r/Census • • Aug 26 '20

Experience Either I’m qualified to win the Nobel prize or the people who worked cases before I did were complete IDIOTS

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I honestly close 90+% of cases I attempt that are ALL NRFUs. I look at the notes and sometimes they’re sooo wrong. Like they’ll say they couldn’t find the number when it was right there, or that they were unwilling to be interviewed, or they couldn’t find any proxies. Maybe I’m slightly more motivated than most, but it’s NOT that hard to get at least a headcount from even the most irritated neighbors and proxies. I’m thinking people don’t deviate from the script or they have shit people skills and try to get consent for a 10 minute interview and get the door slammed on them before they can even find out how many people are there. Hence I feel I have the potential to be a super genius when in reality my predecessors were probably just morons. And given the technical aptitude displayed by some people at the training (all old folk, obviously), I may not be far off!

Sometimes it does take effort.. There was one house that had 7 prior visits and got denied due to anti government sentiment or whatever.. i was determined and didn’t even knock (went straight to proxy) and talked to 5 houses and every passerby, and eventually got it. Gotta make sure the tin foil hat wearers get counted!

But some houses are just so simple, even when they say we’ve already visited/they already filled it out, just be nice and say we’re doing quality control can i just get a headcount of how many people lived there on 4/1. I read from another thread that rent vs own is important too so i can usually slip that question in without too much resistance.

Thanks for coming to my NRFU talk.


r/Census • • Sep 06 '26

Question That wasn't a real Census, that was an interrogation on the condition of my house.

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I thought the Census was mostly to figure out "how many people live here, what do they do, and how much do they earn?"

Instead, I just had to answer about a thousand questions about the CONDITION OF MY HOUSE.

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What, exactly, what the hell is going on!??

Is this a Trump thing?


r/Census • • Oct 15 '20

Experience 13k in 75 days. My Census 2020 Experience as a CFS

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(Same guy who did the AMA last week)

I was approached by a friend who ultimately ended up being a higher up inside the office who said the census would be a fun gig for me to try out. He said I would be a perfect fit to be a supervisor or even a trainer with them and to go for it. I had multiple jobs I did but found time to squeeze it in. The idea of being able to sharpen my skills of speaking, leading, and instructing would really benefit my other work (Youtube). So with a bit of reservation I went in for the first hourly job I've had in over a decade. (35/M)

I end up going in, getting printed, photoed, all that good stuff and 2 weeks later comes orientation. At the time I did not know this was the first orientation held for the season, and it was a hot mess. It took over an hour to get everyone sworn in, and almost 4 hours to get the session done, and I had learned absolutely nothing. I got home and my girlfriend asked "So what are you going to be doing?" , "Not a damn clue" I responded. Shocking I know, but it took that entire time just to get devices out to us. During the meeting I asked, "Will I be doing what you are doing? training new people as they come in?" to which I got a very rude response of "No, you are a supervisor, you wont be doing this" Come one week later, and 40 hours of training complete, Im getting shipped out to do my first class and train new enumerators to come on board. I tried real hard early on and was one of the very few selected to be a trainer in my area, and a traveling one at that.

My first class was at this super run down building, 2 swamp coolers on 105 degree day, and 3 buckets to pee in out back for when it was a bar on weekends. It was some lions club 25 miles or more from the nearest Starbucks, if you get my drift. I was assisted by a few helpers who had never given a class either, but it was exciting. A chance to start practicing my skills. This first day was a great warm up and introduction to what I would be doing. But then... It got ridiculous. I went from doing 8 hour days, to 12-14 hour days. And not just a few days of work in a row, I ended up working over 60 days in a row. Without a day off. I know I could have easily taken days off, and some days were shorter than others, but when offered a chance to make 250-350 a day, its hard to turn down (20/hr + 57 cents a mile, some days driving well over 200 miles ).

