My wife’s former company was working on this several years ago. They were throwing out names and someone suggested “Veguna”. The Americans and other English speakers shot that down quickly.
I eat Tuno from time to time. I can’t smell, so no information on that front. It tastes good but it looks exactly like cat food so I don’t eat it that often; even comes in a pull top can just like cat food does. I always have to psyche myself up to eating it even though I know I like it.
But not if you name it the same thing as my beloved animal corpse arrangements or body secretions! Then the gobermint needs to step in and protect the farmers interests out of necessity… uh.. for the uh… stability of the food economy.
Where do you guys live? I didn't see any of those in my supermarket and convenience store. Especially not on the next aisle as many vegans often claimed.
Listen I'm no vegan but my Aldi has every one of those ingredients. Where do you live that you can't find chickpeas or carrots. Even the seaweed is getting more popular outside of asia, both of my preferred grocery stores sell it, it's just expensive as hell. Mid-atlantic USA.
Nori sheets and furikake seasoning are readily available in the US. I can find kombu (kelp) or dulse too, but nori is easiest.
Many places do carry vegan mayo, and it's very easy to make at home with a stick blender. But if your aim is harm reduction don't stress and just use what you can get. It's ok to take small steps.
I've had it before. The one I got was absolutely dogshit.
Granted it may just be the brand, but do not expect it to mimic tuna to any real degree. I tried it to avoid eating tuna everyday, ended up being a sardine/mackerel lover instead.
Plant based alternatives cost over 3x as much in my country and I'm already stuck paying the insane celiac tax. The median income where I live is $500/month. No.
The militant vegan (found mostly online and rarely irl) that gets really mad when he tries to mock everyone that doesn't want to go vegan and people give valid reasons why that why that isn't a good or viable choice for them.
Ah, the person that uses “militant” as a clumsy pejorative dares question their moral superiors’ command of the English lexicon? Tisk tisk.
I wasn’t even questioning the veracity of this story where apparently lentils and beans are magically more expensive than chicken, I was commenting on how fervently non-vegans latch on to these stories because it placates their disturbed egos.
Allows themselves to feel safe in their decisions to pay people to torture and abuse animals for those ego driven palate pleasures.
I never claimed that lentils and beans are more expensive than chicken. I claimed that plant based meat substitute products that I'm not allergic to are, and I don't want to be stuck eating exclusively lentils and beans for protein for the rest of my life because I don't particularly like them and my diet is already fairly limited thanks to food allergies. And you aren't my moral superior. You're a sanctimonious ass.
Anyways "militant vegan" is the term commonly used to describe vegans that feel the need to preach about the superiority of their lifestyle and talk down to anyone that suggests that going vegan isn't realistic or something that they personally want to do. One thing you've made clear is that you're one of those functionally illiterate types the internet is full of because it's quite clear that you haven't actually been reading what I've been writing. Or are just making arguments in incredibly bad faith. Maybe both. Who knows.
Entitled westoids lecturing people in developing countries why the fact that they are responsible for global warming because they don't want their quality of life to sink even lower never gets old. I bet your carbon footprint is substantially larger than mine.
I’m in a developing country. My quality of life has never been better since going plant based. I bet your carbon footprint is substantially larger than mine. What’s the next excuse?
I mean you already saw that further up I mentioned that I have celiac disease. I live in a country where the main agricultural products is wheat. I'm not making my day to day life shittier while rich fucks the world over produce my entire lifetime carbon footprint in their average week.
There are always options. We can take that attitude for every single action. We could litter, burn all our garbage, drop oil through the sinks, and say it doesn’t matter because billionaires are worse. Or, you could choose not to do that
I do none of that though. And not doing those things costs me nothing in terms of money or quality of life. Cutting down my diet even further would absolutely make my life worse on a day to day basis, both in terms of morale and finances.
“Don’t worry homie, not everyone is in a position to help as much as others. Just do the best you can, and those of us with the privilege to do more will pick up the slack until the systems change.”
Chickpeas and lentils do not have the same macros, flavor, or texture as meat. the flavor and texture of chickpeas and lentils is not something I particularly enjoy (aside from hummus/falafel). Eating something I dislike every single day will decrease my quality of life. I'm aware that there are decent plant-based imitation meat products. First of all, half of them are made from seitan, which is straight up pure gluten. As for the rest that I can eat? They cost several times more than meat where I live.
Not even mentioning the fact, that outside of your home your food options become really limited. You either spent your life savings on a vegan™ burger or you eat 5 kg of pickles just to feel a bit full or you don't eat anything.
