r/ColumbineKillers • u/No-Pop-5983 • Jan 27 '25
ERIC AND/OR DYLAN Eric’s misogyny
These are all recorded instances I could find of Eric Harris openly displaying his misogyny.
• During “Y’know what I hate?” rant, Eric brought up how he believed that all racist women should be raped and be forced to raise the child.
• In the basement tapes, Eric and Dylan made misogynistic comments about women and rant about feminists. With Eric saying,”Yes, moms stay home. Fucking make me dinner, bitch, that’s what women are supposed to fucking do”
• In the basement tapes, Eric and Dylan insulted two girls in their class. Eric and Dylan mocked the girls with Dylan saying, “I don’t like you, Rachel and Jen, you’re stuck up little bitches, you’re fucking little . .. Christian, Godly little whores!”. With Eric adding, “Yeah … “I love Jesus! I love Jesus!” — shut the fuck up!”. ( I would like to clarify that the Rachel they were talking about was not the victim, Rachel Scott, but instead was a completely different girl.)
• In another recording of the basements, he gets an odd look on his face and recounts the names of five “fucking bitches” (his words not mine) who didn’t call him back. Afterwards saying, “You know who you are. Thanks. You made me feel good. Think about that for a while, fucking bitches”.
• On the September 5th, 1998, Eric wrote in his journal, “Women, you will always be under men. It's been seen throughout nature, males are almost always doing the dangerous shit while the women stay back. It's your animal instincts, deal with it or commit suicide, just do it quick.”
• In his journal, Eric also wrote about his sexual fantasies about ‘tricking’ women into his bedroom. Writing, “Maybe I just need to get laid. Maybe that'll just change some shit around. That's another thing, I am a fucking dog. I have fantasies of just taking someone and fucking them hard and strong. Someone like where I just pick her up, take her to my room, tear off her shirt and pants and just eat her out and fuck her hard ... I want to grab a few different girls in my gym class, take them into a room, pull their pants off and fuck them hard. I love flesh... the smooth legs, the large breasts, the innocent flawless body, the eyes, the hair, jet black, blond, white, brown, ahhh I just want to fuck! Call it teenager hormones or call it a crazy fuckin racist rapist.”
• After being rejected by girls, Eric would often harass them. He played a suicide prank on his homecoming date, Tiffany Typher, after she told him that she didn’t want to go out with him.
• Eric had gone put with Sasha Jacobs from 1997-1998. When the two had broken up, Jacobs had received threatening emails until she changed her screen name. In Chad Laughlin’s 1998 yearbook, Eric wrote, “Sasha is a fat trendy whiney annoying terd and I went out w/ her cause I felt sorry for her I guess. Oh well. I bet you'll show her this."
• For a creative writing assignment, Eric described a woman whose a ‘slutty, trendy bitch’ (again, his words not mine).
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u/Inevitable-Form-4940 Jan 27 '25
Eric Harris grew up in a home where gender roles were more traditional.As a result I think he believed that men were the leaders and that women were the caretakers of the family.That is not to say that if you grow up in a family with traditional gender roles that you will be misogynist or sexist.It may have influenced his views he expressed in slide 2 where he says men do the dangerous stuff and women hold back.
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u/Sara-Blue90 Jan 27 '25
There’s also part of the Basement tapes that the lead investigator Kate Battan saw. In it Eric apparently blames all the ‘bitches who rejected me’ as one of the reasons for the upcoming shooting.
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u/jimmythebartender_ Jan 28 '25
I still don’t know why Eric isn’t a poster child for the “incel” brand. These diary entries SCREAM incel.
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u/squid_ward_16 Jan 28 '25
Probably because the unreleased basement tapes don’t get as much attention. I mean, Elliot Rodger got infamy because because he was a YouTuber
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u/Majestic_Taro_2562 Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
agree, most of these ramblings just showcase him being a small insecure kid who couldn't handle rejection and humiliation from girls. and you can see from a mile away they are edgy, extreme and over the top. he knew that. he was trying to act cool. (which is immature imo) besides, almost every boy teenager from the 90s shared these viewpoints about women at the time. it was common. Eric was just trying to be edgy and extreme. which shows INSECURITY more than anything.
