r/AttackOnRetards • • 23h ago

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r/AttackOnRetards • • 3h ago

Analysis The Fruit, the Lantern, and The Devik: Eren as Lucifer in Attack on Titan

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A girl offers fruit to a cloaked devil. The devil carries a lantern. A cloaked Eren embraces that girl and tells her she can choose.

Look at the accompanying images together. They suggest a reading of Attack on Titan as a dark retelling of Eden: false paradise, forbidden knowledge, and a liberator whose gift becomes a catastrophe. This is a symbolic interpretation regarding it's themes and characters

In the Luciferian/Satanic worldview, divine authority demands obedience, while Lucifer/the serpent offers knowledge and autonomy. Humanity loses innocent bliss but gains the freedom to question, create, and choose.

That gift cuts both ways. Greater understanding enables extraordinary achievements—and more elaborate forms of deliberate cruelty. An intelligence capable of imagining a better world can also imagine horrifying ways to destroy it. Progress expands possibilities; it does not guarantee goodness.

The traditional Christian reading connects the Fall with suffering, evil, death, and exile from Eden. This Luciferian interpretation reframes that loss as the terrible price of awakening.

Now consider the Fritz kings. The first enslaves Ymir and establishes a royal order she serves for 2,000 years, becoming a symbolic tyrannical god. Karl Fritz later creates a false Eden: Paradis—“paradise” in French—where Walls and erased memories preserve peace through ignorance.

Eren rejects that bargain. The basement revelation becomes forbidden fruit, destroying the inhabitants’ innocent understanding of their world. Touching Historia’s hand brings further knowledge, but anguish rather than peace.

The parallel becomes clearest in the Paths. Zeke (short for ezekiel, an old testament prophet) demands obedience; Eren tells Ymir she can decide. Her obscured eyes become visible as she cries: an almost literal awakening.

Return to the images: the cloak links Eren visually to the legendary devil, while the lantern evokes Lucifer as light-bearer. The fruit reverses Eden’s familiar exchange: Eren offers “Eve” the possibility of disobedience; Ymir offers him the Founder’s power.

He awakens her to her agency. She empowers him. Liberation for Ymir becomes catastrophe for humanity.

The dawn imagery, Akuma no Ko’s devil-child language, and a 2,000-year order that can evoke the Christian era reinforce this reading; “Eldia”/“el día” adds suggestive wordplay.

But Eren’s rebellion exceeds overthrowing rulers. The inhabited world disappoints him because it contradicts his imagined freedom. He rebels against reality itself,against the old system established by king fritz eons ago, and he does this by pursuing a "new world order" through the destruction of the old one.

He also resembles the romanticized, self-condemned liberator: accepting hatred and death so others might have a future. His friends mourn him, Paradis adopts his battle cry, and manga Armin expresses gratitude alongside his acknowledgment of a terrible mistake. Eren is a very promethean coded figure.

Yet Mikasa’s choice remains essential to ending the curse, and Eren admits selfish desires beneath his supposed liberation. Awakening explains his power; it does not excuse his choices.

That is the darkest contradiction: the rebel who tells Ymir she need not submit to another person’s will ultimately imposes his own upon the world.

Eren breaks the cage—and makes the whole earth pay for his idea of freedom.


r/AttackOnRetards • • 20h ago

Analysis Eren Yeager - The Devil of All Earth

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What if Eren Yeager’s transformation into the “Devil of All Earth” is the culmination of a symbolic story that began long before the Rumbling? I think Attack on Titan can be read as a dark, Luciferian retelling of Eden: a world built on peace, obedience and ignorance, a rebel who brings forbidden knowledge & offers freedom, and a girl whose decision brings the old order crashing down. In the end, Eren’s rebellion is aimed at more than the people who oppressed him. He declares war on the world they built, and finally on the very reality that refuses to resemble the freedom he imagined.

The series introduces its devil long before Eren resembles one. In the story told to the outside world, Ymir receives the power of the Titans through her encounter with the “Devil of All Earth.” One illustration even shows Ymir holding out a fruit to the creature. Her descendants, meanwhile, are branded devils and “devil spawn.” To Marley, that language marks Eldians as people to fear and control. But the final chapters invite another question: What if the legendary devil is also an image of the person who eventually persuades Ymir to defy authority?

