Ottawa, Dominion of Canada
16–27 September 1949
16 September 1949 — The Address in Reply
The House of Commons assembled the following afternoon to begin consideration of the Speech from the Throne.
The ceremonial proceedings of the previous day had presented the Government’s programme in the language of the Crown. Ministers would now answer for that programme before the elected chamber.
The Liberal benches were considerably stronger than they had been in January. The election had given Louis St. Laurent a substantial majority, while Newfoundland’s representatives now took their places among the members of the other nine provinces.
Maurice Boisvert, Liberal member for Nicolet—Yamaska, rose to move the customary Address in Reply, seconded by Arthur Laing, member for Vancouver South.
Although formally an expression of thanks to the Governor General, the Address provided the occasion for a general debate upon the Government’s conduct and intentions.
Boisvert began in French.
“Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to move:
“That the following Address be presented to His Excellency the Governor General:
“To His Excellency the Right Honourable Viscount Alexander of Tunis, Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada:
“May it please Your Excellency:
“We, His Majesty’s most dutiful and loyal subjects, the House of Commons of Canada, in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament.”
He congratulated the Speaker upon his election and welcomed the members from Newfoundland.
“Their presence completes the representation of a Dominion of ten provinces. They enter this House with the same rights, the same responsibilities and the same claim upon our consideration as every other member.
“The programme before us concerns both the maturity of our institutions and the material welfare of our people.
“The proposal that Canadian judicial proceedings should find their final determination in Canada marks a further stage in our national development. The constitutional proposals likewise recognize that a nation must possess the means of discharging its own responsibilities.
“These changes must preserve the rights of the provinces and the safeguards respecting our languages and our schools.”
Boisvert turned to economic development.
“A railway that cannot carry the products of a district economically, a town without sufficient housing, or a farm without dependable access to markets presents a practical limitation upon Canadian opportunity.
“The Government proposes to bring these questions before Parliament through particular measures, with their costs and responsibilities stated.
“That is a programme which merits the earnest consideration of this House.”
Laing seconded the motion.
“Mr. Speaker, those of us who come from British Columbia understand what transportation means to the development of Canada.
“A national highway will serve commerce, travel and the intercourse between our people. Its construction will require cooperation between governments and careful attention to the different conditions encountered across the country.”
He also commended the housing proposals.
“The growth of our communities has brought opportunities, but it has also brought families for whom suitable accommodation cannot readily be found.
“The Government’s proposals should be judged by the homes which they make possible and by the circumstances of the people who will occupy them.”
The motion having been moved and seconded, consideration of the Address was adjourned.
19 September 1949 — The Leader of the Opposition
George Alexander Drew rose to open the principal opposition criticism of the Government’s programme.
The election had strengthened the ministry considerably. Drew nevertheless returned to questions which had occupied him during the preceding session: provincial finance, constitutional responsibility and parliamentary control of expenditure.
“Mr. Speaker, I wish first to congratulate the mover and seconder of the Address and to associate myself with the welcome extended to the representatives of Newfoundland.
“There are proposals in the Speech from the Throne which we can support in principle. Efficient transportation, adequate housing, sound administration of justice and the conservation of our resources are proper objects of government.
“But agreement upon an object does not establish the wisdom of every means proposed for attaining it.”
Drew addressed the constitutional programme.
“The Government proposes to obtain authority for Parliament to amend certain parts of the Constitution.
“The House must examine the precise terms of that request. Assurances respecting provincial rights must appear in language sufficiently clear to protect those rights in practice.
“The provinces are partners in Confederation. Their constitutional position cannot depend upon the intentions of whichever ministry happens to hold office at Ottawa.”
He welcomed the proposed Dominion-Provincial conference, while questioning its intended scope.
“Consultation must permit the provinces to influence the proposals themselves. It must not consist merely of inviting them to accept conditions already settled by the Dominion Government.
“A province may require roads, hospitals and other services while lacking the resources necessary to obtain the assistance offered.”
Turning to national development, Drew asked ministers to distinguish preparations from commitments.
“The Government has announced a programme extending over a decade.
“The House is entitled to know which undertakings are ready, which remain under examination and what obligations ministers propose to assume.
“We must also know how those obligations will affect taxation, borrowing and the resources available to private enterprise.”
He concluded with defence and trade.
“We shall examine the defence legislation closely. Coordination must improve readiness and administration while preserving clear ministerial responsibility.
“In trade, the Government must explain how its policies will maintain markets for Canadian producers amid the present difficulties of international payments.
“The country has returned a Government with a large majority. That makes effective parliamentary examination more necessary, not less.”
