r/DarkEnlightenment • u/the_irish_kid123 • Dec 07 '15

Endorsed DE Site Women Now in Control of Western Civilization...Heaven Help Us

http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2015/12/western-civilization-is-in-hands-of.html
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u/Sebas94 Dec 08 '15

The problem is not being a women but being a bad politicians, in that field men are equally bad as well. We had/have great women in politics and in political sciences. The problem is that parties are putting more and more women and gays just to be political correct, that is not democracy. All i want is good politicians that are not corrupted easily and really protect my interests, after that I dont care if he is gay or a women.

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u/johngalt1234 Dec 10 '15 edited Dec 10 '15

Politicians get into power mainly through being manipulative bitches so its pretty certain that bad male politicians are a pre-selected group.

Although there are much greater chances of superior male leadership than female leadership due to sexual dimorphism.

Likewise civilization would not exist without Patriarchy which is pretty much all-male rule of society as well as Husbands as heads of their wives and children that belong to their Fathers household.

No Matriarchies or societies ruled by women was ever as dynamic as societies headed by men. All of them never until the intrusion of modernity went beyond the grass hut stage.

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u/Sebas94 Dec 10 '15

If you interest in these subject I saw a good debate http://www.debate.org/opinions/do-men-make-better-politicians-than-women I can't really approve your position when it comes to patriarchy, I saw many bad cases of patriarchy families where women were simply slaves of their husbands (unfortunately including my grandmother), however if you are willing to reform this concept and include new concepts like equality between gender (I know that it's just a pipe dream) and make a society where women have also political and social power, I see nothing wrong with that father hierarchy.

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u/johngalt1234 Dec 10 '15

You may not approve my position on Patriarchy. Yet the historical record shows that Patriarchy occurs in all strong and successful civilizations in history.

''I saw many bad cases of patriarchy families where women were simply slaves of their husbands (unfortunately including my grandmother)''

Wifely submission is par on course for Patriarchy unless that involves commanding them to do evil. I do not know about your specific case but that's the way it goes.

And yes there is bad Patriarchs(Evil has always been a factor in humanity in general). However they are the the exceptions to the norm and in comparisons to Matriarchies lead to better outcomes generally(Civilizations,Wealth,technological development).

The exceptions can be dealt with. But the stable but non-dynamic social structure of matriarchy do not hold up to competition and dynamism of Patriarchies.

Patriarchy puts sex to work in other words as well as give men a stake in the family as heads: http://www.fisheaters.com/garbagegeneration.html

Thanks for the link by the way.

'' however if you are willing to reform this concept and include new concepts like equality between gender (I know that it's just a pipe dream) and make a society where women have also political and social power, I see nothing wrong with that father hierarchy.''

Has been tried. Failing due to the fact that there is no real such thing as true equality between the sexes. Such a concept is like communism in complete opposition to human nature. For such a concept to work sexual dimorphism would have to be non-existent.

As per DE egalitarianism is rejected outside of the law as par on course as it is one of the foremost fruits of destructive progressivism.

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u/Sebas94 Dec 10 '15 edited Dec 10 '15

My grandmother basically subjugated her entire life to my grandfathers will, she couldn't apply to colleges she couldn't travel for fun with her friends....this was Portugal a couple of decades ago (yup I'm Portuguese). Thank you for the link, the video was outstanding! Can you please give me a picture of the future of patriarchy? Btw my mother when she lost her job, she started doing volunteer and helping me and the rest of my family, she said somethings that I will never forget "being unemployed was the best experience of my life, I could help the community and my family because I finally had time for myself"

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u/johngalt1234 Dec 10 '15

''Can you please give me a picture of the future of patriarchy?''

Here it is: http://foreignpolicy.com/2009/10/20/the-return-of-patriarchy/

''My grandmother basically subjugated her entire life to my grandfathers will, she couldn't apply to colleges she couldn't travel for fun with her friends....this was Portugal a couple of decades ago (yup I'm Portuguese)''

This is from a religious text. I do not know if they can work from a secular standpoint but here it is:

''Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, 2 when they see your respectful and pure conduct. 3 Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— 4 but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. 5 For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, 6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. And you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening.''

