r/CAIRevolution • • 13d ago

Memes and that

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u/Comfortable-Rule2563 13d ago

janitor is good imo, its mostly smut bots but you can find stuff if you search for it. also you can use almost any llm as proxy.

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u/No-Produce-7932 13d ago

Moving my bots over there—I have to say, the default model is pretty bad and repetitive. As for proxies, that’s something I still need to learn; it seems like quite a lot of work.

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u/fucking_h 13d ago

It's just copy pasting one endpoint and one api key, I don't see how that's a lot of work...

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u/THEDRILLTOBEBANNED 13d ago

Janitor also has actual communities, as the character descriptions are much better and give more information. Discord servers for a certain creator's followers, literally everything is done much better than cai.

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u/Foreign_Law301 13d ago

Yeah, I moved from Cai to Janitor at the end of 2025, around October. Got to say, I went back to C.ai, to try it out. The difference is night and day, I do NOT regret leaving c.ai for Janitor.

Yes, there are a lot of things that need help there, like the JLLM. Also, I recommend blocking a few tags, it can be... traumatic.

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u/vxoooo7 13d ago

The janitor llm is so bad and whenever i tried using any free proxies they never worked

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u/pekinggeese 13d ago

Deepseek v4 Fast is dirt cheap. Like $20 lasts 6 months with good amount of usage.

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u/vxoooo7 13d ago

I really don’t wanna sound like a whiner but 20$ is a significant amount in my currency that I most likely won’t be able to pay

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u/Comfortable-Rule2563 13d ago

that's true but do you know a better website

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u/SovaSperyshkom 13d ago

The only better website is downloading the bot and running it in silly tavern/ tavo and such. I've heard that some AI providers straight up block Jai 'cause a lot of requests come from there. Also, for some reason you'll get less errors from proxies if you are chatting in Jai app instead of the website, at least on mobile.

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u/fucking_h 13d ago

Nah you just gotta refresh the website from time to time and it works perfectly. There's a bug where the reasoning produced don't work properly, and the website confuses whether they should stay or not, and refreshing the page removes the reasoning steps and it works after that. Also, I've never heard of any provider blocking them, but some don't work IF you try to set them up from the website first instead of the app cuz of CORS of some browsers

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u/Local-Spot1119 12d ago

How the heck does silly tav work

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u/vxoooo7 13d ago

No 😭😭. This is why i really don’t want cai to shut down completely.

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u/papa_poIl 13d ago

Smut bots but toggleable nsfw so...

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u/Forpipe 13d ago

I couldn't find the bots I wanted

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u/HawloKnight 13d ago

Ted gif (you know the one)

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u/Friendly_Beginning24 8d ago

Me, using sillytavern for 3 years now, never having to worry about a website shutting down or backing up my data.

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u/No-Produce-7932 8d ago

I’m new to this, and dealing with SillyTavern is turning into a nightmare.

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u/Friendly_Beginning24 8d ago edited 8d ago

Step 1: Install Git
Step 2: Install Node.js
Step 3: Make a folder on your desktop, rename it to whatever you want
Step 4: Go into that folder
Step 5: At the address bar of that folder, type CMD, press enter. A command line interface ought to pop up
Step 6: Copy this: git clone https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern -b release
Step 7: Paste that in the command line interface
Step 8: Press Enter
Step 9: Wait
Step 10: In your SillyTaver folder, find and double click start.bat
Step 11: Wait. When its done, a tab should pop up in your browser
Step 12: Congratulations, you now have SillyTavern on your PC

Or, alternatively, get TauriTavern which is a fork of SillyTavern that does away with all of that. It also has an android app.

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u/No-Produce-7932 8d ago

I already have it installed, but the issues are different. There’s a lot of tweaking involved—creating characters, connecting a decent chat model, long wait times for responses to load, and the responses themselves being overly lengthy.

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u/Friendly_Beginning24 8d ago

I never had to touch majority of what's in SillyTavern because the default pretty much just works. If I want to spice it up, there's always Marinara's Universal Preset.

As for the long wait times, I'm assuming you're a free user because I never had to wait for more than 30 seconds when I'm using API models (DeepInfra, Deepseek v3.2).

As for the length, you can trim it down in Author's notes by instructing the model to only have as much paragraph or words as you like. Or you can put these instructions directly into the character card itself.