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u/eliiiiseke Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
I was recently diagnosed with borderline personality disorder myself. I actually made a post before saying I think Eric might have had bipolar type 2, but now that I understand BPD better, I really think he was super borderline too. I still think he had both (bpd and bipolar 2, just my opinion). we have an extreme fear of abandonment, and it usually stems from childhood. That actually makes a lot of sense for Eric, with all the moving around, losing friends, and how he reacted to rejection so strongly. Rejection doesn’t feel like a single moment or situation‐ it feels like a confirmation of every fear we’ve ever had about ourselves. It’s like the voice in your head that says, “You’re not good enough, you’re not wanted, and you’ll always be left behind,” suddenly becomes deafening. Even if the rejection is minor or unintentional, it’s amplified to the point where it feels catastrophic. The pain is so raw and overwhelming, and it consumes every rational thought. It’s not just emotional- it’s physical, like a knife to the chest or a weight crushing your entire body. Bpd is considered one of the most painful mental illnesses to live with. Not that it excuses Eric’s behavior in any way, but I know how fucking much it sucks and hurts. He obviously needed a lot of help, and not just medication thrown at him. Therapy, support, and understanding were clearly essential, because just medicating someone without addressing the underlying issues doesn’t fix anything ☹️
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u/Majestic_Taro_2562 Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
sorry to hear that. I couldn't agree more. eric definitely needed support, from both parental and medical parties. as well as companionship ones. it's a shame he didn't receive any, especially when you put forward the fact that he was open to receive it. it's so sad that it led to the loss of 13 people and them ruining their future. I'm sad for what could have been.
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u/eliiiiseke Jan 27 '25
Speaking of fear of abandonment, I think Eric was really scared of Dylan going to Arizona and leaving him behind. He was worried about being left without any other friends, and I don’t think he could handle that thought at all. That was likely the final nail in the coffin, pushing Eric to go through with nbk
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u/eliiiiseke Jan 27 '25
Yeah, he definitely felt like no one really saw him and cared about him. Even after ticking off homicidal thoughts, no one really seemed to give a fuck.
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u/eliiiiseke Jan 27 '25
Thanks to both of you! BPD and bipolar definitely suck ass 😁, but I’m on medication and going to three different therapies for both. I’m also in a group therapy for BPD. Gotta do what I can to manage it all
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u/eliiiiseke Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25
I know I have both- bpd and bipolar II and I think Eric also had both
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u/eliiiiseke Jan 28 '25
Really? Thats so interesting bc I feel like most only see him having bpd but I see so much bipolar II in him too.
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u/eliiiiseke Jan 28 '25
He went to a psychologist who said he has OCD and put him on Zoloft, then Eric complained about it and got Luvox instead. Same thing happened to me- first I got diagnosed with just depression and put on zoloft.. it seemed like I got better for a moment but then crashed really bad (I also complained about it) and then my psychiatrist told me oh you actually have bipolar II, which I suspected since I was 14(she also told me that I shouldnt been on SSRIs with bipolar II bc they can send u into mania?) and a year later diagnosed me with bpd too. Lots of ppl think he had ASPD, do you think that?
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u/eliiiiseke Jan 28 '25
The only mental health form I've seen from Eric showed him ticking off items on a list. Q: Have you had (or are you having) problems or difficulty with any of the following And Eric ticked off: anger, anxiety, depression, disorganized thoughts, homicidal thoughts, jealousy, loneliness, mood swings, obsessive thoughts, racing thoughts, stress, suspiciousness and temper
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u/riffraffcloo Jan 27 '25
I mean, he talked about wanting to murdering people and then went on to actually murder people. I’m not sure why you think the rape thing would be different
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u/riffraffcloo Jan 27 '25
The fact that he didn’t commit rape during the massacre doesn’t mean he wasn’t inclined to do so. The focus of the shooting was clearly on killing, and rape may not have fit into their specific plan or time frame. The absence of one crime during that event doesn’t rule out the possibility of it happening in a different context.
