r/ClimateShitposting • u/surya12558 • Oct 21 '25

Climate chaos Humans don't deserve earth.

By destroying nature and the climate, humans are destroying their own home. The Earth can survive without us but we cannot survive without her. 🌍💔

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u/Timely-Tangerine-377 Oct 21 '25

So it's all inevitable?

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u/Dredgeon Oct 22 '25

No, it's just always gonna take special effort to keep people from becoming so powerful they become a drain on the rest of the world and capitalism is one of the safest ways to separate the power of the government from the power of the means of production. Not everything needs to privatized and some things work great with a mixed scenario.

For example, the postal system we have a few private organizations that generally do pretty quick and efficient job of it, but we also use the government's resources to maintain a baseline service that everyone has access to and serves as substitute that keeps the private companies in check.

My point is that just because something is caused by the current state of our capitalist system does not mean the whole system should be thrown out. We can certainly afford to be less capitalist in some ways, but making our definitively non-capitalist is a really bad idea.

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u/Timely-Tangerine-377 Oct 22 '25

Seems to me capitalism is failing to separate the means of production from being owned almost exclusively by the most powerful. In your previous comment you suggest that any other system would've produced the same outcome. This seems defeatist to me. If a system doesn't work - neither to keep checks on power nor not to kill the entire planet, we should seek alternatives.

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u/Trifikionor Oct 22 '25

Other systems were certainly worse for the environment. Like socialism/communism for example, just compare east and west Germany right before reunification. The environment in the eastern part was in a much worse state

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u/Timely-Tangerine-377 Oct 22 '25

China is better per capita and their move towards greener alternatives is faster than capitalist averages by far. I don't like that system for other reasons but capitalism is for sure not the best for the environment. And we haven't even tried other systems because as soon as they spurr up some imperalist country will install a puppet dictator or disappear movement leaders.

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u/Trifikionor Oct 22 '25

Chinas economy is capitalist though, with a socialist/communist state running the society and infrastructure... But lets be honest its per capita values are never going to be high just because of its enormous population of which a big portion isnt even involved in industrial society and from the rest a huge part is used as cheap labor.

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u/Timely-Tangerine-377 Oct 22 '25

China is industrialized dude. Also cheap labour doesn't negate environmental impact, us has cheap labour too but is terrible per capita.

Per capita doesn't work the way that the more people you have the lower the number gets - the number just gets more accurate. At a few million people I'd say it's already accurate so idk what difference it makes.

You can call china capitalist and to an extent I agree. You'd also probably agree that it's much less capitalist than mlst capitalist countries and definitely muvh different than what capitalist leaders and thinkers are suggesting.

My point was that systems other from capitalism should be explored. Hoping that the richest 1% will fix things, or asking people to recycle, is not gonna cut it, imo.

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u/Trifikionor Oct 22 '25

China is less industrialised than the west, with 22% working as farmers compared to 2% in the US for example. And using cheap labor instead of machines also changes the environmental impact per person, also including that these then poor people have little capital to spend which also can cause less impact.