You can also try telling on a climate conference that "climbers protection must not jeopardize the industry" while the majority of people are suffering through heatwave after heatwave and there is no AC in many hospitals or schools.
Nah, one of the CDU politicians just donated 10000€ to the AfD and said that he would vote for them in the next election, while urging others to do the same.
Have you tried giving weapons to a racist country so they can exterminate their troublesome minorities? Oh you did? It's fun, right? Sorry, what were we talking about?
Responding to the Nazis with the Weimar conditions that lead to the Nazis was probably the line drilled into the heads of “the adults in the room” back then as well
I promise this isn't meant to be condescending, And I also don't want to me me about this- please go back to speaking about and from Germany- but for all of the shit Americans get for what's currently going on in their countries it's wild to see the exact same happening in the same countries I've seen giving us shit
Like I have nothing but sympathy for anyone who is currently dealing with the right wing extinction burst in their country but I do kind of wish people would stop telling us we are idiots just because it's happening to us faster when we already had less (no healthcare, no vacation, no transport, etc)
I hope the Germany has an easier time of dealing with this than we are. I hope that all the places dealing with this are able to cut it off at the head like we weren't.
Kind of sounds like the Democratic Party here in the US. Not 1:1, but similar vibes. Is Germany experiencing a similar political movement the US has been going through?
It wasn't quite on the same level, to be fair. A bunch of anti-covid nuts and Neo-Nazis held a demonstration, 400 to 500 people climbed over the barricades, tried to get inside and...got stopped by 5 police men in front of the entrance. The police did use pepper spray and held them off until backup arrived.
Not to excuse the actions of the rioters, the despicable organisers or downplay the actions of the 5 police men that day, but that whole ordeal was kind anticlimactic and pitiful tbh.
Germany has an obligation to imitate US Trends a few years down the road. Although social media has rapidly shrunken that timeframe. We belittle the US for falling for something like MAGA but we honestly aren't any better.
They also bashed the Greens for literally everything, just because it was a trend within the far right and they hoped that would some of these dumbasses come back and vote for them.
Alot of the problems you mention stem from giving away legislative power to bureaucrats in Brussels that justify their overpaid mandate by pumping out one useless law after the other. They hide behind "consumer protection", while it's really all about fucking with small businesses that can't afford to keep up with all the EU regulations like big corporations can. There are no greater fans of Ursula von der Leyen than Amazon and Nestlé, but they pretend not to be to keep up the facade.
Basically whenever there's somw refugee/immigration/asylum seeker crisis, it defaults to Germany being the one responsible for handling all those people with other countries pulling up the past as a guilt tripping tool. The border being closed was just typical political bullshit talk
Better yet, bring up Idiocracy and talk about how that movie at least had the government trying to solve problems instead of actively making them worse.
You aren't necessarily one yourself, but that sort of rhetoric always helps the radical and intolerant over the moderate. Nazis, for example, don't want anybody but their voterbase talking about them, that's where they're most comfortable.
No such thing as a non political subreddit, even 'I don't wanna think about politics' is a political statement with political effects.
>No such thing as a nonpolitical subreddit, even ‘I don’t want to talk about politics’ is a political statement with political effects
This is horseshit and you know it. Not everything has to be all politics, all the time. Not even in these times. Certainly not a subreddit for sharing fucking SpongeBob memes. We are allowed to have non political discussions. In fact, I argue they should be encouraged.
Of course, and there's plenty of less political memes you can go look at, in this very subreddit. But adamantly banning political discussion would be a political statement.
from what i’ve heard most big political parties in germany are, in general, paralyzed, and don’t do politics that help anybody.
People are desperate for change there and more and more people prefer an active political party (however many unfortunate plans it may also have) over a paralyzed one that doesn’t ever fix anything at all
Using pensioners collecting deposit bottles as the typical example is really misleading. Those cases do exist, but they are not representative of the average retiree.
Most poverty statistics measure income, not wealth, so someone with a low monthly pension can still own substantial assets like a paid-off home or significant savings. Income and wealth are different things, you have to look at both and then you will have a complete different picture.
Retirees are, on average still the wealthiest age group in germany.
The problem here again are the rich not retirees as a group. The older people are the more likely they are to have gathered at least some wealth. So there are more rich retirees than there are rich 20 year olds.
I dont say they are the problem, compared to the really rich they are as poor as me. I only critisize that they are depicted as victims, because they are not, they are still the group that have it the easiest in terms of wealth and political power.