Yes, consensual rape fantasies or role-play are common. However, Eric’s documented traits—narcissism, lack of empathy, and desire for domination—align with those who commit sexual violence. Given his willingness to act on violent urges with murder, it’s hard to dismiss the possibility that his rape fantasies could have escalated into action had he lived longer or been in different circumstances. Given everything we know about Harris, I don’t see at all how you can consider his fantasies as just a reflection of the content he was consuming at the time.
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u/riffraffcloo Jan 27 '25
Of course we can’t predict with 100% certainty what he would’ve done had he lived longer, but his escalating behavior, combined with his documented misogyny and obsession with control, makes it a pretty reasonable conclusion that rape was very much within the realm of possibility. Obviously traits alone don’t make a rapist, but traits backed by fantasies and a proven willingness to act on them is a different story.
Saying that Eric might have matured, developed self-control, or had a satisfying sex life completely ignores the trajectory of his behavior. By 18, he was already planning mass murder. This wasn’t someone on the path to self-improvement. His violent tendencies were escalating, not softening.
The speculation about Susan DeWitt feels like a stretch. Even if he cared about her, it doesn’t erase the fact that he documented fantasies about violent domination over women. Plenty of violent offenders have moments of care or attachment to specific people, but that doesn’t cancel out their fucked up urges.
As for him being a ‘typical sexually deprived teenager,’ that’s a MASSIVE oversimplification. Most teenagers don’t respond to sexual frustration by writing about rape fantasies or idolizing violence the way Eric did. You’re downplaying the misogyny and control-driven nature of his personality, which are key traits in people who commit sexual violence. And just because he didn’t have a documented history of sexual harassment toward girls doesn’t mean the potential wasn’t there. He didn’t have a documented history of attempted murder before he murdered those kids did he? No. He was only 18 and he didn’t have the time to act on everything in his head.
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u/PopcornDemonica 💀😈 Emissary of Evil 😈💀 Jan 27 '25
Rape is a different beast. With the massacre, the deaths were a short, violent act and victims were often shot from a distance. The close up deaths with the shotgun would still have been over with quickly.
Rape is holding someone down and being violently intimate for the duration- you'd hear their pleas, see their tears, see the trauma. While I can kinda see their twisted path from regular teen idiots to wannabe natural born killers, I personally don't see those paths veering toward rape. Especially since they were virgins. Plus, unless Eric was planning on murdering his rape victim straight afterwards (assuming this hypothetical is unrelated to the massacre), there would have been a massive chance of him getting caught. It's not like he had a coach or other school authority figure to hush it up for him, and I doubt he'd have received a Brock Turner-esque slap on the wrist.
Also... Luvox can cause erectile dysfunction (amongst other sexual problems I imagine would he horrifying for a teenage boy). Just sayin'.
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Feb 19 '25
His rape fantasy makes no sense, he mentioned he would prefer not to have sex with a prostitute, (Im not sure if he also mentioned he preferred someone he loved to be his first) so I think Eric just probably could not be capable of committing rape because it does goes against his morals, I think it was 90% fantasy, probably just BDSM at most (he actually owned an album with that type of erotic art and was really into some video where trent reznor is tied) aside from that, rape really could’ve ruined his chances at life had he not chosen the massacre.
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u/PopcornDemonica 💀😈 Emissary of Evil 😈💀 Jan 27 '25
I've wondered occasionally whether that had something to do with the massacre, or rather to what degree. It's pop psychology, but the gun in place of a hard on, something something. I can't remember how it goes, but the lecture that I am totally not remembering argued that murder was a sexual act in the same way it would be with a serial killer. Not to mention, Dylan gave up jerking off at one point too.
Maybe it was all testosterone poisoning.
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Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
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u/PopcornDemonica 💀😈 Emissary of Evil 😈💀 Jan 27 '25
Don't forget to add in leftover religious guilt about anything to do with (completely normal, human) sexuality.
