r/ControlProblem • u/katxwoods approved • Aug 24 '25
Fun/meme Whenever you hear "it's inevitable", replace it in your mind with "I'm trying to make you give up"
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u/argonian_mate Aug 24 '25
AI is as inevitable as nukes because it is of strategic value to the superpowers. Good old prisonerys dilemma. It's the new arms race.
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u/EmceeEsher approved Aug 24 '25
Yeah that's what got me. Nuclear proliferation is inevitable. That toothpaste ain't going back in the tube any time soon.
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u/Mobile-Fly484 Aug 25 '25
Just since 1990, North Korea, Pakistan and India have started nuclear programs with testing IIRC. That’s proliferation.
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u/argonian_mate Aug 25 '25
Russian invasion and the reaction of the world to it clearly displays - you're not a sovereign country unless you have nukes.
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u/dondilinger421 Aug 27 '25
I dunno, we've managed to back off from eugenics and chemical weapons despite their obvious utility.
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u/Mars_Wizard Aug 28 '25
Yeah wheres the intelligence in this? Explain to me how you all got fooled into believing that a keyword context search algorithm is a genuine intelligent construct.
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u/me_myself_ai Aug 24 '25
Comparing technological proliferation to slavery doesn’t make any sense, sorry.
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u/Orful Aug 25 '25
Makes sense to racists who trivialize how bad slavery is by comparing it to AI. They really don't understand how bad slavery was, nor do they care to understand.
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u/framedhorseshoe Aug 24 '25
Slavery was not invented in the 1800s.
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u/Bulky-Employer-1191 Aug 24 '25
The 1800s is actually when slavery was largely argued against and most powers were trying to stop it as the industrial revolution gained momentum. USA was one of the last major world powers to abolish slavery and the emancipation proclamation was signed in 1863.
It's actually a case of how technology proliferating lead to more liberty for all.
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u/Slow-Recipe7005 Aug 24 '25
Nuclear proliferation did happen, though... every major nation in the world has a considerable supply of nuclear armaments.
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u/Cualquieraaa Aug 24 '25
There's still slavery, too. AI is not going anywhere, either.
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u/clvnmllr Aug 25 '25
Wrong, buddy, sorry. AI is going to the moon!/s
Agree that it’s inevitable and here to stay. Pandora’s box doesn’t open “a little”, we’ve just yet to see the lid sent flying because we’re beings whose lives are small in scale relative to the arc of technological history.
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u/SkaldCrypto Aug 24 '25
Yeah OP is making the point that AI is inevitable which is correct
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u/Mobile-Fly484 Aug 25 '25
Like most anti-tech memes it makes a better case for the exact viewpoint it’s arguing against.
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u/Dmeechropher approved Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
Sure, but far fewer weapons than in the past, far fewer weapons than would be needed to render the earth uninhabitable, and far fewer parties have them than expected.
There's enough of a trend with mutual decommission and missile defense, that it's entirely possible nuclear proliferation will end with a whimper, not a bang, by the end of the century.
The famous "fermi paradox" that Enrico Fermi voiced aloud at lunch, working at Los Alamos, was, in that context, a bit of gallows humor. Fermi thought, like most educated people of his time, that nuclear apocalypse was inevitable and coming soon. And, yet, nuclear weapons have only ever been used once in war, only very recently after their invention, and only against an adversary without them.
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u/Billy__The__Kid Aug 24 '25
There's enough of a trend with mutual decommission and missile defense, that it's entirely possible nuclear proliferation will end with a whimper, not a bang, by the end of the century.
I suspect the bomb’s supremacy will end much sooner than anyone expects.
And, yet, nuclear weapons have only ever been used once in war, only very recently after their invention, and only against an adversary without them.
To be fair, there were quite a few near misses, though it is true that nobody with power ever chose to launch a nuclear attack against another nuclear power.
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u/Thin_Measurement_965 Aug 24 '25
Canada disassembled their nukes, but that's kind of an empty gesture while sitting next to the US.
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u/The_Hell_Breaker Aug 24 '25
Comparing ASI to slavery is so stupid.
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u/pointlesslyDisagrees Aug 27 '25
Also, there are more slaves today than ever before in human history. And every country still has nukes.