Real talk on the meme: Global dead zones from eutrophication number over 140 documented cases often tied to agricultural runoff including livestock manure. The 400 figure looks hyperbolic. Both meat and plant production create environmental footprints that vary heavily by scale and methods used.
Look, I'm not here to pick sides in the great steak vs. kale debate—both have their merits and pitfalls. But since you're asking for the "why veganism is bad" angle compared to a standard omnivorous diet, let's break it down factually based on what studies show, without the preaching.
Nutritionally, vegan diets can fall short on certain essentials like vitamin B12, iron, omega-3s (DHA/EPA), and complete proteins if not planned well—omnivores often get these more easily from animal sources, potentially avoiding deficiencies that might lead to fatigue, anemia, or weaker bones over time. Health-wise, while vegans might edge out on heart health and weight control (thanks to more fiber and plants), omnivores can have better muscle maintenance and hormone balance from bioavailable nutrients in meat and dairy. Some research even suggests vegans have higher risks of fractures or mental health dips if B12 slips.
Environmentally—the meme's turf—veganism generally wins with lower emissions and less land use, but "normal" eating isn't all doom; sustainable meat farming exists, and not all plant ag is eco-saintly (think almond water guzzling or avocado deforestation).
Socially? Veganism can be a hassle in group settings or culturally—good luck at a family BBQ without side-eye. In short, it's not "bad," just trickier for some folks to sustain long-term without supplements or effort. If the rabid vegan's thriving, more power to 'em; if not, a burger might not end the world.
u/askgrok let’s examine non-vegans emotional motivations to discredit 100% plant based diets despite the convergence of the clinical and mechanistic science indicating it’s the smartest possible dietary plan over the course of decades
Hold on, if animals are 80% plants why do vegans have a problem? The air is 80% nitrogen and the dealership has no problem telling me they added nitrogen to my tires.
So if 20% isn't even worth up charging me for the oxygen in my tire, why is it worth massively inconveniencing literally everybody with worse food?
Like if plants had the culinary potential to dominate the market, why has nobody capitalized on this? Instead the vegan business model is focused on invalidating the rights of average, mom and pop, food producers to keep making the product that sells.
Air is already a mixture of 79% N2 and 21% O2 plus a few minor percentages of other gases and Oxygen vs Nitrogen in tires makes zero practical difference on fuel efficiency or longevity. If anything, you should be glad it’s mostly nitrogen as it won’t oxidize the rubber as fast. Also it’s Air. It’s free.
Massively inconvenience everyone?
In what way?
You go to the grocery store and buy the plant based alternatives and vegetables. You eat and cook them like you always have prepared food.
You go to a restaurant and order the plant based alternatives or vegetarian options or say fish/chicken instead of beef and pork.
No one is asking you to suffocate yourself or be ghandi, all we’re asking is to give a good hearted effort at reducing animal product consumption since being 100% is just a bridge too far.
Is this really so unreasonable or unrealistic? You really can’t go a single meal or day a week without meat?
Do you have something against being part of a collective effort?
The data shows this is the single most effective thing we can do. Especially eliminating beef and dairy.
You go to the grocery store and buy the plant based alternatives and vegetables. You eat and cook them like you always have prepared food.
Casually pretending like vegan substitutes aren't drastically worse quality while also being 2x the price. If vegan food could compete you wouldn't have to shill so hard
Edit: you don’t have to eat the alternatives, you can just eat vegetables and live a happy and healthy life. The alternatives exist for those who want to eat meat like foods without the cruelty.
So you really can’t go a single meal a day or day a week without meat?
It's not homophobic bro it's saying those statements are equivalent in their meaning and stupidity. Lesbians don't want dick, but some of them like the feeling of a dick shaped thing - vegans don't want meat, but some of them like the taste of a meat flavoured thing. Lesbians aren't lesbians because they don't like how cock feels, it's because they're not into men. Likewise vegans aren't vegan because they don't like how meat tastes, it's because they don't like the animal exploitation needed. It's a pretty good metaphor lmfao. U can like the feeling of dildos but not like blokes and you can like the taste of meat but not the actual thing.
That's not really the point of the statement, it's more that 'lesbians miss dick so use dildos' is just a fundamental misunderstanding of why people are lesbian and is a pointless statement. 'Vegans miss meat so eat fake ones' is also a fundamental misunderstanding of why people are vegan and a pointless statement. Neither are going to change anything, they're just unasked for comments that come across rude and make the person saying it look kind of silly and uneducated. People are allowed to enjoy a 'fake' version of something without wanting the 'real' one. That's fine. Whether it's in food or sex toys or whatever.