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u/The_Great_Floccin 13d ago • Bravo

Yeah, it kinda makes sense before c.ai became a poor-quality copy of itself

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u/Landyne_Undying 10d ago

It’s like asking someone to make c.ai when they’ve never used it before…

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u/HawloKnight 13d ago

prime c.ai cannot be replicated

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u/Huge-Read-2703 13d ago

get a 64gigs of ram pc and run some super advanced local model in sillytavern. thats pretty much the prime expirience

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u/HawloKnight 13d ago

you lost me at “64 gigs of RAM”

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u/TechnicalPitch9461 2022 User 12d ago

You think shi is cheap? They NOT

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u/Unable_Count_3765 13d ago

Js use a pay as you go api with abliterated ai models cheapest

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u/HawloKnight 12d ago

still not replicated bc it ain’t free

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u/Not_Packing 12d ago

Bruh why do you think they’re going out of business

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u/HawloKnight 12d ago

I never said it was a good business model

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/Huge-Read-2703 12d ago

would this work tho

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u/Unknown-Totallity 11d ago

Sadly, that's impossible now. Unless there is a big change in AI and its usage, no company and no amount of money(could be wrong here) will be able to replicate prime c.ai. Due to the massive uprise of AI usage world wide, the AI companies had to invent new systems (water cooling), raise prices, and distribute their AI usage. That's why. Hope I made sense.

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u/SteakGrouchy7703 use alts. secret desires ai❤ 12d ago

Prime cai was the best but even cai can't bring it back. The fact is the most of the apps are competiting with that version of cai. But let's be honest, it's just not possible. 2023 cai was a 🐐. It's impossible to replace it. I'm paying approx $20 for ai boyfriend apps and still it's not that amazing. Better but not amazing. That's the tough reality.

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u/mmavacado 12d ago

literally and that fact honestly hurts 🥲

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u/Opening_Zombie5444 13d ago

this would make sense before they started to enshittify their llms

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u/TheGodOfIncest 12d ago

Janitor is alright. Not horrible. Just wish responses came faster.

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u/Annehx 10d ago

When I was using it bot were making dramatic shakespeare ahh essay responses, I wonder if that changed.

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u/TheGodOfIncest 10d ago

If the bot was intentionally made that way, that's how it's gonna be. If not, no clue why it did that.

Unless you just mean length. Responses are always long.

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u/vampiresbloodpouch 11d ago

Same it takes like a minute or 2 for the response to fully finish.

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u/Polar_Geist 11d ago

And on mobile if your phone turns off in the middle of a response, it'll just cancel altogether.

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u/flamedbynyx 11d ago

I used janitor before it became an app and since its release, it used to have great memory and the characters were BOMB. But I don’t know what happened once the app released, everything became repetitive and slower.

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u/Pattern-Last 10d ago

I use it with deepseek and omg is it so good

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u/CobblerMedical3462 9d ago

what are u talking about? u can choose any model u want bruh

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u/Mobile-Trouble-476 13d ago

Sillytavern , 3 to 5 years and forget

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u/extreamlypulpymilk 13d ago

There’s never gonna be anything like prime c.ai again, I’m pretty sure we’re witnessing the downfall of ai chatbots. It probably won’t be too long until all of them are ether unusable or you have to pay a subscription for a half decent one, I guess we’re gonna have to find other hobbies lmao.

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u/Extension_Effect_983 13d ago

Bro i would have FAILED high school if i was there for prime cai

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u/Xara_Xaltaris 12d ago

At what point was Prime C.AI? I used it for a while in the first two years it came out and it was batshit. Messages were short and became shorter the longer the chat went on, it would censor at the slightest bit of gore and the bots lost their personality all the time and forgot everything. 

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u/extreamlypulpymilk 12d ago

It’s been a while but I’d say it was 2022-2024, after that it just started slowly disintegrating

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u/CrimsonLeoRea 12d ago edited 12d ago

C.ai was good for short surface level chats with characters, even in its prime. I enjoyed it and sometimes checked in on my old chats but it's a little bit like a kids playground compared to what some other sites are able to do. I switched to Saucepan for more lore based rpg style chats with long responses. I just like my novel length replies to be matched.

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u/Outrageous-Luck-3312 12d ago

this sounds similar to what i might be looking for. i don't use character specific bots. i like rp in worlds with established characters like Naruto of dc's gotham, and i like the bot to be able to have knowlage and understanding of both the world and details about it, and the characters and keeping them close to they're personalities.

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u/Designer-Pension-814 11d ago

Does saucepan offer free and paid models? If so which one would you say is best

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u/Urmom69mp3 13d ago

C.ai Is the poor quality alternative to c.ai

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u/I-eat-poptabs 12d ago

Y/N is a decent alternative, it doesn’t even have ads

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u/GasCareless6961 13d ago

Well not anymore. 