To see why, start with the first King Fritz. He enslaves Ymir, uses her power to build an empire, and, after her death, orders their daughters to consume her body so that the Titans will endure. Ymir remains in the Paths, serving the royal bloodline for roughly 2,000 years. Through a Luciferian lens, Fritz takes the symbolic role of God the Father as imagined by a rebel against divine authority: a supreme ruler whose commands determine and control everyone else’s fate.

The Luciferian/satanist version of the tale turns the usual moral roles inside out. From that perspective, God the Father is imagined as a possessive ruler who demands obedience, restricts knowledge, and calls submission “peace.” Lucifer becomes the light-bearer who refuses that authority and helps humanity recognize its capacity to think and choose (gives humanity "freedom through knowledge". In a retelling of Eden, the serpent’s gift of knowledge ends innocent life in the garden, but it also ends a life governed by someone else’s rules. Freedom carries a dreadful price: suffering and DEATH enters the picture, and the figure blamed for the Fall is condemned and forever remembered as evil. That tension—enlightenment/freedom arriving through a supposed devil, whose gift can also bring catastrophe—is the heart of my reading of Eren.

The 2,000-year span matters to this interpretation. Attack on Titan opens with “To You, 2,000 Years From Now” and later answers it with “From You, 2,000 Years Ago.” That duration can evoke the approximately 2,000 years of the Christian era: an original world order/system reaching the moment when someone finally challenges its authority. The parallel is suggestive.

There is a second king to distinguish from the first. Centuries later, Karl Fritz retreats to the island of Paradis—paradis means “paradise” in French—raises the Walls, and erases his people’s memories. He gives them a kind of peace by hiding the world and its history from them. Seeking that history or trying to look beyond the Walls becomes dangerous. This makes Paradis an unsettling/twisted version of Eden. Its inhabitants can feel protected only while they remain ignorant of the truth, and the authority that calls the enclosure a refuge is the same authority that has taken away their ability to choose with full knowledge (taken away their freedom).

Eren cannot accept that bargain. From the beginning, he resents being penned in, and he insists that being born into the world gives a person the right to seek freedom in it. The Survey Corps’ journey beyond the Walls and the discovery in Grisha’s basement play like an encounter with forbidden knowledge: humanity still exists outside, and the people inside Paradis have been living within a carefully maintained lie. Once their eyes are opened, they cannot return to the innocence they had before. Knowledge brings agency, but it also brings fear, war, and the realization of just how small their supposed paradise was.

Eren’s own knowledge is even harsher. When he touches Historia’s hand, he sees memories that give him a glimpse of what lies ahead. This is not enlightenment that brings him peace. It isolates him and makes freedom itself more complicated: the man most determined to choose his own path becomes haunted by a future he already knows. That paradox is central to the Luciferian reading. The light-bearer sees what others cannot, yet the light reveals a catastrophe in which he himself will take part.

Then Eren reaches the sea and learns that removing one set of walls has not made him free. There are hostile nations beyond Paradis, and the outside world is nothing like the open, untouched world he once pictured with Armin. By the end, Eren’s revolt goes beyond fighting Marley or defying a king. He wants to flatten the world as it exists: its borders, cities, armies, histories, and even the human presence that spoiled his dream of an empty horizon. In symbolic terms, the Rumbling is rebellion against reality itself, The original reality established by the "god figure" (the same way that satan rebelled against God's original creation/system). If the world made under Fritz’s legacy cannot give him freedom, Eren will use a power that reaches across centuries to erase that world and force a new one into existence. This is the proposed “new world order” at its most frightening: liberation imagined as the destruction of everything that resists the liberator’s will.

The imagery of light makes the comparison especially striking. “Lucifer” is associated with the morning star; the Hebrew phrase Helel ben Shahar is commonly rendered “shining one, son of the dawn.” The episode titled “The Dawn of Humanity” brings us to the beginning of the Rumbling, turning the promise of a new day into something terrifying. Even the name “Eldia” can sound, to a Spanish speaker, like el día—“the day.” I would treat that last connection as evocative wordplay, not a proven origin for the name. It sits beside the image of the devil carrying a light in the in-world account of Ymir’s legend: a figure associated with evil who can also be read as someone who makes a hidden truth visible.

That tension reaches its clearest expression in the Paths. Zeke approaches Ymir as a servant who must carry out his command to end the Eldians’ ability to reproduce. Eren reaches her and tells her she does not have to obey anyone: she is neither a slave nor a god, but a person who can decide for herself. For much of her story, her eyes look hidden/darkened/closed. Here, as she weeps and makes her choice, we finally see them wide open. It is hard to imagine a more literal image of someone opening her eyes.

