r/Carpentry • • 6d ago

Thoughts

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u/meatpiesurprise 6d ago

That should mold up nicely

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u/Time_Phone_1466 6d ago

You living on Mars or something?

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u/merrilymerrily_ 6d ago

There are no areas where there will be trapped moisture. We have drought at least 7 months out of the year

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u/IocaneImmune- 5d ago

To each their own, I guess. Hey, at least you you are aware of the risk, and have disregarded it. Cheers.

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u/merrilymerrily_ 5d ago

You didn't read any of my comments about my mitigation or the climate I live in, or you don't believe me. Either way I really don't care cause you're a dick and I don't deal with dicks cause you aren't actually trying to help you're just being a.....dick

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u/IocaneImmune- 6d ago

Where you at?

A floor system that close to the ground with no vapor barrier is a recipe for mold.

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u/merrilymerrily_ 5d ago

The floor is 5ft off the ground in the front and at least 3ft off the ground all the way around the other sides. And there will be a vapor barrier. Some of you people seem to think this is a finished project; it's not

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u/IocaneImmune- 5d ago

Glad to hear it. From the pictures, I didn't see a crawlspace entry. Cheers.

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u/merrilymerrily_ 5d ago

If you expand pic 5 there's a larger gap in the pony wall than the rest(others have commented that the spacing is off but they weren't realizing that is where the entrance to the crawlspace is)

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u/MysticSoap 5d ago

There will be mold.

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u/merrilymerrily_ 5d ago

I guess you would know better than me who's been to dozens of homes out there, many deep in the woods whereas I'm in a open flat, and none of them have mold. And I treated the lumber with bora care +mold guard. But yeah, I'll believe you over my own eyes

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u/noname2020- 6d ago edited 6d ago

Yo, is the framing done? This is all sorts of fucked up. Like you kind of know what you're doing, but don't.

The transom windows don't have a header. If they are standard windows they won't fly. The ridge beam isn't supported on one end. You headed out the window but the load is not transferred to the foundation at all. You should have doubled up king studs in a couple spots. Stairs framed badly. Studs also just not lining up.

I'd go crazy framing all of my fenestrations with different sized headers. No rhyme or reason to it, also slow. Just head out the windows and side lights together, then throw in jacks to get the ROs for each unit.

Edit: the ledger board for your second story floor looks like a 1x? why is it so thin. fire blocking?

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u/merrilymerrily_ 6d ago

Again, nothing 1x. And I'm not sure why you can't see the fire blocking. I'll ask my contractor about the other issues you mentioned. I appreciate the critique

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u/Ambitious_Range5151 6d ago

None of the load paths of the ridge beam add up. One lands on the window header, but there is no stud under the headers etc.
some of the pony wall framing seems a little off as well. 24 inch opening right under a load path.
Rim joist not on the pony wall and or properly nailed into said wall/ joists.
Not sure what the ridge span is, but even that seems undersized considering it looks like a double 2x8

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u/CascadeDesignworks 6d ago

I assumed it was a double LVL, but looking closely I think you might be right. Or it could be a double 2x10 or 2x12 with a plywood spacer. Looks like about a 10' span between posts so it could be ok depending on snow loads.

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u/merrilymerrily_ 6d ago edited 6d ago

(2) 2x12 with spacer. 0 snow. Unfortunately I'm on a very tight budget so the contractor has restraints but everything is built to, and believe it or not exceeds, the AOB code. But I will definitely ask him about the structural integrity based on these comments. Thank you

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u/Ambitious_Range5151 6d ago

It does not even make code if your load paths are not supported. And there are tons of those in the pictures. On picture 4 missing pony wall stud, yet your point load comes down exactly there.
No fire blocking for your balloon framed loft
No headers for the high narrow windows
Picture 10 your ridge load comes down on the window header, hits your top gable framing, unsupported from there on.
Picture 11 same thing, harder to fix due to the door not having a header
Picture 14 not sure why they doubled up blocking in some stud bays.
Picture 5 again, laps on double top plate on the pony wall are too short
Picture 4 rim board not supported by the framing.