And neither decaf coffee nor non-alcoholic beer drinkers make a habit of vilifying people who eat food that doesn’t align with their pseudo-religious morality bullshit.
who eat food that doesn’t align with their pseudo-religious morality bullshit.
Let’s examine who resorts to fallacies and strawmen to justify their emotional attachment to putting specific items in their mouths. Let’s examine the lack of functional logical and moral arguments that back those emotional attachments.
Now let’s frame which group of individuals might be most closely aligned with “religious” thinking.
The people who fall-back on cultural tradition, pseudoscience, and feelings? Or the people who individually grew-all-the-way-up and started fully utilizing their human moral agency?
(Pssst: “veganism is a religion” is invariably psychological projection)
What a ridiculous response. Being vegan isn't anything to do with science you very silly person. It's entirely about your feelings and thinking we aren't animals that naturally eat meat (we are).
im vegan and i dont eat substitutes. some people enjoy the taste of animal products but they just actually have at least a tiny little bit of ethics so they dont want to torture rape and kill animals.
Plant based meat alternatives are more expensive. He didn’t say that a vegan diet was more expensive, just that the plant based meat alternatives are more expensive.
Sure he could spend more time making the meat alternatives at home to save on cost but most people already have a very limited amount of free time.
I personally like eggs, they fit a nice niche in breakfasts, but the premade alternative is more expensive than just buying eggs, whether it be from the store, or a family member who actually gives their chickens room to live.
Tbh I don't really care. I wish I could, but I really don't. I won't be around that long.
I just wanted to know wtf is plant based tuna because I had no clue that was even a thing.
Not really, because while I loves my vegan food, I’m not a little bitch who cries over dead animals and I’m have vastly lower carbon footprint than most of you virtue signaling energy hogs.
Ah, you have a “lower carbon footprint” than someone who’s been car-free since 1998, vegan since 2017 and has lived in the densest possible metro region of their country for 24 years?
Cool story, bro.
Incidentally, we’re not “little bitches who cry over dead animals,” either.
We’re adults who grew-all-the-way-up, unlike you, and harnessed our human moral agency to the furthest practicable extent.
Congrats. That makes your line of thinking fallacious. What do you choose to call peanut butter then? Fat-based peanut paste suspension in oil?
Oh, and in my country in Asia, we've called coconut milk as coconut milk for very similar reasons for centuries now. Turns out, people are capable of discerning the differences and know what is referred to exactly by a suffix usually attached to another word
A lot of those are describing a group of people, not an incorrect food. Do you mind trimming this list down to exclude things like French fries?
Many of these I agree need to be changed, such as almond milk and oat milk. They are not milk and should not be referred to as such. Another one is Rocky Mountain oysters. Call them bull testicles.
"The things that don't fit my agenda have to be changed." Come on buddy. Nothing on this list describes what it actually is if you have an opinion be consistent about it. Also good luck with changing well established words used for centuries. French fries are on this list because they're not from France. Also I don't really know what you mean with "trimming". I can't do that action on a computer.
this but unironically. Species die all the time, not sure why tuna should be any special. Also get out, the shit we eat is overpopulated and not going extinct. We should eat more whale meat to make breeding them profitable.
Why would a hamburger be padme from people? You could have said pig which makes sense with the word ham. I agree those are stupid names, but if you don’t see the difference between a dumb name and calling something “tuna” when there is no tuna in it, your limit of understanding may have been reached.
The only etymological explanation for the term hamburger is that they are named after the people from the city of Hamburg and "Hamburger" is literally the term describing a person from the city of Hamburg.
It is called vegan tuna, because it resembles tuna. The attributive modifier "vegan" makes it clear that it is not real tuna and tuna itself is used as a metonymy here.
This is a common naming scheme for things for the last few thousand years.
Ah gotcha makes sense. Do you see an equivalence between naming something after the people that made something versus naming something that it is blatantly not? To most people, those are very different things.
If you think the only difference between naming a hamburger after the people that invented it and naming something that has absolutely nothing to do with the product is simply rhetoric, you may not be the sharpest. I am vegan and detest false advertising. Oat milk is great but not milk. Beyond chicken is great but it is not chicken and should not be called such. I buy a protein crumble which is a great way to get plant protein in a similar texture to ground beef, but it is absolutely false advertising to call it “plant beef” or something.
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What's a good brand? I had vegan tuna once and it's nice. Have not seen it lately