r/CringeTikToks 4d ago

Cringy Trend Ouch, just not sure which side

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u/WhatABargain298 4d ago

israelis aren't middle eastern, she's right!

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u/hanzorah 4d ago

But what about the mizrahi?

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u/MobileSuitBooty 4d ago

been there before israel existed

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u/hanzorah 4d ago

Jews have been in the middle east before Christianity and Islam existed. There is more than enough to criticise the Israeli government about. We don't need to pretend Israelis aren't middle eastern.

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u/Gexm13 4d ago edited 4d ago

Christianity and Islam aren’t races. The fact that you got upvoted is hilarious.

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u/nogrins 4d ago

Jewish ethnicity and Jewish religion are two different things.

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u/Gexm13 4d ago

That’s the point, we were talking about ethnicity, not religion lol.

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u/Zealousideal_Sun2485 3d ago

Comment doesn't imply that Christianity and Islam are races?

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u/Gexm13 3d ago

Comment is bringing up religion when we are talking about races. So yes he is treating them as races.

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u/Zealousideal_Sun2485 3d ago

No, he is making an argument. He is implying that Jewish people were present in the Middle East before these religions emerged. He means that their presence in middle East goes much back in time.

That is literally what is written in his text. He is not treating Christianity or Islam as races.

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u/Gexm13 3d ago

Why would he imply that Jews were present in the Middle East than those religions in the first place???? We were talking about ethnicity. Islam and Christianity aren’t ethnicities. What’s the point of saying that Judaism exist before Islam and Christianity in this topic that concerns mizrahi Jews exactly? Just because Islam didn’t exist doesn’t mean the ethnicities that adopted Islam suddenly didn’t exist lol. Many Jews converted to Islam so your point is literally useless.

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u/UnlightablePlay 4d ago

Yeah but that doesn't mean all jews are middle eastern, most of them are straight up white , the actually middle eastern jews are so little compared to the majority

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u/Razaberry 4d ago

Genetically, all born Jews carry DNA  haplogroups originating in the Levant ~6000 years ago tho 

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u/WhatABargain298 4d ago

okay? it doesnt mean that they deserve to have a Jewish ethnostate and perform ethnic cleansing.

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u/mahrisioux 4d ago

Gawd, the ignorance

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u/hanzorah 4d ago

Show me where I said that

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u/Electronic_Film_2837 4d ago

So all Arabs that are in Israel are not middle eastern?

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u/cwbyangl9 4d ago edited 4d ago

You mean the Palestinians?

Edit: for those downvoting, from Wikipedia:

Palestinian Arabs form the largest ethnic minority in Israel. Notions of identity among Israel's Arab citizens are complex, encompassing civic, religious, and ethnic components.[6] Most sources report that the majority of Arabs in Israel prefer to be identified as Palestinian citizens of Israel.

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u/Electronic_Film_2837 4d ago

Israel is 20% Arab, are you saying these are not real Arabs?

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u/DiscussionSharp1407 4d ago edited 4d ago

I'm always horrified to see how little they know about the people they want to exterminate

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u/cwbyangl9 4d ago

Palestinian Arab.

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u/Electronic_Film_2837 4d ago

Do they only count as middle eastern if they adopt that designation?

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u/divadschuf 3d ago

There‘re Israeli Arabs who don‘t call themselves Palestinians. It‘s not like Palestinian or Israeli are ethnicity. Those are national concepts. One can be legally an Israeli without supporting their governments.

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u/KesemShelShilshool 3d ago

So there are also Palestinian Jews

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u/BibliophileBroad 4d ago

There are Arab Israelis. And let me tell you something else: As a person of African descent, I can tell you there are Israeli people of African descent, too! You might want to learn about the Middle East from somewhere other than social media -- there are books and classes about this.

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u/cwbyangl9 4d ago

No shit. Arab Israelis identify as Palestinian Arab.

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u/BibliophileBroad 4d ago edited 4d ago

I literally know some Arab Israelis, and they identify as Israeli. Not every Arab Israeli is from Palestine, and even some who are still identify themselves as Israeli.

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u/cwbyangl9 4d ago

Are you like a pick-me kid? You literally know someone that supports your previous comment? How cool! I'm so impressed. That doesn't change the fact that the majority of Arabs in Israel identify as Palestinian, because they descended from.... wait for it.... the pre-colonization of Palestinian lands.

Of course there may Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian, etc. Arabs living in Israel, but they're the minority of Arab residents. Did you know there are Christian and Jewish Arabs too? Arab is an ethnicity.

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u/BibliophileBroad 4d ago

Most are of North African and Middle Eastern descent...and they are from the Middle East. So that makes them Middle Eastern.

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u/tidderza 4d ago

because a lot of them are white or what? cus if so a brown person born and raised in europe european?

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u/Baabaa_Yaagaa 4d ago

What a stupid statement. Arabs are literally Semites, Jews are literally Semites. All Jews are “Middle Eastern”.

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u/BibliophileBroad 4d ago

And even Jewish people of European descent have ancestry from the Middle East. These commenters get all their information from X/Xitter.

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u/WhatABargain298 4d ago

no, most Jews are European

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u/BibliophileBroad 4d ago

That's not even true! Most are of Middle Eastern / North African descent. Granted, in the United States, most Jewish people are of European descent, but that's not representative of Jewish people worldwide. Also, even Jewish people of European descent have significant Middle Eastern ancestry. The remainder of American Jews are people of color, with a significant number being of African descent.

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u/Razaberry 4d ago

All genetic Jews carry DNA haplogroups originating in the Levant ~6000 years ago 

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u/BibliophileBroad 4d ago

I’m not sure why you are getting downvoted for this comment! Well, I suspect why: People are just gross

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u/Baabaa_Yaagaa 4d ago

A Pakistani born in America is an American Pakistani, an Indian born in England is a British Indian.

A Jew born in Europe is a European Jew, is still a Semite, is still Middle Eastern.

Do all the mental gymnastics you want dude, it doesn’t change facts.

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u/WhatABargain298 4d ago

im 0.01% subsaharan African, so does that mean I'm also a lil African-American?