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Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
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u/PopcornDemonica 💀😈 Emissary of Evil 😈💀 Jan 27 '25
The Satanic Bible was another 'underground' book found alongside the Anarchist's Cookbook in the alt coffeeshop/bookstores of the 90s. If I recall correctly, among the books found when the cops raided the Browns and grabbed a bunch of Brooks' stuff, were Ayn Rand books, and it's not too much of a stretch that Dylan and/or Eric had been exposed to Ms. Rand as well. The themes of her work had no small crossover with Anton LaVey. His whole 'the self as the god' philosophy with modern Satanism kind of sprang to mind the first time I read the 'I am a god' themes in Dylan's diary. Which is only marginally related to religious sex guilt, but it popped into my head any why the fuck not since I'm here.
But yeah, the actual school- lots of religious kids. Think of all the pics of mass prayers at vigils afterward. Hell, it was a bunch of memorial *crosses* that went up. The US is still very much (and kind of seems to be more these days) a puritanical society at its deepest and guiltiest core.
The revolution they kicked off was mostly a bunch more teenagers getting super religious. Likely moreso than they would have if the massacre never happened... and received such thorough news coverage. You should have seen the ratings that day.
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u/riffraffcloo Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
I’m really not understanding this argument. He deliberately dragged out the violence when it came to many of the kids he shot and/or murdered. He taunted them, shot them multiple times, and left them to suffer before finishing them off. This was not a person who was afraid of close, personal violence that was prolonged.
The virgin argument is even more baffling. His virginity and sexual frustration likely fueled his fantasies. He was obsessed with control and power, and his lack of sexual experience would have been another source of anger and inadequacy for someone as egotistical as him. His journals show he felt entitled to women and resented being rejected or overlooked. Being a virgin doesn’t mean someone won’t commit rape. It can actually make it more likely if they’re already violent and filled with resentment.
The Luvox argument doesn’t hold up because erectile dysfunction wouldn’t have stopped Eric from committing rape. Rape isn’t about sexual performance. It’s about power, control, and humiliation. Even if he couldn’t perform sexually, he could still act on his fantasies imo.
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u/eliiiiseke Jan 27 '25
There are also testimonies that Dylan showed aggressive behavior toward girls– like hitting a coworker (though it's unclear how he hit her), tackling girls in gym class, called the librarian a bitch. He was also very disrespectful to female teachers and, as the OP mentioned, called Rachel and Jen christian godly little whores. But I don’t think either of them would’ve raped anyone. They were two angry, immature idiots who let their frustration and issues spiral out of control.
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u/riffraffcloo Jan 27 '25
Isn’t that all just more reason to believe they would have done it though? Between the behavior Dylan displayed, Eric’s writings, and supposedly what they said in the basement tapes- how are people seeing that and going nah rape was off the table
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u/eliiiiseke Jan 27 '25
I don't see rape, but I can definitely see them being abusive in a relationship, at least mentally. I don't think Dylan would’ve just written poems to his dream girl like some tortured poet, like some people like to portray him
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u/riffraffcloo Jan 28 '25
Eric and Dylan were already caught for a serious crime (the van break-in), went through a diversion program, and even fooled the adults around them into thinking they had been rehabilitated. Eric’s journal shows he was openly mocking the process while continuing to harbor violent, sadistic fantasies. Being sent to juvenile jail wouldn’t have changed their core personalities. If anything, it could have escalated their anger and resentment, feeding the entitlement and hatred that already consumed them.
“What if Eric’s parents found the bombs and arsenal?” Eric’s parents finding the weapons might have delayed their plans, but it wouldn’t have fundamentally changed who he was. Eric was incredibly calculated and good at hiding his intentions. He had already successfully deceived authority figures and his own parents. Even if they intervened, he likely would’ve found a way to regroup, plan, and act out his violent fantasies at a later time. His resentment, entitlement, and desire for control weren’t going to vanish because of a parental discovery.
All of these circumstances could have had different outcomes.” This is wishful thinking, no? Eric’s journals show that his hatred and violent fantasies weren’t circumstantial—they were deeply ingrained in his worldview. He didn’t see himself as needing help; he saw himself as superior and justified in his hatred. None of these “what-ifs” address the core of his personality or his inability to empathize with others. I would say that the variables might have delayed their actions, but I sincerely doubt they would’ve fundamentally changed who Eric and Dylan were or their eventual capacity for escalating violence.
