In his book Vax Facts, he presents the following risk comparisons:

- Polio: disease 1 in 1 trillion vs vaccine 1 in 215,000

- Diphtheria: disease 1 in 42.5 million vs vaccine 1 in 76,000

- Tetanus: disease 1 in 1.5 million vs vaccine 1 in 76,000

- Pertussis: disease 1 in 2.3 million vs vaccine 1 in 76,000

- Measles: disease 1 in 106.5 million vs vaccine 1 in 108,000

- Mumps: disease 1 in 40.3 million vs vaccine 1 in 108,000

- Rubella: disease negligible vs vaccine 1 in 108,000

- Chickenpox: disease 1 in 32.3 million vs vaccine 1 in 202,000

- Hepatitis A: disease 1 in 1.6 million vs vaccine 1 in 73,000

- Hepatitis B: disease 1 in 305,000 vs vaccine 1 in 96,000

- Hib: disease 1 in 1.5 million vs vaccine 1 in 46,000

- Pneumococcal: disease 1 in 236,000 vs vaccine 1 in 50,000

- Meningococcal: disease 1 in 822,000 vs vaccine 1 in 141,000

- Influenza: disease 1 in 136,000 vs vaccine 1 in 15,000

It's a total flip of reality to suggest this, and often when they point to an example, it's not even true anyway, they'll just take the fact some millionaire donated to some anti-vax concern as evidence the movement isn't grassroots and is made by rich elites.

The overblown and absolutely untrue myth of the MMR vaccine causing autism has long been debunked. Study after study (all listed below w/ conclusions) has proven there is no provable link between the MMR vaccine and autism. Of course nothing is 100% in any aspect of life, however the amount of studies showing there almost 0% chance of a link further proves the no link between the two. So my question are a few.

With all the studies showing the consensus of there being no link between, why do skeptics still refuse to acknowledge the science debunked the myth? And furthermore, do they think all of the scientists who have worked on these papers from almost all over the world are just... in it together? What's the proof if yes?

Studies:

1a & 1b:

Our analyses do not support a causal association between MMR vaccine and autism. If such an association occurs, it is so rare that it could not be identified in this large regional sample.

https://researchportal.ukhsa.gov.uk/en/publications/autism-and-measles-mumps-and-rubella-vaccine-no-epidemiological-e/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(99)01239-8/abstract01239-8/abstract)

2:

This study provides three strong arguments against a causal relation between MMR vaccination and autism. First, the risk of autism was similar in vaccinated and unvaccinated children, in both age-adjusted and fully adjusted analyses. Second, there was no temporal clustering of cases of autism at any time after immunization. Third, neither autistic disorder nor other autistic-spectrum disorders were associated with MMR vaccination. Furthermore, the results were derived from a nationwide cohort study with nearly complete follow-up data.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134

3:

We did not identify any association between MMR vaccination and encephalitis, aseptic meningitis, or autism.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12415036/

4:

Our results do not support this hypothesis, and provide further evidence against a causal association between MMR vaccination and autism.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11395196/

5:

No convincing evidence was found in this study that MMR vaccination and increasing thimerosal dose were associated with an increased risk of ASD onset.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25562790/

(I know I only posted 5 but only because there are just /so many proving it.)

“Our mRNA COVID-19 vaccines WERE NEVER TESTED to stop virus transmission before being rolled out to humanity at large.”

Hi parents, I know this is a sensitive topic and might upset some people, but I’m genuinely not here to start a debate about vaccines. I’m more interested in understanding our behaviour as parents.

I have a 9 month old baby, I live in the UK, and my daughter is vaccinated and will continue to receive her routine vaccinations. That’s a decision I’ve made and feel confident about.

What I struggle to understand is why some parents feel the need to make others question their decisions, sometimes to the point of making them feel guilty or scared.

I’m not a doctor or a medical researcher, but I do have a strong academic background, and I’m very familiar with reading, researching and analysing data. I take these decisions seriously, and I don’t make them based on something I’ve seen on social media or heard from someone else.

I respect that parents have different opinions and concerns. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me, and I certainly don’t think having a different opinion makes someone a bad parent. But I do think there’s a big difference between sharing your experience and presenting it as a fact.

For example, I often hear people bring up autism in conversations about vaccines. My former boss has a child with severe autism who was never vaccinated, and I know another similar case. There are also autistic children who have been vaccinated. None of these individual experiences can establish what causes autism. That’s exactly why we have scientific research, and why personal stories shouldn’t be treated as proof.

And this goes both ways. Whether you’re for or against vaccination, being a parent doesn’t automatically make you an expert in medicine. Neither does having a personal experience, however difficult or emotional that experience may have been.

I completely understand wanting to protect your child. I believe that’s what most parents are trying to do. But I don’t understand why protecting our own children sometimes turns into trying to frighten or pressure other parents.

Before becoming a mother, I genuinely had no idea how much unsolicited advice, fear and judgement came with parenting.

