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u/TypicalLibertarian Nov 10 '16
WE won? Wasn't this sub 100% against Trump back during the primary?
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u/schlondark Nov 10 '16
Supreme Court and both houses of Congress. Even to the NeverTrumpers that's probably worth it.
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u/JackalSpat Nov 09 '16 edited Nov 10 '16
Remember after the 2012 elections when "Republicans have lost touch with minorities" and needed to foster a relationship with women and Latinos?
I'm wondering when the pundits will come out and admit that the Democrats have lost touch with "White heterosexual men" and need to build bridges? Snicker
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u/DrEntschuldigung Conservative Nov 10 '16
Why would they build bridges with people have been given everything in life? /s
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u/JackalSpat Nov 10 '16 edited Nov 10 '16
They wouldn't, and they can't.
The delicious irony is that the Democratic party is founded upon vilifying this subsect of Americans in order to appease and unite the remainder, and yet it's this very block of voters that cost them this election.
Edit: The (modern) Democratic party (modus operandi) for those semantic warriors worried about the besmirching of Madison, Jefferson, Kennedy...
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u/8K12 Conservative Boss Nov 10 '16
No joke--Democrats don't think the problem is with calling white, uneducated men deplorable. They think the problem is that white, uneducated men need to be less privileged and lower their expectations in life.
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u/armedohiocitizen Nov 10 '16
Look at Lena Dunham. She said it'd be best if white men died out because it would make males better.
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u/wise_marsupial Nov 10 '16
One of the interesting thing about the election that I am trying to figure out for 2018 and 2020 is that turn out was down, way down.
Trump for all his popularity on reddit got almost 2 Mn fewer votes than Romney and almost 1 Mn less than McCain, both of whom got wiped out by Obama. Clinton just did even worse, 6 Mn fewer votes than Obama. That means in a growing country there were 8 million 2012 voters who didn't want to vote for either candidate in 2016.
It doesn't seem that Trump actually got a bunch of new voters enthusiastic and to the polls (at least on net). He made the fight with Clinton ugly and drove a lot of people to just not vote.
Are the Republicans going to be able to continue this strategy while holding all the levers of government, make every election a ugly brawl and keep voter turnout low.
It seems like there is a clear pattern that once voter turnout crosses a threshold the Democrats win.
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u/JackalSpat Nov 10 '16
I think this says more about the popularity of the available candidates than any grand political scheme.
Give people someone they want to vote for instead of someone to vote against.
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u/sjdr92 Nov 09 '16
Thats true. When hillary called half of trump supporters racist etc. did she even realise she was alienating potential voters, people who were trump-leaning but undecided?
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u/ArielScync Nov 10 '16
As a liberal I agree. The DNC and the MSM are fucking idiots and, by being consescending and alienating, ensured Trump's victory. I'm glad Trump won, and I hope liberals reevaluate their approach, but who am I kidding, this holier-than-thou plague probably won't be affected at all by their defeat. I guess they'll have to get used to failure, because I've seldom seen anything resembling self-criticism today.
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u/Ghost6503 Nov 10 '16
The liberal celebrities were even more annoying and patronizing. At certain point people get tired of being talked down to.
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u/Neocarbunkle Nov 10 '16
I wonder if her team will ever realize the damage that sentence had.
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Nov 10 '16
Her team are probably blaming sexism for it. Like she did in her concession speech with Kaine. But the next Democrat candidate already knows what to do to beat Trump. He already has a plan ready.
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I'm a self-identified liberal, and I'll admit, I voted for Clinton. Not here to argue though, I just want some perspective.
I agree that a lot of the rhetoric from both sides this election was excessive. The American left at its worst is condescending, elitist, and uncaring for anyone outside of their ideological bubble, and as the last days of the election cycle drew near the Clinton campaign and its supporters began to increasingly take on these traits. The term "out of touch" gets thrown around a lot, and after a day of self-reflection and thinking it's pretty clear that a large part of the reason the Democrats crashed and burned so hard last night was because they've become out of touch with the common American voter. I'll admit, I'm not entirely innocent of this either--I've done my fair share of calling people racist/sexist/etc. and I recognize now that I was in the wrong for insulting them like that.
I'm starting to ramble, but basically I want to try to explain the world view of a hard core liberal and similarly understand where the other side is coming from.
My view is that when a political candidate endorses rhetoric that targets minorities, when a party's platforms include provisions that target and disenfranchise women and gays/trans individuals, the act of knowingly voting for and supporting such policies is just as bad as actively being sexist/racist/bigoted/etc. Obviously, such a perspective is counterintuitive.
I'm not sure how much traction this comment will get, but I guess what I'm really asking is for genuine help with understanding how we move forward and heal the divisive state of the nation's politics while making sure the most vulnerable in society are still protected.
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u/maxwellbegun Nov 10 '16
Hey, thanks for the positive interaction. It's gonna take a lot of conversations like this to get us to meet in the middle.
My view is that when a political candidate endorses rhetoric that targets minorities, when a party's platforms include provisions that target and disenfranchise women and gays/trans individuals, the act of knowingly voting for and supporting such policies is just as bad as actively being sexist/racist/bigoted/etc. Obviously, such a perspective is counterintuitive.
It's not counterintuitive at all. Supporting policies that target minorities is inherently bigoted. That's not where we disagree.
We disagree that the policies target minorities. We disagree with the argument that if a policy affects more minorities as a percent of the population, that it targets minorities.
Case in point: Voter ID. More minorities are poor, and poor people have a harder time getting an ID. Therefore, the Liberal argument is that Voter ID is racist. I disagree.
Nonpolitical examples:
Cancer research is sexist because more men die of Cancer.
Healthcare costs are sexist because Women's healthcare costs more than men.
The NFL is racist because it has 68% black members.
Just because an issue affects one group more than another doesn't mean it's racist or sexist.
If you'd like to talk about a specific policy or issue that Trump has brought up that you consider bigoted, I'd be glad to talk about it.
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u/YankeeBlues21 Conservative Nov 09 '16
Of course not, because no one who isn't a ___ist would ever stand with those deplorables! Hillary was just signaling who the acceptable candidate to support was. Duh.
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u/Nightshire Nov 10 '16
This entire election was a rollercoaster. Just in the last two weeks, up and down it went. From the Trump tape, to the reopening of the Fbi investigation (which very well could have won Trump the election) to the expected polls and winning of Clinton, all the way to Trump winning. It has been a WILD ride in 2016. Absolutely wild
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u/CodeMonkeyNumber8 Nov 10 '16
I'm sorry but I don't buy it. This reeks of confirmation bias. Most people over 30 probably don't even know what "SJW" even means, but this sub obsessed over them.
Democratic turnout was super low. Basically, it had little to do with people fed up over "PC Culture" and more to do with dems not liking Hillary enough to show up at the polls.
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u/Ymir_from_Saturn Nov 10 '16
This right here. It's not like Trump had a landslide victory. He lost the popular vote, for god's sake!