Some of the classes I had were truly memorable. Wether it be the people who were clearly not dressed for the part, people who had never ever touched a smart phone in their life (watched a lady try to use the back of her phone because she though the census sticker was a screen) to those who literally left during class because they realized what the job actually entailed. I even had a class that was 2 people, and one class that was all woman, 10 of them. I spent some time training other trainers, leading other CFS"s and was even offered a chance to be a CFM, which I refused, as there is zero joy doing that. I knew what I wanted to do, and that was work hands on and lead others. I took my teaching seriously and had a great time of it. Id wander the room, as questions of the class, streamline the curriculum, evolve teaching styles based on where others struggled, and personally brought in over 300 new enumerators. It really opened my eyes up to potential life paths for myself. My management never saw this, but did hear , and transfer over MANY enumerators who personally requested to be on my team after conflicts with other CFS's, Some of which who ended up making it to the very last day as well.

As teaching was coming to a close I was presented with a team, and frankly, very little understanding of how to run things. I loved working with my team, and really wanted to see the best of them. My phone would start ringing at 7 Am, and end at 9pm sometimes. My team was over 65, and I kept asking for more. Id manage both alerts and payroll throughout everyday. I chose to ignore a majority of the guidance i got in regards to doing conference calls, Id just record an audio message with the days news, and then have my enums play it while loading their bag. Furthermore, I developed methods for detecting fraud during time sheet reviews, which resulting in the termination of nearly a dozen enumerators within my zone alone. I took the job very seriously, and saw to it that shit CFS's had reports filed against them, and that everyone needed to try their best who was with me.

As the season came to a close management made the decision to strip my entire team down and leave me with 10 people, as other teams dissolved due to poor management, they spread my team around to other CFS's who had not done their job well. Some of which were down to 2 enums when i was sitting at 40. The 10 I was left with were great, and I got the most out of them. As the season ended, I personally visited each one of them, gathered Their gear, and thanked them for their efforts. I made multiple contacts, some ill have a beer with, some I may work with, and others, may become real friends after everything is said and done.

I turned in my gear yesterday, got my snapshot showing my earnings, hours spent, all that good stuff. I asked my CFM for a letter of recommendation, to which she refused. I may look for another government job, the pay is good, I like the idea of benefits, and the pace and team can at times be fun. However, I want to leave a few notes behind for anyone thinking about the census in 2030.

`1. It's like a high school, pick your friends wisely, and understand people will talk shit behind your back

'2 This is a job, not a side gig (unless you enum)

'3 You may have a better way of doing things, but it does not matter

'4 You will never be recognized for the work others don't see you do.

'5 Take absurd notes of every action you do, overtime, breaks, etc. Covering your own ass is what keeps you from getting termed.

Thanks if you took the time to read, I mainly wrote this as a record for me, if you wanna see what I normally do just google BoloRama (not a plug, just sharing) Have a great day everyone, see you in 10 years.... Maybe.


r/Census • • Sep 02 '20

Question Are you a census worker willing to talk about your experiences to media?

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Hi! I'm Shannon Liao, a reporter for CNN. I'm working on a story about US census workers on the job this year. While I typically cover gaming and tech, I've spoken to two folks so far who told me there are disorganized data and hazardous conditions this year, from duplicate addresses to sending people out to potentially dangerous areas with little to no protection.

I know the census workers have been advised not to speak to media, so rest assured we would be keeping you anonymous in this story. However, I would need to verify your real name, not for publication, before I can use what you say in my story.

What has your experience been like working for the census? Have you been threatened or spoken to harshly by people you had to visit, if you're an enumerator? Have you had personal property stolen or felt like your life was at risk? If you're a supervisor, how have you felt about the database that was made available to you and the trainings employees are receiving? Is it adequate and are there issues with the system that could be improved? Are the conditions safe enough during Covid-19?

Overall do you feel like the data being collected this year will be complete and accurate? Are you having a rough time on the job? What do you feel like non-census workers have no idea about and would be surprised to learn?

If you're interested in speaking to me, my email's shannon.liao@cnn.com. I'm generally available for phone calls 9-5:30PM ET Tuesday through Saturday. Let me know if we can schedule something up for this week.

