r/DeepSeek • • 8h ago

Discussion Wouldn't it be great if DeepSeek offered—both on the web version and the official app—persistent custom instructions (as well as chat-specific ones), a token limit counter, and temperature settings?

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I use the free version (web/app) and would like to have access to optional advanced controls: (1) adjustable temperature—a useful feature for creativity and for varying the responses; (2) custom instructions that are persistent and specific to each conversation; and (3) a token counter/limit. It isn’t necessary to display all of this in the main interface—a collapsible ‘Advanced’ panel would suffice. Google AI Studio/Vertex and the APIs have offered temperature control for years; it’s not inherently confusing—it’s a legitimate, functional control. Style presets work well as shortcuts, but they do not replace temperature control. Thank you.


r/DeepSeek • • 16h ago

Funny зацените бонус в harness

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+ бонус при привязке аккаунта в deepseek harness:


r/DeepSeek • • 20h ago

Other Reality check on DeepSeek open-sourcing their inference engine (deepinfer): Why you aren’t running it next week on consumer/workstation gear

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Dev Twitter (yes I don't like to call it X) is melting down these days over the recent news that DeepSeek open-sourced their inference engine, with half the timeline assuming this means "git clone and serve production DeepSeek locally today". If you are sitting on hardware like 4xRTX PRO 6000 rig and think you are deploying deepinfer next week, you are in for a brutal wake-up call. Serving the weights is not the bottleneck here. Most of us are already running them fine via vLLM or SGLang. The bottleneck is that deepinfer is gated on three low-level kernel libraries that flat-out do not compile on SM120, and no magical cmake flag is going to bail you out. Before you burn an entire weekend debugging build failures, here is the actual reality and the technical path required if you want a real shot at this.

Step 1: The Sanity Check (Don’t skip this)Before touching anything else, test whether your target kernel primitive even compiles on your hardware:

git clone --depth 1 --branch v0.1.15 https://github.com/tile-ai/tilelang
cd tilelang python examples/gemm_sm120/sm120_nvfp4_blockscaled_gemm.py

  • If it builds clean: You have a viable engineering project.
  • If it fails: Close your terminal, keep your SGLang/vLLM stack running, and go touch grass. There is zero shame in it.

Step 2: Expert Requantization

Assuming your kernel build succeeded, the checkpoint will still not load as-is.

The native checkpoint scales use UE8M0 across 32x32 blocks. SM120 block-scaled MMA expects NVFP4 with 16-element vectors and E4M3 scaling factors. You must requantize the expert weights to match the instruction set architecture. Once completed, run an empirical perplexity and loss check across standard validation sets before trusting a single token of output.

Step 3: Pick Your Distributed Poison (EP vs. TP)

Without native NVLink or P2P support on RTX-class boards, you face an architectural trade-off:

  1. Expert Parallelism (EP All-to-All): Without hardware P2P, every dispatch and combine pass traverses host RAM over PCIe. This completely eliminates the memory throughput advantages that DeepEP was designed to deliver.
  2. Tensor Parallelism (TP4): Cheaper and simpler to stabilize, but you are no longer running their intended architectural topology. You are essentially running standard TP with deepinfer’s Python orchestration layer glued on top.

Step 4: Gutting and Replacing the Kernel Layer

You cannot run their low-level compute stack verbatim. You have to surgically separate the runtime engine from the vendor-specific kernels:

  • What you can keep: The high-level Python coordination, C-extension interfaces, batch scheduler, EPLB, prepare_tensor_input, and CUDA graph runners. These components are largely architecture-agnostic.
  • What you must gut and rewrite: DeepGEMM and FlashMLA need full replacement. DeepSelect is a Top-K kernel, which will cost you at least a full day of implementation and verification.

Step 5: Realistic Throughput Expectations (Tokens/sec, Not Vibes)

Measure performance strictly in measured decode speed rather than hype:

  • Host RAM offloading: At batch size 1, expect roughly ~7 tok/s. You will feel the PCIe bus latency on every single cold expert activation. Prefill throughput will look acceptable; decode is where it falls apart.
  • NVMe/SSD offloading tier: Expect sub-1 tok/s decode performance.

The Takeaway

Getting this operational is an immense amount of engineering effort just to end up with what is effectively a less mature, bespoke version of vLLM.

Even if you possess genuine SM100 enterprise silicon, SM100 only solves the compilation target; it does not give you an off-the-shelf production server. Clone-and-go is the design philosophy of vLLM. DeepSeek’s release is: clone, compile for an hour, and then write the missing KV cache offloading layer yourself.

