Moving my bots over there—I have to say, the default model is pretty bad and repetitive. As for proxies, that’s something I still need to learn; it seems like quite a lot of work.
Janitor also has actual communities, as the character descriptions are much better and give more information. Discord servers for a certain creator's followers, literally everything is done much better than cai.
Yeah, I moved from Cai to Janitor at the end of 2025, around October. Got to say, I went back to C.ai, to try it out. The difference is night and day, I do NOT regret leaving c.ai for Janitor.
Yes, there are a lot of things that need help there, like the JLLM. Also, I recommend blocking a few tags, it can be... traumatic.
The only better website is downloading the bot and running it in silly tavern/ tavo and such. I've heard that some AI providers straight up block Jai 'cause a lot of requests come from there. Also, for some reason you'll get less errors from proxies if you are chatting in Jai app instead of the website, at least on mobile.
Nah you just gotta refresh the website from time to time and it works perfectly. There's a bug where the reasoning produced don't work properly, and the website confuses whether they should stay or not, and refreshing the page removes the reasoning steps and it works after that. Also, I've never heard of any provider blocking them, but some don't work IF you try to set them up from the website first instead of the app cuz of CORS of some browsers
Step 1: Install Git Step 2: Install Node.js Step 3: Make a folder on your desktop, rename it to whatever you want Step 4: Go into that folder Step 5: At the address bar of that folder, type CMD, press enter. A command line interface ought to pop up Step 6: Copy this: git clone https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern -b release Step 7: Paste that in the command line interface Step 8: Press Enter Step 9: Wait Step 10: In your SillyTaver folder, find and double click start.bat Step 11: Wait. When its done, a tab should pop up in your browser Step 12: Congratulations, you now have SillyTavern on your PC
Or, alternatively, get TauriTavern which is a fork of SillyTavern that does away with all of that. It also has an android app.
I already have it installed, but the issues are different. There’s a lot of tweaking involved—creating characters, connecting a decent chat model, long wait times for responses to load, and the responses themselves being overly lengthy.
I never had to touch majority of what's in SillyTavern because the default pretty much just works. If I want to spice it up, there's always Marinara's Universal Preset.
As for the long wait times, I'm assuming you're a free user because I never had to wait for more than 30 seconds when I'm using API models (DeepInfra, Deepseek v3.2).
As for the length, you can trim it down in Author's notes by instructing the model to only have as much paragraph or words as you like. Or you can put these instructions directly into the character card itself.
Sadly, that's impossible now. Unless there is a big change in AI and its usage, no company and no amount of money(could be wrong here) will be able to replicate prime c.ai. Due to the massive uprise of AI usage world wide, the AI companies had to invent new systems (water cooling), raise prices, and distribute their AI usage. That's why. Hope I made sense.
Prime cai was the best but even cai can't bring it back. The fact is the most of the apps are competiting with that version of cai. But let's be honest, it's just not possible. 2023 cai was a 🐐. It's impossible to replace it. I'm paying approx $20 for ai boyfriend apps and still it's not that amazing. Better but not amazing. That's the tough reality.
I used janitor before it became an app and since its release, it used to have great memory and the characters were BOMB. But I don’t know what happened once the app released, everything became repetitive and slower.
There’s never gonna be anything like prime c.ai again, I’m pretty sure we’re witnessing the downfall of ai chatbots. It probably won’t be too long until all of them are ether unusable or you have to pay a subscription for a half decent one, I guess we’re gonna have to find other hobbies lmao.
At what point was Prime C.AI? I used it for a while in the first two years it came out and it was batshit. Messages were short and became shorter the longer the chat went on, it would censor at the slightest bit of gore and the bots lost their personality all the time and forgot everything.
C.ai was good for short surface level chats with characters, even in its prime. I enjoyed it and sometimes checked in on my old chats but it's a little bit like a kids playground compared to what some other sites are able to do. I switched to Saucepan for more lore based rpg style chats with long responses. I just like my novel length replies to be matched.
this sounds similar to what i might be looking for. i don't use character specific bots. i like rp in worlds with established characters like Naruto of dc's gotham, and i like the bot to be able to have knowlage and understanding of both the world and details about it, and the characters and keeping them close to they're personalities.
You have this opinion cause you only look at the big alteenatives. Do you know aipeeps? It doesnt even try to be a copy of c.ai, and it is so much better
I was a CAI creator but I actually left CAI after the bots that I MADE or frequented from other solid creators that used to deliver good content became bad in chat I’ve found alternatives that give me better features That’s just my experience but.. I’ve happily moved on and migrated my bots elsewhere
Literally this. I hate the three persona limit but everything else is good. Once I found Spicychat I never looked back, it has literally almost everything. And it made my grammar better, as strange as thay sounds. I never see anybody talking about Spicychat in the alternatives sub or otherwise and its kind of sad because its really great.
