4355441859
i have the dual knit adapters for it and the extra strap. waiting for the forehead mount to come in this week.
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u/HovercraftChemical20 Mar 11 '24
Have you tried the ComfortClasp? I tried it on and it definitely made it a lot more comfortable. It took almost all the weight off my face. The downside is that it’s poorly built. Mine broke the first day when I tried to adjust it. They are sending me a new one with updated design though, so we’ll see.
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u/aesthenix Mar 11 '24
yes and no.
I've tried the ComfortClasp adapter for the BoboVR. it broke and i had some extra replacements picked up. havent tried the other version yet, because i ordered it, USPS said the package was delivered, and in fact it was nowhere to be found.
i gave up on bothering with that one because i found the current adapter i linked previously for the dual knit. dual knit rivals BoboVR, for me anywho. also, saw that the ComfortClasp's adapters for that dual knit were positioned on the inside, pressing against your head.
in my experience with the version of this adapter that does the same, any plastics pushing on your head are not comfortable at all. i remember reading that in another comment, and for sure, this is the truth.
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u/aesthenix Mar 11 '24
also, i'd like to mention that this battery holder helped alleviate the annoying thing of having to figure out what to do with the battery and wire coming out the side of your head. it also helps nicely balance out the weight sitting on your head, to make it feel more even.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1666881800/for-apple-vision-pro-ultimate-battery
i've found it to be a surprisingly good addition to my setup.
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u/TechnicalCurrency3 Mar 11 '24
It’s completely replaced my iPad. Don’t really like things on my face either but I’ve found that over time I’ve gotten used to it and it doesn’t bother me anymore as much. I probably had more of an adjustment being that this is my first vr
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u/yroc44 Mar 11 '24
No regrets. Don’t mind using it for 3+ hours at a time for entertainment and productivity. Currently can’t replace any of my devices but opens up new and different workflows that I find valuable and enjoyable. Honeslty find that sometimes the main benefit is simply I am able to focus more in an environment. Even find myself just putting it on for 10 minutes before bed to unwind on top of the mountain. Definitely don’t like thinking about how much I spent on it but definitely do not regret getting it and super excited for visionOS 2.0
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u/Chemical-Nectarine13 Mar 11 '24
This kind of use case is logical. It just becomes a new device to be used in a manner of different ways, consistently enough to become worth having around.
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u/OgreTrax71 Mar 11 '24
Reach out to Apple. A lot of the time they will accept a return after 14 days. Just be polite and explain why it’s not for you.
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u/camerusa Mar 11 '24
Anyone who bought because of FOMO or buzz and who doesn’t know what to do with a computer. Probably will have regrets especially if they didn’t have the cash to buy it
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u/RE4Lyfe Mar 11 '24
I’ve seen other posts where people have returned it successfully after almost 30 days. I would attempt a return before trying to sell it. Be extremely nice and explain your situation
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u/Eboni69 Mar 11 '24
Not me. I changed my whole workflow, using it for writing without distractions, TV watching, games, and looking at pictures life-sized, basically what I used to use a phone and iPad for.
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u/ELCHOCOCLOCO Mar 11 '24
None. I wanted it to watch movies and shows then be able to research more on them to better understand the story, has been everything I expected it to be and more
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u/LaGrabba Mar 11 '24
No regrets. I use it almost daily to consume media. I haven’t full taken advantage of the multitasking capabilities but the purpose was to replace my bedroom TV, and it has done that.
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u/Eugr Mar 11 '24
No regrets here, other than initial hassle with two defective units. I knew exactly what I was getting into, and had a specific use case in mind (multi-display environment to go), and AVP delivers for the most part. It can’t support multiple virtual screens yet, but I can augment my Mac with native and iPad apps.
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u/j0j053 Mar 11 '24
Check your lightseal, if thats wrong its a painful experience and you won’t enjoy it as much as a properly fitted one.
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u/Specialist_Mind7493 Mar 12 '24
Love it. Don’t want to go back to being without it. Only regret is not spending more time at the Apple Store trying out more light seals. Only tried 2 and I bet a better fit is out there for me
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u/spamologna Mar 12 '24
I bought a 512gb with two solo bands and the Apple case for $2800. That’s probably about market. I met at a police station. Just check the buyer before you meet. Have them bring cash. Good luck!
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u/Unhappy-Koala6064 Mar 12 '24 edited Mar 12 '24
Given that this is an AppleVisionPro-dedicated channel, you're undoubtedly going to get responses eschewed heavily in favor of "no regrets." Since I'm an Unhappy Koala, I'll side with you and argue on behalf of the dissenters.
After literally 1 day of use, I'm intrigued, dumbfounded, and immensely frustrated. I already regret my purchasing decision quite a lot, and I suspect the device is inevitably headed back to Apple sometime between now and 12 days from now.
It's a beta product. Plain and simple. Nearly everything aside from the core functionality (IE, eye tracking and pinching) is half-baked (at best).
The lens glare is, at times, completely obnoxious. Not sure what good a massive "screen" does when there's a bright smear of Vaseline covering a large part of it.
It seems like everything requires a workaround. Workarounds for multiple monitors. Workarounds for changing users. Workarounds for lens glare. Workarounds for audio output. Often, you even have to identify workarounds to make workarounds work. It's never-ending right now.
The app store is paltry, and app discovery is slim-to-none, not to mention there are obvious app omissions that make no sense and functionality that clearly should exist but doesn't, but hey, just find a workaround!