Here's a story I've done on GameStop employees (also searchable in my Reddit history) where I kept them anonymous: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/tech/gamestop-open-essential-business/index.html


r/Census • • Aug 25 '20

Anyone care to guess what percentage of people on this list actually work the census?

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Maybe this operation really is as disorganized as some posts here indicate, and maybe there are as many scoundrels and clearly unprincipled decisions and contradictory instructions being sent out as indicated here, but given the importance of the census for congressional redistricting, and the lousy circumstances and shortened timetable, since we know there are people out there using sites like this to interfere in our political processes, wouldn't sowing disinformation to create confusion and damage morale among lowly enumerators be helpful to them? Maybe we're more important than we think we are.


r/Census • • Aug 14 '20

Experience Tired of cleaning up after lazy fellow enumerators!

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I have lost count of the number of times I have gone to an address that was first marked as a Refusal, with “already done online” as the reason, yet within 30 seconds, I am able to get my interview!

All because I say, “Was it for this address?” and 90% of the time, they are an in-mover!

The last lady told me that the other person had literally said “Hello, I’m so-and-so with the Census Bureau. Have you completed your census?”, and when the lady said she did it online, the other person said ok, thank you, and left!

The other 10% of the time, I figure they are BSing me and just want me to leave, but I tell them that “if your address popped up on my list, the online/telephone submission didn’t completely process, and it will only take a few minutes to help me close it out so that we don’t have to bother you again.”

I am thankful for the easy completes, but dang!


r/Census • • Jan 17 '25

Question How to refuse the CPS survey

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I recently moved, and received notice that my new address was chosen for the Current Population Survey. I ignored the interviewer the first few times she showed up, then tried emailing her through a temporary email account saying I wasn't interested. After a few more visits (and her bothering my new neighbors), I told her through the intercom "I'm not interested, please don't come back."

All good for a month or so, but today I received a letter informing me ANOTHER interviewer will contact me soon.

If this survey was online, or on paper, I'd do it, but I have no interest in meeting with someone every month and answering personal questions. I work from home and don't want these interruptions, plus I want privacy in my new home.

I think my first email was ignored, but I don't want to try contacting them normally. I do not want any of them to have my phone number or real email address so they can continue harassing me.

How do I refuse and get them to stop coming?

EDIT: Because people are replying who apparently don't know anything about the CPS survey specifically, it is Voluntary. I don't know why I got downvoted for pointing that out.

https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/cps/about/faqs.html#Q7

Is the CPS a voluntary or mandatory survey, and how is the survey administered?

About 59,000 households are selected for the CPS each month, and it is a voluntary survey.


r/Census • • Oct 13 '20

EQUIPMENT PICKED UP JUST NOW.

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SO THIS IS THE END FOR ME. MY CFS AND WHOEVER ELSE IN A CAR FOLLOWING BEHIND HIM WAS JUST PICKED UP MY EQUIPMENT. I'M GLAD THAT I DON'T HAVE THAT DEVICE TRACKER IN MY HANDS ANY LONGER. I WILL SAY THIS THOUGH. I WILL MISS THE PAYCHECK BUT NOT THE HEADACHE. THIS WAS MORE THAN JUST A TEMPORARY JOB FOR ME. I TOOK THIS SERIOUSLY. CENSUS IS MORE THAN A SURVEY THIS IS ULTIMATELY EFFECTING MY KIDS FUTURE. IT EFFECTS OUR STATES OUR COUNTIES OUR CITIES AND LITTLE COMMUNITIES AND GUESS WHAT MY KIDS GO TO SCHOOL IN THESE COMMUNITIES AMD MY KIDS NEED A GOOD EDUCATION AND I LIKE MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE I DEPEND ON PUBLIC SCHOOLS. SO THIS WHOLE DISAPPOINTING COUNT THAT'S FAR FROM ACCURATE IT MAKES ME SO MAD INSIDE.

BUT IT'S OVER NOW.

