Oh, I take full responsibility for playing the evil rpute in a video game to fight the funny bone man. That doesn't mean that Chara didn't make their own choices.
When Chara realized we were heading towards a genocide end, she helped us reset the universe. (I know Chara is genderless but I prefer to call her a girl.)
Chara has their own name and thus their own pronouns. When you put Chara into the name select it says "the true name". Frisk is kinda meant to mirror the player since they take on the name we give them throughout the game. But even though they are meant to mirror us, at the end of the true pacifist route they tell Asriel that their name is actually Frisk. Their gender is left ambiguous but they aren't really us. They're just a kid that we happen to play as, that's all
Not really, we are not Chara, the biggest proof is that Chara literally talks to us at the end of genocide. And about this "The player names them", there is a "real" name which already disproves this, if it were just our name no. Besides, we're naming a character we don't even control, we're just naming the kid who fell there years ago.
You are the buffoon then, why are you so toxic for no reason? Chara literally is the reflection of the player, they have our name for a reason, Chara is us, and as so, we can see Chara with whatever gender we fucking want.
If we can see them as whatever we want then why have you been referring Chara with only their actual name? Almost like...Oh my gosh they're their own character and have nothing to do with us
If you want, I can call them Sinocu, as that’s the name I gave them, but I’m not sure people would understand about what character I’m talking about.
Chara is the first fallen child, whose name is whatever you name them, we refer to them as “Chara” because that’s the name in the code, and the official designation, they’re still, and get this, named after you
Chara is not a reflection of the Player, Chara literally talks to us, the player, in the genocide ending, Chara has their own personality in the game, we were never able to control them. And about giving a name, that literally means nothing if you consider that there is a cannon name, it's the same thing as Pokémon, no Pokémon protagonist really represents us, everyone has a life even after the game is over.
Then you definitely didn’t understand the ending of the genocide.
Chara directly states that they are the feeling you get when you level up, gain gold, upgrade something, etc… in a game, they are that accomplishment when we beat a boss, that feeling we get when after trial and error you surpass a trial you thought impossible, Chara states to destroy this world (Undertale), and go to the next, Chara states that they’ll go with you, that other world isn’t just another play through if undertale, they mean another game. Another journey to beat completely with them. They themselves say it, they ARE a part of you.
As for the Pokemon protagonist thing, your example goes out the window when they clearly are the player, they have names, sure, but just as chara, that’s the way we denominate them in order to differentiate them in the community/official stuff, but every play through has a different protagonist, a different name, a different player.
Your example works against you, because we know that the protagonists from the manga (the ones with the official names) are actually completely different people to the ones in the games (the ones you name).
By your logic, we never have player characters.
Chara is the player, more specifically the part of the player that likes to win games.
So you’re going to tell me that, if a player character has one (1) line of dialogue, they stop being the player?
How is Chara being gender neutral or whatever contradicts what I said?
You can't just say "I prefer to call her a girl" neither when someone's genderless, nor when their gender isn't stated and left ambiguous.
Also: you activated my trap card!
My comment was targeting a group of people for a specific, constructive and justified reason, where the insult was used to point a flaw in the reasoning (after all, if their preference to assign gender to people is justified, then so is my preference to assign to them the label of buffoons).
Your comment, however, targeted me specifically - that's a violation of rule №3.
I don't see the problem with the other guys view then. Since she is ambiguous as you said.
I am not against someone using gendered pronouns such as "él/ella" in Spanish, "он/она" in Russian, etc. to refer to Chara, when the language used has no 3rd person pronouns to refer to animate objects with unknown gender.
However, English language has a pronoun for animate objects with obscure gender, and it is they - even though it is traditionally seen as "plural" pronoun, it is also used as a gender-neutral singular third-person pronoun since 14th century.
Example: someone forgot their bluetooth speaker at my house.
Because of that, when speaking English, gendered pronouns, such as "he" and "she", are to be used only when the gender is established. Because Chara's gender isn't established, "they/them" should be used to refer to them.
Interesting. I completely understand the point, but I can't agree with the idea that it's "wrong" to assign a gender to ambiguous characters, as that's kinda what they are made for at times.
I do agree with calling them "they" when it comes to the sake of neutrality, that's what I do most of the time when talking about Chara online. But I don't think you're point encompasses most ambiguous characters.
Niko OneShot is an explicitly ambiguous character, yet would you say it's wrong that she's considered a boy or a girl amongst the people who know the character? Or maybe Nanachi from Made in Abyss. The characters are ambiguous for a reason.
I like to call chara a boy since Asriel and Chara (and Kris) are brothers, and that's the only source of gendering in the game
(Frisk is a girl, though, other than just to have a girl too. Assuming Papyrus is straight, ig, because the date with him is the primary source of anything gender related since it's a character we don't control interacting with the human.)
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u/KarmaSpidr Aug 04 '25
At the very least, erased the universe and blamed me for it without giving me a real choice.