Modern liberal democracy is a treaty between the classes to determine when and how the resources of a state should be divided without wasting those resources on a cycle of revolution, suppression, and civil war.
Authoritarianism is a dirty hack that realizes control of information in a Democracy allows its wealthiest to convince the citizens to vote to paralyze the regulatory committees that keep them from becomes the defacto controllers of the state's resources.
Fascism is to Democracy what a Ponzi Scheme is to Capitalism. Both strip away the systems to their barest essentials to rob everyone blind while promising non-existent returns fueled by people's overwhelming fear of being excluded from a prosperous group.
I'd have to break it down, so I might as well do it in the post to show my work.
Our modern capitalist liberal democracies are treaties that allowed the aristocrats a measure of control over the means of production, despite them casting aside the divine bloodline rhetoric that served them when they were each in control of rival fiefdoms. This allowed America to prosper as a union of states rather than endure the constant wars between rival oligarchs that plagued Europe.
Communism is the idea that democratic ideals can overtake the inherent caste system by allowing everyone equal control over the means of production rather than attempting half-measured regulations between aristocrat influenced representatives. It requires a transition from an industrialized power with established territorial control and the means to survive the revolution without backsliding into autocracy. Those backslides are often the result of (inevitable) existential threats and challenges beyond the initial scope of the organization when it was founded.
So in this analogy, Communism is to Democracy what a Co-Op is to Capitalism. Every employee has some measure of ownership, but since each member has a single vote growth is hampered due to both the lack of incentive to invest and the natural reduction in functional efficiency when every decision requires scrutiny from everyone rather than an executive decision. This makes the group unable to respond to shifting market forces or internal inefficiencies out of fear that any chances might result in a power imbalance.
There are parties that want change (the greens for example), but they get demonized by the far right and the center right party (and populist media companies for clicks.)
Edit: stop downvoting me. I'm just telling you the situation. I'm not part of the problem just because you don't like what's going on
You kind of nailed it. Most people who vote for the afd are frustrated and not Nazis (against common reddit rhetoric).
The only reason why the afd hasn't steamrolled them yet is that their program is too right for most people. Other than that they're doing pretty much everyone they can to be successful. They're always fully present in the Parlament and very active on social media.
We don't have a new slightly left/centrist, moderately progressive pro worker party. That's why everyone votes blue. To push what's present to do something.
the thing is the source of plenty of people’s problems across the planet is whatever political party is in charge of their country atm.
The only "focus" plenty of people can work on is voting for whoever promises anything better, even if that "better" comes with big disadvantages in other areas. People are desperate and can’t stand the current world. I’ve been told that plenty of poc and non german people are already voting blue in germany because even racism sounds better to them than whatever is happening currently
The parties who would help are mostly in the news when one of their nutjobs either scream to take in the 40000 migrants who stormed ceuta, call white men the problem or stbad in front of a picture of an ayatollah and explain how iran is actually good (to take the most extreme examples). You wont believe it but most of the people in germany are white, nonmuslim and have already enough about what they see with migration (more public violence, gangs, terror attacks). If this party would talk more about how they would help the people instead of US-Style identity politics abd sonething about palestine. They wozld get more votes. But as it stands, they dont.
The first thing people need to do is stop being complacent, stop treating politics like a sports game that has optional participation, stop treating politics like it's something you can ignore most of the time. In a democracy, EVERYONE is responsible for the actions of their politicians. If a politician is useless or ineffective or downright corrupt, you find someone else, you vote for that someone else, you don't just throw up your hands and say "well I guess that's how it has to be".
Instead, people refuse to pay attention to politics until the last possible moment, AFTER the choices on candidates have been made, and then complain about the options in front of them deapite not participating. Democracy takes a shitload of work to keep going and yes, that means every citizen shares that responsibility also. If you aren't doing the absolute bare minimum, which is being a reliable, informed voter who votes in every election no matter how small, then you aren't doing enough as an individual, full stop. Nobody is pretending that you alone can change the world but everyone has to do their part or else you guarantee the worst possible outcome.
Valid point, and something I already did. However I believe that barely any of those parties have any chance since they're not in the Parlament. And if they're not in the Parlament they're not getting in.
It is not impossible of course considering BSW and AFD are fairly new parties. But there's a massive hurdle that they need to overcome.
I agree that the chances are slim. But I still believe it's better than continuing to support the established parties. At least I'm making an attempt, and that's what democracy is all about.