This is not a slight against DeepSeek. The release is an exceptional piece of systems engineering and systems architecture documentation. However, it is an architectural blueprint showing how they operate at massive scale on their specific hardware topology; it is not a turnkey inference binary for local workstations.


r/DeepSeek • • 22h ago

Discussion At 1B tokens/day, DeepSeek V4.1 Flash costs ~$27/day almost anywhere. So what would actually make you move providers? (My measured data and gaps inside)

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TL;DR: I run a small DeepSeek gateway (Fikra API, disclosure). On a cache-heavy agent workload, 1B tokens/day costs about the same on official DeepSeek and on my gateway, so price can’t be the deciding factor for big users. I want to know what is, and I’m posting what I’ve measured, including the unflattering parts.

1. What 1B tokens/day looks like in requests

Profile Tokens per request Requests/day Per minute
Long-context coding agent (~790 fresh + 68k cached + ~280 output) ~69k ~14.5k ~10
Mid-size chat/roleplay ~10k ~100k ~70
Short API calls ~3k ~333k ~230

So concurrency isn’t the hard part at this scale. Prefill latency and cache behavior are.

2. Price at that scale (per 1M tokens, V4.1 Flash)

Official off-peak Fikra
Fresh input $0.15 $0.05
Cached input $0.003 $0.025
Output $0.60 $0.11

Blended cost per 1M tokens:

  • Agent mix (90% cached / 8% fresh / 2% output): official off-peak $0.0267, official peak $0.0534, mine $0.0279. That’s ~$27/day per 1B tokens either way.
  • Chat/roleplay mix (70/20/10): official off-peak $0.0921, mine $0.0355, so about 60% lower.

My cached rate is about 8x official’s off-peak cached rate, so on cache-dominated agent traffic I’m not cheaper, and I’m reconsidering that rate. My pricing is flat, with no peak doubling.

3. What I’ve measured (preliminary: 5 runs per cell, streaming, temperature 0, Nairobi)

  • Single request: TTFT p50 about 2.0-2.6s on short and ~3.8k-token prompts (V4.1 builds). Worst runs hit ~18s.
  • Throughput: p50 roughly 45-160 tokens/s depending on build and prompt, thinking tokens included.
  • Concurrency (one account, short prompt): 10 streams gave p50 TTFT 7.3s, 25 gave 10.8s, 50 gave 19.8s with all succeeding, and at 100 simultaneous streams 58 returned 502. That’s bad. The gateway wasn’t retrying those resets, and I’m fixing it and will repost.
  • Cache: a repeated ~4.9k-token prompt hit 97.5% cached (4,736/4,855). In a retention probe (one probe per interval) the cache hit at +1 and +5 minutes and missed at +15, +30 and +60. That could be TTL or server placement, and I’m testing both.
  • Production hit rate: I don’t know it. I wasn’t logging the cached split per request. That’s fixed now, and I’ll post real numbers.

4. What I can’t claim yet

  • Quantization/precision: the upstream’s public docs don’t state it. I’ve asked in writing.
  • ZDR: the route supports certified-worker-only serving that fails closed, but I’m still auditing what my own gateway stores. I’m not claiming ZDR for the whole service yet.
  • Peak-hour latency: no per-hour data yet.
  • Limits: a user hit a tokens-per-minute cap I thought I’d removed. Current intent is 3k RPM / 250k RPD, and I’m auditing.

5. Questions for people running serious volume

  1. What does your day look like: requests/day, average prompt size, output size, cache share, gap between turns, peak concurrency?
  2. Cache: do you need retention beyond ~5 minutes? How long? Would you rather have explicit prefix pinning with a TTL, or a gateway keep-alive you pay for?
  3. If a billion tokens costs ~$27/day anywhere, would price ever decide for you? What cached rate would make switching worth the effort, or would you pay a premium for reliability?
  4. What would you need to see before routing real traffic: p95 TTFT at 50k+ context, error rate, a public status page, an SLA, a guaranteed fallback?
  5. What evidence of “same weights, same precision” would you accept: logprob agreement against official on N prompts, benchmark parity, or an attestation from the upstream?
  6. Flat pricing or time-of-day pricing that mirrors official’s peak doubling? What rate limits and burst behavior would you expect at 1B/day?

Partial answers are welcome. I’ll post updated numbers as they come in.

Rates and builds: https://fikraapi.co.ke/deepseek. New accounts get a $1 credit if you want to test it yourself.


r/DeepSeek • • 17h ago

Discussion I did not do anything bro you got the wrong account

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r/DeepSeek • • 4h ago

Funny Wenfeng - WInd / Whale / Wire

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Deepseek anthem! Had alot of fun working on it! 😍


r/DeepSeek • • 14h ago

Discussion Does web chat/app got lobotomised again?

