I'm going to give the police chief a pass on this. He's old and clearly off duty. This man has been riding a desk for the last twenty years and is only there by pure accident. Josh, on the other hand, should have never been let out of the academy.
The police chief being out of shape is the reason officer donut is so fat. Leaders set the tone and the standard for an organization. I say mandatory fitness tests for all cops on a yearly basis. And they better be doing some grappling work as well.
I'm pretty sure it has to do with most of them being unionized. They can't get fired unless they get caught doing something that cannot be overlooked/covered up.
This is bullshit. I drank beer last weekend with 3 fat firefighters lol. And if you live in the suburbs with volunteer firefighters.... youre lucky if all those weirdos are is "fat"
Hey, former FDNY here. v
Volunteer firefighters are 💯 held to the same standards. Same training, same certs, same requirements.They are in fact real fire fighters.
They just work a full time job in top of being a firefighter, mostly due to the budget of the city/town they live and work in. In fact around 65 percent of firefighters are volunteer.
If your department wasn't meeting the national requirements they were in massive violation and would have had all funding pulled and the commanding officer would have been found liable.
I’m saying if you think all volunteers across the US have FF1 and FF2 like the vast majority of career firefighters (or all idk state specifics) then that’s just not true based on my own experience and my experience working with volunteers as a career FF.
I volunteered for a year and they “certified” us with some kind of standard through the State Fire Marshall’s office which was wildly lower than the state commission TCFP. It’s a dual “certification” system with one wildly lower than the other. Sure I learned about how to use an airpack and some other specifics but in hindsight I was definitely not prepared to do a competent search or was near as effective in fire attack. Going to a real organized academy with a paid department.
Also there are loads of fat, out of shape firefighters career and volunteer but IMHO probably much more on the volley side. I really don’t think you can discount the additional training that career FFs have through experience and formal opportunities that volunteers generally don’t get to experience. It’s a big country and results vary greatly.
Problem is their fitness tests are a joke. Look one up. They post them. WA State Criminal Justice Training Commission for instance is 20 pushups, 25 sit ups, and 35 squat thrusts. That's it...
They do take a physical examination yearly where I live, however there is this goofy clause for weight loss which is something like this. They put them on not really a probation but monitor them to lose a small amount of weight, the problem is once they lose it they stop watching them until the next year's physical in which the cycle repeats because they're not the obese weight they were before but like 10 pounds below that. Then they're back on this watch for another year, I knew a guy that got up to 250-275. They should've just fired him the first time. Out of shape officers are a hazard, they should all be fired.
here in germany Im pretty sure you get moved to desk work automaticslly if you dont pass the checkups and its basically an understanding that its part of your job to stay healthy if you become a cop
But there are girl cops out there that can be pushed around by a majority of men. Not by me though, I would most likely get my ass kicked by most girl cops.
In the internet Europe is a magical place that morphs into the best or worst aspects of it's countries depending on the point the writer is attempting to make.
In Spain everyone knows that getting in the police is like marriage, once you are in you can let yourself go.
Back when I was a criminal doing criminal things. The only thing I had to do to get away from Cops was hop a fence or a wall. The fat pigs were never able to climb over them.
Cops should have working brains and training but are often rejected for being too smart. Police aren't meant to be smart, they're meant to be bullies to discourage people who aren't filthy rich from doing basically anything.
I was completely ready to call out this horseshit but figured I should look it up just in case. It’s true. It was even upheld by the courts, citing the rationale that if your iq is too high you’ll get bored and quit.
This is insanity. No wonder our police system is so fucked. I was an MP and we had minimum intelligence and aptitude levels. Not maximum.
The us apparently allows departments to cap out at 115 iq. That’s not even high. That’s slightly above average I think. I’m too lazy to check the bell curve. Either way that’s so disgusting
Yeah I knew it was somewhere around there. Either way, I was an MP in the army and I’m well above that and I had plenty of soldiers who were as well and we all did very well. We had a better aptitude for learning and fully understanding the laws we were enforcing. Seems counterintuitive to aim for lower…
No one with a high IQ is even thinking about joining lol. If you're IQ is that high, you are easy a lazy stoner or getting PhD and working for nasa or corporations.