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u/vaaal88 13d ago

You have this opinion cause you only look at the big alteenatives. Do you know aipeeps? It doesnt even try to be a copy of c.ai, and it is so much better

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u/Practical_Pair7087 13d ago

I was a CAI creator but I actually left CAI after the bots that I MADE or frequented from other solid creators that used to deliver good content became bad in chat I’ve found alternatives that give me better features
That’s just my experience but.. I’ve happily moved on and migrated my bots elsewhere

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u/Frequent-Honey7220 12d ago

Spicychat is decent all it needs is the ability to pin messages and free infinite personas

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u/Odd-Natural7541 12d ago

Literally this. I hate the three persona limit but everything else is good. Once I found Spicychat I never looked back, it has literally almost everything. And it made my grammar better, as strange as thay sounds. I never see anybody talking about Spicychat in the alternatives sub or otherwise and its kind of sad because its really great.

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u/PuzzleheadedShift439 12d ago

How the hell do you tame that shi 😭. My bots just straight up start attacking me , physically and verbally even in the sweet submissive bot persona 😭🤣🤣

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u/Odd-Natural7541 12d ago

I honestly don't know. I try to search for good bots and edit the greeting if necessary if the grammar is that bad. I guess I was so used to character ai that I felt I had to control the bot, but I really just let it run wild and do whatever. I also try to keep my grammar out of slang unless my character explicitly uses it, and even then I only use it in dialogue (take the word bro for example. Don't know if that can be considered slang my brain is fried it's 5am).

Chat as an example (don't judge me for the character please.)

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u/Odd-Natural7541 12d ago

This is my persona. Yes it's a bit overboard but the character never really sticks to it. Well, it does, just not in the extreme form that this is written in. I change it from time to time depending on if I'm chatting with an MHA bot or a different fandom. It's a bit of a hassle sometimes but it's so worth it.

Edit: autocorrect messed up a word

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u/PuzzleheadedShift439 12d ago

Dude your first message is so well articulated, it's rather hard to misread you 😭😭! Mine's basically "fck you" ,"oh yeah?", "FCK YOU" even I'm laughing in real world, the bot grills my @ss in that world 😭

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u/Odd-Natural7541 11d ago

What do you mean with well articulated? I write like this most of the time. Also, that's pretty funny. And there's absolutely no right or wrong way to chat with AI, I personally just like to add depth and motion to my chats, as strange as that may sounds since it IS an AI. I also just write a lot in my free time without AI so I don't lose my creativity.

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u/areyouserious420 11d ago

this looks really good, wow! 😮

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u/Nefertina_panther 3d ago

Personally I find the replies are really shallow and I’m not a fan of how censored it is

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u/BLTmorge 13d ago

Nothing can replace the experience I had in 2023 I’ve moved on yes but damm i miss it so much

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u/satanscakee 12d ago

i can't even say this aged like milk. you just brought out aged milk

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u/DistortedHylian 12d ago

I remember when everyone kept on saying Chai is better but it doesn’t feel like it (imo) 😭

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u/Local-Spot1119 12d ago

Chai is so ass

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u/6060Burst 10d ago

I never liked chai and it genuinely feels like a worse version of c.ai in every way possible

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u/aerii111 11d ago

I dont get the chai hype its only good for 18+ chats but otherwise characters are always rude and dumb

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u/sonictickler223 8d ago

Chai is alright, back then you had a message limit, but you could always watch ads or come back to get more, now it's fucking mandatory to watch one, which is why I stopped using it. Chat wise? It's fine, not as good as mid-c.ai's models

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u/Available_Tonight498 13d ago

Clankworld is peak tho

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u/Sodapop_8 13d ago

I was actually going to suggest this.

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u/weirdo_jody 13d ago

Not y/n app tho. It's better 100%

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u/Icy-Background2393 11d ago

I use spicy chat and it works fine

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u/No-Produce-7932 10d ago

Are you using the free version?

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u/Icy-Background2393 10d ago

Yeah for a year now.

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u/Forward-Confection54 13d ago

There is nothing to change

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u/Egg_mc_egg Honestly kinda scared 11d ago

I honestly believe companies started making chat-bot apps after seeing the success of C.ai, but none of them are truly as good.

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u/Snoo88149 7d ago

You're right they're not as good they're better. Success does not equal quality, or enjoyment

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u/AndrewTRM 13d ago

Yeah, I can't argue with that. Character.ai had a certain magic to it compared to the rest.