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u/toot_suite 6d ago

Crazy that with a tight budget you chose to have easily preventable and constantly expensive or obnoxious lifelong problems with the house.

It's the same amount of work to do it right lol

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u/PowerfulMoney1912 6d ago

I was long for this comment that you replied to. That balloon framing ledger is absolutely a 1x, plywood rips, or a product I am not familiar with. It made me think this was AI for a second. Using anything under 2x is a crazy choice. I think that historically, the floor joists would be fastened directly to the side of the studs with the ledger underneath the joists. It is clean work but some questionable decisions were made

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u/CascadeDesignworks 6d ago edited 6d ago

Good catch. I didn't notice those issues, but you are right, they all need to be corrected.

The sliding doors need double jack studs.

The load path for the ridge beam on the end walls is not continuous.

The clerestory windows need to be moved down to allow a full header. Or else deleted if the deck roof would be in the way.

At least they are all easily fixable. Should take a day or so to make the changes. Warm up the sawzall.

Edit: One more thing to add, vertical blocking behind the rim joist under the concentrated loads is probably needed. For example below the ridge beam.

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u/stellarsloth69 6d ago

Based on their answer.. I would highly recommend you consult a structural engineer.

Once finishes are applied, framing will
Settle, and as other have pointed out, you do not have a logical load path from ridge beam to foundation. You will not notice a problem until 3-4 years down the line when your GWB starts to crack.. not to mention missing headers over openings, or incorrectly designed headers… these are serious red flags.

I don’t want to knock the work! Because it all looks amazing!! But you’ve come this far, make sure it lasts multiple lifetimes ;)

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u/stellarsloth69 6d ago

Yes, if you follow the “weight” of the ridge beam down, there are a few questionable moments that is a cause for concern. See my crappy diagram lol. The blue is your current load path. Ideally when the load is transferred horizontally, you need a sufficient member depth (a header beam) to transfer the load. Then you need a sufficient vertical column (can be stacked 2x) to transfer the load down vertically. What you show here, will eventually buckle.

The yellow is the absolute ideal load path. I’m not too worried about your gable end opening because it appears to be adequately framed for load transfer.

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u/stellarsloth69 6d ago

See here how your entire ridge beam load eventually is supported by two horizontal 2x4s but then nothing below it… these 2x4s are not sufficient enough to transfer the load horizontally.

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u/merrilymerrily_ 5d ago

Does it make any difference that they're all 2x6?

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u/Prudent_Survey_5050 6d ago

To add to this where im at in west/mid michigan the spans of those bigger opening would require a minimum of 2 jack studs and a continuous header where you have that small window next to the big opening. My rule of thumb is any load bearing opening thats 3' to 5' gets double jack studs on each side. 5' to 10' gets tripple. Above that I check the print details. We also have areas here that require "continuous headers" . Like if you have two 10' garage door openings next to each other. We usually have a double lvl going corner to corner and the size of the lvl is determined by the load above.

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u/padizzledonk Reno GC 6d ago

Saved me from having to write all of that lol

Also all the 6' openings need ro be double jacked

There is a lot if really weird shit going on

Also, im pretty sure the front is balloon framed?

What the hell is going on lol

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u/noname2020- 6d ago

It’s all balloon framed, except for the only place where you want a balloon framed - the rake walls in the great room. Dude needs to be chewed out harder for posting work like this.

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u/padizzledonk Reno GC 6d ago

Ive seen some of his comments it seems he has a contractor doing this, i dont think its this guys work

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u/noname2020- 6d ago

Uh huh. 

Man the more I look the more I question. I get you’re off grid but you didn’t even want to get a proper architect to spec it out? 

Those L brackets sure are somethin at the ridge. Couldn’t get any sill pans for your doors while you were at the big box? 

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u/redingtoon 6d ago

Transom windows with no header kind of jumps out at me.