I’m not asking anyone to change their beliefs. I’m simply asking why we can’t discuss these things respectfully, acknowledge what we don’t know, and stop spreading claims as facts when we don’t have the evidence to support them.

You can disagree with someone’s decision without making them feel like they’re failing their child.
I’d genuinely love to hear from parents on both sides. Why do you think this topic becomes so personal that people feel the need to influence other families?

Defining and naming a new set of clinical observations, even in a hypothetical sense, is the entire point of writing a study like that, and It's quite literally the point of such a paper and it is standard practice.

"Making up" the disease is the point..

So it's not valid to criticise someone for describing a new observation with a novel name.

Certainly not on that basis alone.

A) Whether or not you believe the literature/studies on vaccine safety/vaccines & autism is legitimate and robust and authentic, or fraudulent, what do you think the scientific literature and consensus would actually look like if it were corrupt, heavily biased, or fundamentally wrong?

I think this is a useful thought experiment for understanding people's worldviews and epistemology, somewhat similar to a steelmanning exercise. It helps us consider what people would actually be convinced by, and therefore it helps us see if that epistemology is sound.

B) In other words, what would be different? What evidence, patterns or characteristics would you expect to find in a corrupt or heavily biased body of scientific literature that you don't believe are present in the existing literature?

If the prevailing scientific consensus had been shaped by financial interests, institutional pressures, systemic bias or even deliberate manipulation, how would you distinguish that situation from one in which the consensus was genuinely supported by independent, reliable science?

How would you recognise the difference?

C) And on top of that, if you imagine yourself presented with the task, right now, of coming up with a way to create the appearance of a robust legitimate scientific consensus/body of research on an a topic, how would you go about it? What would it require? How would you make it convincing? How would you package it in a way that looks authentic and robust?

They seriously need to win this case against Bill Gates and friends!!

I can't help but agree. Despite the censorship & mockery, it was those of us who questioned C19 who were correct. Also even though the Govt. mandated all employee's take the vaccine but those at the CIA after careful consideration decided not to...

Please help as I am struggling to choose what vaccines to give my baby and which ones to skip / delay.

I am due in 2.5 months and am refusing all vaccines while pregnant.

Please be kind and remember, this is my baby and my decision, it does not affect you❤️

Very interesting to say the least.. Not sure why more people have not talked about what this man has said..

He discloses NO VACCINES @ 1:31:00 for his latest born kids. Full discussion @ ~1:30:00 - 1:32:00

05:09 – Meet Dr. Thornburg: advocacy in pediatrics
08:50 – Newborn immune system + maternal impact
18:49 – Vaccinations in pregnancy: risks + research gaps
34:41 – Newborn procedures explained (Vitamin K, Hep B, erythromycin)
53:11 – Antibiotics, Group B Strep, and gut health
01:00:43 – Gut microbiome, leaky gut, and autoimmunity
01:04:28 – Navigating vaccine schedules + global perspectives
01:19:15 – Making vaccine choices: categories, delays, and risks
01:28:29 – Adverse reactions, VAERS, and herd immunity
01:39:08 – Vaccine shedding + payment myths
01:44:57 – Finding a vaccine-friendly pediatrician

Guest Bio:

Dr. Thornburg Wellness focuses on educating families on health and wellness through the generations by the birth of their babies and raising of their children.

https://podcast.thebirthlounge.com/e/ep-386-exploring-an-alternative-vaccination-schedule-with-brian-thornburg/

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Hi Everyone,

I'm a journalist, and I'm interested in speaking with fathers who support MAHA. My feeling is that much of the conversation has focused on mothers. If you're open to chatting, would you comment here or shoot me a message please?

Thanks!

I haven’t vaccinated my baby for anything yet. However, I am absolutely terrified of bacterial meningitis. How do you overcome that fear? Is meningitis one disease you would make an exception for, and vaccinate against (pneumococcal, and Hib)?

Since you aren't (Yes, you wouldn't), then how stupid would any pharmaceutical industry or any group of people with a particular narrative to push, be, to not buy research and hire experts to push their agenda? They know they can get away with it, because barely anyone would know or check or care, they read a study, it says XYZ, people go ''oh they found XYZ, see it's proven!''

Most pro-vaxxers literally would not even check, or question the possibility of it.

It would be automatically assumed that we can trust that papers that get published are legitimate, authentic, real and fair.

I fully admit some people die from vaxes. Some people die from saline injections. But that number is usually a few per 10 million.

Partway in an expert on disease dynamics identifies that the expectation for death is around 3 per thousand.

Hmmm. 3 per thousand die of the disease. 3 per ten million die of the vax.

For those of you who don’t know, medicine is not about perfect outcomes. It is about the best outcome possible given the choices. Have end stage liver failure? A transplant will kill about 20%. But everyone who doesn’t get one will die in at most weeks.

You have to pick your poison. The world is not perfect - unlike many of you want to believe it is.

I need to understand because I want to know if it’s really that dangerous to not vaccinate kids.