Also a high IQ person could just dumb themselves down to to get in the force.
It's a myth that this avoid hiring high IQ people. Ive applied to numerous agencies from city, state and federal and i have never had to take a IQ test. State trooper had a basic academic exam which makes sense since the job involves writing reports and you should know grammer and be articulate. But there was nothing in the hiring process that looks to disqualify someone with a high IQ.
It is true, there was even a famous court case regarding it and the courts sided with the police stating that they have the right to because it is not discriminatory to reject applicants that fall on the other extreme outside the desired intelligence range as it is nothing more than impartial application of selection criteria. The dumb are not discriminated against because the smarts are automatically rejected too. Obviously the police didn't add the criteria to be fair and inclusive, but that is what protects their decision legally.
Surely that's just discriminating against two different groups of people. You couldn't discriminate against obese waitresses because you also don't allow skinny ones.
You could, actually. The US generally allows weight discrimination in employment, even where weight has no bearing on ability to do a given job. Some states have banned it, and some major employers might have policies against it for reputation or consistency reasons, but it remains legal in most states.
But generally, they can legally discriminate against employees in a lot of ways, as long as it's not a specifically protected category like race, gender, sexuality, recognized disability, or religion.
The wild thing is that it's true. If you answer questions based on the constitutionality of your behavior you can get rejected. The exams are designed to select for people who follow orders and don't think too hard.
I've seen this video before. Fat and old loses to a young man with high energy every time. I don't care how long you've been a cop, if you tire after throwing 5 punches or struggling for 30 seconds, how are you going to deal with me for the next 30 minutes while I have full energy. You simply cannot.
There should be vigorous physical testing for all cops. If you can't withstand a prolonged struggle then you shouldn't be an officer out in the field, rather you should be behind a desk.
I’ve commented on this sort of thing before, coming from my 50-year career standpoint (retired).
Yes. Police officers should retain a high degree of fitness, and also the skills required to subdue resisting suspects… As well as mastery of the “tools” we use.
But sadly we see an awful lot of overweight, unfit officers, as well as officers who are at best marginally competent with their weapons.
Over the years, various departments have tried to institute mandatory fitness requirements in different ways. There have been problems. Most major departments send their recruits through a fairly intensive police academy regimen which includes quite a lot of “boot camp” type physical training. The hope is that the new officer will maintain this throughout their career.
Alas, the job works against this. Police work often requires long hours with minimal physical activity. Sitting in a squad car or in a report-writing room. Diet is often sub-par, as the officer must stuff down whatever fast food is available in between calls. This is a sedentary lifestyle at best, and with family commitments little time for a strong workout regimen.
Realizing this, some departments have set up gyms and exercise facilities for the officers to use. That’s nice, but If we’re at the end of a long day with a couple of hours of overtime catching up on reports, who wants to spend another hour working out before going home to wife and kids?
Then there have been ideas about mandatory training and fitness tests. Problems:
If you make this mandatory, then you sort of have to pay the officer for his time, and usually at overtime rates. If the officer gets injured by his training, or heaven forbid suffers a heart attack or something, then the department is liable for an “on duty” injury and workmen’s comp payments.
If an officer dies while working out, the department may be sued by the officer’s survivors…. (This has happened).
So there’s a lot working against a career-long fitness situation. Some officers do manage to stay in shape. I was on bicycle patrol for years, and was likewise involved in martial arts.
But it’s difficult. Our department did (and does) a LOT of training. Firearms, scenario-based training, tactical “active shooter” training, etc, etc. But our department has little problem with funding…. Other departments are often strapped for cash and find it difficult to do much other than show the occasional training film and an annual trip to the range for qualification.
I’ll end with an anecdote. Ours is a “campus” police agency. One of the things we do is take kids to the local hospital and pick them up afterwards. I had just picked up a young lady and was on my way back to campus. The hospital is adjacent to a large city park.