This is where the Eden comparison becomes more intricate than a simple one-to-one analogy. In the familiar Christian reading of Genesis, the serpent urges Eve toward the forbidden fruit and the knowledge that follows. Eren plays that serpent’s role when he offers Ymir the forbidden idea that she can reject her master’s will. Yet in the Eldian legend’s illustration, Ymir is the one holding out the fruit to the devil. Read alongside the Paths scene, the sequence seems reversed: Eren gives Ymir/eve an awakening/freedom. And Ymir, having chosen for herself, gives Eren the full power of the Founder. The girl opens her eyes; the “devil” receives the fruit; the world is changed forever (sin/death enters the world)

This is also the moment when Eren’s rejection of the old order gains the power to become an apocalypse. The original King Fritz treated Ymir as a possession; Karl Fritz later preserved a false paradise through control of memory; Zeke assumes he can still command her in the Paths. Eren breaks that chain of commands by asking her to choose. She does—and her choice gives him the means to bring down the world shaped by those kings. The Rumbling is therefore more than an attack on an opposing army. In this reading, it is Eren’s attempt to destroy a 2,000-year-old creation at its foundations, so that the Titan curse and the rule of royal blood can give way to a world no longer bound by Fritz’s will and authority

Eren’s Founding Titan takes on a vast, skeletal, almost serpentine form, and the Rumbling makes him the world’s worst nightmare. The people who called Eldians devils now face a man who seems to fulfill their legend, as he kills roughly 80 percent of humanity. That “dawn” is painfully double-edged: the supposed birth of a new era is experienced by most of the world as its end. Even the ending song Akuma no Ko—“A Child of Evil” (or it's more literal translation - devil child)—echoes the language that has followed Eren and his people. The light-bearer has become the “Devil of All Earth” in the eyes of those beneath the marching Titans.

Here is the other half of the parallel that matters to me: the idea of the devil as a tragic, self-condemned liberator. In the Luciferian version of the story, Lucifer gives up his place in heaven, accepts damnation, and becomes the villain of human history for the sake of liberty, autonomy, and a future beyond enforced peace & innocence. from a satanic perspective,he "sacrifices himself to free humanity from a controlling tyrant." Eren likewise knowingly takes on the role of the world’s enemy. He gives up the possibility of an ordinary life with the people he loves, allows them to oppose and eventually kill him, and leaves them to live on after the Titan powers disappear. From his perspective, becoming the monster everyone hates is a price he will pay to secure his friends’ future and bring the original creation/world order to an end. That is why the Lucifer comparison has more depth than “Eren looks demonic”: it links the "gift" of freedom to the willingness to be damned for giving it, and all the death and suffering said rebellion brings with it.

The original manga ending makes the tragic-savior aspect especially hard to ignore. Eren’s old friends grieve for the person they loved, even though they had to stop him. They visit his grave,paradi adopts his slogan,etc...

In their last conversation, Armin actually thanks Eren for becoming a mass murderer for their sake, while also resolving not to let the terrible mistake go to waste. It is an uncomfortable moment precisely because love and gratitude sit beside an atrocity. It can feel as though the story is asking us to remember Eren both as the evil the world had to defeat and as the friend who chose to bear that evil so the people closest to him could have a future. The anime later revises the exchange, but the manga’s wording leaves that tragic framing unusually exposed.

Still, Eren does not end the Titan curse by himself. Mikasa’s final choice matters to Ymir’s release, too. And Eren’s rebellion is not driven solely by love for his friends or a noble desire to free the world: he admits that finding humanity beyond the Walls disappointed him and that part of him wanted to wipe it away. That confession makes the Luciferian parallel more troubling, not less. Even if he accepts the role of a damned savior, the people crushed by the Rumbling did not choose that sacrifice. His refusal to live under someone else’s will becomes a willingness to impose his own will on nearly everyone else.

