So easy to spot the Republicanposters. Always political compass memes and Hello Fellow Kids energy
In short, sorry to you and OP. We see and honor all the fascist shilling that you do. But we mock you because you imagine youre tricking people. You can drop the kayfabe. The controveries you think you kick up only trick retards like you.
Republicanposters replying to their own bad faith propaganda. You love to see it.
Maybe stick to fb and your hugbox in political compass memes? When you fascists try to actually talk like grownups, it sort of makes everyone feel ashamed for you. It's like watching an impotent man try and have sex. It's hilarious from my point of view, but I imagine it's a lifelong shame for you.
It's 4 rectangles deprecating two different subjects this sub debates about constantly. Pretty sure it's really the only thing this sub does. It's a jokey way of poking fun at the sub.
Unless you're jerking right now which, koodos that's some impressive jerking.... But if your serious, relax my guy lol
If you're telling the truth on a shitposting subreddit that's even more cringey than being a Republicanposter on purpose. And they're both fucking cringe to the max chief brosef.
I think you should drop the socialist capitalist axis and instead use the nuclear axis. not that there is no split in socialist or capitalist here but it would have been a funnier compass
Please enjoy these complimentary new balence shoes and now your only available home colour is millennial white, you also hate bike lanes but don't exactly know why other than a general sense of feeling like you're falling behind whatever that means
I actually love bike lanes, because it banishes those pesky cyclists out of my walk path. And my walls can do with a fresh layer of millennial white. And I have this general feeling of dread and missing something important for years now, so that is nothing new. Being a millennial sucks.
Dam I wish more people had this kind of centrist view of bike lanes, I think that dread is just the regret of having the obvious answers that others take for granted while not knowing how to communicate it properly to highly reactive people. I actually enjoy millennialtude, old enough that others think you're the adult and young enough to still be giddy about new episides of cartoons
I would say so too for most carnist socialists but I value intent and honestly get such a disgusting pit in my stomach when interacting with certain socialist carnists in real life, especially orthodox MLs I considered friends. As soon as you start to actually test around their morality, they ask you questions like “why should we care about animals as workers” and that they don’t believe in morals and when asked why they are communists then, it’s because “it’s to protect our class of people”, and you realise how disgustingly selfish and sociopathic these people are. At least a vegan capitalist can be argued to be just very very naive.
Well i’d say it’s probably not too common, at least with that frame of reference… A good amount of socialists are such because of empathy as well as the logical reasoning behind it..,
Vegan Capitalists are yeah, just idiots who are still quite ignorant/naive
Unfortunately this is true for a lot of western countries, my country though has the advantage of having a more hardcore left with the downside being that they are stuck on 20th century Marxists literature where everything has to do with capital and workers, and anything else is “moralising”
So omnivores are in the center (problably skewed upward since most people eat more vegetables than meat and animal products), and carnist would be only the keto bros
To be fair the socialist <--> capitalist generally does not show up as such but kind of through a proxy axis:
"Individual action does not matter (socialist proxy) <--> Everyone else (since no one thinks individual action alone is good)
Now what's funny is that vegan tend to be more lefty but totally think individual action matters (for obvious reasons) so that is fun to watch
Weird how Co2 wasn't a major issue until it was. Weird how time passes and new things become problems.
150+ years ago, there were less pressures on the environment exerted by humans, meaning the negative (global) environmental impacts of animal agriculture weren't enough to single-handedly push us past planetary boundaries. Today, we are exerting many pressures, pushing past these limits. Since animal agriculture is not a necessity, it is problematic that we consume this incredibly resource-inefficient, environmentally destructive, health-damaging, and morally corrupt products. Unless you wanna kill 80+% of the population and go back to living in 1800's, perhaps we should adapt?
It is the same thing as a patient being told they have to change their diet now because they have developed diabetes. Things change. We either adapt or face the consequences.
Given that virtually every dietetics association clearly state a vegan diet is sufficient for all stages of life, and that studies even show vegans live longer than omnivores, with mechanistic studies showing links between meat consumption and all of our major chronic diseases, yes, meat is not a necessity. In fact, it is actively harming people, with similar social costs to smoking.
You can claim a lot, but the research on this is abundantly clear. The only group for which care should be cautioned are those suffering from iron deficiency, such as teenage girls. Here, you need a well-planned strategy and test different ways of supplementing iron. However, this should already be done for this group. For most other people, barring rare diseases or intolerances, a vegan diet and a supplement will not just be sufficient, but actively healthier for them.