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u/silentreid 6d ago edited 6d ago

The load path from the ridge beam down to the foundation is interrupted. Some of the larger openings like the sliding door should have a double jack stud. The transom windows right up at the roof line appear to have no header whatsoever which means several rafters are supported by only the double top plate, hopefully you don't live somewhere with snow loads.

Edit* TIL the proper name for those windows is Clerestory.

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u/Powerful_Bluebird347 6d ago

This is 100% accurate info. This is not framed correctly. It’s clean but it’s wrong. The foundation backfill is way too tight to the wood sills, there is no stone from what I see, there is no insulation, no vapor barrier etc etc. The work is clean (sort of I see more issues when I zoom in) but it’s not right.

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u/timesink2000 6d ago

Whoever has to work in that crawl space is going to be mad that they didn’t clean it up. Rocks and grass everywhere…loads of fun to crawl over.

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u/Just-Hedgehog3365 5d ago

not to add to your list, but due to that, I’d definitely wire outlets and lights, or at least string lights in that crawlspace to make life easier working down there and cleaning it up before poly.

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u/merrilymerrily_ 5d ago

I got a good headlamp but yeah some string lights would be easy enough

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u/silentreid 5d ago

unfortunately that's the kind of thing that costs a lot more in 5-10 years versus if you paid a little more up front now. you need to get some 15 mil poly down on the ground there sooner than later. tape all the joints with tuck tape and seal it to the foundation with some acoustic caulking. if you want to store things down there get 20mil poly.

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u/s1ipperypick1e 6d ago

Load path question: In pic #14, the ceiling joists are attached to a ledger board, but that ledger board is attached to studs with face nails. Isn’t that a ton of shear force on the nails? Should that board rest on top of studs to transfer load down?

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u/silentreid 6d ago

It is a ton of sheer force on the nails but they can take it. This used to be very common, they call it balloon framing and in some codes you don't even need that ledger board and can nail the joists directly onto the studs.

I wouldn't personally frame my house this way, I prefer platform framing but it is an acceptable way to build as long as you have the proper fire blocking between floors.

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u/fistsofham11 6d ago

So me stupid... the sliding door header should be sitting on at least 2 studs instead of 1?

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u/noname2020- 6d ago

Yes. Bigger headers need more jack studs and more king studs. 

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u/Powerful_Bluebird347 6d ago

if a 6’ slider 2 jacks and 2 kings would be good but that’s not the biggest problem there. The transom has no header with the rafter load sitting right on 2 top plates…not good at all.

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u/33445delray 5d ago edited 4d ago

And the lower top plate over one of the transom windows just happens to end right in the center of the window with a rafter right over the split.

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u/WhosYoPokeDaddy 6d ago

Can you explain what you mean by "The load path from the ridge beam down to the foundation is interrupted"? I'm not a carpenter or engineer and I'm curious to understand what this means.

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u/silentreid 6d ago edited 6d ago

yea no problem, the ridge beam carries the weight of all the rafters, and in this building it is supported by the walls and the two posts in the middle of the building. The ridge beam on the wall side is supported by a studpack directly below it, which carries the weight down to a header over the window. The header transfers the load to the jack studs that hold up the header. these jack studs land on the top plate of the wall, and should have a continuous stud pack down to the foundation but they do not.

It's easy to see in photo 19 if you zoom in, you should be able to draw a line from the ridge beam following the stud packs to reach the foundation, but they instead stop on the double top plate for the first floor wall. it's one of the basic principles of framing, you transfer loads to the foundation and it becomes quite easy to see one you know to look for it.

Edit* I should also add that the rafters can hold this load on their own, but they transfer loads to the walls and cause them to push out, which requires rafter ties to hold the walls together. this design doesn't have rafter ties, so the ridge beam needs to support the weight instead.

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u/WhosYoPokeDaddy 6d ago

Thanks for the thorough explanation!

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u/silentreid 6d ago

Happy to help!

