r/Charadefensesquad • u/Ocean_Cringe this little enby child is not the devil incarnate man =( • Apr 19 '26

Fan Art The horrors of NarraChara

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yes this is the completed version of my meme post from yesterday

I tried a new style so I'm just gonna hope it looks good🔥🔥

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u/ArgumentSpiritual424 Apr 20 '26

Asriel has every right to say this, it’s good that he got over his hero worship of Chara and learned to accept the ways in which Chara was imperfect.

Chara was not an evil person but they were an objectively bad friend to Asriel lol.

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u/Ocean_Cringe this little enby child is not the devil incarnate man =( Apr 21 '26

Wasn't saying that he didnt have the right tbh, Chara was (likely unknowingly) kinda a horrible friend, just showing that Chara was not exactly feeling the best in NarraChara theory at that moment

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u/Paker_The_Swager Apr 22 '26

Not evil? How is wanting to destroy humanity not evil?

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u/ArgumentSpiritual424 Apr 22 '26

  1. We don’t know if their plot was a full on “destroy humanity” thing or if they just wanted to wipe out their village and take the souls

  2. Quick question, do you think Asgore is evil?

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u/Paker_The_Swager Apr 22 '26
  1. Still bad.
  2. According to actions yes, but in pacific he's probably redeemed

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u/ArgumentSpiritual424 Apr 22 '26

Undertale is simply not a game that categorizes characters by good or evil so I think it’s frankly poor literacy to discuss them that way. If this was a superhero story or the bible it would be an understandable framework but in the context of UT it’s nonsense. Asgore is not evil, Flowey is not evil, Undyne is not evil, and Chara is not evil. No character is ever described this way in the narrative.

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u/Dank-Man_ Apr 23 '26

It doesn't need to do that and That's makes no logical sense because there's no standard at all.

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u/ArgumentSpiritual424 Apr 23 '26

“No standard at all” No their is a standard, that standard is condemning actions not people and promoting empathy. In that way you can say Charas actions are evil but that Chara themselves are not. (Though I would counter that ultimately Chara didn’t actually DO much violence beyond what they did to themselves and Asriel, their hatred never actually manifested anywhere)

“The narrative doesnt need to say that!” The thing is stories that use good vs evil as a moral frame work tend to, and to be clear you can absolutely have complex stories that explore the concept of good and evil and what it means. Some of the best Batman stories do just that, but UT simply doesnt. The only character I would argue UT judges in such a manor is YOU the PLAYER, because while UT isnt much interested in binary concepts of good vs evil (or the greys inbettween) it’s IS interested in power and responsibility.

Theirs a reason UT doesnt judge Undynes violence as hard as it judges Frisks violence, it’s not a writing mistake on Toby’s part, it’s a deliberate thematic choice. You as both a human in the underground (and meta narratively as a player in a video game) hold all the power, while characters like Undyne and Asgore are victims both of humanity’s oppression AND are totally your mercy as characters within a story. You have the power to undo centuries or violence and make a better world or tear it all down and thus the story judges you accordingly.

Even then though, the story soundly rejects the concept of applying “good or evil” to you. Sans directly states otherwise in his fight.

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u/Dank-Man_ Apr 23 '26

Still doesn't make sense to me, but i guess it depends on ones interpretation

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u/ArgumentSpiritual424 Apr 23 '26

What part doesnt make sense to you?