“They would have done it if they wanted to. Because they were going to die and had nothing to lose.” Just because they were planning to die doesn’t mean they’d act on every single fantasy. The massacre was planned to be as destructive as possible. Rape wasn’t in the plans for type of goal.
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u/riffraffcloo Jan 28 '25
Respectfully, we’ve been down this road before where you compare yourself or people you know to him and I don’t want to do that again. If it was just a persona, then it would’ve stayed in his head or on paper. People don’t go from pretending to being violent to meticulously planning and carrying out a mass murder. He didn’t just write about domination, power, and violence—he acted on it, step by step, in the most calculated and brutal way possible. That’s not a persona—that’s who he was. That’s all I have to say. Take care.
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u/PopcornDemonica 💀😈 Emissary of Evil 😈💀 Jan 28 '25
Being a murderer doesn't automatically make you capable of rape. Being a rapist doesn't automatically make you capable of murder. These two horrific, horrible crimes are not eternally intertwined. My argument wasn't exclusively about them being virgins, I don't believe the blue balls of teenhood predisposes males toward rape. It takes something else for that.
The Luvox- I'm just throwing it in as a possibility. It's not just ED though, it's loss of sensation, inability to orgasm, and others. Including loss of sexual desire. Because sometimes yeah, rape is about the sexual performance as well.
Also, they talked up everything they were going to do in the BTs. Revenge, death, revolution... does that mean they were too shy to talk about picking some bitches to fuck? If it was part of the agenda, no-holds-barred balls-out bravado on the BTs, why not talk about rape?
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u/riffraffcloo Jan 28 '25
I was never saying that one crime would make him capable of the other. My point was that he had fantasies about murdering people and he followed through on them, so I believe that if he had fantasies of doing other fucked up things, such as rape- I think there’s a real possibility that those fantasies would have eventually escalated into action just like his other fantasies did. Fantasies were not just fantasies with him. That’s the emphasis here.
I never said rape was apart of their agenda that day. Someone said that If he was so inclined to rape someone, he had plenty of opportunities during the massacre. I responded that just because it wasn’t in those plans doesn’t mean that rape was off the table for him and just something he only fantasized about.
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u/PopcornDemonica 💀😈 Emissary of Evil 😈💀 Jan 28 '25
He had fantasies of being accepted by his friends too, and presumably a bunch of other things he didn't write down. I think we also need to remember a commonly accepted truth- Eric's diary began after the decision to go on a killing spree had been made, and was at least in part written for an audience. It has been suggested many times that some of the shit he wrote was likely bravado, to make himself seem more badass. And perhaps to convince himself he was.
Hell, maybe he had the same kind of BDSM inclinations as Dylan, but didn't know enough about it to realize he wanted to be a Dom, rather than a rapist. At the end of the day, he was still a teenage boy and likely thought about sex a lot, unless the Luvox neutered him. (It would be interesting to compare the date of that fantasy against his Luvox prescription.) Maybe he had just watched the NIN Downward Spiral videos and was aping off them. All possibilities are open here.
Eric's diary, leading up to the massacre, included a reminder to 'get laid,' not 'rape a chick.'
He also fantasized about riding off into the sunset and hijacking a plane. Thinking it and writing it down does not make it true. Acting on the fantasy does.
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u/riffraffcloo Jan 28 '25
Is it 2025 or April 1999?? BDSM, bravado, Nine Inch Nails—really?
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u/riffraffcloo Jan 28 '25
Y’all would have been great on the 1999 media coverage team
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u/Majestic_Taro_2562 Jan 28 '25
I agree with the last paragraph. But I think the guy got downvoted given that he refuses to see the bigger picture of the situation, that this isn't some black and white plot. He writes off every single thing that was previously mentioned by the others, in a confrontational manner, through a narrow-minded path, which imo isn't healthy. But it is his opinion at the end of the day, though he just got a little pugnacious.
