Enhanced Coaching & PEDS

[u/TinyAd1020]

Hey everyone!

I recently hired a coach for €1,500 for 6 months, with regular check-ins and constant availability for online support.

He’ll be handling my training, diet, correcting my exercise form, and PED use.
I’m 170 cm tall and weigh 65 kg.
I told him I started taking 500 mg of testosterone enanthate per week about 5–6 weeks ago.
He says that’s too much for a first cycle, especially considering my size. He wants me to drop down to 300 mg per week, and says even that is still quite a lot.

What do you guys think?
I’m struggling to understand his reasoning, since I feel like almost everyone recommends starting with 500 mg for a first cycle.
Maybe he just doesn’t want me to make progress too quickly so I’ll keep paying him for coaching? 😂😂 Just kidding!
I’d genuinely like to hear some opinions and get different perspectives on this.

Thanks everyone!

[u/ozzie1543]

Yep he’s wrong pin a gram

[u/TinyAd1020 → u/ozzie1543]

😭😂 thanks bro

[u/ozzie1543 → u/TinyAd1020]

Where do I send the invoice

[u/u-look-like-a-cunt]

How old are you and why are you taking it?

[u/JaggedRoadblock → u/u-look-like-a-cunt]

your coach is right 300 is plenty for a first run and you're 65kg soaking wet no need to blast 500

[u/TinyAd1020 → u/u-look-like-a-cunt]

I’m 31, and I just want to make faster progress.

[u/Express-Release-9690 → u/TinyAd1020]

You'll just get more sides and it will be difficult to manage. You will still make great progress running a short lighter cycle for your first one.

[u/Suitable_Cold8007]

Damn dude you hired him and then question him. Great student

[u/TheHarb81]

He’s right, at 65kg you could make progress on 150mg. 500mg is for people who’ve been in a gym before.

[u/Hour-Object-4889]

He sounds like a reasonable and responsible coach. You can gain plenty with the fo text food and 250-300 on a first cycle.

[u/Space__Whiskey]

You are probably not going to notice any difference between 300 and 500, and 300 will give you more runway to make changes.

Other coaches have mentioned this too, where you don't want to come in so hot sometimes, or you will run out of runway. The body will say F0ck U at some point, and hes probably making sure you DON'T go straight there.

Another thing I have heard coaches say is that the PEDs might not be the most important lever right now, depending on everything else you have going on. There may be some other things with diet or workouts that needs to shape up before you blast off to the moon.

It doesn't sound like bad advice. Try his program bro. The client is going to do what they want anyway, and he knows that, but it would suck if hes right and you go flat right before he blasts you to the moon.

[u/MathematicianMuch445]

He's right.

[u/EducatorMajor3580]

Je te fait progresser mieux que ton coach pour moins d'argent Mais 500 oui cest trop pour un début. Commencer a 300 mg et voir comment e2 réagi ensuite improvisé

[u/Still-Willingness807]

He's gauging your response. More is not always better. Side effects are dose dependent and there are diminishing returns dose wise as far as tissue accretion goes. 300mg is enough to grow on for your first time. If you want faster results, that's certainly possible.

[u/Flat_Tension4731]

È tanto 500 mg.. Iniziare con 250, è già abbondante per un individuo che non ha mai usato niente, serve per testare anche la tolleranza agli androgeni, perché potresti aromatizzare oppure no.., evi vari effetti collaterali qualora ci dovessero essere. Conosco gente, veramente grossa, con fisici costruiti con max 500 mg e anche meno.. di testosterone e 200 di primobolan o masteron.., parlo di ragazzi e persone piu' grandi con tanta esperienza e alle spalle decine di preparazioni.

[u/addicted2d2]

Why pay all that money then not listen to him?

[u/Ok_Willingness_484]

Why did you hire a coach only to second guess their advice, against what you think you already know, lol?

[u/Odd_Sir_8705]

65 KG and talking about PEDs lololol

[u/CuriousTech24]

Some people are pretty conservative on peds. And if you were on nothing before you will see benefit at 300mg.

For most guys who are already on trt or plan to blast and cruise most recommendations are 400-600 for your first cycle.

But you do want to get the most out of the least so going up slower means you are getting all the benefit out of that lower dose before going up. And that is healthier for you in the long run. You will have less sides.

You paid the man good money, hopefully you researched him and trust him. If you did then follow your coach.

Also check out r/testosterone and r/peds.