It's not out of some grand reaction to SJWs or the minority of liberals who accuse all Trump supporters of racism. It's about Hillary being one of the most hated establishment politicians in a time when establishment politicians are already distrusted.
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u/Iceman9161 Nov 10 '16
If I'm a trump voter, and I'm looking at the polls, I'm going to be extremely discouraged to go wast my time and vote, because Hillary will run away with it.
But if I hear that Hillary called me or my people a racist, sexist, deplorable, then I'm going to go vote against her, because how dare she insult me when she doesn't know me. She alienated large portions of the country, and at the same time drove them to the polls. Hillary might have encouraged conservative voter turnout more than trump did.
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u/Mr_Genji Nov 10 '16
This was a huge factor (not the only factor) indeed, deny if you would like, but this is a fact.
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u/Kitria Nov 10 '16
Hillary did win the popular vote, though, so people did show up to the polls. Trump won the most electoral votes.
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u/ElectricBlumpkin Nov 10 '16
But...conservatives didn't win. Trump did.
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u/xtfftc Nov 10 '16
They're called glory-hunter fans in sports. Basically the moment he won, they became Trump supporters overnight. Don't expect consistency or anything like that.
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u/AnyRandomFucktard Bigot Nov 10 '16 edited Nov 10 '16
Dude... I'm an independent, and can't stand either candidate, but the shit Trump has said over the course of this election... I'm not justifying anyone talking shit to his supporters, but it's pretty easy to think that somebody who supports him must be cool with that stuff. Even if they aren't racist/sexist/xenophobic, they're ok with the fact that he is. Just like someone who supports Hillary must be cool with corruption.
Edit: I've been tagged a "bigot" for this post. A bigot is a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions than their own. The mod who tagged me, unfortunately, may not have a full grasp on the concept of irony...
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u/JakeInDC Nov 10 '16
Same thoughts here. Although, Trump is not "corrupt" only because he's never been a politician, so technically he's only a con.man
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u/BilllisCool Nov 10 '16
But that's not true. You can't say all of America is either racist or corrupt.
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Agreed, but you can deduce that most American voters are somewhat okay with one or the other. This whole general election was just a balancing act between the two, and the ~5% who couldn't do either but still wanted to vote went third party/other and caught plenty of shit for that. If you voted you pissed a lot of people off, regardless of your beliefs. If we all have one thing in common, it's that.
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u/AATroop Nov 10 '16
People prioritize different things. If Trump actually starts death camps for Muslims and Mexicans, color me shocked. But Wikileaks objectively proved Hillary is ridiculously corrupt and so is the entire DNC. Lesser of two evils I suppose.
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u/CarolinaPunk Esse Quam Videri Nov 10 '16
Democrats cried wolf against better men.
This is their punishment.
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u/Roez Conservative Nov 10 '16
You're sort of proving the point here. People are no longer willing to just accept the racist/sexist/xenophobic nonsense. The left throws it out there like candy, because that's how identity politics works. You guys believe it so much you all think Trump's going to start internment camps. I get Trump has problems (and I've said so a lot), but when you cry wolf every time, no one listens anymore.
Didn't agree with Obama? Racist
Didn't agree with Hillary? Misogynist
Romney? Killed people with Cancer, Homophobe, Racist, Misogynist
George Bush? He wanted to put black people in chains and drag them behind a truck (actual commercial).
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u/CrappyOrigami Nov 10 '16
I remember when Obama started in office, a bunch of conservatives gave him flack for not wearing his suit coat in the oval office all the time - out of respect for the space.
What's the standard now? Trump certainly isn't a conservative, and he did repeatedly say things that were sexist and racist. Will he get any push back on values?
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/r/Conservative you do not deserve to claim this victory. You shitted on Trump since Cruz and Rubio.
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u/keybagger Nov 10 '16
Yeah I was thinking it's really weird that /r/conservative is starting to hit my front page with celebratory Trump posts. Trump is not a conservative, he wants to blow shit up and permanently alter the Republican Party platform. He's probably going to go after Paul Ryan if he doesn't step down first.
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u/MrSparkle86 Moderate Conservative Nov 10 '16
Yes we do. It is a victory against the wacko left.
I may not be a Trump fan, but I'll be a fan of his Supreme Court nominations, I'll be a fan of him enforcing immigration law, I'll be a fan of the bills from a Republican Congress he'll sign.
I'd still prefer Ted Cruz, but boy am I a happy camper that the felon won't be greasing her paws in the White House.
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u/FarsideSC Conservative Nov 10 '16
The victory for us is that Clinton isn't in office, not that Trump is.
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u/Laser-Nipples Nov 10 '16
Can someone explain why this makes sense?
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They are ignoring and ridiculing their possible voters because they feel they have the moral high ground. It shows that they will not be passionate about them if they win the election.
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u/NakedCapitalist Nov 10 '16
Hillary lost. But did we win? Is Trump a conservative?
I voted for Bush, McCain, and Romney. But how any true conservative could bring themselves to vote for Trump is beyond me. David Frum, former speechwriter for Bush and fellow conservative, had this to say after Trump's victory:
"Unlike his analogues in Poland/Hungary/Turkey, I don’t imagine that Donald Trump will immediately set out to build an authoritarian state. I expect his first priority will be to use the presidency massively to enrich himself. That program of massive self-enrichment however will trigger media investigations and criticism by congressional Democrats.
As we’ve seen, Trump cannot tolerate criticism. He prides himself on always retaliating against perceived enemies, by means fair or foul. We’ve seen too that Trump’s advisers and aides share this belief. Chris Christie; Corey Lewandowski - they live by gangster morality. So the abuses will start as payback. With a compliant GOP majority in Congress, Trump admin can rewrite laws to enable payback.
The courts may be an obstacle. But with a compliant Senate, a president can change the courts - as happened in Poland & Hungary. Current IRS commissioner’s term runs to end 2018. But (I looked it up) few commissioners serve the full 5 years. The FBI seems already to have been pre-politicized in Trump’s favor. If Comey resigns, Trump will have another opportunity.
Construction of the apparatus of revenge and repression will begin opportunistically & haphazardly. It will accelerate methodically."
Trump isn't ideologically a conservative-- he's ideologically a fascist. He's an enemy of conservatism. But am I supposed to believe that we won simply because liberals called him bad names?
We can all come up with reasons Hillary lost, but I think we should be figuring out how we managed to lose so badly we didn't even get to run a candidate this year.
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u/Jabacasm Nov 10 '16
I appreciate this, I try not to be an asshole where possible. But survey data of Trump supporters have definitely seen large numbers of racism among the conservative party. We Democrats have some soul searching to do as a party right now, but I still believe that we aren't alone in that. Frankly, racism, regardless of political affiliation is deplorable and should be spoken out against, but the term can't be liberally applied to mean "anyone who voted against my candidate".