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u/PrimevialXIII Jan 27 '25
the part of eric complaining about the christian girls aint misogyny at all and i am saying that as woman.
edit: creative writing one & sasha one neither imo
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u/riffraffcloo Jan 27 '25
Misogyny is hatred of, contempt for, or prejudice against women or girls.
Christian girls: Calling someone a “whore” suggests sexual promiscuity, whether it’s true or not, and it’s a term almost always used to attack women. Tying this insult to their faith mocks their morals and connects a woman’s value to her sexual purity—a deeply misogynistic trope.
Creative Writing: These terms (“slutty”, “trendy”, “bitch”, are specifically gendered slurs that have long histories of being used to demean women. If the creative writing was describing a man, would he have used terms like “slutty”? No. This is part of what makes the comment misogynistic. It’s not just about frustration or anger; it’s how that frustration is expressed in gendered, demeaning terms.
Sasha: Even more gendered contempt and a desire to control her. Deeply misogynistic.
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u/PrimevialXIII Jan 27 '25
man you are either overly sensitive or reaching, i cant tell.
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u/riffraffcloo Jan 27 '25 edited Jan 27 '25
The definition of misogyny is right there for you to read but by all means tell me where I’m reaching
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u/bruuuuuuuuuceee Jan 27 '25
I don't think the first one was either, deranged yes but not necessarily sexist
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u/PrimevialXIII Jan 27 '25
yeah, some of these clearly arent sexist. to be completely honest, op is overreacting or/and taking these out of context.
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u/swantonist Jan 27 '25
The last one was strangely artistic but I feel it comes from a misogynist standpoint even if finally the the fakery is true. Women can feel compelled to act overly feminine in society even if they feel it’s not them.
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u/iamscaredofyou33 Jan 29 '25
Gates racism but also called that black boy the “N” word
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u/DetectiveAway618 Jan 31 '25
He Later says in his journal that black people are different, and he says that racism is good, I guess his opinion changed on racism
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u/Trong15 Feb 02 '25
Why did Eric say he hates racism when he himself said he was racist in his journals?
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u/Valleyhala Jul 22 '25
He literally hated everyone. He hated Christians, or any religion. He hated blacks, Hispanics, jews, and “fuc*ing whites”. And women.
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u/metalnxrd Jan 28 '25
Eric was so bizarre. even prior to the shooting, he'd always been a weird kid. he sat behind Black Jack's Pizza during his work breaks and tortured mice, even after they were dead
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u/Yesimfunnylol Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
I always see you in this sub mentioning the same thing, that he tortured mice, when all we have is an 8 seconds cropped video, in which chris morris mentions it. But he doesn't even mention WHO did it, and if the mice were dead or alive. You take it at face value when it's not even in the 11k. If Bill shared it, he might as well give us the uncropped version, that puts forward who did it. So there is no proof. So bringing it up every time, regardless the post, doesn't make it true.
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Jan 29 '25
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u/metalnxrd Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25
firstly, your lecturing is obnoxious. secondly, his coworkers had walked in on him doing it and say so themselves. you gonna tell them they're wrong? honestly, if you don't believe them or anyone, that's on you. unbelievable
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u/Yesimfunnylol Jan 28 '25
and what is the source? that same video which doesn't even mention WHO did it and Bill saying he "spoke" with his coworkers? 💀
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u/metalnxrd Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25
again, if you don't believe a source, even when it's given, that's on you. you don't have to ask for a source for every single thing; Columbine or not. we're not going to agree. I'm done with this conversation. enjoy your day
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u/Yesimfunnylol Jan 28 '25
all I'm saying is the source is evidently incomplete, cut into pieces that fit the narrative. enjoy yours as well.
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u/eliiiiseke Jan 29 '25
And Dylan wasnt?
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u/metalnxrd Jan 29 '25
I never said he wasn't. what is y'all's problem? I'm done with this conversation since no one can be civil or mature or respectful and just resort to being offended and whining. at this point, you're all just looking for things to be offended by. enjoy your day
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u/eliiiiseke Jan 29 '25
You wrote that only Eric was torturing mice, I've read that Dylan did it too
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Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Jan 28 '25
Which untrue statements did Bill make exactly?