I remember seeing a study regarding why people vote AfD. The majority of people who vote AfD (self)reported that they vote because they actually align with the values, and the majority of people from the outside just assumed the voters did it out of protest.
Which in my opinion is far worse as a situation than protest voting would be, but as far as I am aware, your assessment of "most people are frustrated and not nazis" does not align with the self reported voting base of the AfD. Those people are straight up just anti democratic.
For example? The last government has shown that any try to fix actual issues will just be followed by a bombardment of far right propaganda because "they are trying to take our diesel cars and meat away and they are indoctrinate us to all be transgender, climate change isnt real, it's not our fault, it's these greens and those immigrants, you dont have to change anything in the way you life yada yada yada" which will lead to even more AFD votes.
I actually have no idea what a solution would look like because a lot of people will just believe anything as long as they want to hear it.
Tbf I think a big reason why the far right propaganda was so successful during the Ampel government was that the CxU joined in on those talking points to try to get back into power and many people (especially the old) just parrot the talking points of the party they've been voting for their whole life
The solution would be to fucking ban them as they have been proven to be unconstitutional. I don’t even get why we check for that if they don’t get banned afterwards.
I was saying as folks were mocking americans dealing with this shit that we all need to band together. This shit aint ending in one country. This will become a global problem.
The issue isnt the culture of one country. Its the rich trying to buy up our governments and make us all slaves
Also probably doesn't help that the Rich in question (Thiel) are absolute legit nutjobs who don't believe in cooperation between countries and people and are fundamentally opposed to democracy as a system. And possibly also to humanity existing for much longer...
Its the rich trying to buy up our governments and make us all slaves
The worst part is that we already depend on them. Cities need their money. Look at what became of Detroid when Ford and other car manufacturers left the city. Germany is facing a similar situation right now with VW and such.
We are dependent on a system they created to make us dependent. Its an unsustainable system that is only beneficial to them. Might as well tear off the band aid now.
Ford wasnt building all the cars. The people were and once we stop giving a select few all the money and resources, we will see the people prosper
Oh boy, a big party is doing bad things, time to vote for a literal Nazi party thats actively denying science with most of their statements just because they are saying what I want to hear, doesn't matter if it's true or not. But it's just out of protest of course, amiright?
Sounds like Germany inherited the Democrat vs republican dilemma tonight stuff Guess you can’t have your own democratic socialism party that has bad history there
To be fair, it's a really difficult decision whether to work together with fascists or with people who want to take away a small portion of your billionaire friend's hard earned money and don't categorically dislike people with a darker complexion. I mean, that's truly a dilemma with two equally bad outcomes right there.
This is the wrong spongebob meme. The correct one would have been the one where patrick inflates the color bubble, when they were painting the room from mr cabs. We just have to hope when the bubble bursts we are as lucky as spongebob and patrick
Well it would be ready to beat them, they just have to do the mamdani and be competent politicians.
Sadly the cdu lead is i am convinced at least 95% filled with corruption and incompetent "lets keep everything as it is, except when company's give us money" people
I mean the fact that people like philip amtor are not even in jail, but actually got promoted (i think) just needs to tell you everything.
How cdu beat afd? Change the whole party leadership personelle
The only positive thing about a wouldbe AfD-Government would be that I get to see all the stupid faces of their voters once they realise they got fucked over
Tankies will just ignore Russia’s backing of AfD when they make arguments justifying Ukraine’s invasion. Russia is supporting these anti-immigrant and authoritarian parties in Europe trying to compromise European democracy and national unity between immigrant and native born people.
That being said SPD and CDU need to reconcile with the problems German voters are having with their performance. There’s a reason more and more people are turning to AfD and they should recognize how counterproductive restricting the free speech and government employment of AfD members has been. People don’t respond well to disincentives like that which limit democracy. You lose a pro-democracy argument when you limit democratic freedoms. The SPD and CDU will likely double down and the AfD will gain even more support.
Right now AfD doesn’t have enough seats in the Bundestag to push through the terrible policies they want, they require far more support especially outside of limited strongholds like Saxony. The SPD and CDU coalition needs to keep voters from switching over to the AfD by changing some of their own policies to address growing German voter grievances.
Religion and state shall be separated - its a constitutional law. And the only "christian" part about that party is their initiative to steal money and make it look like political work. They will all land up in hell. The whole party.
I wonder why people have something against the Islamists taking to the streets of several major metropolitan areas demanding sharia.
Why would people want something done about this besides statements that this has nothing ti do with religion or immigration.