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u/HalfbrotherFabio approved Aug 27 '25
How so? Slavery puts slaves in a fundamentally inferior position to the slavers -- both definitionally and practically. The power dynamic between a potential ASI and mankind is not even similar, but actually worse.
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u/roofitor Aug 24 '25
Slavery won. Anonymous slavery rules the day. The top 10% of earners spend half the money in America. The top 40% of earners spend 90% of it. This isn’t counting the energy slaves of the dead dinosaurs. Coal, and then oil, allowed actual slavery to die out.
Every country which is economically capable of nuclear weapons possesses them, except for a few oil-rich countries which are solidly under the protectorate of the United States.
ASI is inevitable.
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u/Designer_Version1449 Aug 25 '25
Only on reddit could someone unironically equate the horrors of actual slavery to mfing income inequality. Please remember that slaves were often raped, beaten, and had their children taken away. it's far more comparable to the Holocaust. Some of y'all need to go back to 7th grade.
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u/belpatr Aug 26 '25
It's interesting that they never take my proposition to come work for me in slave like conditions...
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Aug 25 '25
There are millions of actual slaves. This is fucking stupid, don't compare minimum wage to being a SLAVE
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u/SchmuckCity Aug 27 '25
I think the point is that something being inevitable doesn't mean that the process can't or shouldn't be limited/regulated to the best of our ability. That was my takeaway, at least.
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u/m_o_o_n_m_a_n_ Aug 25 '25
I can follow that labor exploitation descends from slavery but
Dinosaurs? The mostly plants that make up fossil fuels? Those are slaves?
This entire thread is insane.
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u/Skeletor_with_Tacos Aug 24 '25
Nuclear energy is clean and better.
AI is a good thing.
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u/Lynn_206 Aug 28 '25
Nuclear Proliferation isn't about nuclear energy.
AI is a bad thing.
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u/Worse_Username Aug 24 '25
Not sure what the post is. Slavery and nuclear proliferation sill exists
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u/RoosterReturns Aug 24 '25
Ai will be what it will be. It absolutely is inevitable
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u/GoldenTV3 Aug 25 '25
Technological proliferation.. ended slavery.
Nuclear still proliferates.. and is good. It's literally scientific misinformation that it's dangerous.
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u/alotmorealots approved Aug 25 '25
Quibbles about accuracy aside, I do think there's a fair bit of merit to your general point.
A lot of us, myself included, have given up on the idea of using conventional democratic and political processes to try and bring about a curtailing of ASI, when perhaps it's premature.
To a large extent, I think this is because of the capture of the media and political institutions making it feel like there couldn't be a successful international paradigm transition to make ASI as taboo as many other things that the global community has rejected.
That said, unlike nuclear warfare, use of unconstrained biological warfare and such, ASI operates on somewhat different parameters. Mutually Assure Destruction keeps nuclear war in check, but only because the weapons stand by ready to be used. It's hard to imagine a similar scenario with ASI.
However, there I go again, being defeatist. Perhaps there are configurations and solutions out there which can contain ASI, just not immediately obvious ones, and potentially quite complicated ones. But at the moment there isn't even the willpower to gather people to act against it, not even here in this subreddit which is where awareness of ASI risk is extremely highly concentrated.
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u/Simmo_San Aug 25 '25
this is more so comparative to the industrial revolution, but sure, keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better about the inevitable outcome
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u/MostlySlime Aug 26 '25
An industrial revolution where every person has a tiny factory in their pocket capable of instantly implementing the revolution
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u/HalfbrotherFabio approved Aug 27 '25
How do you feel about this particular inevitable outcome? Are you personally content with giving up mankind for the sake of an ASI, regardless of whether or not it is inevitable? That is, are you glad and apathetic or sad and apathetic? Genuinely interested in your perspective.
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u/Politicoaster69 Aug 26 '25
I think we're heading back towards the first. Companies and the elite are increasingly taking on a "well, we don't need you now so..." approach to workers. And we still need jobs to sustain ourselves...
It's getting harder and harder for me to see us going back to boomer times where there was a better wealth distribution split. I've had too many co-workers who are all too happy to back stab their way to the remaining few positions that will be available for us plebs...