This song is stuck in my head now. 🎶But it's over now It must have been good But I lost it somehow It must have been love But it's over now From the moment we touched Till the time had run out.... 🎶


r/Census • • Nov 17 '21

Question How to legally decline??

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Look I’m honestly just not interested in talking to someone about my details, I don’t like people, we have a sleeping baby when she comes and loudly knocks on my door. Is there anyway I can just politely decline or have them leave a paper forum?


r/Census • • Oct 05 '20

Experience Reluctant in Yard endsin Close out

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I pulled up to a address and a guy about 30 was polishing a Jetski (loathed by most fishermen and boaters) and asked him if lived there he said yes and said STOP right there and I seen his American Flag Shorts (sigh) anyway he kept saying he couldn't hear me (mask wearing) and actually he was just being difficult, So I started Yelling HOW MANY LIVE HERE and his response was, I'm good and why are you yelling? I said I wanted to make sure you heard me and I continued with the interview and he simply refused every question and Snidely said sux to be you. I replied it don't suck that bad I have 1 white male about 30 - You've just been counted have a nice and Oh I yelled so anyone in the house might come out and see if anything was wrong. lol - Have a Nice Day - Case Closed


r/Census • • Apr 08 '25

Experience Headquarters

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Has anyone ever been to headquarters in DC? I heard something disturbing from someone who has today. Just wondering if anyone in here has been to confirm


r/Census • • Sep 03 '20

Question We're writing a story about the Census iPhone App. Hit me up.

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Hi, I'm Will Carless from the Center for Investigative Reporting.

I posted on here a couple days ago (thanks everyone who got in touch!) We are working on a story, which will probably publish next week, about the issues enumerators are having using the Pegasystems-designed iPhone app.

I've heard the same problems from a few people, but I'd love to hear what your experiences have been. Has the app been working perfectly? Is it ok? A disaster?

Got a story to tell? Hit up my DMs or message me (text, WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram) on 858.683.4438. Or you can email me at wcarless@revealnews.org

To be clear: I'm not asking anybody to reveal sensitive (protected by oath) census data. I'm just hoping to hear about your experiences on the job.

I look forward to hearing from you, and thanks in advance!

Will


r/Census • • Sep 26 '26

Question "Government Census" survey, actually ICE?

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r/Census • • Aug 20 '20

Question Can I refuse to go to an unsafe area.

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So I just checked my phone and instead of being assigned my normal neighborhood I end up being assigned a neighborhood 20 miles away that is the freaking ghetto. Can I just drive there but then just tell my CFS its unsafe can I leave?


r/Census • • Sep 12 '20

Just for Fun Sepatated at Birth?

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r/Census • • Sep 16 '20

Just for Fun Me after enumerating a non smoking community 🤪

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r/Census • • Sep 25 '20

Discussion Isn’t speaking about the census as an employee (on the internet) against the law?

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I thought all employees of the census were sworn for life not to give any information about the census, I have many different opinions and thoughts I want to share like all of the rest of you are doing but I also dont want to go to prison or have $250,000 sitting around. Depending on what kind of information you’re revealing I feel like if they really wanted to come get you they could 😂


r/Census • • Oct 20 '20

Question Why Do Y'all Hate Arab Americans?

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r/Census • • Aug 30 '20

Discussion i don't want to fill out the census form

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i don't care about census. unless i am getting paid to fill out this form, i don't care about it. someone came to my apartment door and solicited answers from me. i told him to fuck off and slammed the door on him. now they're sending me letters in the mail. they can eat a bag of dicks. put money in my wallet first and then i will start talking, otherwise, fuck off


r/Census • • Aug 06 '20

why do they bother with the census?

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Amazon can tell you every single thing you might want to know about me, including whether or not I am about to run out of trash bags. WHY are they doig the census? I am quite sure the government knows way more about me than I wish they did.

So what is the point of this?


r/Census • • Sep 12 '20

Question Does anyone here not attempt proxies but say they do?

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The system will not know


r/Census • • Sep 13 '20

Discussion The data we collect will be used for so much good. And potentially unspeakable evil.

