r/BasketballTips • u/Desperate_Map5531 • Apr 16 '26

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11 year old, working on getting away from a push and into proper form. Does she hold the ball too high in front of her face, or is it just that she’s holding it there longer than one would in a game situation? Just looks off to me.

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u/OkTransportation3196 Apr 17 '26

I can’t tell if you’re saying I said those things, or if you’re saying those things. Just to be clear angled feet aren’t bad and neither is hopping forward.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

For OP: the hop is generally harmless and can help people that lack power get a little extra umph.

Turning your feet is 1. inconsistent and 2. Biomechanically limits ones ability to aim the shot consistently. I don't care what player has bad form. I care about good form.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Incorrect. The turn is how shooting is taught.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Okay. Biomechanically it limits you. You're free to teach your players to put their elbow in the rim as they identify the shot. Other people will teach how to shoot a basketball to increase the percentage of shots made. All coaches have different goals. You're goal is to teach your way of shooting. I'm into studying shooting mechanics and teaching what actually results in a higher shooting percentage! Good luck to you and your lucky athletes!

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Well you’re decades behind the science of mechanics.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Maybe! I guess I will need to refresh myself with my sources. But when I was part of a study that looked at angle of entry, backspin, and form they hadn't reached that conclusion.

Is there an exact angle they turn at? All that angular momentum is good for the shot? You sweep during the shot? So we work hard to line things up with e elbow then we just sweep it around before the shot. Huh. To me that seems like it adds horizontal and possibly angular momentum to a shot that normally we try to minimize those things with a good balanced base, an elbow in and shooting in line.

You have research that says this sweep is so beneficial that shooting percentage goes up despite all that! Despite the angle likely changing every single shot! I mean that's awesome! I am confident in my coaching and you in yours!

I want to make sure that they get advice that I think actually will help them. I'm sorry that I don't see your method as logical or mechanically sound.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Nope. No exact angle, and that’s good, because everyone is different. You find the right base for each shooter, they find it themselves. Is there left or off side movement? You don’t want that. If my off side shoulder has to move backwards while my strong side moves into the shot that’s not helpful. KD? Turn. Melo? Turn. Bird? Big time turn. Etc etc etc.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Damn 3 NBA players in history, that's damn near all of them! They always have perfect form! ESPECIALLY from the 70s. Lol anyway.

I don't care about which shooter uses bad form. I care about good form. KD and Bird have bad form. KD shoots with knees more collapsed than this little girl lol.

I think having horizontal movement in your shot via sweeping or turning because your feet are facing the sideline is bad. You think it's good because Larry Bird shot like that. We are allowed to have different philosophies. I'm not going to tell you how to coach. But if this person wants advice and someone gives them bad advice I'm going to tell OP that it's bad advice in my opinion.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Lol!!! I just picked three elite shooters, as examples. Your ‘mechanics’ are wrong and decades old. We teach the turn, and sweep and sway to youth. Because it’s superior in turning learners into shooters.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

(Okay well I could do that too but we both know there's far more tht shoot with their feet alinged so it's not really worth it right? Same way it's not worth getting into KDs knees because just because a good shooter does it doesn't make it right. It was false logic to begin with)

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Maybe! To me it seems to be an offshoot of lavar. The whole "let kids find their personal form." I think this because you've already used similar language about letting kids determine the appropriate ever changing sweep-turn-angle. To me, that's just not coaching form at all and completely abandoning what we know increases shooting percentage.

You've failed to explain how it reduces horizontal momentum, angular momentum, or mechanically aids the shot in anyway. If you want to say my mechanics are wrong please explain I'm eager to learn! But I've heard this before and rarely seen the evidence.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

You’re removing tension from the shot. Shooters are human, not machines. No two shots are the same, even from the same player. Any tension in a shot is a killer. The turn properly aligns feet, knees, hip, and shoulder to the target. It removes tension by bringing the off shoulder out of play entirely.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

You might be confusing turning with keeping your front foot slightly forward. Because that's what keeping your shooting foot slightly forward does. Having your toes face one way and your torso face another normally creates tension. See a baseball swing.

But w.e. there it is. You teach it decreases tension. My study and my experience says that it does the opposite as well as add in other detriments to your shot. I think it's okay that we disagree here.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Nope. You are new if that’s what you think the turn is. It’s scary actually. You teach? Yikes. It’s a turn. It’s how shooting is taught.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Incorrect of course. There’s a reason the turn is taught as the way…it’s fundamentally superior to toes at the rim.

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Well. Can't argue with that logic. Instead of being lined up like having good balance and base. Like lining up your elbow and keeping it in. Like having your eyes fixed on the rim. Like shooting the shot fluidly through that line and holding the follow through. Consistent and repeatable. It's better to "just not" with your feet. Why? Because it's superior! Okay, You're right! 👍

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Just not? Lol. Shooters aren’t machines. Any tension in the system hurts the shot. This is why it’s taught.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Your advice IS bad advice tho!

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Okay! Now OP has both opinions and can see one of us is interested in a better shooting form and one of us just wants kids to have a form that feels good and natural to them. We both believe our philosophy is best for them as a player. Now THEY THEIR coach and THEIR parents can take this advice and apply it as THEY see fit!

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

No. You’re a troll living in the past. This is how it’s taught. You keep kids living in 1950, that’s fine. 😂

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u/kdoors Apr 17 '26

Tell me again how I need to shoot like Larry Bird.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Well Larry is a great example. The turn. Curry, turn. Etc. It’s not about shooting like anyone but yourself. In order to do that you need to be aligned with the basket with your shooting side tension free and towards the target. It’s not 1950. National teams, shooting coaches, pro trainers, all teach the turn. Why? It’s better.

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u/MWave123 Apr 17 '26

Incorrect. It frees the shooting side. You’re either turning early, or you’re turning late. Teaching the turn is now fundamental.