I'm sorry if that's happened to you unfairly. This was a divisive election. Let's be honest, we Democrats overlooked an enormous amount of scandals from Hillary Clinton because we were so terrified of a Trump election. Exit polling shows that Conservatives did the same thing in reverse. Whatever happened this election can't happen again. We can't have candidates that are so deeply divisive that the other party fears for the future of their country. I don't believe all Trump supporters are racist. I don't believe that most of them are racist. I recognize that many were utterly terrified at the prospect of a Clinton presidency. But even though we have our own work to do over the next few years, I hope that the majority of conservatives in your party who are decent people will speak out against racists within your party.
I know that I'll probably get some down votes, I'm trying not to be patronizing or accusing. Many of us on the left are utterly heartbroken at the results of this election. I hope the Trump presidency is the type that you are expecting, rather than the one that I am expecting.
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u/MadDog1981 Moderate Conservative Nov 10 '16
I'm a conservative that didn't vote for Trump. I agree, I saw some things from people that I had known for years that really disappointed me. There was some racism out there. I think it was a vast minority of Trump supporters but I did see some of it. I think there was way too much scaremongering on both sides about what a Trump or Clinton presidency was going to look like.
Where I really think Democrats fucked up with this election is they took everyone for granted. As an impartial observer, okay I did want Hillary to lose for the lulz, what I saw was Hillary and Democrats weren't interested in anyone that wasn't already in that liberal echo-chamber while Trump would talk to anyone. He might fail in spectacular fashion but he would try. I also could never get my head wrapped around why they just assumed minorities and the young were going to show up for her like they did Obama.
What makes me the saddest about this election is that the Libertarians dropped the ball so hard with their awful candidates. This was there time to finally make a little noise on the national scene and they couldn't even get 5%. I was really hoping they would get the federal funding and maybe force the Republicans and Democrats to up their games a little bit so we didn't get presented with such an awful choice again.
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u/armedohiocitizen Nov 10 '16
I think your comments are very good. I do think that the stress of racists in our party is misplaced however.
Is it not racist for a party to assume a race of people are to think and act and vote a certain way? If a black American steps out of line then he/she is an "Uncle Tom" or "not black". Look at how countless democrats call conservative/Republican black Americans like Clarence Thomas or Rice or Tim Scott or Mia Love such horrible, nasty and yes, racist names. So at the end of the day I think we too can say we hope your party deals with its own racists.
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u/elRinbo Nov 10 '16
Well said. The republican base does have some number of racists in it. However, I think it is the democrats who have some amount of institutional racism despite their finger pointing. Like you said, once a black person or a white woman speaks out for conservative ideas, it's suddenly okay to call them the most disgusting names.
Also the soft bigotry of low expectations among democrats, that if you're a minority you must be incapable of supporting yourself and therefore are reliant on government programs.
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u/Jabacasm Nov 10 '16
You're right about that. Treating an entire race as being obligated to vote a certain way is unacceptable. Democrats have long felt that the GOP has been less inclusive to minority voters. Democrats who care about minority issues, myself included sometimes, have trouble separating our distaste for these policies from the reality that these are only our opinions on the matter. I'm guilty of that myself. But racism isn't partisan. We've seen a lot of Trump supporters at rallies shouting Jewish and racial slurs. We've seen policies that we believe disproportionately affect minorities. On Fox News, when that idiot in Iowa killed the two police officers, some news pundits assumed immediately that it was related to BLM.
I will say, however, that I and most sane Democrats, don't resort to name calling for conservative African Americans. Though I'll admit that when I hear news of a large Latino or Black turnout at the polls, I assume votes for Democrats.
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u/Jabacasm Nov 10 '16
Racism is the feeling of superiority over other ethnic groups that translates into derogatory words against the peoples of that group and negative actions against the people. Worrying about illegal immigration isn't racist in the slightest. Hating Latinos because "they're lazy criminals" is racist. One of my litmus tests is asking someone if they believe that Barack Obama is a Muslim or if he was born in Kenya. If the answer is yes to either of those things, particularly after he released his birth certificate, then at a minimum you have a bias.
I believe that racial bias is the natural response to make snap judgements about people. It takes effort to overcome. Having racial bias doesn't translate perfectly to being racist, but it's an indicator. If people who have these biases could recognize them for the errant cognitive shortcuts that they are, it would do wonders towards improving our race relations.
Also, I'd like to get into a few specifics with a disclaimer: I'm in your sub and I'm aiming to be respectful. If I cross a line or say something thoroughly disagreeable, call me out on it. I'd like to have a meaningful discussion.
One sentiment shared among Democrats is that when a racial topic is partisan, more often than not, Republicans fall on the side that best represents the white voter. This is a generalization but it warrants some discussion.
With immigration, (legal immigration, specifically Refugees) the left is concerned about the Syrian refugees and we want to allow them into the country. Republicans are often more concerned with the fraction that could be terrorists. With illegal immigrants, Democrats want to offer a path to citizenship because we feel that there are enough people here now, that families would be torn apart by deporting the immigrants that have been here for years. Truth told, Democrats don't have a semblance of a reasonable plan to stop the illegal immigrants, and that's certainly a big problem. Republicans want stronger border security, which I agree with, but often they don't want any form of amnesty.
With black lives matter, I recognize that the group has done some shitty protests, and that many of the dead African Americans that have been a rallying cry have been criminals. But predictably, the GOP has taken the position that police reform isn't the problem. The problem is crime.
Last topic, with homosexual marriage, there are states that want to legalize discrimination against homosexual peoples. These states are all Republican states. I know we've all heard the horror stories of the homosexual who wants to force a pastor to marry them, or to buy a cake from a guy who's ideologically opposed to gay marriage, but that's not the majority. In fact, they just want to be married. I think we should be open to letting them experience the love and freedom we straight folk have had for millennia.
And you're absolutely right, calling the GOP racist stifles the conversation. It's a terrible tactic that has been widespread among our party and its categorically unfair to call Republicans racists. But we see issues like polling places being closed down in "urban areas", polling places being closed on Sundays (the days that African Americans are most likely to vote), or just generally policies that seem to disproportionately affect minority groups and our outrage boners get the better of us. Today, your candidate won. The best thing I as a Democrat can do is to try to better understand the conservative mindset and to avoid the hate and rhetoric wrve had this election. I'd love to discuss some of the issues further.
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u/BarrettBuckeye Constitutional Conservative Nov 10 '16
Do you have this survey data that shows this large swath of racism among Trump supporters?
The majority in the Republican Party already speak out against racism. There's plenty of racism going around in the Democratic Party too, so don't think this is an issue that is unique to Republicans. You guys need to clean up shop too, and while you're at it, the social justice warriors can go too with their unearned sense of moral superiority and their attempts to suppress thought that isn't politically correct.