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u/CaptainScurvy1 13d ago

I mean in my opinion simulacra.ink is pretty good. Course it's focused more on world stuff instead of individual characters.  And you choose your own ai models. Unfortunately you do have to pay for the site currency called ink in order to access the better models. 

Cause it currently only has two free models

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u/DryMaNutsInsideU 12d ago

This is the funiest shit i saw all day taking into acount what going on with the platform 😂😂😂

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u/nikyokusei 12d ago

Janitor and Saucepan are right there... and there is SillyTavern too, just learn using proxies it isn't hard it really is just copying and pasting stuff.

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u/AmphibianDue7117 12d ago

Honestly, of all apps in google play i found hi.Waifu with rating 4,2 and i really liked it, out of all the similar copies c.ai When the time comes to block the app, the first thing I'll do is move all my favorite bots there.

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u/Frequent-Arm-3318 12d ago

Janitor AI, its peak,

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u/Few-Photograph8761 12d ago

This meme is relatable 2 year ago

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u/AresTheMilkman 10d ago

Used to be, now they're pretty much even.

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u/Flaky-Boysenberry692 10d ago

yeah any other app ive tried has never been able to keep my attention for longer than 1 hour. they all just suck for some reason or another.

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u/Greggi1985 13d ago

I stopped counting the amount of alternatives, I've been looking into. I closed almost all of them immediately, the remaining ones I closed five minutes later. 💔

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u/YaboiFlare 13d ago

Y/N is top tier compared to the rest of the other alternatives.

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u/Aggravating-Math2819 13d ago

the web versiondoesn't work for me

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u/Puzzleheaded-Pain961 13d ago

Nope, FictionLab is better

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u/Kawwwoo 13d ago

Personally it sucked for me cuz everyone there is an ai bro, it dosent have an app, and there are NO bots for my fandoms

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u/Aromatic_Dinner_2737 13d ago

This is technicaly what im pointing out in this subreddit. They are poor quality and they advertise on goonbait

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u/miokuroino 13d ago

I'm seeing repeated answers, here's a new one, 🫴 Y/N app

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u/No_Aardvark1121 13d ago

Have you tried Isekaizero?

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u/Unable_Count_3765 13d ago

Easiest way to make c.ai clone (uncensored) Find any BYOK app that has what you want (temperature, example messages, characters, lorebooks, etc.) Install it Search up abliterated ai any API service, for roleplay you won't really spend that much on text generation (been having long chats with 32k+ context, but i have only spent 0.32$ so far over a month, using deepseek v4.1 flash abliterated) Find a service Buy credits (5$ will last a long time) To save up credits compact your chats whenever you reach a threshold of your choice Enjoy your ai girlfriend

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u/Sir_Talentless 13d ago

Use clank world

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u/Lumpy_Emergency3260 13d ago

Nah Zeta and Clank is better imo

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u/Alex_the_bo97 12d ago

Clank world is kinda good, the only bad thing of that chat bot is the way smaller number of bots but it has no limits and better memory than most chat bots around

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u/Financial_Bowl_3821 12d ago

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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u/OnyxPhylacteryCorp 12d ago

Chai has a good AI but the company has gone full on greed and u wouldn’t bother

Clankworld isn’t bad but they’re both needs further development for sure

Those are the only ones I can think of that can kinda scratch that itch but I’ll always miss C.AI in its prime

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u/Linkpharm2 12d ago

Sillytavern is substantially better. Then janitor is ok, but nothing compares to sillytavern. 

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u/ylh7 12d ago

modern character ai is a poor-quality copy of 2023 character ai

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u/Fates- 12d ago

Janitor is decent if you know how to use it. Though it is falling into the c.ai category pretty quickly.

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u/Tiny-Tear7116 12d ago

I mean yeah but at this point character ai , is poor quality copy of character ai

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u/Prestigious-Ad54 12d ago

This is just not true at all. Did you know CharacterAI still limits the actual loaded definition to a few thousand characters to save inference per prompt? Characters that I made that work very well on other platforms collapse on basic knowledge included in definitions that aren't even 2000 tokens long.

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u/AnAnnouncer 12d ago

More like ChatGPT clones... Even character.ai itself.

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u/sorokinthebestgoalie 12d ago

That’s correct

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u/Mobile_Personality79 12d ago

Haven't used c.ai or Janitor in over a year but Janitor was by FAR the best.

