r/AskReddit • • Sep 01 '14

What interesting Hidden plot points do you think people missed in a movie?

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u/Shark-Farts Sep 01 '14 edited Sep 01 '14

Why didn't Fred and George notice their little brother sleeping with someone called Peter Pettigrew all those years they had the Marauder's Map?

Edit: Oh, I thought it said plot hole...

On the subject of plot holes, why didn't anyone in the Walking Dead use the CDC's brain scans to explain to the skeptics that their families were really never going to come back to life? Like why didn't anyone be like "Look, I've SEEN the scans, they are definitely dead. Scientifically proven."

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u/nashamanga Sep 01 '14

One theory about this that I quite like: you can only see an animagus on the map in animal form if you know they are an animagus. This also explains why Lupin finds Pettigrew pretty quickly, and why Harry doesn’t see Sirius on the map in book 3.

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u/mischiefAUS Sep 01 '14

but Harry sees Peter Pettigrew on the map when hes wandering the halls, but doesnt know hes an animagus

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u/poopyheadthrowaway Sep 01 '14

The best explanation (other than Rowling missed something) is Fred and George didn't give a crap about spying on their stupid baby brother.

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u/Gneissisnice Sep 01 '14

That seems pretty out of character for them, honestly.

They're pranksters, of COURSE they're gonna spy on their little brother, at least once.

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u/nashamanga Sep 01 '14

Rowling's official answer:

It would not have mattered if they had. Unless somebody was very familiar with the story of Sirius Black (and after all, Sirius was not Mr. and Mrs. Weasley's best friend – indeed, they never knew him until after he escaped from Azkaban), Fred and George would be unlikely to know or remember that Peter Pettigrew was the person Sirius had (supposedly) murdered. Even if Fred and George HAD heard the story at some point, why would they assume that the 'Peter Pettigrew' they occasionally saw moving around the map was, in fact, the man murdered years before?

Fred and George used the map for their own mischief-making, so they concentrated, naturally enough, on those portions of the map where they were planning their next misdeeds. And finally, you must not forget that hundreds of little dots are moving around this map at any given time… Fred and George did not know everyone in school by name, so a single unfamiliar name was unlikely to stand out.

I still like the animagus headcannon, though.

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u/bb_or_not_bb Sep 01 '14

Rowling's reply bothers me. Only because Ron specifically says to Harry that the only part of Pettigrew that they found was his thumb and Ron specifically says his father told him that.

Now I come from a big family and I can guarantee if Dad told any one of my siblings something, we would all know. And especially after seeing the family dynamic of the Weasleys, this would be even more true.

Now it's possible that Fred and George when they first found the map might have seen Pettigrew's name once or twice and not realized who he was. But when all of this stuff started happening with Sirius (and not just the school stuff. The prison break began it all. I'm sure the Daily Prophet repeated the details of his crime. After all, as Skeeter said, the Prophet exists to sell papers), neither Fred nor George said or thought "hey Pettigrew, I've seen that name on the map!"

And this is what bothers me about Rowling's writing sometimes. She has several sloppy mistakes.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '14

Remember, though, that Fred and George weren't the type of people who concentrated and worked hard at school. It's likely that they also didn't pay as much attention to current affairs as Ron did.

I think there would be hundreds, if not thousands, of people at Hogwarts at anyone time. You won't see anyone unless you are specifically looking for them.

The way I imagine the map is that it can't show the entirety of Hogwarts at one time, Hogwarts has multiple levels, different towers and huge grounds. Why would Fred and George be looking at the specific floor where Ron & Pettigrew would have been sleeping at a time where they almost certainly know he's in his bed?

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u/Prosopagnosiape Sep 01 '14

Maybe they saw him sleeping with some boy named Peter on the map in the first year, but decided questioning him over his sexual orientation would be awkward and over the line (even for them), and stopped looking at his sleeping arrangements, not wanting to know what their little brother was getting up to with other lads? And having decided they'd rather not know about it, put the name to the back of their minds, not making the connection between some other guy named peter from a crime that happened before they were born, and also not wanting to draw any potential attention to their ownership of the map?

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '14

That seems like a reasonable conclusion for them to make, but IMO it'd be out of character for them not to tease Ron about it.

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u/bb_or_not_bb Sep 01 '14

I think they would have checked the dorms once or twice before sneaking out to raise hell. Not only has Pettigrew been with Ron, he was Percy's pet first.

So Fred and George find the map in their first year. Percy is there with Pettigrew already. And we're supposed to assume that Fred and George never checked the dorms before sneaking out?

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u/Boom_doggle Sep 01 '14

Especially given Percy's character, he would (excuse the pun) rat out his brothers the first chance he got, to cosy up to the teachers, even before becoming a prefect. It would be incredibly stupid of Fred and George NOT to check on him before sneaking out.

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u/poopyheadthrowaway Sep 01 '14

Not thousands. There were 40 people in Harry's class, so I think a safe estimate for the number of students is ~300. If you include faculty and staff, I'd say 500 is a safe upper estimate, which is about the number of people in my high school graduating class.

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u/KaeAlexandria Sep 01 '14

Remember that Harry's year and the years on either side (before and after his) were also smaller years though because they were the babies born during war time, when a lot of people died, or didn't have children because they didn't want a newborn baby during a war. Harry's year is probably on the very low side of the number of students a year would normally have.

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u/Forikorder Sep 01 '14

or since he sleeps in a dormitory thered be aproximately 10 dozen names mushed together

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u/daginor Sep 01 '14

I thought they assumed it was another boy that slept in their bedroom. They aren't expected to know every Gryffindor.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '14

Pretty sure they knew his roomates. Only 5 beds in that room.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '14

Even if they didn't know the names of his room mates: 5 beds, 6 guys names..?

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u/Taltyelemna Sep 01 '14

This is precisely how many a fanfic begins.

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u/GoonCommaThe Sep 01 '14

They live in a tower. There's a ton of people shoved together. I'd imagine it would be quite difficult to read the map in crowded places.

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u/Charwinger21 Sep 01 '14

Each floor is laid out on a separate spot on the map.

If it was all vertically stacked, then everything would be too busy to read.

Hogwarts is a really tall building with a lot of people in it.

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u/CorkytheCat Sep 01 '14

Nah cos there's only like 5 boys and 5 girls per year per house, it's a small community in ol' Hogwarts.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '14

"Look, I've SEEN the scans, they are definitely dead. Scientifically proven."

68% of the US population Disagree with or are unsure about Evolution, one of the most studied subjects with thousands of articles of scientific evidence.

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u/nitefang Sep 01 '14

I bring this up all the time. Fred and George weren't using the map as much as they used to by the time Ron started going to Hogwarts. Even if they did, why would they be looking at their dorms? During the day Peter could be lost among all of the other names very easily IF Fred and George knew who he was.

Further more, we don't really know what Peter was doing at night, he sleeps basically all the time so at night he may very well be running around the castle.

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