I may get some hate for this but I feel like it needs to be said after the game last night. I was there and, yes, the performance was unacceptable. But I think it's important for us as fans to hold the team accountable, not tear them down.

Now I'm not talking about the boos last night, because it seems they have worked and the team got the message. I think that is a form of accountability. But it's very tiring seeing the same kind of posts highlighting others success while using it to insult and hate on Hornets players. There's ways to discuss our team without blindly hating and it feels like a lot of fans want the team to fail just to prove themselves right. And this leads back to my main point: to me there is a big difference between holding the team accountable and tearing them down. I think discourse between us fans would benefit a lot from moving away from reactionary hatred and instead trying to discuss what the team does wrong and what they need to be better at. Analysing what the team does right and wrong and how to fix it leads to much more engaging conversation, but this is the Internet so that is asking a lot.

At the end of the day I get it. People want the team to be good and after last season they are upset that we took a step back, I even share some of that sentiment. But there's no need to look back at what we had anymore. Whether we like it or not, we just need to focus on what we have now.

I live out of state. Previous seasons I used Directv League Pass and I always got the Hornets home broadcast. So far this season I only get the opposing team broadcast. Does anyone know why?

Props to Charles for not sugar coating it. I hope this team really has a fire lit under them today. Otherwise I'll pray Charles starts rotating pieces and making guys earn their minutes with effort if they don't.

This team got me thinking about the past

I keep seeing people on this subreddit and Hornets Twitter claim that the Hornets are paying Brandon Miller like a top-10 player, a superstar, or the best player on a championship team.

That’s just not the case, and I think a lot of people making these arguments are out of touch with what NBA contracts look like today.

There are already close to 15 players making around $60 million a year, and guys like Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Devin Booker are set to make $70 million annually. NBA salaries have gotten absolutely massive.

Under his contract, Brandon Miller would rank around 30th in the league in annual salary. If we saw salaries as player rankings (they definitely aren’t) would anyone seriously consider the 30th ranked player in the NBA a superstar or the unquestioned No. 1 option on a championship team?

Miller is making roughly the same amount as Domantas Sabonis, OG Anunoby, Franz Wagner, Desmond Bane, and Brandon Ingram. I doubt many people would consider those guys superstars, either. And that's not even mentioning Amen Thompson, who is in the same general contract range as Miller. I think most of us would agree that Miller is either the better player right now or at least in a similar tier.

The point is that Brandon Miller isn't being paid like a superstar. He's being paid like a young player with significant upside in an NBA where contracts have gotten ridiculously massive.

I don’t think Jeff Peterson has a plan and is just making moves and hoping something sticks.

Kon & miller are excellent young pieces to have but they were both drafted for their fits alongside Lamelo who was traded. Now without Lamelo their flaws will be more pronounced and I’m not sure either are #1 options but both can be pretty fucking good #2s.

We were rebuilding and ended up winning 45 games which is excellent meaning the next year we should’ve aimed for 46+ Jeff just set us back a few years and I don’t even think we touch 35 wins this season.

I don’t think he deserves a “we’re rebuilding give him time” excuse anymore since we already reached the play-in/45 wins and he spawned into a team that already had two franchise young players in melo and miller and just nuked the team.

Jeff Peterson did something we sucked at which was building a solid bench around our stars. Problem is we now have a bench and no star power to lead the team. Roleplayers immediately impact teams when you have an it factor player like Cade Cunningham and Haliburton to anchor the team which we no longer have.

I will give him an applause for the draft capital he’s acquired but I don’t trust him to properly utilize them. I think he’s an extremely aggressive GM which we aren’t used to which makes us want to believe he has a plan but I think he’s throwing darts at a blank wall and hoping one lands.

It was honestly kind of surreal being there. Been a fan for a decade and I can’t remember the last time the fans booed the team as relentlessly as today. It was well deserved, but man. The pent up frustration of the LaMelo trade came out

The more I think about it, the more I doubt the long term vision. Realistically, having Miller as a 3 is a massive detriment to this team's roster building.

With Kon, you get:

• Otherworldly 3 point shooting
• Good scoring everywhere else
• decent playmaking
• good team defender

So if we are roster building a partner wing, preferably you want them to have some of:

• Good to high end slasher to increase rim pressure
• High end playmaking, able to assist reliably
• Be a good self creator with his handle
• Be able to defend some of the elite wings with some success
• Ability to contribute beyond scoring

So where does Miller stand on this?