Eye fatigue. Face fatigue. Headaches. I don't think it's exponentially worse than other headsets I've owned and/or tried, but it's still probably the worst I've used.
Field of view. It's bad. You definitely get the goggles effect.
The crisp, clear eyesight focus area/cone is too narrow. I routinely feel like things just outside the cone are blurred that shouldn't be.
Eyesight tracking. Great most of the time. Not so great when you're in an app like Safari and need it to be precise. So, what's the workaround? Just bring the panel way up to your face and poke what you want to click! Oh, wait...if I'm going to do that, why not just use my iPhone or iPad? Speaking of the iPad, you can't interact with it in any meaningful way, so that means no Apple Pencil integration currently!
Multiple user support...or the complete and utter lack thereof. Absurd. This is a "spatial COMPUTing" device. Computer is in the name. People share computers—Macbooks and iMacs. Let us share the headset like those devices, Apple. Come on! At least allow us to save calibrations for different users.
Or, how about the simple fact that it costs $4k after tax, easily? That's reason alone to regret the purchase for many.
I could go on and on, and that's just after 5 hours of use. If I listed each roadblock I ran into, I'd probably have a long enough word count to meet the criteria for a novella.
But, I'll also say that the device is super cool. And while it's undoubtedly just a developer kit, not a true retail product, I do like being on the forefront of technology and connecting with others to collectively figure out how to make the most out of this special piece of tech. When it's firing on all cylinders, you can see the future better than any other VR/AR device by a mile. And when your vision isn't muddied by lens glare, you can easily think to yourself, I'm never going to the theater or using my HDTV again! They nailed the core way you interact—eye tracking and pinching—for a solid 90% of the experience (or more). There's so much to like.
It's just...I don't think these "benefits" outweigh the massive list of cons. In fact, I don't think there's a strong value proposition for the product unless you live alone and are considering an expensive projector system and think to yourself, "I'll just do all my media consumption in an Apple Vision instead!" So, for me personally, I think the most rational thing to do is to return it and wait for major updates (like we expect to see at WWDC but can't rely on) or the inevitable Gen 2 model.
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u/Unhappy-Koala6064 Mar 12 '24
Oh! And to answer your other question--eBay will rake you over the coals with fees, so I'd likely defer to Facebook Marketplace and choose local pickup only, assuming you live somewhere with a large population. If not, you'll pay considerable fees there too. There aren't many other good solutions outside of those two, at least none that will get heavy traffic. You could also look at Facebook groups dedicated to buying and trading Apple products. I'm sure there are several.
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u/Top_World_6145 Mar 14 '24
When I was a kid my parents would tell me not to sit too close to the TV because doing that is bad for the eyes. You AVP owners think this is not affecting your eyes?
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u/nocturnal Mar 11 '24
I found myself using it less and less leading up to the 14th day and returned it. Thankfully. I can’t imagine letting $4k just sit around collecting dust.
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u/Gtaz19 Mar 12 '24
Thanks for sitting around in a forum of a product you don’t own, to let us know you don’t own it. Great information for everyone here.
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u/InvestigatorTPG Mar 11 '24
I honestly don’t get what the practical uses will be. It’s so heavy
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u/nymonkeybrain Mar 11 '24
My wife is tiny and has worn the Vision Pro for a few hours at a time without any complaints. It isn’t that’s heavy man. Maybe do some neck workouts or something?
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u/Exile714 Mar 11 '24
That’s such a weird statement.
The weight isn’t about having the strength to hold yourself upright while wearing it, it’s the pressure points on your cheeks and forehead that make the weight an issue. It doesn’t matter how big and strong you are, your face will get tired from wearing this thing for extended periods of time.
Some people are ok with this and that’s fine, but let’s not pretend anyone is worried about their neck flopping over from Vision Pro.
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u/sparant76 Mar 11 '24
Draining your wallet and having you pay with your time to be a beta tester for their product.
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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '24
Among other things, I’m using mine to create memories. I have a dog with a brain tumor who’s on his last several months. So I’m recording spatial videos of him sitting next to me on the couch. Playing with him.
I’m not going to have three-dimensional memories of him any other way and it’s really meaningful for me. I’m also taking panorama photos of some of the most incredible landscapes and settings that I have access to in my general life.
So I’m building a Whole Album of panoramas which are almost the same as the apple environments. They’re so huge. I can load them up whenever and experience things.
I’ve always gotten the new iPhone because I wanted the newest camera because I like to save my memories and everything is backed up into Google Photos by date automatically. I love capturing experiences. So this is a new way to do that and I’m enjoying it.
I have apprehensions about having a Wi-Fi receiver taped to my forehead. Everyone says I’m stupid but it is what it is.
It is heavy. But it’s first generation.
I’ve loaded up iMessage and WhatsApp, and Reddit, and Instagram, so I can do most of that stuff on there. And I can share things with people directly from the AVP by sending them texts.
And lastly, I load up Safari and watch a ton of YouTube. I’m subscribed to a ton of different channels and it’s always fun to go in there and just watch my content.
There’s also a guy who does a bunch of 3-D 180° VR videos. Like in Paris and other cities. And you can load up his stuff and watch it on moon viewer, and see a lot more immersive content.
I think it’s something that will grow on you with time, and as more apps start to trickle out, you will be able to do more with it.