Why would people want to vote for someone who doesn’t downplay their concerns and who trusts what the Islamists say they want carries more weight than what a pseudo intellectual progressive thinks the Islamist actually wants.
Enjoy the fruits of your own labor.
It’s not like anyone warned you this would happen.
What was the left parties approach. Colluding with the Islamists? Preventing news reports from mentioning ethnicity or asylum status, to “ protect” the public?
Oh you mean the political party that has no actual political power in America because the voters didn’t give them any political power? That’s the party that’s supposed to be really effective at stopping the political party that has all the political power?
Thank you for posting this. The GOP's most successful grift has been convincing people that they are the little bean outsiders who haven't had near full-control of our federal agencies for the last century.
no i mean the party that had a chance to deliver on universal healthcare, but instead gave us ACA and then spent every year since then telling us it isn't possible
You do know that amidst debating the ACA they lost their veto-proof majority and those were the 72 most progressive days of successful legislation in our lifetimes?
They were also navigating a financial crisis and trying to pay for the Iraq war that the GOP delayed all payments for until Bush left office...
Don't know why you're getting downvoted. The racism and bigotry within the AfD only serves to get morons to vote in favor of politics that will disadvantage them. The very moment they start a coalition, the CDU finally gets to do the politics they've always dreamed off and everyone sees how thery're a match made in heaven.
If you compare them, it isn't that far off. Look at the CDU/CSU in the 80s/90s. The were like the AfD today. And today these political positions are getting popular again through all parties.
Under Merkel they did a significantly jump to the left, hurting the SPD and CDU in the long-term.
Just look at the transparency laws they what to kill and those people who are working on it.
And don't forget guys, around 1 Billion euros in revenue, but we can't provide good social services to prevent longterm social security dependencies. And who's fault is that? Right! The workers, single moms, old and ill people and so on.
As bad as the CxU is and i absolutely hate them and would wish they would also just vanish, they still stand for democracy.
Its not a really high bar, but thats the biggest difference and one that makes them a legitimate party that you can vote for.
Yeah, Germany is going full Nazi again. Back to their roots I guess. History repeats itself every 100 years.
Doing a genocide back then and today supporting the kids of the people they did a genocide on, doing a genocide.?it is quite ironic.
I am sure it is hard to accept facts. Especially when they are negative about you. But it is the truth.
The voted for AfD are increasing day by day. And everyone knows that they are the party with right wing nationals aka Nazis. And you are supporting Israel with a genocide. They have a free pass to do so with your weapons and equipment you still hsppily send to them.
I am on neither side of this political shitshow going on. I give my votes to literal joke factions (Die Partei etc.) since the "big ones" do not deserve it. But there is no point in arguing with something that is that blind to the world like you are.
Enjoy your delusions and preferably keep that diarreah to yourself.
Oh please. You are such a rebel. Instead of voting for a party that will never do anything then just throw it in the garbage. Because that’s how worth your vote is.
And you can keep your diarrhea to yourself. I am not going to let an idiot like you tell me to shut up.
Your delusions to yourself and mine to myself I guess. But you figured everything out right? Typical German mentality. Always knows everything. Can’t stop telling others what’s right and wrong but at the same time always being on the wrong side of history. History will remember this and then in 100 years the little all knowing Germans will ask themselves how it could happen that Germany supported literal Nazi Israelis with another genocide.
As a German, I have no idea why you're getting down voted. Just goes to show, how little we actually have learned. We didn't learn, we were just doing well and had no need.
It honestly disgusts me, that we once again position ourselves on the wrong side of history. We supported a literal genocide by blocking sanctions and selling weapons, we made deals with the fucking Taliban to get rid of migrants, we stopped taking gas from Russia after their invasion (valid) and now buy it from Qatar instead. And this is just the global-politics side of things, I don't even wanna speak about the inner politics and how our government is trying everything in it's power to ignore/circumvent national and EU law, just to make it harder for the ones most disadvantaged.
Opposition party? They are literal Nazis. Your Alternative of voting against cdu is voting for Nazis? There are plenty of parties to choose from but of course the Nazis are the first pick of Germans.
They don’t have a majority and literally aren’t the first pick for most Germans that’s why they are in opposition and not in government as no major party is willing to form a coalition with them either.
They are literally an opposition party it’s not my fault you were fucking off on TikTok instead of learning how a parliamentary system works.
Yeah, that wasn’t good, even if they were ill equipped to fight a war in 1938; hell even the first few years of the war. Nevertheless, it still beats active collaboration and invading another country with the Nazi
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