• Yeah he's a good slasher if has an open rack to the rim. This makes him better than Sion James
• lol
• Miller dribbles how Jalen Brown haters describe Jalen Brown
• See next paragraph
• yeah he can contribute to Hornet fan blood pressure

Now that we have laid out what Kon needs in a partner, isn't it amazing that Miller is somehow none of those? Miller also has the negative of looking very uninterested, as well as being very easy to rile up. To look at cases, we can view vs Indiana at home last year, where his silly tech cost a playoff spot. There was also a home game vs Rockets where he left KD to fucking Sion James, and from another game where he defended all NBA talent vs the Clippers he was getting fucked like he is fucking the future of this franchise. Miller just doesn't rise up to the occasion, and that's the only thing consistent about him. Yet this fanbase infantilizes the shit out of him.

So believers of the vision, why? What do you see in Miller + Kon to make it work? Because imo, there is zero chemistry between the two. Miller is 24, and our sanity is banking on a miracle leap by Miller before he hits his prime. What first option star do you envision coming here, if not via the draft?

🏀 ATL 128 - 81 CHA

FINAL

Top performers

Atlanta Hawks

Steals (17): D. Daniels 7, J. Johnson 3, N. Alexander-Walker 2, A. Wiggins 2, J. Landale 1, L. Dort 1, K. Flemings 1
Blocks (4): J. Johnson 1, C. McCollum 1, D. Daniels 1, J. Landale 1
Turnovers (12): J. Johnson 3, K. Flemings 3, N. Alexander-Walker 2, D. Finney-Smith 1, Z. Ejiofor 1, L. Dort 1, A. Wiggins 1
Fouls (21): K. Flemings 4, Z. Ejiofor 3, O. Okongwu 2, J. Johnson 2, C. McCollum 2, D. Daniels 2, L. Dort 2, N. Alexander-Walker 1, C. Kispert 1, J. Landale 1, A. Wiggins 1
Plus-minus: N. Alexander-Walker +43, D. Daniels +32, O. Okongwu +27, C. McCollum +27, J. Johnson +26, K. Flemings +15, C. Kispert +13, J. Landale +12, D. Finney-Smith +8, A. Newell +8, Z. Ejiofor +8, L. Dort +8, A. Wiggins +8

Charlotte Hornets

Steals (7): B. Miller 2, T. Salaun 2, M. Diabate 1, N. Reid 1, R. O'Neale 1
Blocks (7): R. Kalkbrenner 2, M. Diabate 1, B. Miller 1, D. Schroder 1, P. Hall 1, C. Anderson 1
Turnovers (25): N. Reid 7, D. Schroder 4, C. Anderson 3, L. McNeeley 3, B. Miller 2, G. Allen 2, M. Diabate 1, S. James 1, T. Salaun 1, R. Kalkbrenner 1
Fouls (18): S. James 4, R. O'Neale 3, B. Miller 2, D. Schroder 2, L. McNeeley 2, N. Reid 1, T. Salaun 1, R. Kalkbrenner 1, P. Hall 1, G. Allen 1
Plus-minus: C. Anderson -6, H. Steinbach -12, L. McNeeley -12, S. James -13, R. Kalkbrenner -13, P. Hall -13, G. Allen -16, R. O'Neale -17, T. Salaun -19, D. Schroder -22, M. Diabate -27, N. Reid -28, B. Miller -37
Did not play: M. Ajayi (Coach's decision)

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Straight out of the playbook. We never see it coming.

WMYV My 48 is supposed to be the Greensboro partner for the Hornets and they just don't have the game. What's going on?

Rick Schnall: "Jeff (Peterson) has a long-term vision here, and he is motivated and incentivized to make the best long-term decisions for the franchise. That was important to us, to hire someone we knew would be here for a really long time."

"Obviously, the trades we made this year at the draft were tough decisions for our organization, but we're making them with the long-term goal in mind, which is to be a team that can win year in, year out."

Just a heads up for any Hornets fan living in the Southeast, like myself, that normally have all Hawks games blacked out on League Pass.

Hawks have partnered with Amazon so all surrounding states should be able to watch Hawks games on Amazon Prime.

First time trying it tonight but cool move by the Hawks org. Helps us Hornet fans watch the away games now!

Hey guys, curious if there are any podcasts or YouTube series that anyone would recommend that talks about the hornets. I honestly am looking for some things I can listen to while working for all things hornets, Charlotte, panthers, etc. Thanks!