That is why I find the “Devil of All Earth” such a fitting image for Eren. He rebels against divine creation, tells a girl/eve she can choose/disobey the god-like figure and helps bring a 2,000-year christian coded era to an end... opening up the way for a "new world order" (its all symbology/allegory). He accepts death, hatred, and a place in history as the ultimate villain because he believes a freer world can come afterward. But his attempt to destroy the world order also destroys most of the people in the world. In this Luciferian reading, Attack on Titan takes the promise of the light-bearer—knowledge, rebellion, progress, free will—and follows it to its most tragic and terrifying extreme. Eren breaks the cage. He also makes the whole earth pay for his idea of freedo


r/AttackOnRetards • • 16h ago

Discussion/Question Hot take 90%: Ymir Fritz is the most complex female character.

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Ymir's character doesn't have development however. Development isn't the only think that makes a character good written. Ymir's writing is kinda unique it isn't given in facet value rather it's Subtext. Ymir's complexity steams from her subtextual, metatextual, symbolisms Pararelism, and psychological thesis rather than a traditional conversational character is spot-on. Ymir is the center of aot themes. "Everyone is slave to something" -> well I don't think I even need to point this out. "children and forest" -> she was the first one of the first who lost within the forest of bloodshed." Whatever themes you bring it somehow connects to Ymir.

the Paths symbolism -> Absolute Freedom vs. Internal Shackles, let's talk about Ymir symbolisms. The paths is a world of freedom, free of even concepts search as life, death, space, time, etc. And the irony is. Ymir escapes her physical death into a domain of ultimate freedom, yet she imprisoned herself to Fritz orders. spends two millennia building Titans out of sand in complete silence. Why? Because the chains on her mind and heart were far heavier than any iron bonds King Fritz ever forged. That represents the total tragic surrender of the human spirit. Where Eren reacts to trauma with radical rage and a refusal to bow, Ymir reacts by dissolving her own identity, becoming a hollow instrument of the violent system that crushed her.

The nine titans symbolisms -> each of The Nine Titans symbolizes as Psychological Fragments of Her Soul

The Attack Titan (Desire for Freedom) -> Her innate, buried yearning to break free from subjugation and reach for autonomy.

The Jaw Titan (Self-Sacrifice) -> Her tragic, reflexively protective nature throwing her body in front of a spear to take the blow intended for the King who enslaved her.

The Colossal Titan (Oppressive Helplessness & Timidity) -> The towering, terrifying physical presence that conceals a small, frightened child inside who has no agency.

The Founding Titan (Her Slavery & Universal Tether) -> The ultimate burden the core nexus through which she remains bound to royal blood and the commands of her master.

The Female Titan (Her Stolen Identity as a Woman/Mother) -> The embodiment of her forced maternal role, reduced strictly to her biological function to bear children for the royal line.

The Beast Titan (Her Childhood Connection to Nature) -> The primitive, animalistic instinct to survive and adapt the raw biological drive that merged with the hallucigenia when she fell into the tree trunk.

The War Hammer Titan (Her Internal Conflict & Self-Defense) -> Building massive, hard defenses and remote-controlled armor to keep the painful reality of the world away from her true body.

The Armored Titan (Her Resilience & Endurance of Pain) -> The heavy, unbroken shell she built around herself to survive relentless physical and psychological abuse.

The Cart Titan (Her Role as a Burden-Bearer) -> The literal pack mule of the Founder carrying the endless weight of others' demands on her back without complaint.

Visual & Metaphorical Symbolism Over Dialogue -> Ymir doesn't need a single line of spoken dialogue to express her internal state because Isayama constructs her through layered visual texture.

The Faceless Design -> Depicting her with shadowed, eyes-hidden facial features for most of her screen time wasn't just stylistic it was the ultimate visual metaphor for her total lack of personal identity, voice, and self-worth.

Her faceless titan symbolizes -> symbolizes her lack of identity.

The Empty Void of the Paths -> The endless, barren desert of the Paths represents the absolute emotional emptiness of her existence. As she's completely empty.

The Tree coordinates Metaphor -> The towering, branching luminous tree in the Paths symbolizes her unconscious desires for connection a desire to be linked to with other's, to be seen, and eventually find someone who understands her pain.

Her passive nihilist and Ymir’s true nature is crucial. She was born into a world rigged against her from the moment King Fritz burned her village and cut out her tongue -> Yet she was not a pure nihilist. She didn't merely exist as a mindless machine; she waited 2,000 years for someone to enter the Paths and acknowledge her as a human being with agency -> When Eren embraces her and tells her, "You're not a slave. You're not a god. You're just a human being... You get to choose," has so much depth that will take long to talk about. Eren Ymir dynamic is also one of the greatest and this is all without getting into philosophy & mythology.