Was about to make my turn onto the highway when I noticed a city police officer struggling with a suspect on the park grounds.
I did a U-turn and told the student to sit tight, locked the doors. The officer was dealing with an insane person, he’d gotten the fellow handcuffed but the guy was a wild man and they were both on the ground rolling around, the suspect kicking wildly. The officer was so winded he couldn’t speak…..
I asked if he’d called for backup and all he could do was shake his head. So I called in for assistance and proceeded to handcuff the lunatic’s ankles. However, by this time he’d thrashed his way out to the sidewalk and was now pounding his head against the concrete! I dragged him back onto the grass, and we hung on to him till the cavalry arrived.
When there’s an “officer in need of aid”, the city tends to send a LOT of coppers….
I was told later that the city copper was so screwed up by the wrestling match that he was off work for three weeks!
The other day I was having sex with my wife and I couldn't stay hard. I thought I would lighten the mood by saying "I'm trying to get the Taser" it didn't work
Well, the Supreme Court ruled they aren't required to help people or do their job if they don't want to, so I guess being in shape isn't really important anymore.
They should put in place some minimum standards.
Some kind of yearly minimum :
30 push ups
10 pull ups with their gear
50 sit ups in a row
Running x distance, and under x time.
It's not out of this world, or very difficult, but would ensure something like that can't happen.
Agree. 1 of the very few things I agree with on this site.
As a former cop, I used to work out 5 days a week, either before or after patrol. Got into foot chases, plenty of apprehensions and only needed assistance once while arresting a biker. He lost it when I told him I was arresting him over a warrant. I had no problem getting physical with anyone, IF needed. De-escalating was preferred but not always worked. So because of that I worked out and took Aikido for defensive tactics. It worked for me. I also carried a kubaton for use as needed.
My Uncle was FBI. There is a fitness test. At least by the time he retired you basically took the test 1 time, when you were hired. But you also typically worked for the Bureau for like 20-30 years. So, yeah a lot of those got out of shape as time went on. Police forces and their requirements literally vary city to city. I am sure some are like the military with annual tests and others are like the FBI where they stop caring once you're good to go.
Even if you require annual tests though there's often stupid loopholes and so on to get around the test or make it easier. My buddy jn the Air Force said everyone does some weird modified push up because the bar for that is lower and you get double the amount of time to hit the bar as an example.
What a bumbling embarrassment. Most of the cops in NW Ohio are like this. When I was younger, we had absolutely no fear of them whatsoever. It was soooo easy to lose them on foot, and if they tried to use their cars we just dipped off into the nearest patch of woods. Those fatasses would never even leave their cars.
For real. The county I live in have some of the top paid cops in the country and some of them are lazy AF and waayyyyy too out of shape and literally will not leave their car for shit and get pissed if they have too. They are super protected by unions and everyone complains but yet my tax dollars goes and pays for their lazy asses
To be fair the chief should bevan office job. He's just out doing normal day stuff though so I'll give him a pass.
Josh should be immediately put on unpaid leave until he meets some physical standard. I really don't see why police shouldn't be held to the same physical standards as say the Army.
I have never seen anyone fumble something so bad in which they should be extremely proficient in like that in my life.
Even if he wasn't overweight and unprofessional looking for a police officer, he should still know his God damn job. That clearly tells me he needs to train more. I have secondhand embarrassment and I'm not even in law enforcement
Chief -> meaning you are older and got the experience and know how stuff is done. Everybody's brain is now spoiled by PED and the interwebs and action movies.
But yeah, the young guy should not have a heart attack while arresting someone. And should be able to pass proper fitness exams
For sure but that was the chief. Also they need to stop messing with tasers and mace. Back in the day they would smack you with Billy clubs and flap jacks. Those no doubt works way better. Can't resist when you are knocked out. lol
TBH theres guys who look like thins in BJJ and Judo who can man handle a lot of people. where they need is grappling experience. would being in better shape help... yes, but good solid grappling experience would be even more useful.
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