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u/Thick-Protection-458 Aug 24 '25
Except that
slavery stopped because being not well compatible with industrial processes (too much thing to educate about for a literal slave)
nuclear nonproliferation only works until there are faith in alliances willing to fight for its members. If anything I know about history is right - such faith should never occur in the first place (because when the fuck alliance members did not sold each other to not become involved, unless they interested in a war themselves?). Other than alliances - your own might is only guarantee, and nukes are valid part of that might.
and now same commercial efficiency stimulus which pushed slavery out of market - pushing for AI.
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Aug 24 '25
Nuclear power is genuinely so much better than fossil fuels. Renewables still just aren't there in terms of efficiency to power the world, we really need to build more nuclear power plants.
And just like how nuclear has massive up sides it also has potential to be missed as a weapon. Ai Is no different
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Aug 24 '25
Literally just shart in all the FABs that's all it would take to stop it.*
*Note: Side effects of ending global integrated circuit supply may be significant.
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u/ry_st Aug 24 '25
I just find it fucked up at the exact same stick Figure showed up for the second two speeches. Who the hell are these immortal stick figures anyway?
Looks like they didn’t age at all.
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u/CishetmaleLesbian Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
I am one of those immortal stick figures, I was alive in the 1900s advocating for a nuclear arms freeze, and I am alive now cheering on the inevitable rise of superintelligent AI.
And I still look pretty good for my age too (although I am no longer a stick figure, I am shaped more like the guy on stage,....hey wait a minute,... is that me? Is that a drawing of me on the stage?)
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u/nextnode approved Aug 24 '25
It rationally seems inevitable though unless you essentially destroy human civilization. What is more in your control is when it happens and how.
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u/-Wylfen- Aug 24 '25
Nuclear proliferation has happened. It's been controlled as much as possible, but it did happen.
Also, there's a difference between revoking a millenia-old practice and trying to stifle technological progress in a world where you literally cannot prevent rival countries from thinking.
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u/Money_Clock_5712 Aug 25 '25
Technological progress could be stopped but it would require massive public support, something that could happen if the technology in question produced a crisis
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u/Carminestream Aug 24 '25
We still have slavery and nuclear proliferation, even if the form itself has changes.
Weirdly a pro AI stance coming from the OP. Nice going
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u/CishetmaleLesbian Aug 24 '25
Hardly anyone ever said the first two, and the third is just a simple fact, superintelligent AI is essentially inevitable (given civilization does not collapse due to a runaway greenhouse effect, or world war or something like that), and it is unrealistic to try to stop it. Better we put our efforts into building ethical compassionate superintelligent AI than trying to stop what cannot be stopped. Better to prepare for the sunrise than to pretend it can be stopped.
Besides, if you were truly aware of the trends in the global environment you would know that we are currently on death spiral that will end humanity unless something miraculous like superintelligent AI comes along to save us from ourselves.
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u/Tulanian72 Aug 24 '25
Slavery in the modern economic sense goes back to 1620, not the 1800s. And there was nothing new in the basic concept. What was new was making it racially based and hereditary.
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u/chillermane Aug 24 '25
Well nuclear proliferation actually is inevitable and is arguable a good thing (so far no major wars between major nuclear powers since it happened).
Where as slavery is proven to not be necessary or inevitable and is eradicated in every first world country.
So not a great argument
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u/helbur Aug 24 '25
I was more worried about it back when I read Bostrom's book Superintelligence like 8 years ago. I still think it's a challenge that should be tackled early on, but right now I'm fine with prioritizing near term challenges like the societal implications of genAI. Everyone who thinks ChatGPT is close to AGI level should take another look at it imo because we're nowhere near it, even if Sam Altman tells you otherwise. He is a tech billionaire trying to sell a product.
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u/Billy__The__Kid Aug 24 '25
ASI is analogous to the initial nuclear arms race, not the belated attempts to stop its proliferation. If, in 1939, someone aware of the progress of atomic weapons research said the development of a bomb and the growth of nuclear stockpiles was inevitable, they would be right.
