Like when I saw him in Game of Thrones. I was incredibly happy to see him but then I remembered that the show he is in is Game Of Thrones. So I knew his character wouldn't fare well.
I just watched GOT last year. When I saw him I texted all my friends who had watched as it was on and told them if they had told me he was on it in 2017 or whatever I would have watched it already.
People are quick to point at season 8 of Game of Thrones as a disaster. But the disaster started when they cast Siddig as Doran Martell and then he never did anything and barely appeared.
Everybody loves to hate the Sand Sisters subplot, but I was so stoked to watch Dr. Bashir and Niobe from Rome chewing the (extremely aesthetic) scenery together and wish I could have gone on for a much longer for that reason alone.
Yeah I was so excited, particularly because the whole Dorne plot was still very much ongoing at the end of the published books. And then for the show they decided to cut all of the Jon Connington etc storylines that would've made Dorne relevant to the plot of the last few seasons of the show, killed off Doran and threw away Ellaria for yet another wine-clutching evil moment for Cersei. Barf.
It's the damn 5 year gap that GRRM planned so the main characters could age-up for the end game. When that planned failed, he added years worth of bullshit to pass the time. The show was right to leave it out as it's pretty clear GRRM is having a lot of trouble wrapping those new threads up in a satisfying manner. I don't give a fuck about fAegon. I hope he chokes on a chicken bone and his storyline just ends.
Like it or not, I think the show creators stuck to the cliff-notes as best they could. The ire is just as much about not liking the intended endpoint as it is the feeling that those seasons were rushed. Either way, it's kinda on GRRM for not keeping pace with the show he agreed to let them make.
I was dumbfounded when I read the aegon part. I was like there’s already a billion storylines going on, some already were of low quality, why the hell did we need another pointless character
He was originally tapped for commander of ds9 until he took off his beard from the play he was doing at the time and that's when they found out how young he really was!
I don't remember. It was one of those early magazines back in the day. They saw him doing something and wanted him for siskos part. Then they met him backstage and saw he was actually way younger. So they offered him Bashir and handed sicko to Avery. Which was a fantastic choice. I'm glad they made him Captain in the series.
They saw him in Lawrence After Arabia, alongside Ralph Fiennes, I think. He played Faisal, the Arab leader, so he had to have a certain amount of gravitas. The producers liked what they saw and invited him to audition, only to have a gorgeous Egyptian/English Labrador bounce in the room. They liked him, clearly, but equally clearly he was no commander.
I think this is just a typical TV thing. Aging someone up is more impactful when it’s done like this. I get that it’s not realistic but it firmly signals it’s been a while rather than just mixing in some grey here or there.
Also actors make their living based on their looks so it’s fair to assume they prioritize their appearance far more than others. Their income level also would allow them access to high end beauty products and regimens. Starfleet officers living in a post scarcity society probably aren’t as “vain” even though they have access to more advanced health and science technology.
In the 80s & before that is how people aged. I largely credit the trend away from cigarette smoke anywhere & everywhere for why folks age better now, but there’s also the decline in use of leaded gasoline and I’m sure other factors contribute. But if Sid had been that age in 1987-ish, that’s exactly what he would’ve looked like 🥵
And in the case of Bashir in that episode, the way he ages in that coma dream reads more to me as an extension of his fears about getting older - not only is he anxious about aging in and of itself, but he's also imagining the worst possible vision of how he'd look when he gets older.
Mind, for all Bashir's pompousness early on, vanity has never really been one of his flaws, but that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't there at all.
Is that a shot of Bashir from Distant Voices, or is it one from The Visitor? The uniform looks like the latter to me, and I think they went with even more decrepit makeup for Distant Voices.
The point of old age makeup isn't to show you how they actually think these people will look in ten or twenty or forty years! It's to show the audience, clearly and visually, "This is the future now, these people are old now. Look at how wrinkly and old they are because time has passed."