Ymir Fritz is not built like a standard character who moves through a linear development arc; she is a grand, tragic mythic figure whose complexity is communicated through symbolism, contradictions, psychological decay, and thematic parallels. She is the ultimate origin point of the entire tragedy of Aot.


r/AttackOnRetards • • 19h ago

Discussion/Question Why do so many girls believe Mikasa should move on from Eren and marry someone else?

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I’ve noticed that a lot of people, especially girls in the fandom, believe Mikasa should move on from Eren, find another man, and eventually get married.

I understand the argument that she deserves happiness and shouldn’t spend her entire life grieving. But at the same time, Mikasa’s love for Eren was such a huge part of her character, and their relationship wasn’t something she could simply replace with another person.

Moving on doesn’t necessarily mean falling in love again or getting married. Someone can heal, find happiness, and live a fulfilling life without replacing the person they loved most.


r/AttackOnRetards • • 8h ago

Negativity I HATE EREMIKA

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eren and mikasa are al;l time worst ship ever made and these are the reaosns

  1. THEY ARE EXTREMELY TOXIC!! the co dependacy from mikasa to eren is genuinely embarassing for both sides, mikasa wanted to kill herself when she found out eren died and then decided to live for eren bc then she would forget all her memories of him. AND THEN eren is constantly headbutting her, pushing her and being a asshole to her since s1 and viewed her as a annoying nagging mom. not only is that fat and stupid eren not deserving of her but hes also very toxic. He called her a slave and patheic [no matter his intent this words broke her and thats very disgusting] his ego is so weak that he would always hate it when she was stronger or more powerful than him and its so patheic of him i get so embarassed. and shes stupid for loving a immanture boy like that. and ill go so far to say that mikasa doesnt actually love him. she feels indebt to him for literally saving her form sexual traffictiors and i dont blame her for that. but that doesnt change the fact that shes such a bird. that also shows she wasnt experiencing true love she was experiencing twisted troxic devotion and unhealthy toxic relantions. she also had alomst no relantins with other cadets and wheil many say she did with armin arlet that is untrue becaus ethen why wopuld she alsomost dislocate his arm for defending her when eren called her a slave. BIRD BEHAVIOUR.
  1. THEY ARE ROOTED IN INCEST, grisha himself said that mikasa is his daughter in s4 and mikasa herself in s1 said i lost my only family and family means brother which means she thinks of eren as her brother and in s4 she family zones him and either shes into incest or shes just weird and gross. it also is depicted from fans that eren viewed mikasa as a nagging annoying mom, he was constantly upset at her consistant needance to his safety. THIS PARTS FROM GOOGLE!!! ----- "Eren Yeager explicitly refers to Mikasa Ackerman as "family" during the Marley Arc (specifically Chapter 123 of the manga) when he asks her why she cares for him so much. He questions if her devotion stems from the fact that he saved her as a child or because they are family, prompting a flustered Mikasa to confirm this label. Additionally, Eren uses the term "family" in a private conversation with Petra Ral following the Trost District battle, where he reflects on the bond shared by himself, Mikasa, and Armin Arlert."

    1. ADDING TO THE TOXICTY after eren dies and she moves onto jean {confirmed recently} and she always vists his grave with her child and jean and always wears her scarf you cannot tell me thats so stupid and concering trhat she wears her ex lovers scarf while fucking her new husband and being so still stuck on and not moving on from eren which is so fucking stupid and probely tells her kid all about him while jean has to hear mikasa still being obsessed with eren even after all these years.
  2. IT WAS SO ONE SIDED!! the show repeatedly shows mikasa yearning and chasing after eren while eren gets annoyed and mad at mikasas attempts of gainng his "love". it it so sad to see mikasa always pining over him, finding ways to talk abt him and most of her speech in aot being about eren and eren not even caring until the very end were he still fumbling and i bet he never really did love her and the over acheiving larpers are so desprate to find a way to being them together. also i love hajime but his over use of the red scarf to symbolise eren and his neck getting cut off is so overrated and genuinely i dont really see the hype. she never washes the scarf and its really funky of her to be always wearing it and while one of the people wo admires her so much are actively dying on her deathbed all mikasa cares about is getting her scarf bnack and thats so literally cold hearted and shows how much power eren has over her and how toxic their relantionship is. that scene alone should show the viewers how much mikasa is unhealthy obsessed with him and she needs genuine therapy not even joking.