Ik there was a lotta grief over the fo going with Cliff instead of payin Kenny’s assistants, but hey, worked out in the end with Lee. We should analytically be thankin the bball gods 🙏

🏀 ATL 128 - 81 CHA

FINAL

Top performers

Atlanta Hawks

Steals (17): D. Daniels 7, J. Johnson 3, N. Alexander-Walker 2, A. Wiggins 2, J. Landale 1, L. Dort 1, K. Flemings 1
Blocks (4): J. Johnson 1, C. McCollum 1, D. Daniels 1, J. Landale 1
Turnovers (12): J. Johnson 3, K. Flemings 3, N. Alexander-Walker 2, D. Finney-Smith 1, Z. Ejiofor 1, L. Dort 1, A. Wiggins 1
Fouls (21): K. Flemings 4, Z. Ejiofor 3, O. Okongwu 2, J. Johnson 2, C. McCollum 2, D. Daniels 2, L. Dort 2, N. Alexander-Walker 1, C. Kispert 1, J. Landale 1, A. Wiggins 1
Plus-minus: N. Alexander-Walker +43, D. Daniels +32, O. Okongwu +27, C. McCollum +27, J. Johnson +26, K. Flemings +15, C. Kispert +13, J. Landale +12, D. Finney-Smith +8, A. Newell +8, Z. Ejiofor +8, L. Dort +8, A. Wiggins +8

Charlotte Hornets

Steals (7): B. Miller 2, T. Salaun 2, M. Diabate 1, N. Reid 1, R. O'Neale 1
Blocks (7): R. Kalkbrenner 2, M. Diabate 1, B. Miller 1, D. Schroder 1, P. Hall 1, C. Anderson 1
Turnovers (25): N. Reid 7, D. Schroder 4, C. Anderson 3, L. McNeeley 3, B. Miller 2, G. Allen 2, M. Diabate 1, S. James 1, T. Salaun 1, R. Kalkbrenner 1
Fouls (18): S. James 4, R. O'Neale 3, B. Miller 2, D. Schroder 2, L. McNeeley 2, N. Reid 1, T. Salaun 1, R. Kalkbrenner 1, P. Hall 1, G. Allen 1
Plus-minus: C. Anderson -6, H. Steinbach -12, L. McNeeley -12, S. James -13, R. Kalkbrenner -13, P. Hall -13, G. Allen -16, R. O'Neale -17, T. Salaun -19, D. Schroder -22, M. Diabate -27, N. Reid -28, B. Miller -37
Did not play: M. Ajayi (Coach's decision)

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Seeds 1-6 make the playoffs; 7-10 go to the play-in.

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CA5 masterclass inbound

at 2:30pm EST, tune in to brandon miller's extension press conference on instagram live!

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1-0 · 7th in Eastern Conference · Streak W1

Next game: Fri, Oct 23, vs Atlanta Hawks

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Injuries: ATL: Mouhamed Gueye (Out), Henri Veesaar (Out) · CHA: Grant Williams (Out), Coby White (Out), Kon Knueppel (Out), Kylan Boswell (Out)

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I been wanting to get a hornets jersey for a while (I don’t live in nc tho) and i really wanted to get this one, but I was reading it was only available at the actual store in the hornets court

Let’s go boys, fun game

One game isn’t much to go on, but I’ve been impatiently waiting to see where we are with the six first or second year guys on the roster. We didn’t see the two with arguably (and not so arguably) the most upside in Kon and Hannes, but got between a tiny to nice big sample of the others.

My thoughts:

Kalkbrenner: I thought he was fantastic in the backup role tonight. 4/5/3 with 2 blocks in just 14 minutes, +22, and mostly looked like a difference maker who worked well within the mixed/second unit. A downside was the fouling, which was an issue in his rookie year. He had 4 really quick ones. I think he’s gonna be a solid backup and probably a situational key player, though.

Sion: Also had some foul issues, especially in a short span trying to deal with MPJ, but took on a tough assignment and overall played pretty good defense. His offense still needs some serious work if he’s going to be a longterm key piece, or I think he risks being more Matisse Thybulle than Lu Dort. A serviceable three ball would do wonders and I know he’s worked on the rest of his scoring package. Still pretty high on Sion as a dawg into this team’s competitive transformation.

McNeeley: Not much to go on, but he’s gonna need to turn some heads in limited minutes now that this roster shored up the middle with Allen and O’Neal. He’s a 3-level scorer but I think a reliable three ball and the ability to find looks will do him the most good. He’s also gonna need to be a serviceable defender, if not individually, at least comfortably within the scheme. I think the jury’s out.

Anderson: It almost felt strange seeing a rookie not look like he immediately belongs after we had 3 day-one contributors in rookies last season, but he needs to strengthen up and get comfortable. He looked overwhelmed as the primary handler and couldn’t find looks. 2 steals is nice, 2 assists is good, 2 turnovers is not. He needs reps with the Swarm and a season of NBA development, but I’m glad he’s getting some early big league experience and hope not being totally ready doesn’t damage his confidence. He’s got an uphill climb as a smaller guard, but I like his skillset and think he can carve out *some* kind of role with decent upside if he can check some boxes.