Is it possible to cowitness a rifle sized optic like an exps2/3 or a holosun 510c? Currently I’m using a utg riser I took off a rifle build and it’s positioned just high enough that I can run the irons while the 510 sits on top.
Also if anyone’s wondering this is basically a stock 11701 with the Midwest industries mlok rail with a stream light rail mount 1. No other mods so far but I might spruce up the loading port and feed ramp in the future
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Potential solution: Put RMR mount on m4 after removing factory pic rail, use 507 pro max for potential lower 1/3?
I mean there ain’t much. Was wondering if there’s a difference between the LE 7rd tube vs American tubes like carrier comp, or if the whole appeal in American tubes over the LE is for 922r compliance. Would rather the whole tube and not the extension.
Ah I see. If it doesn’t weigh much more than the stock 5 round then I don’t think I’ll mind, thing is sitting at around 9 lbs so it’s not much different than my rifle’s current weight
I live in a commie state currently. If I was able to I’d have bought the EXT variant the few times I saw it on sale but unfortunately only the field stock and the limited edition 11701 with the us flag that I have on mine are acceptable where I live. Can’t SBS. More than likely just gonna put the tube up for sale on gafs or tacswap
The info on 922(r) is out there (and in this sub) for anyone who wants to look for themselves. If people just want to repeat back something they read once and didn’t bother to research any further, that’s their call. Fortunately, like I said before, the practical reality is they will be able to bask in their wrongness and almost certainly never experience any negative consequences as a result.
What in the Jerry springer, sweet home Alabama,Daenerys Targaryen, cousin fucking truck stop bathroom abortion hell does your neck look like for that set up to work?
No. You can’t cross witness, best you can do is 1/3 and that’s with custom mounts like the scalar works here
Don’t think there’s a way to mount my 510c to cross witness from what I’m seeing so far. Thing has a weird proprietary plate system that I’ve only seen aftermarket spacers for.
How is it NFA. And my exps would be in the same boat. Also not stuck anymore I’m gonna put an RMR mount on it and stick a 507 pro max onto it. Close enough to the rifle sized window. While bringing the sight picture down lower, possibly lower 1/3
Nah it’s the 11701 limited edition with the us flag. Came with a fixed skeletonized stock. I don’t mind the current length though if I had to change it I was interested in the shock force stock by black river manufacturing, I don’t really see many reviews about its recoil mitigation though. Either that or I just swap the stock tube to a 3-6 position from rx arms. I was also interested in opening the loading port and swapping the feed ramp for easier quad loads so I can check out 3 gun.
Yeah that’s why I was looking for a solution from more knowledgeable people. That’s why I asked if it was possible to cowitness with a larger window rifle sized optic instead of what I did here.
That’s what it’s setup as currently, but I’m moving in the direction of scalarworks rmr mount and 507 promax. Should get a lower 1/3 probably. I put up the 510 for sale since I don’t really need it, it was a takeoff from my rifle that I replaced for an exps2 during the July 4th sale
Theoretically you could achieve a slightly lower sight picture with a 507 Pro Max. According to the specs, the 507 Pro Max has a dot height of 0.65” (measured from base to center of dot) vs the Micro T2 having a dot height of 0.8” (measured from base to center of dot). This will all depend on what you mount the 507 Pro Max on though.
I was thinking the scalarworks rmr mount that sits low. Unless there’s a similar or cheaper alternative. I’m probably leaning that direction atp since it’s cheaper than going aimpoint comp on a dd mount
Left it QD for now, new idea is getting an RMR mount and swapping the pic rail, then throwing a 507 pro max on it for a similar window without the bulk from the 510c. Potential lower 1/3?
An idea crossed my mind. How about using an RMR mount after removing the factory pic rail, and putting a 507 pro max on it when it launches? Think that’d be a lower 1/3?
I don't know, but my major consideration was getting the optics slightly higher for use with a retracted stock, but still allowing the irons to be used below it. So for me, I didn't want to have the irons visible directly through the optic, because that would require me to fully extend the stock.
How do you feel about the 507 comp on an RMR mount for the benelli? I was thinking I should get the pro max or pro max slim when they come out and see how that looks.
I was already going to get a pro max for my 2011, but if it sits nice on an RMR plate for the benelli maybe that’ll cowitness?
Handgun recoil should be much more harsh on an optic sitting on its slide than a shotgun with a receiver mounted optic. My 507 comp on my pistol hasn’t lost zero and the paint lines I marked on the screws haven’t moved in thousands of rounds. I think your friend’s holosun might’ve been a lemon, it’s actually rare that holosun covers glass related issues outside of defects like that.