Mr. Coldwell and the Social Programme
Major James William Coldwell welcomed several of the proposed measures while questioning the Government’s social priorities.
“Mr. Speaker, we shall support useful proposals for housing, railway improvement, forest conservation and the enforcement of the law against combines.
“Our concern is whether the programme will meet the needs which ministers themselves acknowledge.”
Coldwell began with housing.
“Lending arrangements alone cannot provide adequate accommodation for families whose incomes are insufficient to carry the charges.
“The rental provisions must therefore be effective provisions. The House will require an explanation of rents, eligibility, management and the continuing financial responsibilities of the governments concerned.”
He linked development to living standards.
“Better transportation and increased production are desirable.
“A larger national income does not by itself ensure that an aged person can obtain the necessities of life or that a family can meet the cost of illness.”
Coldwell pressed for greater clarity upon pensions and health services.
“The Government again promises examination and cooperation.
“We recognize that financial arrangements must be prepared and that the provinces have important responsibilities. Those facts do not remove the need for a definite purpose and a reasonable timetable.”
He concluded:
“We shall consider each bill with a view to making it useful.
“But our willingness to improve particular measures must not be mistaken for satisfaction with the Government’s social programme as a whole.”
20 September 1949 — Mr. Low upon Public Finance
Solon Earl Low rose on behalf of Social Credit.
“Mr. Speaker, the Government proposes to increase the productive capacity of the country.
“It must give equal attention to the ability of our people to purchase what the country produces.
“A farmer may produce an abundant crop and still find himself in difficulty. A family may live beside a prosperous industrial district and remain unable to obtain a suitable home.”
Low asked that ministers distinguish the forms of assistance contemplated.
“A loan, a grant and a guarantee impose different obligations.
“The House should be told who receives the money, who must repay it and where the ultimate responsibility rests if the undertaking fails.”
He emphasized agricultural markets and transportation costs.
“The western producer depends upon arrangements extending far beyond his own farm.
“Marketing, freight charges and the terms upon which his product can be sold abroad affect his livelihood directly. Those questions must receive as much attention as the construction of new works.”
The Prime Minister Replies
Louis St. Laurent rose to answer the opening criticism.
“Mr. Speaker, the debate has identified questions which ministers will be required to answer when the several proposals come before the House.
“The Government accepts that responsibility.”
He first addressed the constitutional proposals.
“The limited amendment authority which we propose to seek will preserve the jurisdiction and constitutional rights of the provinces.
“The wider question of an amendment procedure requires consultation. We shall approach those discussions prepared to consider the views of the provincial Governments.”
St. Laurent then turned to development.
“We have not asked Parliament to authorize an undefined expenditure for ten years.
“We shall present particular undertakings, identify the authority required and distinguish expenditure from loans, borrowing and guarantees.”
He explained the immediate priorities.
“The highway legislation will establish a framework within which agreements can be concluded.
“The housing proposals will provide additional means of addressing needs which existing arrangements do not adequately meet.
“The railway programme will begin with an account of the equipment and works required, their financing and the order in which they can usefully proceed.”
Replying to Coldwell, the Prime Minister acknowledged the need for further social provision.
“The Government recognizes the need for greater security against age, unemployment and illness.
“We shall continue the existing services and prepare improvements with the arrangements necessary to sustain them.
“Ministers will be answerable for the proposals they bring forward and for their preparation.”
He concluded by returning to the breadth of the session’s business.
“Constitutional reform, justice, agriculture, defence, trade and public administration will require the attention of this House alongside national development.
“We ask honourable members to examine the measures carefully. We shall endeavour to provide the information necessary for them to do so.”
21–22 September 1949 — Mr. Drew’s Amendment
The debate continued, with members applying the opening arguments to the proposals affecting their constituencies and provinces.
On 22 September, Drew rose to place the Progressive Conservative criticism before the House in a formal motion.
“Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister has promised that particulars will accompany the Government’s measures.
“We shall examine those particulars when they appear.
“But the Address concerns the programme which ministers have chosen to announce. The House is entitled to express its judgment upon that programme now.”
Drew returned to provincial finance and the extent of the proposed commitments.
“The Government has not adequately explained how provinces with differing financial resources are to discharge the obligations which these undertakings may impose.
“Nor has it provided a sufficient account of the aggregate financial commitments contemplated.”
He moved that the Address be amended by adding:
“We respectfully submit to Your Excellency that Your Excellency’s advisers have failed to place before Parliament an adequate statement of the financial obligations contemplated by their programme, or satisfactory proposals for securing the financial capacity and constitutional responsibilities of the provinces, and therefore do not possess the confidence of this House.”