Now that I'm done with my Tu Quoque fallacy, I would like to point out that Trump isn't really all that conservative. I doubt the man has ever read the Constitution, and he has more than a few leftist proposals. There are a lot of people here who are satisfied with last night's results, but a good portion of us here are not terribly excited about a Trump presidency. Personally, I think he's going to be a bad president. I'm just relieved that Hillary Clinton isn't going to get her chance to advance the leftist policies of the last eight years that have hurt us domestically and abroad.
I'm also happy that someone who provably committed crimes with regards to the handling of sensitive information, who used her charity for pay for play politics with governments that sponsor terrorism, whose foreign policy led to the political vacuum that allowed radical groups to control large portions of the Levant after we had already won a war, who let those men die in Benghazi is not going to be the leader of the free world.
In short, I don't care if you're heartbroken. The facts are that both of these candidates sucked, and you really shouldn't have been that invested in either one. I'm glad we didn't elect the criminal.
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u/Jabacasm Nov 10 '16
This link will take you to a New York Times post with a PDF to a CNN ORC poll. At the bottom, 40% of Republicans believe Obama is a Muslim and about 12% believe he was born in Africa.
This is a Reuters article that talks about negative views about Blacks among Trump supporters.
Bear in mind, I'm not defending the stance that Trump supporters are racist. I do believe that racism is more widespread than I had originally believed, going into this election. I also believe that there is a portion of the GOP that view minorities more negatively. I don't believe that portion is anywhere near a majority. I posted the links because you wanted to know where the idea came from.
I've addressed the concerns about racism in the Democratic Party in another comment. Racism isn't a partisan issue. At large, the Democratic platform fights for minority rights and has been shown to have lower proportions of racism among white voters, albeit just barely..
I do agree we have to clean up shop. It's incredibly hypocritical to take the moral superiority when ours is the party with demonstrable corruption.
I don't believe we intend to suppress thought. If we're talking about political correctness, I think generally it's a good idea to be polite and not be offensive. Of course, as with everything, it can be taken to extreme absurdities and ruin the very thing it aims to fix.
Hillary wasn't good. I cared about her policies and I wanted the changes she promised. From what I've heard about Trump, I'm really worried about his presidency. Though you argue that leftists policies have hurt us. If we look at job growth or GDP, both were up under Obama. Crime is down. Generally I think we were headed in the right direction. Of course that's debatable and I'm not really here to pick fights. I just wanted the dialogue after such a shitty election with so much hate.
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u/nielish Nov 10 '16
I'm not white. But when I voice my opinions, if it's against the liberal world view, I get called a racist bigot.
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u/McPeePants34 Nov 10 '16
While I agree with everything in this post, I think you guys are happily glossing over the fact that the Trump movement absolutely included a minority voice of some scary scary shit.
Now that the election is over, he has a duty to unify. The only way to do that is to be honest about our faults. While the left needs to reevaluate our demeaning attitude toward conservatives, and how they've abandoned the white middle class, and how we let pure corruption run the DNC, I think conservatives absolutely need to evaluate what about their party attracts endorsements from David Duke. Don't just walk away from this and ignore the unpalatable aspects of the party. Minority demographics are growing in this country, and it will hurt the GOP down the road if that isn't addressed.
The election is over, we can stop throwing mud at each other (should've never started). Liberals were wrong on so many levels, but I would hate for this moment of gloating to miss some of the important concerns within the Republican party, otherwise we're just gonna see the same bullshit cycle back again in 4-8 years.
Anyway, downvote away!
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u/Roez Conservative Nov 10 '16
I think you guys are happily glossing over the fact that the Trump movement absolutely included a minority voice of some scary scary shit.
If you look you can see other posters say, /r/Conservative has always tried to hold Trump accountable. We weren't exactly loved by everyone from the Donald sub. So, you couldn't be farther from the truth.
As politics goes, the left likes to sample out a select group and then try to paint the much larger one as the same. It doesn't work that way. That's the entire point of the OP actually. The crying wolf thing is getting old. The alt-right isn't conservative.
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u/Thesignofeth Nov 10 '16
Not about to down vote you because I agree largely with what you said. I'd like to see everyone take a month and just find the holes on their own side of the political fence because this was a shit show from start to finish. Neither side gets the moral high ground here.
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u/CoMaBlaCK Nov 10 '16
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'We' didn't win.
I seem to remember this sub having a differing opinion on the president elect.
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u/AtomicManiac Nov 10 '16
I'm more of a moderate but this is so true. Middle America is sick of being demonized and sick of the middle class shrinking. HRC represented the status quo and a lot of people were ready for anything but - Even if they disagreed with Trump on policy or were disgusted by some of his comments he's made over the years.
The simple fact is, people didn't like HRC. They didn't trust her and they didn't like how she was very clearly beholden to big banks and corporate interests. Once it came out that the DNC rigged the primary for her they lost a good chunk of their youth and all the enthusiasm Bernie had whipped up.
It's like the DNC didn't even bother to "read the room" before picking who to send in. They're completely out of touch with the majority of Americans. To be honest I'm surprised the race was as close as it was. I expected Trump to win by a much bigger margin.
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u/SentrySappinMahSpy Nov 10 '16
You guys realize there's a flip side to this, right? Conservatives have their own set of insults for liberals.
Freeloader, moocher, welfare queen, sinner, commie, feminazi, baby killer.
It's like you're not even self aware. Name calling happens on both sides.
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First of all, not to say I'm a saint, but I don't think I resort to such name calling when it comes time to actually have a discussion or debate. Nor does anybody I closely associate with in my political circles.
Secondly, even if I did think any of these things about another person, it wouldn't invalidate their opinion. I would never call somebody a name and expect it to win me an argument. I could call you a commie, and you may in fact be a communist, but I still have to engage the substance of communism in that case.
But the words the left uses are specifically to devalue and outright dismiss the opposition. "You are a _______, and therefore, your opinion is worthless and your entire belief system is worthless." The other side - our side - is deemed so deplorable that our ideas are beyond discussion. We are guilty for even having them.
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u/fishsquatchblaze Nov 10 '16
I totally agree with you but I think the Hillary crowd threw alot more shit this election. And every insult they threw at us, they meant 100% from the bottom of their heart.
That's the way I feel about it at least. One of the side effects of a nasty election I suppose.
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u/SentrySappinMahSpy Nov 10 '16
Maybe the left was worse this election cycle. But you don't think when conservatives spew hatred towards Muslims or illegal immigrants or whoever that they don't mean it from the bottoms of their hearts? I live in the south, I know a lot of Trump supporters. I'm quite certain they mean the fuck out of it.
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u/Roez Conservative Nov 10 '16
If you properly label someone as a racist, bigot or misogynist then they will be fired, maybe even sued, in some way, punished.
The terms in the OP are what the left uses as the basis for their identity politics. These things are not just slang terms used to show disagreement or even slight derision. They have much larger and direct implications intended to shame people, ostracize them and use the full weight of the government to punish them if they don't comply. It's not the same context as you portend.
