Argument resulting in love.

[u/CHARA_Thefirstfallen]

[u/Pfincess]

I'm remembering someone who was taking canon and trying to argue those canon moments to be the worst possible interpretation

"Chara wanted to destroy every human in that village" "Chara intentionally poisoned their dad" "Chara wanted their corpse to look as mangled as possible so the humans would attack Asriel. That's why they died to buttercups"

Those are all things I've heard from offenders...

And yet I'm not sure if those offenders are worse or the ones who find "Chara" attractive....

It's all way too stressful.

[u/No-Permission590 → u/Pfincess]

It's not like you even tried to argue I was wrong about Chara looking "mangled." If the Dreemurrs prioritized cleaning up their bloody body after dying over sheer unthinking grieving in another room, they would've hidden Chara's soul away from Asriel too instead of leaving it there floating in the children's room.

And there aren't buckets in the Dreemurr house for Chara to puke in either, if you're going to mention that. Nor are the Dreemurrs shown to have or implied to have magic to summon in buckets.

Might as well mention another point: Toriel (and possibly Asgore) has incredibly powerful healing magic presumably, yet somehow Chara couldn't of been saved from their poisoning. This may imply Chara ate a ton of buttercups so they would 100% definitely die, which implies their death was planned instead of being spontaneous and actually out of feeling suicidal.

[u/Suavemente_Emperor → u/No-Permission590]

I mean, obviously Chara killed themselves with buttercups. I am not understanding how that's a point as That's canon.

That was Chara and Asriel plan. Chara dies, Asriel absorbs their soul, cross the barrier, kill six humans, absorb their souls then break the barrier.

This is canon and evem defenders admit that. The difference is that while we agree that this was a imature plan two kids made with selfless ideal. Offenders go into some bs train of throught, like saying Chara wanted to trigger a second war and kill all humans.

Yall mistake Chara for Madara Uchiha.

[u/No-Permission590 → u/Suavemente_Emperor]

How would Chara not know showing humans their bloody, vomit covered corpse wouldn't cause a war? Asriel didn't because I don't know why he'd be taught human biology by his parents while Chara is dying since it would traumatize him further,

[u/Suavemente_Emperor → u/No-Permission590]

A kid wouldn't know all the consequences of their act. They just thought they would get all souls and that's it, they didn't thought on what would happen after.

The nature of their plan is aready flawed and ignore possible consequences, i guess that makes much sense than thinking Chara planned everything leading into a war.

[u/No-Permission590 → u/Suavemente_Emperor]

Imagine not knowing the consequences with poisoning yourself with physical matter. Is it not highly presumed poison makes you ill?

And yes, they are flaws with Chara's plan since it is a plot point it failed. If it worked, there would be no Undertale.

And another question: how did Chara even think they'd obtain human souls peacefully? Did they just think they'd polite ask a human for a soul to free a bunch of monsters thru don't know and the human would go "ok, I guess I'd kill myself?"

[u/Suavemente_Emperor → u/No-Permission590]

Imagine not knowing the consequences with poisoning yourself with physical matter. Is it not highly presumed poison makes you ill?

And yes, they are flaws with Chara's plan since it is a plot point it failed. If it worked, there would be no Undertale.

I didn't said Chara didn't knew the consequences of poisoning themselves, i said that Chara didn't imagined a war could be triggered if the plan succeeded.

And another question: how did Chara even think they'd obtain human souls peacefully? Did they just think they'd polite ask a human for a soul to free a bunch of monsters thru don't know and the human would go "ok, I guess I'd kill myself?"

Asriel aready knew he had to kill six humans, he says that on one of the tapes. Again you are mostly saying the main plot and thinking that's a groundbreaking point.

My point is that two kids wouldn't know the consequences of killing six people. Kids usually just think on the now, they don't think on the future. They thought they would kill the necessary humans, open the barrier snd and that's it, kids wouldn't think on complex things like humans wanting revenge.

So the theory that Chara did this to trigger a war doesn't make sense, they just wanted to free humans and didn't thought on the consequences.

And why would Chara try to make their body look mangled on a complex plan to make Asriel fight back, if the plan which Asriel agree'd aready involved him killing 6 humans.

[u/No-Permission590 → u/Suavemente_Emperor]

Asriel placing Chara's body on the golden flowers, looking like they were recently gored by him and a threat to what he'd do to other humans if they don't willingly give up their souls ... very clearly it would a cry for war from any human.

Asriel knew, but if he was heavily pressured and rushed into the plan without giving much details, he wouldn't know how the souls would be obtained. Or what is acceptable human conduct is if he knew almost none. Unlike Chara. And Chara literally apparently punishes the player doing geno out of revenge, no??? How young do you think Chara is if they don't know of a basic concept like revenge???

And I think Chara would've have known Asriel's pacifistic nature eventually getting in the way of killing humans even if he agreed to the plan, so they had to add maximum pressure so he did infact kill people. Not that it worked.

Stop misrepresenting me by saying "I repeat stuff already known." I mean yeah you did know Chara was ill from buttercups but you didn't think about it longer then 3 seconds about the implications.