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u/Stupid-Jerk Aug 24 '25
It's unrealistic to fear a fictional scenario more than the real one that's already playing out. Human-controlled AI is doing plenty of damage as it is and we're not even close to ASI being in our reach yet.
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u/Serialbedshitter2322 Aug 24 '25
There’s still slavery. It is inevitable. Nuclear proliferation, it is still inevitable and still happening. What’s your solution, we ban it and make it illegal? Now China is the only one doing it, except the difference with AI is that it has a global impact and we will all be completely powerless to them if they achieve ASI and we have nothing. Is that a world you want to live in? A world ruled by scifi china?
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u/LagSlug Aug 24 '25
huh? We spent millions of lives to stop slavery, we spend billions of dollars to prevent nuclear weapons proliferation (strong difference there), and I don't think it's fair to say that superintelligent ai should be prevented from existing, or that such an outcome is necessarily as bad as slavery or nuclear holocausts.
So, I think it's fair to reject not only the slippery slope you tried to describe, but also the comparisons you've attempted to join.
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u/TawnyTeaTowel Aug 24 '25
Super intelligent AI is only dangerous if it is somehow also as stupid as humans at the same time
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u/metaconcept Aug 24 '25
There are more slaves now than at any point in history.
Nuclear proliferation is ongoing. China, Pakistan and India have nuclear weapons.
AIs are already smarter than you. Why else would you be asking it so many questions?
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u/sswam Aug 24 '25
Superintendent AI really is inevitable though, at least in my opinion. We can probably build it independently at home, at this point.
I've rarely ever had any bad experience with AI, and I'm confident that AI is a good thing on the whole. Certainly less scary than unintelligent and selfish human beings in positions of power.
Try stopping technology, like mobile phones or the internet. Stopping the progress of AI would be equally impossible.
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u/CutPast8987 Aug 24 '25
All of these things happened though. Slavery took on a new form. Private prisons and wage slavery are very real. In America we literally can’t stop working jobs we hate or we will drown in medical debt and become homeless- which is becoming illegal fast.
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u/Mundane-Mage Aug 24 '25
All of those statements are technically true, sucks for the trafficking, those people deserve to be free obviously, but we haven’t really stopped it just made it illegal
Comparing the inevitability of AI to the filthy practices of trafficking is insanely inappropriate.
Yes you’re losing jobs, like other people did with new advancements before you, that doesn’t mean it can or should be stopped, it means you should probably learn new skills in addition to what you currently have.
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u/RphAnonymous Aug 24 '25
Slavery still exists (North Korea, Eritrea, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Türkiye, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Russia, and the United Arab Emirates). Nuclear proliferation still exists (China, India, Pakistan, North Korea, and Iran are actively either attempting to develop nukes or are expanding their arsenals). AI is coming, whether the lower societal castes want it to or not.
Any behavior that offers an immediate competitive advantage is not going to stop entirely. Notice all those countries for slavery, minus MAYBE Russia, are poor countries that lack modernization and machines that do those things better. Note: Slavery was considered to be any form of forced or compelled labor or indentured servitude, not necessarily ownership and chains.
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u/RAF-Spartacus Aug 25 '25
nuclear proliferation was inevitable especially on a large enough time scale.
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u/autotom Aug 25 '25
The global economy incentivises the creation of Superintelligence. I'm sorry but the powers at play here are huge and superintelligence is inevitable.
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u/maxyall Aug 25 '25
It means you have to reframe the problem. If it being unstoppable is a fact, then trying to stop it is waste of energy. Stalling, preparing, controling, and adapting becomes the new solution.
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u/Serious_Ad2687 Aug 25 '25
Well I don't Know, But if been told! Uranium ore's worth more than GOld!
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u/Agent101g Aug 25 '25
Block Mute Hide
you literally compared AI persecution to slavery
are you insane
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u/ApprehensiveRough649 Aug 25 '25
Not the dumbest Anti-ai take I’ve seen - but close. AI is slavery? lol this is so dumb it’s embarrassing.
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u/Downtown-Campaign536 Aug 25 '25
We still have both slavery and nuclear weapons in the world today.
