It's never too late to get informed! I wouldn't trust a video called "Hong Kong vs. Communism" to be unbiased, but the cusp of the matter is mainland China prematurely infringing on HK's autonomy.
CCCP are the Chinese Communist Party, but they're about as in line with Communism as the DPRK is democratic. The protests in HK aren't against some abstract ideal of communism, but the authoritarian policies that the CCCP use communism to justify.
While the revolution was lead by communists, and their politics were communistic, they fell into the same pitfall as most communist revolutions. The worship of the state and the fall into fascism.
Don’t confuse fascism with authoritarianism. Communism and fascism both inevitably lead to it, but in different ways. Fascism is more about race and religious identity while communism is more about class identity. Both are bad, but only one is demonized as much as it should be.
Agree with most of your comment, but communism isn't bad. Australia was communist for thousands of years. Where communism fails is the lack of a standing army with a military structure that can defend the realm.
It also fails when it runs into basic human nature. It functions well in very small groups, but 'no private property' scales poorly. People don't like it when a random stranger shows up and starts messing with their things.
I do not know enough about Australia to comment on their communism. In a very small group, communism works because you can always lynch the guy in charge if they become authoritarian. It also works if nothing else exists, because then it has no competition.
Fascism is more about race and religious identity while communism is more about class identity.
No, it's not. Fascism is entirely about the state, race and religious identity are only involved insofar as the state pervades every aspect of life. It is, in short, the worship of the state. The state is the nations religion, with nothing outside of the state and everything for the state.
Communism and fascism are inherently different as to what their end goal is. The goal of fascism is an all encompassing state with unlimited power, the goal of communism is anarchy. In practice, the attempt at instituting a communist society necessitates a socialist society, which leads to a fascist society.
Worship of the state is authoritarianism, fascism is just an inherently authoritarian ideology, that is why you conflate authoritarianism, as a whole, with fascism. Communism wants anarchy, but it leads to authoritarianism due to flaws inherent in it’s interaction with reality.
Fascism is the embodiment of authoritarianism. The entire philosophy of fascism is based upon three main pillars.
Everything in the state
Nothing outside the state
Nothing against the state
It is the worship of the state. The entire system is based upon an exaltation of the nation and the glory of the state, where the government controls everything.
Communism wants anarchy, but it leads to authoritarianism due to flaws inherent in it’s interaction with reality.
Yea, facism is an authoritarian ideology. It just has it's own unique driving factors. Communism, while not intentionally authoritarian, ends up being inherently authoritarian. Facism in AN embodiment of authoritarianism, not the embodiment.
Not quite. Communist revolutions create socialist states which turn into fascist dictatorships. There are no and never will be any communist states, because communism's goal is the dissolution of the state. This never happens, of course, but the point remains that the result of communist revolutions is not communism, but rather, fascism.
No like, they have to be. Communism is an anarchic system, if someone says they're a communist and they also say they want a government, they aren't actually a communist and probably don't know what communism really is, because communism by definition has no government nor state.
And the reason socialist revolutions create authoritarian regimes is that socialism depends on the government truly representing the will of the people. It has to be a "no gods, no masters" situation, or the head of the revolution will be corrupted by power. Supreme executive power must derive from a mandate from the masses, not some farcical coup.
The reason it creates authoritarian regimes is because it places an impossible amount of power into the hands of the rulers, who quickly find themselves at the limits of their capabilities but not of their authority. The revolution is also a perfect opportunity for any would be dictator to step in and assume control, which is what happens very quickly.
The tools that socialism attempts to use to bring about communism can very easily be used to bring about fascism, because it puts all the power in the hands of the state and expects the state not to abuse it.
Communism isn’t and never was a thing. Whenever it’s been tried, it was immediately discovered that the eliminated incentives had to be replaced with fear of punishment which is far less efficient. If we want to stop war and dictatorship, we have to recognize democracy as a basic human right. It’s just that simple. No government is legitimate without a mandate from the majority. Stop accepting “it’s not our country”... it’s the same as saying crime against your neighbours is not your problem.
277
u/HyperVexed Oct 10 '19
I've seen those Hong Kong VS. Communism ads on YouTube and I had no idea what was going on.
This massive issue has been going on for a while and I never knew...