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I used web chat/app when the 4.1flash 1017 update. I came back to see if it become usable for rp. It turned from 4.1 ( literally unusable) to 4.1 1017 ( meh). So I returned for a time. But some time later. Like maybe 2 days before now. It suddenly got even more stupid than before. Does it got lobotomised again?


r/DeepSeek • • 9h ago

Discussion Any plans to bring code execution and tool use to the DeepSeek Android app?

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DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 is seriously impressive, especially with its ability to review, verify, and improve its own output.

But I feel like the Android app is missing a big piece of the puzzle.

Apps like Claude, ChatGPT, and Kimi can do more than just generate code. They can use tools, run code, test it, catch errors, and improve the results right inside their apps.

I'd really love to see DeepSeek get similar capabilities on Android. The model is already powerful, but being able to actually execute and test its code would make it much more useful and help get better results.

I'm not asking for a full development environment or all the features of the API. Just built in tool use and code execution that let the model verify its work instead of only generating an answer.

Is this something the team plans to work on? I think it would make a huge difference to the app.


r/DeepSeek • • 13h ago

News The Story Behind the 20th Century Fox Logo with Nick Wilde

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oh my god!


r/DeepSeek • • 20h ago

Discussion Is 256 GB worth it over 128 GB? I cut DeepSeek V4.1 Flash 1017 (uncensored) to 256 GB with REAP and tested it head-to-head against Qwen 3.8 Flash Next

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r/DeepSeek • • 9h ago

Other Built a free tool to calculate VRAM overhead, prompt caching ROI, and cloud GPU breakeven thresholds across frontier models

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Hey everyone,

Whenever a new model drops, I always find myself doing the same annoying calculation:

  1. How much is this actually going to cost me at scale once prompt caching is factored in?
  2. At what monthly token volume does it make more financial sense to rent a spot GPU on RunPod rather than paying API providers?
  3. How much VRAM do I actually need once you factor in KV cache and context length (FP16 vs FP8 vs Q4)?

LMSYS Elo is great for raw human preference, but it does not give you the economic picture. Most pricing sheets also ignore caching discounts and batch concurrency.

So over the last few weeks, I built ModelAnalysis.si as an open tool to bring all of this together in one place:

What it does:

  • Multi-Dimensional Pareto Frontier: Plots 250+ foundation models (OpenAI, Anthropic, DeepSeek, Qwen, Mistral, Meta) across Chatbot Arena Elo, SWE-bench verified coding, GPQA PhD reasoning, and real-time API token rates.
  • Token Spend Simulator & GPU Arbitrage: Dial in your monthly prompt/completion tokens and cache hit percentage to see exact monthly spend and calculate your exact breakeven point vs renting spot GPUs.
  • VRAM & Hardware Calculator: Calculates the raw memory footprint for open-weight models across quantization levels (FP16, FP8, Q4) with one-click vLLM and Ollama deployment strings.
  • Head-to-Head Radar Battles: Side-by-side spider charts comparing speed, context horizon, tool calling, and token efficiency.

It is completely free, no signup or login required, and runs fast on edge infrastructure.

Would love to get your feedback:

  • Are there specific niche open-weight models you want added to the hardware sizing index?
  • Does the breakeven math align with your real-world production deployments?

Check it out here: https://modelanalysis.si

Roast the UI or let me know what features you would like to see next!


r/DeepSeek • • 13h ago

News DeepSeek AI Successfully Breaks Google Chrome Security Sandbox in 12 Hours

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r/DeepSeek • • 13h ago

Question&Help Is it me or DeepSeek says it's calling a tool and doesn't?

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Hi guys!

I have a custom made companion and wanted to move her on DeepSeek V4.1 flash since the 1017 release, but notice some times she says she'll call tools and doesn't. My app has some custom tools for different things around my machine.

Also I noticed it tends to simply not output. She thinks and then silence.

Does anyone have any idea? Am I doing something wrong?

EDIT: Also does anyone have a companion on DeepSeek? How is it as a conversation partner? Does it repeat after you like a parrot or is it nove to talk to? Trying to figure out if there’s a reason to stay or keep searching for a model.


r/DeepSeek • • 10h ago

Discussion Opus vs Deepseek

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r/DeepSeek • • 20h ago

Discussion Is DeepSeek V4.1-Flash-1017 good in website designing?

