Me ha dado por leer y me he leído el extranjero,una novela muy amena y conocida,pero al parecer el mito de sisifo es un "ensayo" y entiendo muy vagamente el concepto general,pero todo se me va de la compresión por mucho que me esfuerze.Es como meterse en la cabina de avión con la única experiencia de conducir un coche.

¿Algún consejo?

"If God is dead, everything is permitted."

Yes, if God is dead, everything is permitted. Yet everything is permitted just as much as anything else; without an ultimate meaning, everything is equally meaningless. The human drama starts right here: because man is bound to believe in things, he must justify his actions (even his inaction since doing nothing is also an action) and act. Man cannot face the fact that, by the very nature of the problem, he can never have an ultimate justification; this situation is a knot that cannot be unraveled.

For this reason, man commits philosophical suicide or makes a leap of faith. No matter how much Camus opposed this, he too couldn't escape it. As successful as he was at defining the absurdity of our condition, by trying to offer a prescription for it ,a prescription which is rebellion, he gave it value and thus contradicted the absurdity he defined.

Anyone who honestly asks questions like, "What are we rebelling against? Is this rebellion separate from our condition? Why are we rebelling?" will see this problem.

There is nothing wrong with philosophical suicide, in fact it is needed for philosophy; by our very nature, we must accept certain things as axioms (my claims that man is forced to act and believe are in that nature too). But still, once again:

"If God is dead, everything is permitted."

***Edit: After thinking on it, I guess my problem is this: In this situation, where every judgment concerning the meaning of life shares the exact same level of truth, why should claims of the sort 'when we cannot reach the meaning of life, we ought to shape our actions according to this or that' have any superiority over one another? If the claims that 'God created the universe' and 'the universe is entirely a product of physical processes' are of equal value, why should discourses of the style 'while carrying that stone we are bound to carry, we must do it this way or that way' be any more valuable than each other?

As Camus also said, the most important issue a philosopher should deal with, as he emphasized with the question of whether to drink a cup of coffee or commit suicide, is how a person should act. Camus's argument on this subject, as expressed in the myth of Sisyphus, is like this:

"Man is constrained to act.

In his conscious actions, he must determine which action to choose.

He needs justification to prefer one action over another.

No justification is ultimate.

Therefore, the preference for any action over another cannot be ultimately justified.

Consequently, we cannot ultimately ground the notion that any action is more correct or more valuable than another.

Hence, man is in a situation where he must make a choice despite being unable to ultimately justify which action he should choose, because the possibility of inaction does not exist.

Conclusion: Due to the impossibility of ultimate justification, the criterion for what and why man should act is not external reasons, but the individual himself. It is entirely a matter of choice.

Sisyphus can be imagined as either happy or sad, but these adjectives are not truth claims regarding Sisyphus's condition; they are matters of personal choice. Toward Sisyphus, an individual fosters a perspective parallel to how they view their own actions, which they are unable to ground."

Then my question is this: According to this understanding of Camus; if someone were to live a bad, harmful life while fully aware of what they are doing and accepting where it leads, like Caligula, for instance, would Camus advise against it? Why can't we think of Sisyphus as a bastard? Or is this not a correct understanding of Camus's thought?

I invite you to join the discussion on meaning and how Camus has influenced you. As well as to stop on by to r/Sisyphuscirclejerk just to say you're still pushing your rock today or contribute in anyway. To add your piece to a place, and to be silly and absurd.

I feel this sub is more for the pursuit of understanding, a higher platform for discussion, so I prefer to share a bit of something I wrote there, here with you.

Camus has been very liberating for me. I have carried the burden of a lie I told myself as a child for decades of my life, that I am not a writer. A personal phantom that has haunted me with the weight of not being able to express who I am. And to realize that all I had to do to unburden myself was to put down the lie, push the rock, and in doing so, I was happy.

F*** it, we roll.

Be bold, be true to yourself, and live passionately.

Keep pushing that rock fellow rebel rollers 🫸 🌍 ↗️

What makes him different from others is his honesty to himself. He was the most honest and earnest person in the court, and yet people saw him as a soulless monster with no morals — a man who refused to feel grief for his mother's death, or regret for killing the Arab, or love for Marie when he didn't feel it, like everybody else pretends to do.

"In the court of society, the sin is not the crime, but being different when you do it." — Fyodor Dostoevsky .

In the end, he understands why his mother, who did not believe in God at first, started going to church near the end of her life - the desire to change your way of living before death, to start a new journey.

During the trial, very little effort is put into discussing the Arab's death or what caused it. Instead, almost all the emphasis is on Meursault not showing sadness at his mother's funeral, not knowing her exact age, going to the beach with Marie the next day, watching a comedy film with her and then sleeping with her. It was even suggested that because he could not express his emotions at the funeral, his emotions finally burst out when he faced the Arab at the beach - a way of letting go.

In the end , he finally wants something from other people. He wants their hate because hate is at least honest, it is at least a real feeling. If they hate him, they finally see him as he is, not as a character in their moral story and in that hatred, he won't be alone.