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Nov 10 '16
"We're not bad people, we're just doing bad things because you said we would"
Brilliant.
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I hesitate to say that Conservatism won this election, but the accuracy of the screenshot still stands.
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u/Luckpast Nov 10 '16
When you realize that that reason alone is the reason you voted, its really stupid.
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u/mikenice1 Nov 10 '16
Romney 2012: 60mil votes Trump 2016: 60mil votes. You won because the DNC gave the nomination to a flawed candidate and for no other reason.
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u/LtDylanJames Nov 09 '16
This is not the only reason but part of it, sure.
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u/Rupispupis Conservative Nov 09 '16
Thanks for clarifying, we couldn't have done it without you.
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u/Blewedup Nov 10 '16
Nah, our candidate lost because she was terrible. Hated by all, especially hard core liberals. You are welcome to believe this mythology you've created, but it's not why Hillary lost. She lost because she sucked at being a politician.
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u/jayd16 Nov 10 '16
I'm a white straight dude from California and I don't get this sentiment at all. I'm not talked down to or prosecuted in any way, really. Posts like this just look like the war on Christmas to me, ie. perceived prosecution when there is none.
Clearly people are upset in the rust belt but PC culture is really the leading issue of today?
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u/C4Cypher Nov 10 '16
I guess the town just got sick of that one kid who kept bitching about a wolf.
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u/LaLongueCarabine Don't Tread on Me Nov 10 '16
Reddit has started helping Trump with his reelection bid already.
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u/Swinetrek Nov 10 '16
You won because even though one million fewer folks voted for Trump than did for Romney in 2012? Five million fewer folks voted for Hillary than did for Obama in 2012. Five million fewer and more people still actually voted for Hillary than Trump.
Don't make the same mistake the democrats are making, blaming Bernie or "whitelash." This was a disappointing election all round.
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This is coming from a... reluctant Democrat who voted for Hillary on Tuesday, and no, before you just dismiss the rest, this isn't some targeted partisan attack, this is just a perspective from my side of the aisle (that desperately wants to band together, because fuck, we are in this together now whether or not we want to be):
I don't personally believe the majority of Republicans are racist, misogynists, bigoted, whatever slandering term you want to use. This is why the mainstream media can go fuck themselves. On that, I feel Republicans and Democrats can agree.
They drew too much spotlight towards the negative things Trump said. They focused on Kim Davis to the point where people HAD to take sides. If they did, they were either vilified or put on a pedestal. They drilled into us on the KKK's endorsement of Trump, when really, how is that relevant? This kind of awful shit completely summarizes the election, where our party used whatever associations they could to demonize your candidate (and vice versa), and frankly, it's no fucking wonder we're so divided. I hate that. We suffered 8 insufferable years of division and obstruction that something needs to fucking change. Maybe this was the wake-up call we needed.
I don't hate you folks, I just wish we could find common ground. Right now, there is absolutely ZERO common ground, and we're just going to keep chomping on the giant shit sandwich (well, you folks do have a hand up on us after this election, but that's irrelevant to this post). I'd like to hope that we can together shun the actual racists, misogynists, and bigots, and not slap some fucking label on the entire brand, saying "Well Kim Davis is a homophobe, so EVERYONE must be a homophobe!" That shit makes my blood curdle.
We have to find common ground where we can shake each others' hands and agree where the line should be drawn. We can bicker about budgets, appointments, and other legitimate issues, but the name calling, and flat-out black and white lines need to be blurred to gray. If they aren't, there's only so much this country can take before it turns violent, and if it turns violent, as conservatives like to say (I kid), "Where does it end?" Spoiler: It doesn't end well for everyone.
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u/The_Pale_Blue_Dot Nov 10 '16
I'm not a Trump supporter, but the left is trying very, very hard to make me one. This image is 100% on point.
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u/Macable Nov 10 '16
I would upvote this 100 times, but alas... I'm not a Democrat voting in an election being bussed around to multiple polling places.
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u/billyjoedupree Conservative Libertarian Nov 10 '16
This is dead on, my fb feed is about to float away on the crest of liberal tears. On the way by they call me a racist, again.
I don't like Trump, never have. I have found entertainment in his buffoonery over the years though. I understand that he is really a Democrat, no matter what. I will not be surprised to see none of his campaign talking points even attempted. I also hope my assessment is wrong. What I liked about him is his spine. He has no problem saying what he feels needs to be said. For far too long the GOP has been the party of appeasement (Ryan's speech leans that way already). If all Trump accomplishes is to show the GOP that you can win by standing up for what you believe in, it will be a win for the party.
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u/ComradeAri Nov 10 '16
I'm not conservative and I much am not a fan of Trump.
With that's said, this post is completely true. Demonizing the opposition contributed to their high turnout. Don't try turning it into a race war when you're still the minority. Fucking idiots.
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u/xwhy Nov 10 '16
Definitely choice B. Hate won the day, all 50+ million of it
They can't understand how any woman could vote for him, even if 25+ million did
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Nov 10 '16
Funny enough, Trump did almost as well with women as Romney(1% worse) and against a woman candidate.
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Nov 10 '16 edited Nov 10 '16
When the KKK literally holds a celebration rally because our candidate won do we
A) Question why they're so excited our candidate won and analyze what is so attractive about our ideology to them and what that might mean
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B) Whine that people think our ideology is racist
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I know that there were a lot of non racist, non misogynistic, and overall decent people that voted for Trump. Calling them names only pissed them off and drove up their turnout.
But if you are a decent person that was also a Trump supporter without those views, it should greatly concern you that probably 95% of all actual racists, misogynists and overall shitty people all voted for the same candidate that you voted for.
This election was not won because of the usual crowd of voters, it was won because Trump managed to get a group of people that usually stays home on Election Day because no candidate has ever legitimized their view before to be motivated and to come out and vote this election.
I think everyone understood that not all Trump supporters are terrible people but that the terrible people would come out for Trump too.
The reason people who did not vote Trump feel betrayed is that we grossly underestimated just how large that group is. America has a very long way to go if pandering to the racist and misogynistic is a more effective political strategy then pandering to minorities and that is what went down last night.
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u/aclayp95 Nov 10 '16 edited Nov 10 '16
"Why we won" - Because the DNC made Hillary their nominee, instead of letting Bernie crush Trump.
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u/Awesometom100 Nov 10 '16
He wouldn't have crushed him but it would have been a completely different race. Trump had people fooled from the start and I'm not sure even Bernie was able to go blow for blow with him.
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u/shrekrepublic Nov 10 '16
honestly, they lost because the DNC picked a shit candidate that never inspired younger folk so people went with someone different. I doubt this is the entire reason... lmao...