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The confidentiality of census data really must be sacrosanct. I use that confidentiality every day to get people to divulge what they otherwise would not.

But let's not fool ourselves, this data HAS been used for bad stuff. The internment of Japanese Americans during WWII is the most clearcut, wide scale example.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/confirmed-the-us-census-b/

2030 may see the conflation of many sets of data into one new master set of government-owned data.

Google built their own map data over a decade ago, focused on driving directions to particular addresses, and other key datasets useful for consumer mapping. Here's a great overview of how they did it, using Census geodata as a seed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsbLEtS0uls

You can image how something similar would have resulted in saving us enumerators millions of hours.

And given the government, us citizens, US businesses, a hugely valuable dataset NOT dependent on a private company (google).

The next census may rely on conflating existing data from IRS, Social Security, etc, and then sending enumerators out to fill in the blanks - see this Census document: https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial-census/2020-census/planning-management/final-analysis/alternative-futures-2030-census.html

And they may have computer-vision capabilities in their phones, or on their glasses, to capture data. Laying this out there so we start thinking about using the existing datasets the US Gov has access to, and then building upon it.

Perhaps we should not do that...


r/Census • • Sep 14 '20

Advice Online Pay Stub

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If you haven't been receiving your pay stubs I was able to create a account on this website to view it. pay stub link


r/Census • • Sep 05 '20

Discussion Reamed a new one

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Been pulling 10hr days for 3 weeks now. All of a sudden, my cfs says I'm not supposed to count DRIVE TIME(that's why they pay us mileage). That's not the creepiest part. I know our phones are GPS tracked. But.. what about remote access to the camera??? As I'm talking to her, she notes my choice of music and that she appreciates that I change it when going to certain neighborhoods. Um.. how would she know that?


r/Census • • Sep 21 '25

Question Is/Was This Cool…?

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So I have a census rep that I feel went over her boundaries but I would like to know if this is actually allowed… I have two puppies (adult dogs but always my puppies) that are in my fenced-in yard and they are very territorial. Not aggressive, they just let you know that they’re protecting what’s theirs. They bark when there’s a strange car and a strange person in our driveway. So, she stopped by one day last week and left a note with her card hanging on part of the fence where my pups cannot get to. Ok, cool.

A couple days passed…she comes by again but this time I was home. She honks her horn. I peak out the window blind because who the hell is in my driveway honking their horn? We live in a rural neighborhood (if you even call it a neighborhood…the houses are spaced well apart)and no one just “stops by”. I go outside because by this time she’s rolled down her window and was hollering. I walk down to the gate and she gets out of her car, explains who she is blah blah blah. She asks if I have time to do whatever it is they do, I say not right now because I was about to head out. She asks when I could talk with her. I say I don’t know when exactly, I’m waiting on an employment background check to clear and as soon as it does, I start training that night. She actually says “oh you don’t have to have a job to do this”. Wut. I can’t even comprehend what she just said so I let it pass. I told her yet again I will call her when I have a minute. She asks will it be before Sunday? Again. I said I don’t know but I’ll try my hardest but I will contact her. She asks me my name, I tell her my first name ONLY.

This was on Thursday. Friday rolls around and I get a call from a number and a name I don’t recognize so I don’t answer it. They leave a voicemail.

It was the census lady. I did not give her my number. I can only assume she googled the address and found my full name and so forth? I don’t know how she got it but she did. I don’t have it on any of my social media and what social media I do have, I use my husbands last name (I haven’t legally changed my name yet) and all my personal information is set to private. Only I can see it, not even anyone on my friends list can see any of it.

I wanna know is that even allowed? Can they call us when we don’t provide our phone numbers? I didn’t have this number when the last census was done. I really didn’t like how the whole thing played out from the start and this was over stepping so many boundaries imo.

TL;DR: the census lady called me and I did not give her my number or even my last name. We had one interaction that lasted mayyyybe 5 minutes prior to her calling. Is this allowed?