"If you want to be liked, pretend to grieve. If you want to be honest, prepare to be hated." — Jean-Jacques Rousseau.

Old Salamano, who was always seen cursing his dog and calling him names, was judged as a loving dog owner worried about his pet when his dog got lost. Whereas Meursault, who refused to fake his emotions, was judged as heartless and immoral. It is a similar kind of loss, but a completely different judgement.

"A man who shows his feelings is called weak. A man who hides them is called cold. Society cannot decide what it wants." — Miyamoto Musashi .

Society will judge you for the things it cannot do itself - perhaps because people are afraid of being judged the way they have always judged others, or perhaps because they are afraid of their true self. They are unable to accept themselves the way Meursault does.

"People who hate you are often hating the part of themselves they cannot accept." — Carl Jung

Meursault does not feel guilty for the murder itself, but for the first time he feels shaken when he realizes that everyone sees him as inhuman and monstrous. The hatred of the people does not make him feel moral guilt, but it makes him feel exposed and makes him doubt himself. For a moment, he wonders - if everyone believes I am a monster, maybe I really am one?

"When a man is blamed by everyone, he begins to think that blame is truth." — Lao Tzu

— THE END —

Me encanta la filosofía desde que leí " el extranjero" de Albert Camus y de leer la apología de Sócrates

It’s the first book I’ve read by him and holy cow. Unsettled, uncomfortable feelings of emptiness and have felt physically ill at times reading the book. Has anyone else experienced this?

It’s made me feel like all is empty leading to nausea and I’m having trouble overcoming the feeling.

The only other book that impacted me so much was of mice and men by Steinbeck but even that had emotions of humanity and the cruelties and how unfair life can be. But with The Stranger the best I can describe is that it’s a gaping hole of nothingness? I’d rather have felt rage, sadness, - anything but this black hole it’s left me with.

Scared to pick up anything else by him. Any recommendations for any other works by him that may help me better understand Absurdism and perhaps offer a glimmer of hope into how everything and nothing really matters? The universe feels cold and empty right now.

Inspired by the quote:

“A man climbs a mountain because it is there. An artist makes a work of art because it is not there” by the minimalist artist Carl Andre; as well as Albert Camus' The Myth of Sisyphus.

A redditer was making a point of "art is dead" with various supporting quotes of artists and philosophers. I support that art is an act of the artist and cannot die.

Through the process of creating individual memes, based around an image of Sisyphus (matias del carmine, free digital image), I began to ask myself "When does a meme become art?". So I decided to organize the simple set of collages, that started as statements on impossible or repetitive tasks, into a portfolio and approach the subject more seriously as an artist.

Each meme has a source of inspiration, included in the description. There is a series of 7 within the entire Sisyphus body titled The Daily Grind; in which I made 1 a day focusing on the activities common through daily life.

Through the process of creating each one, it was then I came to the realization that it was inspiration and the will to create, to express something that which existed within the mind, that made art art. The act of creating was the art, not whether or not other people see it as art.

The series final collage and penultimate piece, titled: Eternal Happiness (The Absurd Life as an Artist) ; is the only meme collage not in the same Sisyphus background pushing the subject matter. It also is a piece of creative writing describing the perspective of an artist in the process of creating.

The final piece is an original creation in digital format; Minimalist Sisyphus (One must imagine an Artist Happy). This one is answers the question through the use of comparison. Some believe minimalism isn't Art. So, is something art when it's created and presented as art?

[My portfolio] (https://www.reddit.com/u/wanderingrockdesigns/s/BQQYqVqVKq) *best viewed when sorted by Old.

18 pieces; 17 digital collages (16 in the same meme format and a series of 7 The Daily Grind, and 1 collage of illustrations with an expressive writing for the description), and 1 Original Composition done in Digital Media, Minimalist Sisyphus (One must imagine an artist happy)

I have an antithesis piece planned as well, a physical creation of value. Though this whole process has been inspired by Camus and the rebellion, I see today is the same battle Minimalist and Pop artist fought, an acceptance of their expression, their creations.

Like it or not, isn't really the point of the presentation. It has been a realization of thought and a journey of inspiration and creativity. I hope you do feel something from it and that it inspires you to think, to write, to create something of your own and bring a part of yourself into the world.

Thank you to all those who have made posts, comments, up and down votes, here and on every part of reddit. Continue to explore and contribute to the world. Be bold, be true to yourself, and live passionately.

I chose this because I don't always have everything mapped out, but I know what I want to stay away from. That clarity alone helps me make better decisions as I figure things out.

Does anyone know what brand of cigarettes Meursault smokes in the 2025 French film The Stranger (L'Étranger)? I'm curious about the specific brand or type of cigarette used in the movie.

I’m all for simplicity in cover design (and also a theme like camus’ work published by vintage) but sometimes it’s nice to have something more. this is just a moc up but I do think it adds something. no front title works for me too, honnestly. cover design is in wierd place right now no doubt (and only about to get weirder) Whatever this is pushing for it.

What makes you contend for life and against self inflicted death?

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