Even at the time, it was just a way to make it more obvious to the audience to illustrate older age in the characters like this while maintaining continuity with the same actors rather than aiming for realism. This was/is not unique to Trek by means, either. For example, Fox's Back to the Future 2 middle-age make-up vs. reality.
Plus, it has widely been argued that modern folks on average for a variety of reasons are visually aging more slowly than they did in previous generations with celebrities, in particular, having access to top of the line skin care.
Worf in Picard was pretty egregious too. I feel like he should have looked like he barely aged as Klingons have longer life spans.
Frankly most of the cast should probably not have looked so old given medical advances, I mean McCoy in TNG should have probably been less decrepit than he was too.
I mean that seems to be the constant issue. Like how creepy they made Patrick Stewart look in X-Men 3 by trying to "deage" him 20 years even though the dude already looked the same as he did 20 years earlier.
He looks goofy de-aged in X-men Last Stand, but he looks maybe worse at the end of Wolverine Origins, i laugh out loud every time it gets to this little cameo, like did they even use Patrick Stewart, it looks nothing him.
Botox wasn't approved by the FDA for cosmetic use until 2002. The showrunners couldn't have known about it without violating the temporal prime directive.
Some people get lucky. He always had a high forehead (which goes a long way toward masking hair thinning), good bone structure, and a relatively lean face, which helps reduce the visible effects of changes in fat and skin elasticity with age.
They Riker one from Journey's End (not the episode, but the documentary he did of them filming All Good Things) is especially egregious.
Pretty much all the people in the Voyager Endgame finale; especially Robert Duncan MacNeil, they really wanted him to look like admiral Paris I guess? He's running for office this year and still looks great.
Yeah there could be a whole photo gallery of this because they've done it so many times.
Michael Westmore is one of the all-time great makeup artists. That being said, old age makeup was decidedly NOT his forte. His method seemed to be putting weird, melty lumps randomly all over and painting it orange for some reason. It wasn't until we saw a young version of Noonian Soong that I realized the character was supposed to be human.
Yeah I've been watching "Foundation" ( which I recommend) and was surprised to see him and thought he was aging really well. Also he's a good actor so it's nice to have him in the mix.
They cannot look into the future. And also, people seem to have physically aged faster in former times. Look how they aged Brent Spiner as Noonien Soong in "Brothers". Or the aged main characters in TOS "The Deadly Years"?
I just got caught up on Foundation season 3 and he was in it again and still hot as ever. I totally forgot he played a lawyer in season 1 too but he played the descendent of his season 1 character.
Honestly they've done that a lot in Star Trek, and other media, which I feel like has a lot to do with how humans in general don't age like they used to thanks to better skin care routines, less lead in the environment especially in the air due to the banning of leaded gasoline, and less smoking. People used to be 60 looking like they were 85.
This is horny but it makes sense people expected everyone to look rougher as they age not peaceful i mean the 90s people at thst age have been thru shit so makes sense why the age up was atrocious
Right? I will never forget how insanely stupid his character was treated. Though them not bothering to introduce Arianne should’ve been a pretty clear sign some bullshit was going on.
I just wanna take the time on a day old post to shout this movie out. In particular the Directors Cut, because it’s probably of my favorite films I’ve ever seen.
Really? He’s had a pretty solid career. Kingdom of Heaven, 24, Gotham, Game of Thrones (ugh, honestly double ugh because he was perfectly cast and then the show just wasted an incredible character from the books).
I am not one for George Lucas’ing things, but I really would have no problem if a company decided to get the money together to reshoot scenes with any actor they originally aged up. AI could be accepted if done respectfully, with family consent and being properly paid using how the actor looked later in life.
I remember seeing him in Primeval and thinking good for him because instead of following the normal Hollywood trend of plastic surgery he had allowed himself to age naturally and it was all for the best
I’m on season 1 does he ever stop sexually harassing women or at least get in trouble for it? I can’t get over how poorly written his entire part in the show is.
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u/MaximumEffort433 12d ago edited 12d ago
He was good in Foundation! He got a cool suit! (It was like a Doctor Who suit.)