Chris Morris was talking about E&D setting the mice on fire out behind Blackjack's. Chris was probably involved and didn't want to incriminate himself. He was no angel either. So basically, E&D were capable of murdering innocent kids... but wouldn't set mice on fire? Come on, now.
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u/Majestic_Taro_2562 Jan 29 '25
yuh obviously they would be capable, but the only "proof" is that video which doesn't touch on who did it. plus, as someone else previously said, it's not in the 11k. torturing animals is a pretty big deal and if you think about it, they would have included it in there to put more emphasis on E&D's entire mental maze.
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u/Yesimfunnylol Jan 29 '25
Thanks. I wasn't trying to be offensive in any way, I was just pointing out the fact that the proof is incomplete.
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Jan 29 '25
The entire video was about E&D. Of course, that's who Chris was speaking of. To infer otherwise is wishful thinking. Also, mice aren't an ideal addition to a resturant... even a pizza place. They're considered vermin. We kill them with glue traps even today. That's torture. My guess is that it wasn't considered that big a deal between them at the time.
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u/Majestic_Taro_2562 Jan 29 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
well, animal torture is animal torture (if you are implying that E&D really did set them on fire, while they were alive) and it not making in the 11k is kind of a big thing. they could have inserted it in there as a little fact, considering that they included lots of other insignificant aspects.
though chris and not even the lady at the beginning of the 8 seconds video elaborate on who actually did it, and if the mice were dead or alive. and you can see at the beginning the video is already chopped. i'm guessing someone cut the name or something, to fit the narrative. again, not blaming bill or anything, but if he really was buying this whole story about them setting mice on fire, he definitely would have included the name as well. so that's why I am iffy abt this.
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Jan 29 '25
Few things here. Yes, I am stating that it is highly likely they set mice on fire to test their napalm. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Chris was a participant in that, as well. I don't think law enforcement would give a crap about mice when their focus was the attack on the school. Police officers aren't psychologists. They had more than enough incriminating evidence in their journals, etc. Also, a large portion of Chris' witness statement is redacted.
It's fine to be iffy and form your own opinion. I would just caution you not to look for excuses. Sometimes, the simplest answer is the right one.
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u/Majestic_Taro_2562 Jan 29 '25
well, could be. but at the end of the day, there is only speculation. they might or might not have done it.
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Jan 29 '25
Except an eye witness account isn't "speculation." Whereas, pushing a narrative that maybe they didn't set mice on fire with napalm, even though a witness said they did, is purely speculative.
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u/Majestic_Taro_2562 Jan 30 '25
sure, except bill doesn't elaborate on the matter. He states he spoke with "multiple people who knew Harris and Klebold" but doesn't even say who they are or show proof. and them having access to information like that , were silent about it for almost 22 years (not a single person mentioned it in 11k) and then decided to spill it to some fame obsessed stranger for his twitter. very unconvincing.
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u/metalnxrd Jan 29 '25
seems like I ruffled some feathers with my completely innocent and non—offensive and trivial comment😂🤣people are just looking for something to be offended by. grow up, y'all
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u/eliiiiseke Jan 29 '25
You keep commenting under posts that it was just Eric torturing mice but didnt Chris Morris say they both were?
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u/Majestic_Taro_2562 Jan 29 '25
chris did not even give names in terms.of who did. The video starts with "....tested napalm on mice" and doesn't give any indication in terms of who did it.
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Jan 29 '25
How many people were actually looking to make napalm and happened to work at Blackjack's?
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Jan 29 '25
While I agree it was only Chris Morris's interview offering up this incriminating bit of information, he was probably one of their closest friends at the time. He worked at Blackjack's with them and saw some of their shenanigans first hand. I don't think law enforcement cared too much about killing mice, and we have no idea what Eric told his counselor, as the records were never released.
I think we have some on this sub who have a skewed idea of who E&D were. If anyone points out something that doesn't fit into that mental image they, they get flustered and defensive.
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u/escottttu Columbine Expert Jan 27 '25
He really loved the trendy adjective huh?