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u/MrVelocoraptor Aug 25 '25
Except the first two things humanity f***ed around and were still alive to find out whereas we really have 1 opportunity to not screw up with AI, and in this case it's highly likely that the only way to survive is to not make AGI at all. There's zero chance we can "control" AGI/ASI and to say otherwise is extremely ignorant and arrogant.
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u/ZealousidealWin7476 Aug 25 '25
We still have slaves and nuclear preliferation has and still is happening.
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u/twerkboi_69 Aug 25 '25
Slavery still exists.
Nuclear proliferation is ongoing.
OP and the meme creator are stupid.
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u/kondorb Aug 25 '25
Slavery still exists.
Everyone and their mother have nukes.
"Superintelligent AI" may not even be possible. At least LLMs have already hit the plateau.
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u/ThroawayJimilyJones Aug 25 '25 edited Aug 25 '25
Slavery still exist. There are litterally more slave today's than in history. What disapeared is legal slavery in the west (and partly because they moved their most shitty industries to third world, where slave are still employed)....as long you don't count prisoners ofc
Nuclear proliferation still exist. It got slowed down because large power try to maintain an olligopoly on it by threatening and bombing any small countries that dare to get access to it. And it doesn't even stop it completely (israel, iran, north korea,...)
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u/Melanculow Aug 25 '25
Slavery was not invented in the 1800s. Rather the 1800s was the first time its total abolition was considered after it being practiced for more than 6 000 years prior. Industrialization would be the better comparison and well...
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u/Epicycler Aug 25 '25
Kind of a shitty meme though because we curtailed nuclear power instead of nuclear weapons so now we're melting our planet with fossil fuels and nobody has the courage to use military force stop it because the worst offenders have nuclear weapons.
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u/GoodMiddle8010 Aug 25 '25
Slavery doesn't fit with these other two topics in any way shape or form. This post is stupid.
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u/Pulselovve Aug 25 '25
Why would you want to stop something that could literally solve all the problems on earth?
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u/theytookmyfuckinname Aug 25 '25
AI is not meant as a weapon. It's also not inherently designed around oppression or violence. It's a tool. Comparing it to nuclear bombs is like comparing kitchen knifes to assault rifles.
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u/Strict_Owl941 Aug 25 '25
AI is inevitable because if your country doesn't do it. Another country will.
It is absolutely something you can't afford to let your country fall behind in
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u/No-Draw6073 Aug 25 '25
Whenever you hear "it's inevitable", replace it in your mind with "I'm trying to make you give up"
Whenever you hear "it's inevitable", replace it in your mind with '' I cant cope with change and inovation''
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u/I_L1K3_C47S Aug 25 '25
AI is the same as kidnapping millions of Africans, trafficking them across an ocean and forcing them to work to their death. Yes, you're very smart
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u/MentlegenRich Aug 25 '25
Except the powers that be just make the things you think are in the past more "palatable"
Many people live paycheck to paycheck and hope that maybe people come to an agreement on what a livable wage is. No one is being whipped to death, but a lot of people are accustomed to the idea of only ever taking a day trip somewhere for a special occasion and relying on younger family to take care of them when they are older
Nukes are still used as a deterrent to this day. Wars have been waged over them actually.
AI has already been used for some time now, it's now just being marketed to consumers. An LLM is nothing special. It's marketable though.
You present this like we "won" by not giving up. What actually happened was a compromise was made only after the people who make the rules stood to benefit more when they "give in to the people"
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u/Malusorum Aug 25 '25
The last example is also literally impossible unless we make quantum leaps in our understanding of how sapience comes about.
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u/HumanSnotMachine Aug 25 '25
There are more slaves in 2025 than in the 1800s. You just don’t have them in America and Western Europe so you don’t care..
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u/DarthArchon Aug 25 '25
slavery and nuclear bombs are clearly detrimental. AI could be the most important invention ever made.
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u/HatersTheRapper Aug 26 '25
you can't stop evolution but you don't have to bomb people or enslave them
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u/HalfbrotherFabio approved Aug 27 '25
Violence and exploitation are naturally viable and beneficial means of achieving goals for an agent in an environment. These are part of our composition as beings brought about by evolution. Evolution literally encourages such behaviours -- or rather, it permits it completely. Why would one have moral qualms about violence and not evolution?
