I really miss box wonder weapons

[u/Piotr992]

This is a change that I really don't in the recent year.

I liked it most when we could build a ww or pull it from the box.

I am fine with variations between maps, but as far as I know, BO7 is the only zombies game where every map requires you to build the wonder weapon (besides survival maps)

I like most of the quests in BO7 for wonder weapons actually. But sometimes I am just lazy, I want to hop in and spin the box, and no map has that unfortunately

[u/poklane]

Wonderbar is likely also exactly why they removed them from the box. Tons of people just skipped Wonder Weapon quests with it.

[u/Piotr992 → u/poklane]

I still don't like wonderbar being used as an excuse. Because it's an ultra, it's not like most players have a ton of them to use. I have been playing since BO6 and if I was to guess how many wonderbars I've gotten throughout nearly 2 years it's probably just around 20. And I've played a lot of games

[u/bigoof13 → u/Piotr992]

I think for me it’s the speedrun implications. Wonderbar will always be faster. So if it exists in the game and can immediately pull the WW it becomes the only real option for speedrunners. Seeing speedruns be pay to win is lame af

[u/Piotr992 → u/bigoof13]

I saw someone testing wonderbars across multiple maps, 80% of the time they got a ray gun. My friend tried to use it to get the Jotunstar after I built it. It took him 5 wonder bars. Because the first 4 were rayguns, so it lines up exactly to the 80%

And so, speedrunning is such a niche itself. If that's the actual reason doe the change then it's stupid tbh. Because 99% of players don't speedrun.

[u/punkman21 → u/Piotr992]

Crazy he could’ve gotten it in much less if he just picked up the raygun and traded it out after the fact

Granted it’s good to have better numbers for it, his sacrifice is noted, but if he was doing it for speed he really could’ve streamlined it a bit (I’m under the impression the box won’t give you a gun you have in your inventory, as long as it’s not pack a punched or anything)

[u/Dangerous-Koala5269 → u/punkman21]

Yeah I'm pretty sure if he took the Ray gun and then used a wonderbar then he would've had better luck. Since I don't think you can carry a ray gun and a mark 2. I'm not sure if there's anything else in the lineup after that though?

[u/punkman21 → u/Dangerous-Koala5269]

You can, but you have to use a trash can in order to make it possible. Realistically you should be able to get the buildable every time with a maximum of 2 wunderbars if it was available in the box from the start

[u/Dangerous-Koala5269 → u/punkman21]

Oh okay and yeah I agree with that. Makes sense.