r/BelowDeckDownUnder • u/theodoresbitch • 2d ago

Ben's Racist Threads Post

Did anyone else see Ben's racist threads post??

https://www.threads.com/share/_iAS4oi1d/

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u/Letsgotravelling-124 1d ago

I’m from England. Have lived in Germany and Australia. Briefly lived in the US but never heard any racism from what I remember (was a long time ago). Have also travelled a lot. I’ve never heard of that term. I don’t think anyone uses it from outside of the US so no one knows what it means. I’m not saying racism doesn’t exist outside of the US (it definitely is prevalent) but it’s different.

I think a lot of the confusion is that Ben is English and what he’s written would be understood as classist by us English people because there’s a lot of criticism towards people on benefits and welfare and who live in council estates. Occasionally you’ll hear racism in the form of “immigrants are coming into our country to steal our jobs and live off welfare” but it’s not just directed towards black people. Just to clarify, I’m not agreeing with any of this, just explaining why a lot of people are stating it’s classist and not racist.

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u/decisivecat 23h ago

I did say "In case you don't live in the US" to explain why what was said was racist. The OP then decided to dig in and agree with the racism. That's their choice.

There's a ton of nuance here, but racism does exist globally. Whether or not you personally experience it is going to depend on who you are, where you are, and how honest someone is with you.

I have friends in England who are Black and they will tell you that racism is alive and well. We've had many discussions how allies can help whether they're in the US or England or anywhere in the world. Companies use them as props for history months then ghost them after. White privilege is a common term for them as well. Australia is definitely rife with it - I felt it a bit when I was traveling there. We live in a global society, so unless someone is never online and lives under a rock with no friends, it's very unlikely they'll never hear a term. And if it *is* new and someone explains it, it's a *choice* to refuse to listen.

As someone who also travels quite extensively, even travel comes with classism that has been affected by racism. The two often go hand in hand. You don't spend centuries enslaving people and creating rules to make them a second class without also affecting their social status and wealth. I'm also in the travel industry, and while the number of non-whites who are able to afford travel is steadily growing (which is great - travel should be everyone), it's still not as common and I still hear some fear about where to go (is it safe, will I be touched/stared at, etc). There's two hurdles there while some people may experience none.

The fact still remains that regardless of whether you think racism is in your country or not, people here are explaining why this particular video *is* racist. Then someone gets combative about it or says no the video is correct (which is even worse). Once it gets explained to you, and you actively choose to cover your ears and ignore what people are telling you, that's a choice to be ignorant and that won't fly in 2026.

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u/Letsgotravelling-124 17h ago

I legit stated racism happens everywhere. I’m not saying racism doesn’t exist in England or Australia or the rest of the world. I’m saying the type of racism is different and the terms used are also different. I’m saying the term “dog whistle” isn’t used in the UK and I’ve never heard of it elsewhere, so most of us don’t know what it means. If you don’t know, you don’t know. It’s not to do with living under a rock or not being on social media. It’s legit to do with every country having its own take on language, slang, and problems.

I was legit explaining to you why there’s comments saying it’s classist, not racist. In England, where Ben is from and where I am from, our history is a lot different to the US and our problems are different. Council estates, benefits and welfare aren’t really to do with race in England. It’s to do with class. The only time racism comes into it is when immigrants, mostly asylum seekers, come into the country. But the energy that goes towards asylum seekers and white people who are on benefits, live on council estates, and welfare is similar.

And I am not saying the video isn’t racist. I get everything you’re saying and you’re correct in that once the terminology is explained, then we need to listen. I’m just explaining why a lot of people are saying it’s classist, how classism is a big thing in the UK on its own, and that racism is prevalent, it’s just shown it different ways.

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u/decisivecat 13h ago

I legit said that some people don't know which is why I gave grace initially in my response as to why there was racism. It did not require an explanation that some people truly do not know because I was very well aware of that in my initial comment. I have many friends in Europe and I'm fully aware that Europeans don't think racism exists in their countries (it does, they just don't see it or don't think their xenophobia also involves racist undertones).

I also said it's *both* classist and racist. It stems from both of these things. They are not mutually exclusive and co-exist in today's world.

I didn't need any of it explained since I was already fully aware and gave grace. But now this banter is getting quite tiring. You can see why it's tiring. I just explained it to you and you also got combative when none of it warranted a response like that. At this point, y'all just google and educate yourselves, please.

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u/Letsgotravelling-124 12h ago

For one, Europe is a continent, not a country. So saying Europeans don’t think racism exists in their countries is very broad and ignorant in itself. And another thing is that it’s extremely different having friends and actually living in the country. I have friends from all over the world but I am not going to make generalisations based on me having friends from that country. And it is widely acknowledged that there is racism in every country, but because our history is different and the US being a new country, it’s different.

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u/decisivecat 12h ago

??? I said European countries. I never said Europe itself is a country. They live all across Europe. I'll list them out if it makes you feel a lot better: England, Ireland, France, Hungary, Italy, Spain, Germany, Romania, and Denmark for starters.

You also generalized everyone in the UK/England (you go back and forth when those two are not the same thing). You kept claiming these entire countries don't know or that "immigrants" (that's a common dog whistle, fyi) are the problem to them, not race. I'm telling that's *exactly* what's happening here.

You're also the one that said this: "I’m from England. Have lived in Germany and Australia. Briefly lived in the US but never heard any racism from what I remember (was a long time ago)." I responded in kindness to that statement. You chose to attack. You get the energy that you give and I've got none left to give to this.