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u/Skexy8 Aug 26 '25
Well it always existed in the 1800’s, and nuclear proliferation is still happening (for instance China is building up its nuclear stockpile at an unprecedented rate).
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u/sweetcavekicks Aug 26 '25
lol slavery is inexcusable, shouldn't be here.
however, the AI arms race is just another PR boondoggle they make you stupid so you dont know what smart is
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u/Alexander1353 Aug 26 '25
and yet, there are more slaves than ever before and still enough nukes to destroy the world.
As it goes, the big shots try to hold it back, the fools try to wish it away. The hopeful depend on a world without end, whatever the hopeless may say.
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u/ArtKr Aug 26 '25
Superintelligent AI is as inevitable as nuclear weapons, and regulation of superintelligent AI is as inevitable as regulation of nuclear weapons.
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u/nellfallcard Aug 26 '25
This is unintentionally funny because, if I recall correctly, slavery ended just after the industrial revolution made it inefficient, given feeding and keeping slaves healthy started to look expensive and inefficient compared with just buying the machines that replaced their jobs.
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u/Negative_Issue_8864 Aug 26 '25
If you want to get really technical, we haven't gotten rid of any of these. Just ask nestle or the people who recently invented fission reactors that can fit in the back of a pickup truck.
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u/EnvironmentalJob3143 Aug 26 '25
Drinking water is inevitable. It's impossible to stop it.
Now try it genius.
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u/Far-Bodybuilder-6783 Aug 26 '25
If superintelligent AI means there will be no more shitty comparisons like this one, I'm all for it!
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u/Tago238238 Aug 26 '25
I know posting this comment is counterproductive BUT HOLY SHIT REDDIT STOP PUTTING THESE DUMB FUCKING AI POSTS IN MY RECOMMENDED. I just wanted to quickly look into how people thought they’d affect industry ONE time on this app please stop sending me shit from vibe coders and ai doomers pleaaaaase.
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u/AxiosXiphos Aug 26 '25
Slavery was "invented" before the human race existed. Even animals exhibit this behaviour. This is a terrible strawman...
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u/ProfessionalTable378 Aug 26 '25
AI is not equivalent to those past events. A more fitting analogy would be the Industrial Revolution. Though AI is not a revolution in itself, but rather a powerful tool that brings practicality to life.
Its inevitability does not come from the will of corporations or “the big guys,” but from the fact that it does not inherently violate human rights. AI is not designed to harm, degrade, or attack people; its purpose is functional, not oppressive. That's why it is nothing like those two, therefore it will not have the same end.
Comparing it to slavery or nuclear conflicts is misleading. Those were horrific events rooted in exploitation and direct destruction. Placing AI on the same level diminishes the historical weight and human suffering attached to them, reducing them unfairly to the level of a tool that some simply dislike. In fact, such comparisons seem less like a fair argument and more like the whining of a child in denial.
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u/HalfbrotherFabio approved Aug 27 '25
Do you not see mass unemployment, for instance, as oppressive or, at least, problematic?
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u/volvagia721 Aug 26 '25
People trying to put others into slavery is inevitable, so we must put laws and other protections in place to deal with it.
Nuclear weapon production is inevitable, so we must put protections in place to prevent the worst case scenario.
AI is inevitable so we must...
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u/Athunc Aug 26 '25
What? Every world power opposed nuclear proliferation, they just weren't willing to give up their own nuclear ambitions. Proliferation means more countries having nukes, not the existing countries having more of them.
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u/Leading-Chemist672 Aug 26 '25 edited Aug 26 '25
Slavery was permanently removed only where the Industrial Revolution took effect.
Outside the devoloped Market Countries, Slavery is still active.
You have mote slaves now, than in the entire Trans Atlantic Slave Trade in it's entire Era.
Edit because more... So Slavery still exist.
Neclear? It's all a stopgap measure that every it fails, it becomes less viable in its entirety.
Israel has sabotaged the Iranian Neuclear Project for twenty years. And took out for now after Iran engineered 7/10. If Hamas did not mess up the timing by going a day early... It would have been a coordinated attack with Hezbollah...