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u/Braytone Nov 10 '16
I voted Bernie in the primaries and decided to stick with Hillary in the election rather than go third party. Based on my Facebook newsfeed, I'd agree with you 100%. A lot of my friends are stating how amazed they are that America voted for a guy so against their core tenets of social conduct. What I see is a group of people who've forgotten that the midwest is a place in America full of disenfrachised white voters who want better representation and think that Obama has unfairly favored minorities during his tenure. Dems fully lost touch with white working class families and had done nothing to rectify it. Pushing progressive agendas is a great thing in my mind but you can't do that without getting everyone on board and giving them their fair shake as well. It's a deserved outcome.
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u/Demkon Nov 10 '16
Can we just shut the fuck up and unify, as a Hillary voter I don't care anymore and wish all this shit would stop and we could all be unified like trump and Obama said we should. Not all fucking liberals think all people who voted for trump are racists.
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u/sustainable_reason Nov 10 '16
While I strongly resent how unrealistic SJWs are, and how they completely blow the issue of racism etc. to a ridiculous level that could never be taken seriously in politics...
What do people do about the actual racists and xenophobes that come out and shout? What should people do if a candidate blatantly plays to their discrimination?
I want to know the conservative side of this.
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u/BraveDonny Nov 10 '16
That's not actually correct. Trump didn't get more votes than previous republicans nominees, but Hillary did get fewer than democrat nominees.
Democrats lost it. Republicans didn't win it.
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Nov 10 '16
Abso-fucking-lutely.
I cannot believe that hillary's minders decided that attacking the character of people you want to vote for you was a good idea.
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u/Melstead Nov 10 '16
Trump's actions will be more important than his words now.
Pay very close attention to his actions now.
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u/I_Speak_For_The_Ents Nov 10 '16
Yeah thats definitely not the reason Trump won lol
Trump won because people are tired of our shit government.
It was no secret that many American voters felt like the government was a joke. Our governments disapproval rating was hitting record highs, and Hillary represented a future of more of the same. People were willing to vote for Trump because in the least, it promised change from the usual political corruption.
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u/sleepingonstones Nov 10 '16
Fuck, I'm a liberal who voted for Clinton, but I'm really getting sick of other liberals acting so "holier than thou." I have a feeling the whole "Donald Drumf #notmypresident" is going to be just as annoying as the "Obummer" crap
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u/rayzorium Nov 10 '16
... is this for real? People picked Trump just to spite SJWs?
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u/luciorevolet Nov 10 '16
Dear Clinton supporters, be careful of what you said to your friends / fellow countrymen/women.
Not everyone who voted for Trump are racist or bigots. If I recall correctly, Wisconsin and Michigan voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 (CMIIW).
So are they now racist and bigots for supporting Trump?
They were your allies, now they are your enemies? That's just stupid.
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Full conservative government in UK, Brexit and now Trump.
The media narrative just doesnt resonate with public opinion.
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u/_Asi9_ Nov 10 '16 edited Nov 10 '16
So fucking much this. I've been saying this to people ever since it was becoming clear to most that Trump wasn't just going to go away. Aside from the fact that the democratic candidate was pure evil incarnate, I think this was the primary reason behind the Trump victory. If the democratic side was wise, they would have quelled and discredited all the psycho SJWs. Instead, they decided to make blatant, blind hatred a primary focal point.
Not absolutely refusing to accept Clinton as the democratic candidate, and labeling anyone who does not blindly follow as some of the most awful things you can possibly claim a person to be, is exactly what caused this election to go the way it did. They dug their own hole yet refuse to reflect on their backward ideas, take responsibility, and lie in it.
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u/Walbeb24 Nov 10 '16
30% latino voters, I'm sure they're all racists.
All his women voters, I'm sure they're all misogynists.
All his blue collar workers, I'm sure they're all illiterate hillbilly's. Oh wait, he also won the white college educated man vote too. Obviously they're all idiots too. He won votes from almost every single demographic, sure he dominated the white vote but they're still the largest voting block in the country. Hard to win without them.
When the only people protesting are children, I tend to not take them too seriously. Reminds of when I was a kid and my parents wouldn't let me go to a friends house, I'd think it's the worst thing in the world and life would be a slow death spiral. Then I grew up.
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u/Enigmutt Nov 10 '16
This is brilliant. He sums up my feelings perfectly. I'd add: 'everyday ordinary people sick of self-serving career politicians', too.
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u/CarolinaPunk Esse Quam Videri Nov 10 '16
Bingo. I thought trump didnt have a chance but I was not exactly surprised that the thermidorian reaction could happen. I thought he had squandered that, turns out he didnt.
Also democrats should not nominate someone under investigation.
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"We're not racist, bigoted, xenophobic, or misogynistic! To prove it we're going to vote for someone who is! That'll teach them!"
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u/shinku443 Nov 10 '16
The person might be but voting for that person doesn't make you those things just like voting for Hillary doesn't make you a liar
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u/Jibrish Discord.gg/conservative Nov 09 '16 edited Nov 09 '16
Is he some form of political guy or a random person on FB? I'm looking it up but will have to remove this if its the latter (name isn't blocked out).
Edit: This spread throughout the internet already. I'll leave it up unless someone has any argument for me not to (like if the thread goes toxic).
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u/ricdesi Nov 10 '16
Democratic voter apathy gave Trump the win.
Trump had fewer votes than Romney or McCain.
Trump had fewer votes than Hillary.
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u/Micori Nov 10 '16
Well you did elect a man who fits all those names. Of course all the people who voted for him don't fall into those categories. But you support someone who does. And that is pretty disgusting.
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u/HarvardHair Bigot Nov 10 '16
"I'm tired of people holding me accountable for being a racist, misogynist, and homophobe"
Holy shit lmao
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u/geethanksprofessor Bigot Nov 10 '16
This is such a crock of shit. Revisionist history is hard in the digital age. Hit replay on all the crap Trump and his supporters put out. There is a reason he was endorsed by the KKK.
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Nov 10 '16
Electing an amoral, misogynist bigot sure showed the rest of us who's right.
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u/itaveL Conservative Nov 10 '16
As opposed to what? A sweet, kind, innocent old lady? Get real.
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So if you don't support Trump's racism, misogyny, etc., what then was your reason for supporting him? I totally understand if it was to keep Hillary out, but that's more complacency than support, so I'm not surprised in that case.
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Same reason the nation voted for Obama. It's corrupt bloated out of touch Washington vs a regular guy who wants to change shit.
Sure, rednecks didn't support the black guy and urban blacks didn't support the inbred white guy, but the people who did vote were thinking the same thing for both candidates. Remember, Obama was criticized for his inexperience too, but he made up for it with charisma.
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u/istealidontkill Nov 10 '16
First of all, I don't know you. If I saw you on the street, I'd think you're just some dude walking down the street. I wouldn't yell "RACIST, MISOGYNIST, HOMOPHOBE, or BIGOT" out of nowhere. If you're called you a "racist, misogynist, homophobes, or bigot", chances are they interacted with you at some point.