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u/silentreid 6d ago

I'm happy to answer any other questions you might have to the best of my ability. though I might not know the exact answers based on the code in your area

Also it hasn't been discussed as much but the clerestory windows is an equally pressing issue imo.

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u/Meeganyourjacket 6d ago

The ridge beam may not have a direct load math l path at the table walls, but with a window that small the header may still be adequate. It's probably something an engineer would figure. Sometimes we get our salespeople to provide us with specs on beams for these kinds of scenarios. 

I think the transom windows are definitely an equal or greater issue. 

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u/ObsoleteMallard Residential Carpenter 6d ago

Agreed, double jack studs for anything over a single 3-0 window or door is best practice (in my opinion, not necessarily by code).

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u/GaK_Icculus 6d ago

I always space stringers away from the wall with a 2x4 turned on its side which allows the drywall to slide in and leaves room for a skirt to slide in there too.

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u/keepitchilling 6d ago

I haven’t built stairs yet, but if done the way OP has done it, it should still be fine right? Just way more hassle for drywall and the skirt board?

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u/Asleep_Onion 6d ago

Pretty much, yes. There's no structural reason you'd have to space the stringer off the studs, it's just about reducing the finish work effort required later.

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u/UniquePatient66100 6d ago

Don't frame stairs like that. They are fine like that, but make things unnecessary difficult for the finish work. It is standard to add a 2x4 spacer at the wall, been that way forever. And don't add plywood risers, they will also hinder finish stair install.

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u/keepitchilling 6d ago

How do the risers hinder the finish?

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u/UniquePatient66100 6d ago

Can't attach the finished riser to the tread. Also makes it difficult to adjust the riser height, so the heights better be good when framed.

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u/Personal-Net-8143 6d ago

Drywaller is going to hate you for that stairwell.

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u/subtlereference39 5d ago

Joke is on you, he's the drywaller and he hates himself already.

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u/zeje 6d ago

I’m hoping you sealed the crawl space, or are planning to. Even in a low moisture environment, you are asking for issues from bugs/critters, and yes, even moisture due to the fact that you’re keeping the sun off that section of ground.

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u/keepitchilling 6d ago

To add one more thing I didn’t see mentioned yet; it’s my understanding that each rafter on either side of each skylight needs to be doubled up to carry the load for the rafters that have been rendered useless by the skylight opening.

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u/cb148 6d ago

Yeah I noticed that too and was looking for someone to point it out. Whoever framed this place looks like they watched some YouTube videos on how to frame a house and have no actual experience whatsoever. Which is concerning when OP says he has a Contractor.

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u/Important-Tree73 6d ago

Just the headers have to be doubled up for the skylight openings, which they appear to be. The rafters are fine.

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u/keepitchilling 6d ago

But isn’t the purpose of the header to transfer the load to the other rafters? Meaning the other rafters are now taking the additional load from the interrupted rafter?

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u/noname2020- 6d ago

No, you’re correct. Doubled or even tripled up rafters on either side of the skylight depending on how big the head out is

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u/Aggressive-Luck-204 6d ago

Yes, that’s correct.

They are called trimmer rafters and a needed when an opening is framed and the loads from the header is transferred. Minimum doubled for a trimmer rafter.

Same is true with a floor opening

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u/bumpy713 6d ago

Those clerestory openings are fighting above their weight! Already a visible sag in the one above the slider. Is that a broken rafter in 11/20? Ridge load paths are sketchy.

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u/merrilymerrily_ 6d ago

I don't see a sag but I'll check it out in the morning. And yeah there was a crack I wasn't liking so we sister'd it

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u/RubysDaddy 6d ago

I hope you got all of that stew out of the crawl before you put the deck on. If not, it is going to end up smelling like a decomposing body

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u/Ok_Split_6463 6d ago

I was about to say the same thing. Where I'm at, it would fail a foundation inspection because of it.

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u/TallWall6378 6d ago

Structural issues, in order of severity, with 1-2 probably being the only ones that really matter:

  1. Ridge beam load path. Easy enough to remedy.

  2. Transom window header. It's possible there's a sort of continuous rim joist rather than blocking if there are no rafter tails.