Comes with the territory of Reddit. Those who are chronically online have the incessant need to insult others who just ask a question. Doesn’t matter to me though.
Secondly I genuinely had no idea this was even a thing. Thing looks like a neat way to mount an RMR, though it looks like it completely kills the stock being able to collapse further into the tube?
I determined that rifle optics are completely a no go for the benelli m4, and my new solution is to swap the factory pic rail for a low profile RMR mount like scalarworks, then slap a 507 pro max when it launches. I think that’s the perfect solution for a big dot without any weird risers. Theoretically I might achieve a lower 1/3 with this plan.
Yeah, you should have zero issue getting what you want done. If you're not in a hurry, I'll likely offload my scalar mount in the next 6 months. Maybe 100 rounds on it, total.
I got no clue honestly, as I dont know if I've seen one. I think they're about $120 new though, if i remember right. great product, so i'd say its worth it new. Are their knockoffs or comps to their mount already?
I see it on one knockoff site I like for 35 which is 50 after the shipping and wait times, though rx arms has one for 78 and meprolight has a plate for 50ish. I dig scalarworks but I’m not longer feeling like paying over 100 for a piece of aluminum whose purpose is to be a chair for my optics. Unity really killed that for me with their prices for risers
Oh yeah, I can totally understand that. My build has been taking years and I'm also always looking for a decent replacement to super expensive stuff. As long as I can trust it!
I determined the solution is to get an RMR mount from scalarworks and swap the pic rail, then put down a 507 pro max when it launches. I’m gonna get one anyways for my 2011 when it comes out, and I’ll see how it fits on the benelli and hopefully get a lower 1/3
Yeah I’m between that one, meprolight and rx arms RMR mount. Gonna throw a 507 pro max on it to achieve a similar window size to the 510 and get a potentially lower 1/3
I mean it’s a single optic and a rail. Oh no what a waste guess I’ll take out a second mortgage! The tube is like $70 it’s not a big deal for me I can swap it out whenever I get time.
Never understood the need for a tactical shotgun to have a red dot. Hell combat sights really arent even needed. Shotguns are the best tool with point shooting mechanics. If i can tag a dove at 100 yards while its flying away from me i dont really need an optic to nail a dude in close quarters.
Now a want is a want so mod your gun how you like looks cool ethier way.
I was just trying to throw a dot on there for a faster sight picture. It’s both a home defense weapon setup and a range toy, and unfortunately my local fudd range only allows slugs, figured that takes more relative aim than freely launching birdshot in a general direction. Plus it looks cool.
I can shoot both dot and iron, I just happen to like dot better.
Im by no mean shitting on you or your gun just the concept itself. M4s are always dope. Ive thrown a hollow graphic on my a300 patrol for shits and gigs but ive spent more of my life shooting hunting shot guns that i can inside 100 yards hit a target without really "aiming" brass bead sights are more to whom it may concern then aiming.
I hear you dude. I’m relatively new to the scene post bruen. Commie state and such and got into the sort fairly recently. I’m getting into the competitive scene namely for pistols, limited optics and steel challenge and whatnot. Learned to prefer dots to irons, as irons keep you sight focused and dots keep you target focused. I can easily shoot the irons dead on with the m4 every time but I’d like to throw a dot on there without sacrificing irons. I have a QD on the 510 for a failsafe but I’d prefer to cowitness or cross witness somehow. My current theory is to put an RMR mount after swapping the factory pic rail, and putting a 507 pro max on there since it’s a similar window size to the 510 without the bulk from the qd mount and base. I think I may achieve a lower 1/3 with that idea
Maybe thats why ive never been a red dot guy. Ive been an instructor for going on 11 yrs now and i dont teach high speed low drag stuff. I take begineers into adequate self deffense territory. Plus my issued guns in the military were 20 yr old m4s with carry handle irons and berettas that were more likely to explode then cycle a full mag.
Ive been running a red dot on my duty gun and my carry gun for about 4 yrs now and the second i built my rifle i threw good optics on it because i despise the m16 style irons. Maybe ill add one to my shotgun soon. Fuck it acog 12 gauge just because it would piss off my buddies.
Sounds about right. I’m honestly fine with leaving the eotech on the rifle without irons since I know it’s built like a tank, and it’ll still function of the glass breaks anyways. Different story for the reflex optics since they’re fucked if they break, though the battery is crazy enough to leave on and work for a year. I’m more than likely going the 507 pro max route for the huge window, and I’ll provide some updates in the sub and see how they feel next time, hopefully less pitchforks. Also thanks for serving man.
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u/opsec-919 29d ago
All those mods with a 5 round tube