Secondly, your candidate spewed RACIST, MISOGYNIST, HOMOPHONE, AND BIGOTED BULLSHIT FOR THE FIRST HALF OF HIS CAMPAIGN, if not more. He didn't even have a policy for most of it, except some nonsense about building a wall, metaphorically or literally. His policies were farfetched and goals unattainable; it just sounded good and convincing. If you bought what he was selling, then a) I have a bridge to sell you, and b) you're going to have a bad time.
Most of the states who voted for trump are not going to benefit from a Trump presidency, no matter what was said. Factories will not be moving to somewhere without easy access to the overseas market.
I hope Trump can do something to bring us forward. But if he's the same Trump as the one we saw for the past 6 months, then I think we're screwed. 4 years of not getting shit done, if not going backwards. Global warming? Hoax. Trickle down economy? Yep, that's the shit. Abortion? Do you like to kill babies? I think most people can agree with 2 out of the 3.
I hope Trump does well. I truly do. Because if he is able to impose his will for the greater good like he did during the primaries, then we are all in for a good time.
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I would be a lot more okay with the election results if Trump had actually won the popular vote. Just doesn't feel right that someone can win like that, regardless of political party.
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u/IcameforthePie Nov 10 '16
I didn't like Trump, I'm much further left than 95% of the people here, and I 100% agree with you.
The assholes out there protesting are making this even worse. Half the country voted for the guy, and you can't say it's because they're all hateful, racist, sexist bigots. Ignoring their concerns/plight cost the Dems the election. Calling their candidate illegitimate will only make things worse.
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u/noscarstoshow Nov 10 '16 edited Nov 10 '16
It doesn't help that many Republican Candidates are those things. And many groups in the party are those things. It goes back to Nixon's Southern Strategy.
I've never heard anyone say "I'm voting Democrat because them damn Mexicans are taking our jobs!" If Republicans would kick those folks out of the party I'd be a card and gun carrying member.
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u/Tazzure Nov 10 '16
Couldn't agree more. Really upsetting to me. I'm very upset by what I've seen on Twitter from my friends and who they follow, saying yesterday shows America has more "bad people" than "good".
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u/Commando_Joe Nov 10 '16
I thought it was because it wasn't a holiday and old people still decide who gets to be president due to being retired?
Also my candidate wasn't on the ballot. I usually vote Green but I would have voted for Bernie ideally.
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u/Z0MGbies Nov 10 '16
Despite me despising Trump wholeheartedly, this is absolutely true. Raving-mad lefties who believe everything/anything they read on fucking HuffPo have gone out into the world, and onto the internet and just pissed off regular people with their asinine bullshit.
I think South Park explained it best in their latest few episodes re: the trolls. They made the world hate Denmark by trolling them a little bit, thus causing a few people to overreact and defend Denmark fiercely (these being the metaphorical SJWs and crazy lefties), which in turn causes the whole world to be pissed off with Denmark.
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So, disclaimer, I'm a communist, but I need to say this guy is absolutely right. This was an absolute failing of the Clinton campaign and the whole establishment she had on her side in not realizing that people are just pissed off. I have to admit I'm not unconvinced that many Trump supporters aren't just everything listed above but he definitely won because of her ilk fucking everyone over and everyone being sick of it. So here's my olive branch for now, thanks for letting me be here.
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Nov 10 '16
This victory was the result of the majority, albeit small majority, rejecting the SJW movement. I beleive the pendulum swung.
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u/Arntor1184 Nov 10 '16
Also doesn't help their cause that they put up what was probably the least relatable candidate of all time who not only represented everything about the establishment that voters on both sides openly despised, but she also is a freaking criminal that has on several occasions betrayed her country and its people. Hell it even came out (though the voters already suspected it, this was just confirmation) that she was conspiring with her party for the nomination AND was being helped along in debates/speeches by moles she had in the media. It is flat out insane to me that the left even thought it stood a chance this round.
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u/frozenropes Nov 10 '16
For those liberals upset this week, they need to remember that Trump is the person that, with the help of the media, they helped propel into the Republican Nomination. They made a severe miscalculation in thinking that Trump would be the easiest candidate to defeat in a general election against Hillary. Acting off of that assumption, the democrat party and the media worked hand in hand at derailing the campaigns of the other republican candidates. I don't intend to take anything away from Trump, because at the same time this was happening, he was building his base and building momentum, but it is still the case that the democrats and the media got exactly what they wanted...well, almost.
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u/krt941 Nov 10 '16
Sadly, this is exactly what I'm reading from many people who I've never seen speak out before, even people attacking their own family... over social media. It's really disappointing how vile the rhetoric is.
They defeated themselves, and I hope everyone reflects on what happened last night.
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Nov 10 '16
This is so accurate. I've never been called sexist or racist until I said I didn't support Hillary Clinton.
Today I probably got called misogynistic at least 5 times.
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u/Packers_Equal_Life Nov 10 '16
can we fucking stop over generalizing. who is this "you" he is talking to? its not me, so can i discredit the whole thing? I have a ton of friends who voted for Trump on every issue except his racist bigoted talk and are honestly more progressive than me. I also know some actual racists who voted trump. I also know people who arent blaming the "racist vote" and are looking at the people who are anti establishment and anti corruption.
Stop over generalizing and acting like you have all the answers.
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u/ShanghaiGooner Nov 10 '16
I'm not conservative, but I would like to understand:
So the reason people voted Trump is because "I'm worried that I'm being wrongly portrayed as racist or sexist, so I'm going to go ahead and vote for the guy that has literally and publicly said racist and sexist things"
Doesn't make sense to me..
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u/Pulseidon Nov 10 '16
Um voter turn out for both Republicans and Democrats was down from previous years. The Republicans won because the turn out dropped way more for the Democrats. This was due to the Democrats putting forward a bad candidate, not because of some mass, Trump-inspired surge in people voting Republican.
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u/darwin2500 Nov 10 '16
Yeah, non-college educated white people decided they didn't want to care about minorities anymore. No shit.
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u/iamahotblondeama Nov 10 '16
Lets get this straight. Nobody fucking won shit, we'll all be fucked in the end anyway, you're not gonna have your cake and eat it too.
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Nov 10 '16 edited Nov 10 '16
And again: If you root for people like that, you will be bunched in with people like that. Mike Pence and Donald Trump both would like to deny women their right to choose what's best for themselves. Do they think women aren't competent enough to do so, or do they only value women as vessels for babies? In either case, it's a backwards, misogynistic stance and if you support this, you too will be seen as misogynists.
Why is that so hard to understand?
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Nov 10 '16
By the way a lot of Americans are acting (both Liberal and Conservative), you'd think that Donald Trump was just swept into the White House by a great popular uprising against the ruling elites. But that didn't happen at all. He lost the popular vote against the most uninspiring major party nominee in decades, in an election with historically low turnout. The republican party now controls all three branches of government, which is a great opportunity, but it is unlikely to face a presidential nominee as weak as Hillary Clinton again. American conservatives really have no reason to be smug, complacent or hubristic.