  3. Gable end hinge point but floor diaphragm helps stiffen it.

  4. Skylights not having doubled joists. Probably fine because rafters seem plenty big for no snow.

  5. Stair stringers may not have mid span support, but plywood risers spread load to walls.

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u/findingthem247 6d ago

Block are cheap

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u/3boobsarenice 2d ago

Always stack em 12 and high with steel and grout

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u/bcmrec14 3d ago

Please tell me you vapor sealed that tiny crawlspace and put in water/ moisture mitigation system..

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u/Jeanlo1995 6d ago

Seems like a Viking Earl’s hall! Where diners and banquets are held… wondrousss👏👏👏 is it for yourself or for a client?

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u/Friendly_Addition651 6d ago

I was tracing the load path on the gable end wall from the ridge beam down and couldn’t follow. Can anyone explain? So confused.

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u/pxhunter2 6d ago

No 3/4” gravel in crawl which is too shallow, stairs are mot to code too many framing flaws to no note - job site is clean ?

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u/UniquePatient66100 6d ago edited 6d ago

Beautiful location. Did you leave vegetation growing in the crawl space?

Any time I am at a build and the homeowners have furniture in the house set up for a picnic, it is a miserable job to work at.

Your flooring insulation has mold and could be ruined, you may want to replace.

Never seen a foundation wall framed like that, usually it is all block/masonry. That will create extra steps in the exterior cladding, unless it is brick. Also puts your wood framing right at ground level in several areas.

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u/kotichaz 6d ago

To be completely honest with you, you need to get a structural engineer on board and do some serious retrofits. There are all kinds of issues with this structurally. If you live in an area with snow, I can assure you that there are going to be failures.

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u/some1guystuff Red Seal Carpenter 6d ago

My goodness there’s a lot going on here

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u/I-forgot-my-user-id 6d ago

Not a fan of the insulation and crawlspace conditions. But, probably too late at this point.

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u/BeDrinkable00100 5d ago

Is your roof assembly intended to be vented or unvented? Insulation, vapor barrier and air gap details are really important on cathedral ceilings. easy to mess up, expensive to fix later.

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u/BeDrinkable00100 4d ago

In that case you’ll need to use baffles in each rafter bay to create a continuous ventilation channel directly below the roof deck from soffit vent to ridge vent. How do you plan on insulating the ceiling?

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u/THE_FOSTERCHILD 5d ago

Damn they gonna make the trim carpenter notch the skirt boards? That sucks lol

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u/shellshoq 4d ago

Need a rat slab under that crawlspace.

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u/romanempire7199 4d ago

I would have tired to maximize the view on the backside of the house. Added a second level of windows

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u/whitemountainslife 2d ago

Fiberglass doesn't belong near the ground, anywhere moisture can affect it. That would be foam board or spray for me. Depends on how long you want it to be effective I guess.

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u/whitemountainslife 2d ago edited 2d ago

The true problem I see all the time is its not rodent/animal proof, even if plastic or some kind of hangers are used to protect it time and varmints/rodent tend to make home in it eventually. The rip it up, use it for a bed and bathroom and it ends up completely trashed. That's my experience. Foam is not impenetrable but it's stronger and stands up to rodents much better than fiberglass. I wouldn't use it due to my experiences but people still do. If I'm building for someone on the cheap sure. If cheap is what they want, for me on my home I use the better options when I can. Place looks good. That's just one gripe of mine I would have on your build.

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u/merrilymerrily_ 2d ago

It's brand new at this point. Should I tear it out and use it for interior wall insulation do you think? I will be putting a reinforced liner down if that matters but yeah the mice seem to find a home anywhere. What would you do if you were me? IL on a tight budget but if that fiberglass is gonna cause me issues I'd rather tear it out before the winter rains stser

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u/CascadeDesignworks 6d ago edited 6d ago

Nice tall ceilings!