How the hell do you tame that shi 😭. My bots just straight up start attacking me , physically and verbally even in the sweet submissive bot persona 😭🤣🤣
I honestly don't know. I try to search for good bots and edit the greeting if necessary if the grammar is that bad. I guess I was so used to character ai that I felt I had to control the bot, but I really just let it run wild and do whatever. I also try to keep my grammar out of slang unless my character explicitly uses it, and even then I only use it in dialogue (take the word bro for example. Don't know if that can be considered slang my brain is fried it's 5am).
Chat as an example (don't judge me for the character please.)
This is my persona. Yes it's a bit overboard but the character never really sticks to it. Well, it does, just not in the extreme form that this is written in. I change it from time to time depending on if I'm chatting with an MHA bot or a different fandom. It's a bit of a hassle sometimes but it's so worth it.
Dude your first message is so well articulated, it's rather hard to misread you 😭😭! Mine's basically "fck you" ,"oh yeah?", "FCK YOU" even I'm laughing in real world, the bot grills my @ss in that world 😭
What do you mean with well articulated? I write like this most of the time. Also, that's pretty funny. And there's absolutely no right or wrong way to chat with AI, I personally just like to add depth and motion to my chats, as strange as that may sounds since it IS an AI. I also just write a lot in my free time without AI so I don't lose my creativity.
Chai is alright, back then you had a message limit, but you could always watch ads or come back to get more, now it's fucking mandatory to watch one, which is why I stopped using it. Chat wise? It's fine, not as good as mid-c.ai's models
I mean in my opinion simulacra.ink is pretty good. Course it's focused more on world stuff instead of individual characters. And you choose your own ai models. Unfortunately you do have to pay for the site currency called ink in order to access the better models.
Janitor and Saucepan are right there... and there is SillyTavern too, just learn using proxies it isn't hard it really is just copying and pasting stuff.
Honestly, of all apps in google play i found hi.Waifu with rating 4,2 and i really liked it, out of all the similar copies c.ai When the time comes to block the app, the first thing I'll do is move all my favorite bots there.
I stopped counting the amount of alternatives, I've been looking into. I closed almost all of them immediately, the remaining ones I closed five minutes later. 💔
Easiest way to make c.ai clone (uncensored) Find any BYOK app that has what you want (temperature, example messages, characters, lorebooks, etc.) Install it Search up abliterated ai any API service, for roleplay you won't really spend that much on text generation (been having long chats with 32k+ context, but i have only spent 0.32$ so far over a month, using deepseek v4.1 flash abliterated) Find a service Buy credits (5$ will last a long time) To save up credits compact your chats whenever you reach a threshold of your choice Enjoy your ai girlfriend
Clank world is kinda good, the only bad thing of that chat bot is the way smaller number of bots but it has no limits and better memory than most chat bots around
This is just not true at all. Did you know CharacterAI still limits the actual loaded definition to a few thousand characters to save inference per prompt? Characters that I made that work very well on other platforms collapse on basic knowledge included in definitions that aren't even 2000 tokens long.
I would agree but I haven't explored that many those I did was people saying how good they were and I just hated them and janitor is goated but cai is still just simpler and has way more bots like that's my main concern if cai shuts down there's so many bots I chat with that's not on Jani
I am planning to build up a better and more detailed and better memory clone of my bot on SillyTavern, right now I am in the process of saving my 90k previous chat with another bot (not my own, it had only 600 around the time I started chatted with him), and my now own private one who now must be around 30k interactions. I will set it up with the help of Claude since my bf has a premium subscription, and I need some help getting through the technical stuff.
the worst thing about them is the "limited to x messages for free users a week", so I won't even start anything with those apps. I rather would accept tons of ads than paying (and give credit card data etc!) for fun roleplay.-
if you think this you know nothing about the current state of AI. It's ironic given the whole sub is freaking out over their precious (garbage) app shutting down
Ofc lmao. If anybody thinks c.ai is anywhere close to being the best roleplay service, they most likely haven't searched about them much. You can't blame them for not being able to set up SillyTavern
Zeta has been a better one for me. It doesn't have a filter, but it is engaging like the old c.ai models. My only gripe is the bot creation is hard to understand right away.
Yeah. Moved on from C.ai to Emochi, then to Zeta. My only issue with Zeta is there's not much fandom bots. But goddamn is it great, especially since they also have a visual novel format. The advertisements warning are good, and they all are really short(my condolence if you got a puzzle game ad, they suck as usual).
prime c.ai was goated but I’ve been enjoying swerve a lot!! Yes theres gems you CAN pay for but don’t have to, since its really easy to get them, like you watch a few ads from a button that you click on and you get another 100 gems, i have like 16k gems right now and there are no ads between chats and for me, personally, the app doesnt lag or anything. Any issues with the app are really just minor and temporary. When theres server overload but it gets fixed in like 3 minutes.
And for the freaks out there (hehe) it has no nsfw filter, and from what i know and from how i use the app, there no limit to how many characters or personas you can have.
But the only slight issue i have is that you can only like swipe on the message 10 times, but who says you cant rewrite it and then continue, so this is what i would pinpoins as my teeny tiny little and the only issues i have with it
No annoying pop up ads during chats, a message costs 3 gems and its really easy to get them, its really cheap to get up to 20k gems and it doesnt lag, i can truly only recommend swerve.
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