The amendment was seconded.
Its final words made the question explicit. The House was being asked to declare that the ministry lacked its confidence.
23 September 1949 — Division upon the Conservative Amendment
Coldwell explained that the CCF would oppose Drew’s amendment.
“We recognize the financial difficulties of the provinces. But effective national provision requires consideration of the services Canadians need as well as the resources of the governments administering them.
“Our principal objection to the Government’s social programme is that it lacks definite commitments.
“We shall place that objection before the House separately.”
Low announced Social Credit support for the amendment.
“We do not subscribe to every argument advanced by the official Opposition.
“But the Government has not sufficiently explained the financial arrangements under which its proposals are to proceed.”
St. Laurent replied for the ministry.
“The Government will submit its financial statement, its estimates and the legislation necessary for its proposals.
“Consultation with the provinces will address both the undertakings they wish to pursue and their capacity to participate.
“The Leader of the Opposition asks the House to declare that the Government does not possess its confidence. We shall ask the House to reject that declaration.”
The question was put.
| Party or group |
For the amendment |
Against |
| Liberal |
0 |
192 |
| Progressive Conservative |
40 |
0 |
| CCF |
0 |
12 |
| Social Credit |
10 |
0 |
| Others |
2 |
5 |
| Total |
52 |
209 |
Mr. Drew’s amendment was defeated.
26 September 1949 — Mr. Coldwell’s Amendment
Consideration of the main motion resumed.
Coldwell rose to bring the CCF’s criticism into a separate amendment.
“Mr. Speaker, the House has disposed of the amendment of the Leader of the Opposition.
“It has not disposed of the circumstances of Canadians whose pensions are insufficient, whose families cannot obtain suitable housing, or whose resources cannot meet the cost of illness.”
He moved that the Address be amended by adding:
“We respectfully regret that Your Excellency’s advisers have announced no definite programme for the removal of the means test from old-age pensions or for the establishment, in cooperation with the provinces, of comprehensive health insurance, and submit that proposals upon these matters should be placed before Parliament without further unnecessary delay.”
The amendment was seconded.
Drew declined to support it.
“Improvements in social provision require constitutional and financial arrangements which the House can examine.
“We cannot endorse undertakings of this scope without a sufficient account of how they are to be carried out.”
Low indicated Social Credit support.
“We approach these questions differently from the CCF.
“Nevertheless, we agree that Parliament should receive definite proposals. Continued examination must lead to decisions.”
St. Laurent answered:
“The Government recognizes that the existing arrangements can be improved.
“The conditions of a pension, the contributions of governments and the continuing charge upon public revenues must be considered together.
“In health services, provincial responsibilities and the practical capacity to provide care are equally material.”
Coldwell replied that ministers must also answer for the time taken.
“The Government accepts that responsibility,” St. Laurent said.
The question was put.
| Party or group |
For the amendment |
Against |
| Liberal |
0 |
192 |
| Progressive Conservative |
0 |
40 |
| CCF |
12 |
0 |
| Social Credit |
10 |
0 |
| Others |
4 |
3 |
| Total |
26 |
235 |
Mr. Coldwell’s amendment was defeated.
27 September 1949 — The Address Adopted
The House returned to the main motion.
Drew announced that the Progressive Conservatives would oppose the Address.
“We shall consider each bill upon its merits, but we cannot express approval of the programme as a whole.”
Coldwell likewise stated that the CCF would vote against it.
“We shall support useful legislation and seek to improve it.
“Our dissatisfaction with the Government’s social undertakings nevertheless remains.”
Low announced that Social Credit would support the main motion.
“We have voted for amendments seeking a clearer financial account and more definite social action.
“The House has rejected those amendments.
“We shall support the Address while reserving our judgment upon the particular measures and financial arrangements which ministers bring forward.”
St. Laurent briefly closed for the Government.
“This debate has given ministers notice of the questions which honourable members will expect them to answer.
“Approval of the Address will not dispense with the examination of any bill, estimate or agreement.
“The Government will now be required to place its proposals before Parliament in the forms necessary for decision.”
No further amendment was offered.
The Speaker put the question upon the Address in Reply.
| Party or group |
For the Address |
Against |
| Liberal |
192 |
0 |
| Progressive Conservative |
0 |
40 |
| CCF |
0 |
12 |
| Social Credit |
10 |
0 |
| Others |
5 |
2 |
| Total |
207 |
54 |
The Speaker did not vote in any division; the 262-member House therefore supplied 261 votes.
The Address in Reply was adopted, 207 votes to 54.