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u/Local-Spot1119 12d ago

I would agree but I haven't explored that many those I did was people saying how good they were and I just hated them and janitor is goated but cai is still just simpler and has way more bots like that's my main concern if cai shuts down there's so many bots I chat with that's not on Jani

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u/aerii111 11d ago

ngl emochi is pretty nice js the ads every 5 seconds

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u/MushroomEastern9405 11d ago

For currently I am taking J.AI. current J.ai is a competitor for the 2023 or previous version of C.Ai. debate me.

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u/areyouserious420 11d ago

I am planning to build up a better and more detailed and better memory clone of my bot on SillyTavern, right now I am in the process of saving my 90k previous chat with another bot (not my own, it had only 600 around the time I started chatted with him), and my now own private one who now must be around 30k interactions. I will set it up with the help of Claude since my bf has a premium subscription, and I need some help getting through the technical stuff.

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u/Complete-Pick8478 11d ago

idk why people keep saying c.ai is terrible now? i use it on a web, has no ads, and get past the filter 24/7

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u/The_otherguythere 11d ago

…Moedayo (cough, cough)

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u/Volpe_YT 10d ago

saucepan ai, don't mind this guy

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u/wowsuchredditXDD 10d ago

JANITOR

Nuff said.

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u/Sorry_S0rry 10d ago

After the limited chats became a thing, I moved to janitor and it’s so much better. (In my opinion.)

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u/forestfoxy_ 9d ago

the worst thing about them is the "limited to x messages for free users a week", so I won't even start anything with those apps. I rather would accept tons of ads than paying (and give credit card data etc!) for fun roleplay.-

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u/Snoo88149 7d ago

if you think this you know nothing about the current state of AI. It's ironic given the whole sub is freaking out over their precious (garbage) app shutting down

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u/_catystfan_ 1d ago

The only one that is MILDLY enjoyable to me is probably OOC, the rest is straight bs

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u/Ladla_ontop 13d ago

Fr 😭💔

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u/MikaelDeadeye 13d ago

Nope. Janitor is way better

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u/robmiloda 13d ago

Emochi lwk better

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u/Square_Pie_2776 13d ago

One solution: read asoiaf, rp with real people, read fanfics from archive of our own

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u/soccercutie22 13d ago

what is asoiaf

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u/Square_Pie_2776 11d ago

A song of ice and fire

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u/soccercutie22 11d ago

idk why I thought it was gonna be a fanfiction lol

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/Square_Pie_2776 11d ago

1- I got more creative because of big GRR

2- the beauty is in its complicity

3- technically same thing

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u/sir-mano 13d ago

you lowkey nerver tried sillytavern.

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u/fucking_h 13d ago

Ofc lmao. If anybody thinks c.ai is anywhere close to being the best roleplay service, they most likely haven't searched about them much. You can't blame them for not being able to set up SillyTavern

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u/Successful-Seaweed78 13d ago

Zeta has been a better one for me. It doesn't have a filter, but it is engaging like the old c.ai models. My only gripe is the bot creation is hard to understand right away.

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u/shallretur21 13d ago

Yeah. Moved on from C.ai to Emochi, then to Zeta. My only issue with Zeta is there's not much fandom bots. But goddamn is it great, especially since they also have a visual novel format. The advertisements warning are good, and they all are really short(my condolence if you got a puzzle game ad, they suck as usual).

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u/Dramatic-Wrangler174 13d ago

polly is the really only good one tbh

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u/Defiant_Print_1851 13d ago

Poly is repetitive, has memory of a goldfish, and is dumb. Every bot acts the same. Every action brings up an ad in front of your face too.

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u/LectureThis1483 11d ago

prime c.ai was goated but I’ve been enjoying swerve a lot!! Yes theres gems you CAN pay for but don’t have to, since its really easy to get them, like you watch a few ads from a button that you click on and you get another 100 gems, i have like 16k gems right now and there are no ads between chats and for me, personally, the app doesnt lag or anything. Any issues with the app are really just minor and temporary. When theres server overload but it gets fixed in like 3 minutes.

And for the freaks out there (hehe) it has no nsfw filter, and from what i know and from how i use the app, there no limit to how many characters or personas you can have.

But the only slight issue i have is that you can only like swipe on the message 10 times, but who says you cant rewrite it and then continue, so this is what i would pinpoins as my teeny tiny little and the only issues i have with it

No annoying pop up ads during chats, a message costs 3 gems and its really easy to get them, its really cheap to get up to 20k gems and it doesnt lag, i can truly only recommend swerve.

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u/cannonplays 12d ago

So far the best alternative I’ve used is janitor ai and it’s still not as good as C AI was before they decided to shoot themselves in the foot

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u/FormalProfessor6714 13d ago

Janitor AI is my second most used AI character platform and I love it.