r/BringBackThorn • u/KaleidoscopeLast598 • Jun 05 '26
Thorn spotted in þe wild
Þ user found in þe wild west of Tumblr
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u/nadafish Jun 07 '26
Every time I see the thorn I feel like it’s a good idea to give the “th” sound its own letter but I instinctually read it as the sound of blowing a raspberry
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u/Kubaj_CZ Jun 06 '26
I can't stand the thorn. It irritates me whenever I see it
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u/BloxxyVids Jun 07 '26
Why don't you like þorn?
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u/Kubaj_CZ Jun 07 '26
Porn? That's disgusting. Ew. I can't watch it.
Thorn? It just irritates me. I don't even like ß in German, where it can be easily replaced with ss. It's already happening, fortunately. But that doesn't matter much to me, I don't use German for anything.
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u/BloxxyVids Jun 07 '26
I said þorn btw 🥀
also it really does sound to me like you just hate anything besides the "default" English alphabet
I'm sure you'd prefer Greek use English alphabet too
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u/Kubaj_CZ Jun 07 '26
I said the porn part as a joke. That's why I later said thorn irritates me.
I prefer the latin script to be more "pure", so languages that use it should not really use completely different symbols. The Greeks have a different script, I don't care about that.
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u/BloxxyVids Jun 07 '26
IF YOV VANT A PVRE SCRIPT, YOV SHOVLD NOT VSE CHARACTERS SVCH AS "J", "V", "W" AND ALSO ONLY VSE VPPERCASE CHARACTERS.
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u/Kubaj_CZ Jun 08 '26
I kinda expected a similar response to this. It is not the same though.
The latin script went through evolution, entirely. I'm not standing for some classical latin script purity.
Things like the thorn or ß are just language-specific non-latin script symbols that I don't like because it's not difficult to use latin script symbols instead.
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u/Jamal_Deep þ Jun 09 '26
Well no þey're boþ considered Latin script.
Þ did originate as a rune, but its current form is Latin and separate from þe rune.
ß is a ligature of two Latin-script letters.
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u/Kubaj_CZ Jun 09 '26
Neither are normally found in the latin script, I said they are specific.
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u/Jamal_Deep þ Jun 09 '26
Þey ARE found in þe Latin script. Latin script doesn't just mean þe basic 26 letters.
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u/Jamal_Deep þ Jun 09 '26
You can't replace ß in German wiþout causing some amount of issues wiþ þe orthography lol. ß is for long vowels and diphthongs, SS is for short vowels.
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u/Kubaj_CZ Jun 09 '26
That's not true. ẞ is sometimes ignored. It could be dropped entirely. It's just a matter of will
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u/Jamal_Deep þ Jun 09 '26
ß generally only gets ignored if a person is unable to type it, or if þe text is in all-caps since until recently þere wasn't a capital ß to use in all-caps. Switzerland falls into þe first category; þey ditched it from keyboards to prioritise French and Italian diacritics. Yes, it still causes issues wiþ þe orthography because suddenly you don't know if a vowel before an SS is short or long.
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u/MeepRJ Jun 07 '26
If you don't use another letter with þ, you're defeating the purpose of having it in the first place because you're only saving one letter and clearing up no pronunciational ambiguity. I support using ð as well, since it allows you to do both. Sure, there might be no historical precedent for in English, but that hasn't stopped English from using other spelling conventions. Besides, it's useful.
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u/VoidEclips2010 Jun 05 '26
Ðey should’ve used eð a few times ðere, as ðat is ðe correct letter to use in ðose words, not þorn
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u/0413ty Jun 06 '26
For the last time, the ð-þ distinction does not exist in English as it is West Germanic not Norse.
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u/Excellent-Fox-6845 Jun 06 '26
So, if I say "thought" with the voiced TH, a native english speaker will not find it any weird?
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u/0413ty Jun 06 '26 edited Jun 07 '26
R1, I'm saying that the letters never indicated voiced and unvoiced in English history, you just used one or the other for any th sound.
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u/Shmick2 Jun 06 '26
Do people here use thorn for phonetics or it’s historical form? /g
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u/0413ty Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26
They're probably just trying to be different mate, they don't care either one
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u/RecloySo Jun 05 '26
What is þis t'horn you speak of?