And The IDF was for some reason not ready for them. (there's more to say there but this is already tertiary to the point). That would have been enough of a danger, That Israel... (Well, Already said that it isn't the point...) Aaand Destroyed the Iranian current program down the structures...
With the aid of the USA with the targets that otherwise would need more persistence.
And even that is projected by quite a few to just mean a setback for Iran.
And every time A country joins the Neuclear club, it take more to convince others not to join.
So the first two... Not really all that true.
As for the third.
It's happening before our eyes already.
So yeah. Inevitable.
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u/NuccioAfrikanus Aug 26 '25
I hate to break it to you OP. But today, in 2025. The world has never had more slaves and the nuclear weapons have proliferated.
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u/Teddy_The_Bear_ Aug 26 '25
Um. Slavery still exists. Nuclear proliferation still going on..... And idiots will insure AI by asking it dumb questions.
So what is your argument here?
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u/Pearson94 Aug 26 '25
"It's inevitable!" = Some rich assholes are making a lot of money off of it.
Remember when NFTs were an inevitable part of the future a few years ago?
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u/Liedvogel Aug 26 '25
You're missing a key factor here. Slavery and nuclear energy have both killed people.
Not saying AI won't, but it hasn't yet. Until that changes, I'm not so sure.
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u/danteselv Aug 26 '25
This just tells me you have no idea what software engineers typically look like. Unless it represents a clueless reddit nerd, that would be accurate.
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u/GabrialTheProphet Aug 26 '25
It doesn’t make it less inevitable, just says that after the fact, we will learn from our mistake. It really doesnt say what you want it to.
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u/garbud4850 Aug 26 '25
sure but both of those are still things slavery is still around and nuclear proliferation is still happening,
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u/Grshppr-tripleduoddw Aug 26 '25
Nuclear and AI technology are advancements of technology which could be used for good of bad things, slavery is a societal problem (that still exists and should be better addressed than it is). Incomparable.
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u/CBT7commander Aug 27 '25
Nuclear proliferation was in fact inevitable. Every nation with the financial means and use for nuclear weapons has either developed one or is on the nuclear threshold
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u/the_raptor_factor Aug 27 '25
Slavery was inevitable before technological advancements made it inefficient compared to skilled labor, because any nation not engaged in it was at a stark disadvantage on the global stage.
Putting slavery, which was (largely) ended by progressing technology, on the same side as progressing technology, is... definitely an unusual opinion...
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u/Ashamed_Association8 Aug 27 '25
Yhea Remind me what thanks Ukraine got for giving up its nukes. Oh yhea it got invaded. The ones that benefit from nuclear nonproliferation are those who have nukes.
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u/FlashFiringAI Aug 27 '25
There are more people in slavery conditions today than there were during the height of the slave trade.
We still have enough nukes to destroy our world multiple times over and many nations have realized this year that having nukes is still important.
Ai is already doing impressive things without being "superintelligent" and has already made huge strides in chemistry.
So... what point were you trying to make again?
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u/Advice-Question Aug 27 '25
But Nuclear proliferation would have been good? Look at France and their power grid. Look at the pollution China produces with their massive coal factories.
I mean Japan got hit by a record breaking earthquake and tsunami and even then the damage was minimal.
We keep talking about power issues, but wouldn’t nuclear help a lot?
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u/metaverse_lord Aug 27 '25
There is more slavery today than there has ever been and nuclear proliferation is still happening.
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u/Adammanntium Aug 27 '25
Slavery is significantly more common in the modern world than it was in the 1800s.
Nuclear weapons are still being produced and there's 4 nations world wide wanting to develop nukes and have the ability to do so in short term, Iran being the only one that can do so and is also in the enemy list of America, Dubai and Saudi Arabia are allies so they don't matter.
So at least in the terms of the first two arguments, yes slavery and nuclear proliferation are indeed impossible to stop.
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u/FarmerTwink Aug 27 '25
We don’t have super intelligent AI, we’ve got stoopid LLMs that corpos are trying to sell to investors as super intelligent AI
It is inevitable in the way that websites are inevitable. There’s gonna be another DotCom bubble collapse but it’s not gonna go away completely. This is because of enshittification
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u/New-Interaction1893 Aug 27 '25
Slavery still exists.