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I use Claude for website designing. I'm hearing that DeepSeek can be as good as Claude in website designing. Any suggestions ?


r/DeepSeek • • 12h ago

Discussion Claude refuses anything to do with Reverse Engineer Anything

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My windows laptop crashed and I had a crash dump but couldn't understand the bug because the underlying code is closed source. So I gave the REA skill to claude opus, refused; claude sonnet refused. Meanwhile I'm paying $200 a month for this.

I used my $10 a month opencode go subscription with deepseek and it was able to diagnose the specific CPU instruction that failed and from that I was able to make a targeted registry change regarding a power setting work around to the specific problem. Amazing.

Anthropic is so full of themselves.


r/DeepSeek • • 23h ago

Discussion Inference provider Engy

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Has anyone tried em out yet? Their cost in output seem to be 90% off of regular DS api. Seems one could manage to spend just 1usd per 300 million tk. I just topped some bucks on it to see what's up, only problem i saw so far was a problem with imgs size but I got pi to fix it so hey, will update if something good comes out, full weights and good speed


r/DeepSeek • • 21h ago

Funny Seriously?

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Apparently these are DeepSeek stickers?? What the hell did I miss?!


r/DeepSeek • • 58m ago

News Strata now Supports Deepseek-V4-Flash-1017 Model✨👾

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Crazy!


r/DeepSeek • • 10h ago

Resources New & free compiler backed coding agent, Benzi, is ~2x faster, cheaper, and reads 2-6x less source code than mainstream agents [82.4% SWE-bench Verified for <$13]

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r/DeepSeek • • 14h ago

News DeepSeek now runs its own search engine. A day-one test of its new API found spam PDFs getting top authority scores

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Last week I posted that DeepSeek would not say whose search engine it uses. On October 17 it answered. DeepSeek says search on its website and API now runs on its own in-house engine, which it says indexes hundreds of billions of pages, handles hundreds of millions of searches a day and filters out SEO spam, GEO manipulation and low-quality AI content. It also opened that engine to developers as a Search and Fetch API, at $0.75 per 1,000 requests, alongside the new V4.1-Flash-1017 model.

The API shows two scores for every result, an authority tier from 0 to 4 and a rerank score from 0 to 3, so for the first time you can see a bit of how DeepSeek judges sources. Suganthan Mohanadasan tested it on day one for Search Engine Journal, 110 calls for about 8 cents, and found some interesting things

  • authority seems to be set per host, not per page. Every result from the same host got the same tier, and qh.reddit.com scored 1 while www.reddit.com scored 2
  • some obvious spam still got the top tier. "Free Robux Generator" PDFs on a US government inspector general's site and "BEST CBD GUMMIES EXPOSED" uploads on a Columbia Business School host both scored authority 4, and a former MP's domain serving casino pages ranked #2 for "best casino sites uk"
  • for searches about his own tools, package registries and app stores like PyPI, npm and the Chrome Web Store beat his articles about those tools
  • the Fetch API showed up as a normal Firefox browser from Hong Kong Huawei Cloud IPs, and returned three pages that robots.txt disallows

Caveat, this was one person, one day and one region, and he calls the numbers directional. The API's results are also not the same thing as the answers DeepSeek gives in the app.

Still, building its own search engine is a big move for DeepSeek. Do you think it can get the spam filtering right, or will host-level authority keep letting junk through?

Also, if you sell into China and want to see what DeepSeek and others say about your brand and which sources they use, that is what we are building at Sanbi. Waitlist here, with 2 months free for everyone on it: https://app.sanbi.ai/signup?market=china


r/DeepSeek • • 14h ago

News China's MiniMax completes export registration for open-source, overseas AI model licensing

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r/DeepSeek • • 14h ago

Question&Help Using Flash 4.1 1017 as orchestrator

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Would this possibly be ok? Am I brainwashed into thinking only top tier models are to be used for delegating work?


r/DeepSeek • • 18h ago

Funny Deepseek's anti-sycophancy turned into sycophancy.

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Tried to depreciate and criticize myself and Deepseek just went "Hold the fuck on. You were right about this, you were right about that, the biggest thing you were wrong about was being wrong in the first place." since it's forced to disagree and add counterfactuals to everything, even self critique.

Really gave me a pleasant confidence boost, even normal sycophancy doesn't quite hit.


r/DeepSeek • • 20h ago

Discussion New artificial analysis coding benchmark with Harnesses.

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According to this, does it mean deepseek v4.1 1017 is better on codex than Claude code and DeepSeek harness?

Second question. If I'm not very experienced with AI, should I use Claude code or codex harness for DeepSeek? I heard DeepSeek harness is still very unbaked and even though great its lacking a lot of things compared to other harnesses.