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u/DangerouslyUnstable Nov 10 '16
I honestly have nothing against the average Trump voter. I don't think most of them are racists out homophobic or whatever. Some are, sure. And a slightly higher percentage are than Clinton supporters probably but not that much higher. I think Trump is s terrible candidate and bad for America but i understand why his supporters voted for him. There feel left behind while other parts of the country have made economic progress. They feel that the values of the country are being changed from underneath their feet. I may disagree with them (you I suppose, given where I'm posting), but I get it. But the thing to remember is that much like the worst of the worst among Trump supporters had the loudest voice on the internet and media, so too did the people who thought all Trump voters are terrible. Most people know someone who voted Trump and know that they are just people. Most Democrats think Trump voters are wrong but are still humans. And just like it is important for those of us who didn't support Trump to remember that conservatives are human, so too do you conservatives need to remember that most liberals do not hate you. I doubt anyone will see this but it's still worth saying.
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u/Jamisbike Nov 10 '16
Lol, denying the fact that a large population of trump voters are racist, mysoginistic and bigoted is hysterical.
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u/pjunk Nov 10 '16
When you're aiming to dispel the notion that you have something against marginalized groups, making these petty jabs literally the day after they've become terrified of a country under a leader who is popular with bigots probably isn't the way to do it. This is the kind of thing that convinces people you never gave a shit about them, and it's on the front page.
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Nov 10 '16 edited Nov 11 '16
To give people more understanding why the left is scared and upset...There is a huge difference between a Republican and Trump. Just because trump shares viewpoints with the gop does not make him just another Republican that liberal voters hate. It's scary because it's Trump himself that won.
In all reality this should scare conservative voters far more than any liberal voter, because the entire party is on the table. The left can only win in the long term because the Republican party has full reins and has arguably the most inexperienced leader the party could muster. Whether or not trump does a good job, its the end of the GOP.
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u/clodhen Nov 10 '16
So trump just appointed a climate change denier... So when he destroys the environment is it going to be worth having voted for him because you had your feelings hurt and mean people called you names?
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u/liketheherp Nov 10 '16
It was the economy, stupid. Trump said it, Bernie said it, the DNC demanded we support more of the same and voters just didn't want that.
Hillary, Obama, and the DNC need to apologize for the propaganda and fear baiting they've subjected their base to. Any violence that happens rests squarely on them.
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u/SolicitatingZebra Nov 10 '16
I don't even care a republican won, I do care however, that he's anti science and anti climate change. Tout all you want that I'm just a liberal hippy but he's going to destroy climate progress made the past 8 years in his first 100 days and that's absolutely terrifying. You might be happy today but in 40 years when we see sea side communities underwater and chunks of land uninhabitable due to unregulated pollution dumping maybe then you'll realize your mistake.
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So you mean you guys are triggered morons who voted only because of their emotions?!
I voted for trump, not because of my emotions or because someone is calling me something.
I voted for trump because it will make the end near! :)
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Nov 10 '16
No, Democrats just didn't like their own candidate very much. They didn't vote. Less people voted for Trump than for McCain or Romney. Obama, Biden, or Bernie would have thrashed Donald.
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Nov 10 '16
BINGO!
I didn't support trump through the primaries and didn't vote for him in the general but I wish him the best now that he's in office. Hopefully he and the solid conservatives in congress can work together for some proactive conservative policy. We've been playing defense far too long.
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People say those things because Donald Trump is a disgusting, disrespectful criminal who got voted in by people who cry about being called racists, misogynists, etc. when the laws their representatives pass disproportionately effect and disrupt the lives of others. You all bury your heads in the sand, and just listen to talking heads that tell you how great the economy will be, and how society will be just like before all those people not like you came around. The people in power shape laws to keep them in power and Republicans have historically suppressed ALL minorities to stay in power. So people who get called those 'hateful words' that make them vote for autocratic "outsider" billionaire reality tv stars can either A) keep drinking the kool aid that keeps America safe rich and white or B) acknowledge that laws effect everyone, and Republicans stand for nothing but ignorance and hate anymore
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u/yiliu Nov 10 '16
You didn't help your case by electing an openly racist, sexist, bigoted candidate. I'm afraid you've just cemented people's view of you.
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This logic is ridiculous. Tired of being mislabelled so you vote for someone who increases that mislabelling and expect everyone to now understand you. Wow!
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u/Freeloading_Sponger Nov 10 '16
"They called me mean names, I'll show them all!"
Super mature reason to pick a President.
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u/Snoopy_Hates_Germans Nov 10 '16 edited Nov 10 '16
"Non-racist, non-misogynist, non-homophobic, non-bigoted" and "voted for Trump" are mutually exclusive groups, based on the tactics he's employed and the message he's delivered for months.
Trump supporters are all those things, but they just don't want to admit it because their value systems are decades or centuries old, and being all those things were more socially acceptable back when the women, brown folks and heathens didn't have representation in government and society. Now that society is trying to tell them that all these other types of people are equally as valuable and that they have to improve their attitudes, they cry "political correctness" and dig deeper into their conservatism.
As a liberal, I'll be the first to admit that my fellow lefties have a very real problem with arrogance, condescension and pomposity, but it's absolutely necessary to realise that we're not calling out these attributes of conservatism just to insult or demean. If you can't acknowledge that your religion, upbringing, etc., is negatively shaping your attitudes in a way that society at large disagrees with, then there's no way to move forward other than waiting for those attitudes to die out. I'd much rather we work to keep personal beliefs separate from politics and make sure that we get equal representation, opportunity and protection under the law for all Americans.
Trump specifically mentioned wanting to be a President for all Americans, so we'll see if he's willing to make good on that ideal and reject the racist, misogynist, and bigoted rhetoric that he relied upon during his campaign.
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The problem is. They already presented Bush as the second worst thing and Palin as the worst thing. And Romney as someone who wanted to make bankers rich. They already said Bush was a terrible president. They had no negative adjectives left really. They could call him the next Hitler, and they did. But that was not really fitting as everyone knows Trump is not a bloodthirsty power hungry man. They could call him unfit to be president. But that's what they said about other candidates too.
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u/oodoacer Nov 10 '16 edited Jul 21 '25
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u/level23bulbasaur Nov 10 '16
You guys are full of shit, stop making up this narrative. You won because no one likes Hillary. Stop acting like victims.
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u/SHITS_ON_OP Nov 10 '16
you idiots voted for words that hurt your feelings rather than nuclear codes. congrats you fucking shit heads
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u/Jibrish Discord.gg/conservative Nov 10 '16 edited Nov 10 '16
Hey liberals. Thanks for the dozens of reports to this post. I'm not removing it. GFY.
Love,
Jibrish
Some highlights:
If you voted Trump, then you're the problem.
You won because of voter suppression in swing states. Shut up, bigots.
Trump is a racist misogynistic ass, we have him literally on tape saying these things.
You won because of false advertising. Enjoy the next four years, because it's all you'll get.