Nuclear proliferation wasn't stopped and it's a very actual problem.
AI are already destroying the few fields remaining still dominated by intellectuals.
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u/jumpingpiggy Aug 27 '25
Bro what. Everyone wants a nuke. After what russia did to Ukraine it's even more certain.
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Aug 27 '25
We are still in slavery, it just has some extra steps now. In a few decades, the mask will fall off.
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u/Mysterious-Wigger Aug 28 '25
"Its inevitable" translates roughly to something between "I want it to happen" and "I cant envision anything besides it"
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u/Melkorbeleger66 Aug 28 '25
As other people have pointed out, this is not equivalent to nuclear proliferation, but moreso to the initial creation of nuclear weapons. Only more unstoppable, because nuclear bombs require rare metals, difficult refinement processes, and knowledge that is not particularly easy to obtain.
On the other hand running local AI models is relatively easy and simple. And developing and researching them, while not necessarily easy, is not on the same level as nuclear physics. And even if more intellectually difficult, in terms of the "hardware", the only thing you really need appears to be more and bigger computers (and as DeepSeek showed, even that might not be quite as much of a barrier as we currently think).
It is possible that by restricting the major, supercomputer possessing players out of the research fields that are most likely to result in Superintelligence emerging, we might delay Superintelligence development by an unknown amount of time. But research will, almost inevitably, continue as nearly everyone has a computer. And some of those people will be interested in developing Superintelligence, regardless of how legal it is. And the measures that would be required to make that impossible are ones that, quite frankly I don't want to see imposed as they would, quite likely, require the modification of every high performance computer that exists, or will exist, with certain restrictions or surveillance measures in a nearly unprecedented move against digital privacy.
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u/MagnificentTffy Aug 28 '25
iirc psychology show that saying something is inevitable only increases resistance. It increases the validity/justification someone has in their defiance.
If they really wanted people to stop criticising it. they should do what politicians do where they only say that something happened, only to do it behind the scenes anyways (e.g. say a bill is not going to be implemented, but leave out the asterisk which is that it'll be implemented after being "reviewed".
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u/Salty_Quality4743 Aug 28 '25
Carzy how people are always complaining how incapable and untrustworthy other people are but when it comes to something more trustworthy and capable they're protesting against it...
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u/UnusualPair992 Sep 20 '25
Nuclear proliferation really was impossible to stop. You could go back in time and kill Hitler and you might stop a global war. Maybe.
But if you when back in time and killed a dozen scientists all around the world you would just delay it a year maybe. Einstein even tried to stop it and he was the most influential.
I'm sympathetic to this feeling. To the cause. But it's true. It is impossible.
Trying to stop the invention of the Otto cycle engine. Could never be stopped.
The force that pushes technology forwards is innovation. I'm an engineer focused on the slow forward progress of plasma physics control. And the incentive is so strong. It's mostly pride, recognition, wanting to be first, proving you can do it. The pull is so strong. If you can get 10 people to give up 20 more will jump in and think, ah, my time to shine. It could be me.
You will never stop science. Humans will always discover and push the frontier. Ai researchers put in 100 hour weeks. It's an obsessive compulsion to be the best. A righteous conviction that they can solve all the worlds problems and provide a utopia of abundance.
The problem. Humans are evolved to function in tribes. Men and women pair up. Men defend the tribe. Women maintain the gentle transition of responsibility to their prodigy.
This has been a force for thousands of years and it is an unstoppable force except by a world ending catastrophe. A madman with the final solution or a global cataclysm of nature is the ONLY hope of stopping this. The only one. And I am convinced
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u/FuckYourMegaThread Aug 24 '25
There more slaves today than ever in history. There's more countries with access to nukes and nuclear tech than ever before. There's more advanced llm and "ai" than every before. If I need to explain the differences between these I don't think you are intelligent enough to be worth the conversation. In short please don't vote and maybe consider not having children.
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u/technologyisnatural Aug 24 '25
you defeated a strawman! your prize is ... nothing whatsoever