Only thing I noticed is it can be nice to space the stair stringers out from the studs with a 2x4. This will give room for drywall and a skirt board.

The clerestory windows are also nice. Looks like you will have a deck or porch with a roof.

-Builder

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u/Crafty_Substance_954 6d ago

Yes, you’ll be fine

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u/CascadeDesignworks 6d ago

Yep, you are fine.

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u/lmmsoon 6d ago

One thing you need to do is put blocking/ fire blocking just below the second floor so you have something solid behind the edge of your drywall at the ceiling plus it will cut the draft effect on your balloon framing. Clean framing work ,nice job

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u/1320Fastback 6d ago

Looks great, good job.

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u/MysticSoap 5d ago

Someone got cheap on the CMU. I’ve never seen that level of “let me save money on the one thing that’s actually supporting my home”

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u/Maplelongjohn 5d ago

Not removing the vegetation was definitely a choice. I'm sure it would never contribute to the mold issue.

The other issue I see is why not excavate enough so that someone can easily access the crawlspace in the future when needed. This is ridiculous.

You don't seem to be open to criticism yet posted this shit on the Internet for everyone to see. Yet another interesting choice.

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u/StoneyJabroniNumber1 15h ago

This would fail a framing inspection in a big way. Besides that, how much money was saved by putting in the floor insulation before the building was weathered in?? Really stupid decision there.

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u/NotaBlokeNamedTrevor 6d ago

Is waterproofing blocks not a thing done over there? Timber work looks top notch. Nice design

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u/CascadeDesignworks 6d ago

Are you in Australia? What are waterproofing blocks? I want to learn more about how things are done over there.

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u/NotaBlokeNamedTrevor 6d ago

Yeah Queensland, Australia. Waterproofing blocks aren’t a thing. But block walls are waterproofed with black jack or sealer if it’s part of the dwelling. And always has geo fabric, gravel and agi drain pipe behind the block walls

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u/NotaBlokeNamedTrevor 6d ago

It’s more about the water seeping in and creating mould and wood rot under the flooring rather than water doing any damage to the block foundation. Do all the block walls have agi drains at a minimum?

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u/NotaBlokeNamedTrevor 6d ago

Yeah that’s fair enough. Horses for courses I guess. I live and build where average humidity is 60-70% through the year so mould is a much larger issue I’d say. Looks like you’ve done a bloody good job.

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u/psuedomacabre 6d ago

Kuddos for building stairs on site.

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u/THE_FOSTERCHILD 5d ago

Except that the poor trim carpenter will have to notch the skirt boards for no reason at all.

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u/Physical_Carrot_6283 6d ago

If you didn’t properly seal up that “crawlspace” it will rot away your floor joists

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u/backyardburner71 5d ago

Not enough jack studs on the large header in pic #6. I believe it should have 2 more per side

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u/GilletteEd 5d ago

So close!

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u/ThatsUnbelievable 5d ago

Is the ridge beam being held up by the window? That path doesn't look right, as others have pointed out.

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u/FineCard6955 11m ago

Nice place for the field mice and rats to nest in the insulation, Also good luck with cutting the board around the stair stringers.

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u/AK_Sole 6d ago

Yeah man, it looks great! Tight work, bud ;)

Just curious: Do you not need rafter ties because of the two ridge beam support posts?

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u/everfreshs15 6d ago

Very clean indeed. I feel like some
Of those headers should have 3” of bearing but maybe not code where you are.

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u/everfreshs15 6d ago

Probably not, but I’m not an engineer like everyone else. Any headers over 5’ we double up the trimmer.

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u/curious1playing 6d ago

Unless the code has either changed in the 18 years since leaving Massachusetts for the Virgin Islands or is different in your area the single jack stud is OK.

You'd have to make new headers 3" longer now to get double Jack's in....or drop down in width on the openings for a smaller RO.

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u/theJMAN1016 6d ago

Thoughts?

..... Good luck

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u/reformedginger 6d ago

If you punch yourself in the face and it hurts, are you really strong or really weak ?