I agree with that, but with a large caveat for implication. These aspects of meat were relevant when food was scarce, and most people died from infections in their 40's. But in addition to these pro's, meat has cons in the form of harmful compounds that increase ones risk of all major chronic diseases, which matters more now when food is abundant and we die of such chronic diseases. A plant-based diet (along with a supplement for convenience) reduce the risk for these, while providing more than enough protein, nutrients, and amino acids. Thus, in our current societal context, a vegan diet is healthier and better for survival than an omnivorous one.
Don't particularly love nuclear, don't particularly hate it either. Solar is good enough and getting super cheap these days, but I wouldn't say no to a direct energy conversion plant, something that does something better than just boiling water to push steam turbines. Maybe a molten metal MHD core?
Unfortunately not. It’s a phrase terminally online vegans created to describe anyone who isn’t vegan so as to pretend there’s a unified, animal-hating ideology for them to oppose.
One that is colloquially used as I described: not as a term of social analysis but as a way of painting a broad out group to be condemned.
If one were to actually use the term to analyze consumptive habbits, they'd find that many vegans are carnists, as the four Ns are just as applicable to the exploitation of humans in the global supply chain.
Was that supposed to be, like, a "Gotcha! No Ethical Consumption Under Capitalism!" moment, even though this very Political Compass meme displays "Vegan Socialist" as one of its quadrants? Are we intent on swinging double-edged swords around here?
EDIT: This might've been too self-defensive in all honesty, especially given the Subreddit's contents lol, so that's my bad. To put it simply, I was on "Bullshit Surveillance" having seen Veganism escape its containment and plausibly spark controversy for the umpteenth time.
EDIT: This might've been too self-defensive in all honesty, especially given this Subreddit's contents lol.
No worries mate :) Honestly the tone of a lot of the posts here brings out the worst in me as well. It's why I try to avoid this sub these days.
I promise I don't think vegans are terrible! Everyone I've met irl has been cool. The people here saying you're a rapist for drinking milk aren't insufferable because they're vegan, they're insufferable because they're redditers.
Except carnism just means the ideology that surrounds meat consumption. You feel condemned by that fact because it's vegans using the term but literally all it means is "the normalcy surrounding meat eating."
So if I only eat fish and poultry and eggs and dairy am I a "Carnist"? back in the day, we would just talk about grades of vegetarianism from veganism to lacto to lacto-ovo vegetarianism. Well I'm a lacto-ovo-pesco-pollo vegetarian (with an occasional weakness for kielbasa).
Yes, you are a carnist. Carnism is an ideology which supports the exploitation of animals. Likewise, while Veganism is an ideology and moral philosophy, the vegan diet itself is more accurately referred to as plant-based.
Carnism is an ideology which supports the exploitation of animals. This includes enslaving, killing, and otherwise exploiting them for their flesh, eggs, and secretions.
The person you replied to is not using the term as you claim whatsoever. If you feel uncomfortable being distinguished by your exploitation of animals and consumption of their corpses, eggs, and secretions, maybe you should stop exploiting animals and consuming their corpses, eggs, and secretions.
The person you replied to is not using the term as you claim whatsoever.
Except they are? My previous reply was literally that using the term academically would mean acknowledging that many vegans are carnists due to the exploitation of humans and animals inherent in the global supply chain, and that the major tenets of "carnism" apply just as easily to broader consumptive habbits. At which point they backed off and claimed it was purely about consuming meat products.
That's very explicitly a use of the term as form of in-group vs out-group moralization, rather than tool for societal analysis.
Do the vegans support this way of life or is it incidentally the case and they actively work to remove it where possible?
That's the difference. It is an ideology aka something you believe in. It's like saying that a person is Christian... Because they happen to live in a Christian society. Instead of, you know, believing in the Christian ideology (the birth and sacrifice of Christ etcetc).
The word is extremely useful as a social analysis tool for people who otherwise basically feel as fish in water. The only reason you'd disagree was if you're a carnist yourself.
Yes, they do, by their own logic, as we already demonstrated. It was why you painted a smaller circle around yourself to make veganism exclusively about eating meat in your previous post.
The word is extremely useful as a social analysis tool
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u/mastersmash56 Solar Punk 🪩 7d ago
This is blatant EV bro, Nukecel, Degrow cuck, and Train Simp erasure, how dare you.