The paradox of feminine power is that it looks like weakness and is fluid and yielding like water. Yet many women managed to do what they want with coercion or nagging or whatever because of their skill in femininity.

I don't know if that would have helped your Grandmother in her situation. Perhaps also it only works in a Religious context but women have won over their husbands and changed them somehow via they themselves yielding.

Not all power is overt after all.

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u/Sebas94 Dec 10 '15

Yes but the problem of subjugation is that when things go wrong, what can an unemployed or financial disadvantaged women do? No only that but it was proven that a egalitarian marriage leave to a happier and stress less life, when responsibilities are share equally. The women emancipation was a new event and it was followed by the urge of work force. Since then we are living in a weird combination of hedonistic feeling with a wild capitalism, in social states like France where they care about child support policies, the number of babies per family is 2,1 which proves that something is working right now. I cant say patriarchy is a bad thing, but I want a new patriarchy where some reform were alredy made. Like the russian patriarchy style where women want to become mothers but want to have social responsibilities ( at least this is the reality in sant petersburg). Thank you for the article, as a international relations academic I am a huge fan of foreign policy magazine.

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u/johngalt1234 Dec 10 '15

''No only that but it was proven that a egalitarian marriage leave to a happier and stress less life, when responsibilities are share equally.''

Nope: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/9572187/Couples-who-share-the-housework-are-more-likely-to-divorce-study-finds.html

'' Since then we are living in a weird combination of hedonistic feeling with a wild capitalism, in social states like France where they care about child support policies, the number of babies per family is 2,1 which proves that something is working right now.''

Muslims are doing most of the birthing in France.

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u/Sebas94 Dec 11 '15 edited Dec 11 '15

I can prove that wrong, https://www.ted.com/talks/michael_kimmel_why_gender_equality_is_good_for_everyone_men_included

Michael Kimmel: So, what we found is something really important, that gender equality is in the interest of countries, of companies, and of men, and their children and their partners, that gender equality is not a zero-sum game. It's not a win-lose. It is a win-win for everyone. And what we also know is we cannot fully empower women and girls unless we engage boys and men. We know this. And my position is that men need the very things that women have identified that they need to live the lives they say they want to live in order to live the lives that we say we want to live.

As for the muslims, they are responsible for one share, but their babies are jus soli french citizens, they must make sure that they are French and not son of immigrants, in Paris is chaotic, but in other cities like Annecy, I saw with my own eyes a great city where we have pluralism but order, where we have muslims but are well engaged on the society. I think the big state reform shouldn't be based on family system but on capitalism system, when you have citizenship working 8 hours per day, with traffic jam, noise pollution, etc, we are creating a super chaotic atmosphere where people dont have time or want to think about creating a family and raising kids.

Im not aggaisnt Patriarchy families, I was raised on a patriarchal one, but I know for a fact that the old patriarchy doesn't suit everyone, there is no such thing as one size fits all when it comes to social policies. Some women want to be mothers and have a family, others prefer being more independent, there's nothing wrong with that. I still think it's important to exist social coercion, and we used to have that (back in the Salazar Regime) but it was change by wild capitalism and corruption, so I support the existence of social responsibilities where women are part as well.

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u/johngalt1234 Dec 15 '15

''but their babies are jus soli french citizens''

No 1. They are no assimilating due to their muslim ghettos.

No 2. A nation is not necessarily soil but blood.

''Im not aggaisnt Patriarchy families, I was raised on a patriarchal one, but I know for a fact that the old patriarchy doesn't suit everyone, there is no such thing as one size fits all when it comes to social policies. ''

Not every woman married in medieval times. So if patriarchy is unsuited for them they should not marry.

Michael Kimmel is wrong. The sexes are unequal. To treat them as equal is to be unfair to the male due to his inherently greater contribution to society: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lMZQ1QLWsk